Natalee Case Discussion #780 11/26/08 - 12/3/08

[wreck]

Steve Cohen;

NO questions about the security guards
NO questions about the press release stating Natalee was dead and one of the suspects had confessed
NO questions about the retraction
NO questions about Jan van der straaten threatening Beth
NO questions as why he says Aruba was confused, not corrupt

Dana, and you spent more time criticizing Greta?

I must have been hearing things because I heard what sounded like commercials on the show.

Frank - I think you're being a bit hard on Dana.  Dana isn't a reporter he's a radio commentator.  I feel as though you are blaming the last 3 1/2 years on Dana   

Dana's forte' is letting the interview'ee have their say without interruption. That said, I think I have to agree with Frank --more hard hitting follow-ups would have been desired.

[texasmom]

Justice for Natalee!!!

[cubbeegirl]

Good night monkeys! Have a very blessed Thanksgiving, and try to remember all that we have to be truly grateful for. Although our life circumstances might not be comparable to Ward and June Cleaver, I am sure we all have many things in our lives that others would so greatly love to have.My thoughts turn to all the families who are missing loved ones at this time of year , and those who are fighting the brave fight just to put one foot in front of the other every day.For every Natalee and Caylee, Clinton , Maddie, and Stacey there are so very many more out there who's stories we will never hear. This,to me, is a very sobering thought. May you and all your loved ones stay safe over this holiday season.Love you all!!!!

[Hotshot]

[texasmom]

Happy Thanksgiving to You too Hotshot!

[texasmom]

Happy Thanksgiving Everyone!

[always 1]

Carpe, are you one of the 8 that are reading here this morning???  If you are, Have a Wonderful Thanksgiving!!!!

[sharon]

Blonde,  didn't OE describe how that happen in the post your brought over this week from BFN? 

Here

Email from Oceanexploration:

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Let's elaborate on this:

-If any company wanted a pipeline built, they would first get approval to construct such a project, which is public information. None exists to my knowledge. Pipeline construction goes on every day around the world and it is not some covert operation. It's like building a bridge.

-If an Aruban or Venezuelan company got approval to build such mystical pipeline, then the owner of said proposed pipeline would have sent out a request for proposals (RFP) for multiple companies to bid on the construction. None exist to my knowledge.

-Let's say said pipeline contract got awarded to a survey company such as J. Silvetti's Marine Surveys. Silvetti's company would proceed with a pipeline route survey, not a grid search! Pipeline route surveys are designed to provide information to pipeline engineers on how to lay the pipe. This requires survey data to be aligned along a proposed route corridor from the start of the pipeline to the end. Also, this requires information about sediment types and shallow subbottom profiling. No sediment sampling or subbottom profiling equipment was on board the Persistence during the Holloway search.

-Pipelines go from point A to point B. As Kermit claims, said mystical pipeline is(?)/will(?) run from Aruba to Venezuela. If true, then the pipeline route survey would also go from Aruba to Venezuela. More specifically, it would go from where the pipeline came to shore on land, which in this case would be near the refinery. The Persistence never went near Venezuelan waters or near the refinery.

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Thanks Blonde. I've been trying to get to the bottom of that as well, AZSunny. Many different posts -- nothing very specific.

'Interesting' post from our friend Caesu from June 2008.



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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #756 6/5 -
« Reply #793 on: June 08, 2008, 01:27:49 PM » 

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Gas from Colombia for the production of electricity and water 

ORANJESTAD – As respond on the increasing oil prices and its negative consequences for our island, the government has decided to import gas from Colombia.  The electricity supply can be altered to use natural gas instead of fuel oil for an estimate of 20 millions.  The production of electricity and water becomes 40 percent cheaper because of this, said Premier Nelson Oduber yesterday.  “Besides, it’s going to be cleaner.”

The premier of Aruba made these comments during a press conference yesterday.  He is just back from a working visit in Colombia.  He took part as listener in the General Meeting of the Organization of American States (OAS) in Colombia.  He met with the Colombian president Alvaro Uribe last Sunday discussed among others the energy policy.  Uribe suggested supplying Aruba with natural gas, just like Colombia does with Puerto Rico, Venezuela, and Panama.  They agreed that the ambassador for the Kingdom will start negotiating today with the Colombian minister of Mining and energy.  A delegation of representatives of WEB and Elmar intends to go to Colombia and work out the further details afterwards.  This is an historic moment, said Oduber.

The premier says that altering the WEB to use natural gas instead of fuel oil must be possible in one year.  WEB will take care of the costs, about 20 millions.  The natural gas will have to be transported by ship in the beginning, but the construction of a pipeline must be considered on the medium- and long run.  This pipeline will have to run via Venezuela to our island.  Oduber thinks that this may take about 3 years.  Apart from using the gas for the production of electricity and water, it can also be used for cars and in the houses.  Oduber does not abandon the thoughts of other alternatives like wind- and sun energy, but these can only supply the island with a limited amount of electricity and water.  Other energy sources like pet-coke and pitch are too expensive, says the premier.  Also the deepwater cooling is no option.  “We do not have deepwater here.”

Aqualectra-director Anton Casperson cannot judge the Aruban situation, but he considers 40 percent cheaper production costs for Curacao not reasonable.  “Gas is indeed a serious option for us; especially from environmental considerations in combination with wind.” 

Aqualectra is not in negotiations with the gas suppliers as yet.  “The investments are high, and you must earn these back.”  Aqualectra is in the process of adjusting the long-term plans as committed in the Plan 2020.


http://www.amigoe.com/english

[Buckeye]

Happy Thanksgiving.

New filings in the Dr. Phil/K2 case:

11/24/2008 Reply/Response (AND OBJECTION TO PLTFS'RESPONSE TO DEFT'S OBJECTION, ETC. )
Filed by Attorney for Defendant/Respondent

11/24/2008 Reply/Response (TO PLTFS' BRIEF RE CAUSE OF ACTION ETC. )
Filed by Attorney for Defendant/Respondent

11/21/2008 Reply/Response (TO PLTF'S MOTIONS TO COMPEL, ETC. )
Filed by Attorney for Defendant/Respondent

http://www.lasuperiorcourt.org/civilCaseSummary/index.asp?CaseType=Civil

Case BC363201

[Blue Moon]

HAPPY THANKSGIVING TO ALL

Have a wonderful day and enjoy the warmth of your family and friends. Pray for those who find this day sad without their loved ones.

Blue Moon of KY

[Tylergal]

STEVE COHEN: 

1.  Always believed that the only person that knew what happened to Natalee was Joran.  That Joran is a sociopath.  That his tale to Greta is almost impossible to check now and because he's a pathological liar you don't know what to believe.

Aruba is hurt by any association at ALL by Joran.  What usually runs course with people like Joran they eventually end up getting caught and put under care or incarcerated.

It makes me want to ask Steve why he was so cozy and protective of Joran on the day he was released from KIA and set free to go to the NL to attend his Cecil Rhodes courses

[Red]

May everyone have a very Happy Thanksgiving ...

Check out the FP for the WKRP Turkey drop and later the SM Turkey greetings ...

[San]

[Rob]

HAPPY THANKSGIVING ALL

[Frijole]

Happy Thanksgiving to all!

Rob I can't go through Thanksgiving without thinking about your infamous Turkey locked in oven story.  A classic.

I am making my 2nd batch of pumpkin bars this a.m. since I did an equally stupid thing last night with the first batch.  LOL

Again, God bless everyone and hugs from Frijole... still standing with the girl.

[Blonde]

I took this picture from my TV.
I thought it was from someone's camera that night at C&C but I'm not sure.
I added the words.
Natalee were still looking, We won't stop.
Blonde

[Dana]

Steve Cohen;

NO questions about the security guards
NO questions about the press release stating Natalee was dead and one of the suspects had confessed
NO questions about the retraction
NO questions about Jan van der straaten threatening Beth
NO questions as why he says Aruba was confused, not corrupt

Dana, and you spent more time criticizing Greta?

I must have been hearing things because I heard what sounded like commercials on the show.

Frank you must have selective hearing, and like I have mentioned for years if you dislike the show so much why do you listen?
As far as hearing commercials you only hear PSA's public service announcements.
Red and I pay the costs for each and every show there are no sponsors.
You used to complain everytime I had Jossy on that I didnt yell and scream at him and get him to admit things that he would never say.

Again feel free not to listen if you choose.

[Magnolia]

Happy Thanksgiving everybody.
I am thankful for you all.


I just saw Kermit in the Macy's parade.

[Tamikosmom]

Dnan ... I personally cannot comprehend the benefit of giving Steve Cohen a platform to further the Aruban agenda of protecting Paulus van der Sloot.

However … I agree with Beth Holloway … allowing that platform to Joran van der Sloot is a very good thing. Every time Joran speaks he implicates himself all the more in the event encompassing the morning of May 30, 2005 as well as his father.

I applaud Greta for keeping the Natalee Holloway case from becoming a distance memory.  I applaud Greta for reminding American that a missing 18 year old American was denied justice by a corrupt Aruban investigation who was H--- bent on protecting their own.

Janet
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Beth Twitty’s response to the Joran/Greta interview (2006) …

On the Record w/ Greta
Transcript: Beth Twitty Responds
Tuesday, March 21, 2006

VAN SUSTEREN: Now, you and I have spent an awful lot of time together, talked together. You know my entire staff. Was it difficult for you that we sat down with him?

TWITTY: Oh, no. No, I mean, I think that any time that we can get Joran speaking, I think that he only incriminates himself every time.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,188645,00.html
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Beth Twitty’s response to the Primetime interview …

NANCY GRACE
Joran Van Der Sloot Speaks Out
Aired February 23, 2006 - 20:00:00 ET

TWITTY: … I`m just glad that he is coming out and speaking on camera because I heard a clip that you — a sound bite earlier, and he does — when he tells one lie, more evolve And it just is mind-boggling how we are all just witnessing this from Joran.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0602/23/ng.01.html

[Tamikosmom]

Steve Cohen postion as media spokesperson for the investigation was to further the coverup that was denying Natalee Holloway justice from the getgo.

Janet

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THE STEVE COHEN STORY    


Steve Cohen
ARUBA TRUTH
December 7, 2005

A coalition of groups announced Friday the appointment of Steve Cohen to act as spokesperson to North American media, in regards to the Natalee Holloway disappearance case.

AHATA and the ATA appointed Cohen to deal with all media relations concerning the case which still commands media coverage in the United States. Mr. Cohen has been part of the Strategic Communications Task Force since its creation in June. He has a full knowledge of the case and is an associate of the Strategic Message Design Group that has served in an advisory capacity to both ATA and AHATA.
The goal of this action is to coordinate the responses of the private and public sectors to North American media.


Steve Cohen
CARIBBEAN VOICE
January 28, 2006

Aruba stays afloat through Natalie Holloway's investigation
By Hazel Heyer

"Anything DNA that is identified to be of Natalee's will allow us to bring a strong case forward against the three boys. We are also getting to finally talk to some of the Alabama teens who left on that plane and did not wait around for interrogation," said Cohen.

Aruba believes it is most important to get a hold of her mental state and most importantly, Natalee's physical state at the time of disappearance. "Two of the boys said they had consensual sex with her. Whether consensual or not, depends on her ability to be conscious and make a choice." said Cohen.


Steve Cohen
ARUBA TRUTH
January 29, 2006

There are concerns about the statements regarding the investigations view of whether or not any of the suspects had consensual sex with Natalee Holloway. It was not my intention to suggest that they had admitted any such actions on the official record.


Steve Cohen
'Rita Cosby Live & Direct'
April 4, 2006

COSBY: You know, Steve, have you heard these claims that, in this video—there’s this surveillance video that we saw in the casino that was showed a while back—that Paulus Van Der Sloot may be in the casino actually even talking to Natalee. And what we just heard from John, it doesn’t sound like that was asked of him before, if he actually even engaged in some conversation with her that night.

COHEN: I have to say that, unfortunately, I have not had a chance to view that tape. I’ve been in transit in the last 24 hours. Once I get a look at it, I think I’ll be able to give you a better comment.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12150698/


Steve Cohen
DR. PHIL SHOW
January 29, 2006

"Dr. Phil asks him, “From your opinion, based on what
you know, do you believe that these boys are guilty of wrongdoing here?” Steve says that he does. “Do the prosecutors believe they are guilty of wrongdoing?” Steve says that they do. “Do you believe that [the boys] have available, intimate knowledge of what happened to her that night?” Again, Steve confirms that he does.

Steve explains, “Forensic materials continue to be collected. I think we’ve got our hands on some forensic material now that may actually open up the doors to the final results of this case.”

http://www.drphil.com/slideshows/slideshow/3041/?id=1&slide=6&null=null


Steve Cohen
DR. PHIL SHOW
January 29, 2005

Steve Cohen, special advisor to Aruba, came on the show hoping for a chance to talk to Beth about where the investigation stands today. Dr. Phil turns to Steve. "So, you're a paid consultant?" he asks.

"That's correct," Steve replies.

"And, who pays you?" Dr. Phil probes.

"I'm actually paid by the tourism industry, which is the Aruban Tourism Authority, and also a group called AHACA, which is an association of hotel owners on the island."

http://www.drphil.com/slideshows/slideshow/3041/?id=3041&slide=4&showID=


John Q. Kelly
DR. PHIL
January 29, 2006

We're not going to sit here and say, 'Mr. Cohen's a nice guy. He told us some nice things. Aruba's a nice country.' No! Their daughter's missing. We don't have answers. The answers are down there. They have the resources, they have the men, they have the answers, they've got the suspects, it's all down there for them to solve this, and they're not doing it. We need that done.

http://www.drphil.com/slideshows/slideshow/3041/?id=?id=&slide=8&null=null


Steve Cohen
'Rita Cosby Live & Direct'
December 29, 2005

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

STEVE COHEN, SPECIAL ADVISER TO ARUBAN GOVERNMENT:  It is expected that he will be re-questioned somewhere in the next 10-day period.  I doubt that they will bring him back for questioning immediately, but it will be in that period.  And also, it is expected the Kalpoes will also be brought in for questioning.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

VELEZ-MITCHELL:  That was last week.  On Saturday, it will be 10 days.  Obviously, they're not going to be able to question all three tomorrow.  So essentially, you broke your promise to us, to the American people.  He wasn't brought in for questioning.

COHEN:  Oh, well—well, Jane, I think you're being overly severe with me and with the Aruban prosecutorial system.  These timelines that you guys continue to create on American cable are hard to...

VELEZ-MITCHELL:  I have to interrupt you.  You created the timeline.  You said on December 21, the day he arrived, he will be interviewed within 10 days, and the Kalpoe brothers will also be brought in.  It's going to be 10 days on Saturday.  They haven't been interrogated.  Joran's now saying they're going to send him some questions to answer, which he will undoubtedly answer with his attorney and with his father, who's a  judge.  I mean, that almost seems like a cruel joke.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10650771/

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