Natalee Case Discussion #780 11/26/08 - 12/3/08

[wreck]

Mum, what do you think about the cage???  I want to know how they made the zip lock bags dry inside!!!

What makes you think they are DRY inside?? The bags are upright (as expected to be when in water).

You should be able to close all but about 1 inch of the bags and squeeze the water out. Also, they could be bags that have a "vacuum" valve on them. The bags are definitely underwater in the pics.

[2NJSons_Mom]

I am not an expert, but looking at the center top of each picture we've seen there is a number 93.6 f, for example, which is probably the depth the ROV took the image....I just checked Blonde's thread 'The Search for Natalee' and especially on page 2, can see dive photos with the same depth stamp.  If so, the cage was not bone dry, and the zip lock bags were in the cage at that depth, imo.

[johan555]

this is what the man at the F-huts  said to tim miller about the Cage

The Cage

The fisherman also noticed that a large fishing cage stored behind the first of the three Fisherman's Huts at the southern-most corner was missing. The cage had been there approximately a month since about Good Friday, March 25, 2005. The cage belonged to another fisherman who kept his boat next to these four huts. The boat was still there. But the cage was missing.

The fisherman described the cage as made of 3/8-inch iron (such as that used in concrete reinforcing—"rebar") with a frame size approximately 5 ½ feet by 4 feet by 17 inches. He described it as a large fishing cage with its frame wrapped in chicken wire with its familiar hexagonal openings but with an opening in one panel which allowed them to trap fish. He believed that, given its size and weight, it would take two men to manage the cage. Once aboard, it would lay low on the floor of the nearby fishing boat.

[always 1]

Mum, what do you think about the cage???  I want to know how they made the zip lock bags dry inside!!!

What makes you think they are DRY inside?? The bags are upright (as expected to be when in water).

You should be able to close all but about 1 inch of the bags and squeeze the water out. Also, they could be bags that have a "vacuum" valve on them. The bags are definitely underwater in the pics.

I don't know, they just look like ordinary zip lock bags to me, and it looks like the cloth should look floaty!!!  But anyway - Boomer Sooner!!!

[always 1]

Sidebar, Wreck.

[Anna]

Good Morning!

Does anyone recall what Julia said about the pond being drained? TIA

Mum, I don't remember much about Julia but think she did say she walked around the pond or something like that.

Ann Angela of the OM's office in Aruba did tell me around June 10 that the pond had not been drained but was seasonally dry and they had had no rain at all in two months so it just dried up.  She furtehr stated that no fire or policemen had ever been used in draining it and that a private search had been conducted which had nothing to do with Natalee Holloway.  I assumed she meant they were looking for Jose Tromp who was also missing around that time.

But she was very adamant that the pond just dried up on its own and was not drained by anybody which I do tend to agree based on the rate of growth of grass--taller around the edges and very short in the center of the drainage pond.  Also she calls it a dam and says is just for collection of water runoff for that area.  Only some 3 ft or so deep even when full.

She said that it just does that--fills when it rains and is dry when it doesn't.  Said nothing unusual about that at all as that is its purpose.

[Anna]

In some ways the fabric in the ziplock bag looks like a cap of some sort.  Either a baseball cap or beret like the Dutch Marines wear and with the round white thingy as an emblem.  I have tried enlarging it but it just become pixilated and can't tell anything.

[always 1]

In some ways the fabric in the ziplock bag looks like a cap of some sort.  Either a baseball cap or beret like the Dutch Marines wear and with the round white thingy as an emblem.  I have tried enlarging it but it just become pixilated and can't tell anything.

Oh yeah, I see that now too.

[MumInOhio]

Good Morning!

Does anyone recall what Julia said about the pond being drained? TIA

Mum, I don't remember much about Julia but think she did say she walked around the pond or something like that.

Ann Angela of the OM's office in Aruba did tell me around June 10 that the pond had not been drained but was seasonally dry and they had had no rain at all in two months so it just dried up.  She furtehr stated that no fire or policemen had ever been used in draining it and that a private search had been conducted which had nothing to do with Natalee Holloway.  I assumed she meant they were looking for Jose Tromp who was also missing around that time.

But she was very adamant that the pond just dried up on its own and was not drained by anybody which I do tend to agree based on the rate of growth of grass--taller around the edges and very short in the center of the drainage pond.  Also she calls it a dam and says is just for collection of water runoff for that area.  Only some 3 ft or so deep even when full.

She said that it just does that--fills when it rains and is dry when it doesn't.  Said nothing unusual about that at all as that is its purpose.

Thanks Anna...I do recall your speaking with Ann Angela now you mention it.

If the pond was dry or almost dry on May 5th. 2008 which is when Caps said it had been drained, then I wonder just how much water was in it on May 30th. 2005

I am still bothered by Kyle's posts with the other pond co-ordinates...after all his job is locating things, and working by co-ordinates! I am going to reread the discussions with Rob, as Rob pointed out that those co-ordinates where of the Marriott pond.

[cajun miracle]

Did any television/newspaper cover the Persistence when it arrived back at New Iberia?  I looked at the local paper that had a prior article but nothing. 

Hi Texasmom, I read the article in our local paper, when they left New Iberia but never saw any news when they returned. The newspaper was from Lafayette, LA. called The Daily Advertiser. Hope that this helps.

Cajun Miracle

[johan555]

nut4x4 or klaas we can i find everything about pauls trip to florida ?

[Magnolia]

Good Morning!

Does anyone recall what Julia said about the pond being drained? TIA

Mum, I don't remember much about Julia but think she did say she walked around the pond or something like that.

Ann Angela of the OM's office in Aruba did tell me around June 10 that the pond had not been drained but was seasonally dry and they had had no rain at all in two months so it just dried up.  She furtehr stated that no fire or policemen had ever been used in draining it and that a private search had been conducted which had nothing to do with Natalee Holloway.  I assumed she meant they were looking for Jose Tromp who was also missing around that time.

But she was very adamant that the pond just dried up on its own and was not drained by anybody which I do tend to agree based on the rate of growth of grass--taller around the edges and very short in the center of the drainage pond.  Also she calls it a dam and says is just for collection of water runoff for that area.  Only some 3 ft or so deep even when full.

She said that it just does that--fills when it rains and is dry when it doesn't.  Said nothing unusual about that at all as that is its purpose.

Thanks Anna...I do recall your speaking with Ann Angela now you mention it.

If the pond was dry or almost dry on May 5th. 2008 which is when Caps said it had been drained, then I wonder just how much water was in it on May 30th. 2005

I am still bothered by Kyle's posts with the other pond co-ordinates...after all his job is locating things, and working by co-ordinates! I am going to reread the discussions with Rob, as Rob pointed out that those co-ordinates where of the Marriott pond.

Julia did say that they had the pond roped off with yellow tape,
but she and Mark Purcell went under the tape and walked all
through the area.  She said that they saw tires, bottles and
shoes.  I wonder why it was roped off with yellow tape.

[Tylergal]

Natalee would probably be at the Iron Bowl.  It would be her senior year.  She would be making plans for the future, medical school or not. 

[MumInOhio]

Good Morning!

Does anyone recall what Julia said about the pond being drained? TIA

Mum, I don't remember much about Julia but think she did say she walked around the pond or something like that.

Ann Angela of the OM's office in Aruba did tell me around June 10 that the pond had not been drained but was seasonally dry and they had had no rain at all in two months so it just dried up.  She furtehr stated that no fire or policemen had ever been used in draining it and that a private search had been conducted which had nothing to do with Natalee Holloway.  I assumed she meant they were looking for Jose Tromp who was also missing around that time.

But she was very adamant that the pond just dried up on its own and was not drained by anybody which I do tend to agree based on the rate of growth of grass--taller around the edges and very short in the center of the drainage pond.  Also she calls it a dam and says is just for collection of water runoff for that area.  Only some 3 ft or so deep even when full.

She said that it just does that--fills when it rains and is dry when it doesn't.  Said nothing unusual about that at all as that is its purpose.

Thanks Anna...I do recall your speaking with Ann Angela now you mention it.

If the pond was dry or almost dry on May 5th. 2008 which is when Caps said it had been drained, then I wonder just how much water was in it on May 30th. 2005

I am still bothered by Kyle's posts with the other pond co-ordinates...after all his job is locating things, and working by co-ordinates! I am going to reread the discussions with Rob, as Rob pointed out that those co-ordinates where of the Marriott pond.

Julia did say that they had the pond roped off with yellow tape,
but she and Mark Purcell went under the tape and walked all
through the area.  She said that they saw tires, bottles and
shoes.  I wonder why it was roped off with yellow tape.

Thanks Magnolia...I wonder if they got the right shoe...LOL

[johan555]

Our dutch Medium 

http://blognetwerk.net/blogs/nieuws/2008/11/26/voorspellingen-over-joran/

[MumInOhio]

Natalee would probably be at the Iron Bowl.  It would be her senior year.  She would be making plans for the future, medical school or not. 

Thanks Tyler for the reminder why we are still here.

[Magnolia]

Our dutch Medium 

http://blognetwerk.net/blogs/nieuws/2008/11/26/voorspellingen-over-joran/
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What does the Dutch Medium say, Johan?
I couldn't understand a word of it. 

[2NJSons_Mom]

My main regret with the broadcast is John Silvetti not getting the credit he was due.  John's the owner of the Persistence, owner of Marine Surveys LLC, and the field project manager of the search. 
Regardless how good of a production it was - Generally speaking, there should never be a broadcast giving details about an active investigation.  When the investigation is complete and no longer potentially sensitive to either the case, victims family, or suspect (s), then sure... why not broadcast it.  It is irresponsible and potentially damaging to do what they did (broadcasting the show while the search is still active) and they broke their agreement with Tim and John to make this production. 

Been reading old posts....was OE referring to Tim Miller or Tim Trahan above?

Johan, I can try to find info on PVDS's trip to FL....no promises.  In fact, by the time I look, someone will post it!   

[johan555]

Our dutch Medium 

http://blognetwerk.net/blogs/nieuws/2008/11/26/voorspellingen-over-joran/
[/quote

What does the Dutch Medium say, Johan?
I couldn't understand a word of it. 

it is not possible to translate that ha ha 

[2NJSons_Mom]

nut4x4 or klaas we can i find everything about pauls trip to florida ?

Johan, I was only able to find, for now, one SM poster's research on Paul's trip to FL. 

PlainView is a corporation registered in Florida to a very prominent real estated developer in Miami.  The registered office is only a couple sweets down from Louis Posner's registered Aruba Aloe of America.   You will not find many details regarding Plainview, Inc. other than the articles of incorporation which I have posted.   On the other hand you will find alot of information about the registered officer Pedro Martin and his co officers! MOISES and Cant recall SAIEH!  whom are known narco traffickers according to the US treasury department.   

In my search I also noted that the Dutch Consulate is located in the same building along with Plainview, Inc. and Aruba Aloe of America.  This seems like a likely setting for the Miami trip(s) by one Paulus Van Der Sloot.   

Here are some links I posted awhile back.  If they don't all work, email me I have much more in terms of the domestic activities of Posner/Plainview and others 

Any chance that Paulus made a visit to one of these offices when he made his little trip to Florida?

Seems pretty likely... Let's just hope he wasn't down the road at 444 Brickell if you know what Im sayin'...  It is rather Ironic however that someone from the VDS home was logged on to one of 444 Brickell Avenues Bang Brothers / Backseatbangers / operated websites.

Can you imagine PVDS' schedule that day...

1:00pm Dutch Consulate 701 Brickell Miami
2:00pm Posner - regarding casino tapes 701 Brickell Miami
3:00pm Bang Brothers 444 Brickell Miami
4:00pm Meet with Freddy and Ernesto
5:00pm throw an egg at Mansur's registered offices in Brickell Ave and Biscayne...
6:00pm happy hour - host prominent Miami nightlife club promoter Ernesto Arambatzis ... http://i7.tinypic.com/21b6wbq.jpg

I could go on but I think you get the picture.   

REVISED

3:00pm Bang Brothers 444 Brickell Miami Re: The video submitted in the 'small' hours of May 30th, 2005 from an Aruba ISP - ultimately traced back to the VDS Residence.

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That should raise more than one eyebrow on Aruba....bet it doesn't.

I wish I could say that was all to the story in Florida...

I will with hold the information regarding the Mansur's out of respect to the family and everyone else.