Natalee Case Discussion #780 11/26/08 - 12/3/08

[vms]

How can Greta not know who the teacher was who accompanied Joran for his original in-depth interview?  She was in the same room with him for an extended period of time.

I understood Greta to say that Steve Schmutz was at that interview with Joran. 

[sharon]

Sharon, I don't know but think it may just be a stock photo of a pond or a pond in Aruba, any random pond just to use for a visual effect?

Dunno but ti doesn't look like the Montserrat dam at all.

Thanks, Anna.

It does not look like any of the ponds that I've seen photos of so far, that's why I asked.

I don't know that I've seen any 'rocks' or 'boulders' in any of the pond pictures before.

The pond in the picture (if it is a pond) appears to be very close to the ocean??
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[Frank]

The hotel story was made up under the assumption that Natalee's body would be found on the island.

The beach story was made up under the assumption that she wouldn't be found.

But Natalee lies between the lies.

The van der sloot home is not part of any lie but is part of all of them, to distract away from the crime scene.

This "window" that they talk about, the van der sloot home is the place where Natalee was somewhere under 10 days, and from the van der sloot perspective it was safe.

When Natalee was finally "assumed" not coming back the guards were released. From "murdered" to "disappeared."

How is it possible that the Aruba Police are NOT responsible for the "evidence." The evidence being Natalee.

It was the mantra "no body, no crime" that has been attributed to Paulus, but no doubt it could have easily come from the Police.

It just is not possible that they had Natalee in the first few days, the Police knew they had a dead body.

[WhiskeyGirl]

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[Keepthefaith]

Still waiting on the other 2 witnesses Hotshot.. .Will these 2 other witnesses come forward,as well as when if you can tell us?????

[WhiskeyGirl]

The hotel story was made up under the assumption that Natalee's body would be found on the island.

The beach story was made up under the assumption that she wouldn't be found.

But Natalee lies between the lies.

The van der sloot home is not part of any lie but is part of all of them, to distract away from the crime scene.

This "window" that they talk about, the van der sloot home is the place where Natalee was somewhere under 10 days, and from the van der sloot perspective it was safe.

When Natalee was finally "assumed" not coming back the guards were released. From "murdered" to "disappeared."

How is it possible that the Aruba Police are NOT responsible for the "evidence." The evidence being Natalee.

It was the mantra "no body, no crime" that has been attributed to Paulus, but no doubt it could have easily come from the Police.

It just is not possible that they had Natalee in the first few days, the Police knew they had a dead body.

Monday, September 19, 2005

Ex-commissioner Stanley Zaandam in his new book KPA-Quo Vadis 2,3
To exculpate the son of Paul vd Sloot, the commissioner and fiscal falsely arrested two ex security guards
Police command nominations named as the reason of the mistake

Bon Dia Aruba
9/19/2005

ORANJESTAD – The police corps committed a blunder in the case of the disappearance of Natalee Holloway. According to ex-commissioner Stanley Zaandam, who dedicates attention to the case here and also in his upcoming publication.

According to Zaandam, the nominations - of among others Commissioners Bernardina, Dompig, Hassel and Richardson, along with 34 high-rank 1st class inspectors - which are against the law and hierarchy of the KPA [police corps], have serious consequences for the quality and integrity of work in KPA.

According to Zaandam, none of the high-ranked commissioners has the qualifications nor experience to conduct a judicial investigation.

Police at the top of political list

According to Zaandam, Commissioner Dompig is under the instruction of Minister Rudy Croes, of MEP.

He also states that 20 other policemen were ranked high on a political list. Five others (…) among them Commissioner Hassell, according to Zaandam.

He also claims this is how Commissioner vd Straten was appointed to this case. However, according to Zaandam, this should not be work for a commissioner.

BLUNDER

Zaandam continues talking about the blunder under which the 3 youngsters were questioned, which should have been a simple case, but one that resulted in KPA’s biggest blunder, due to the deceiptfulness of JvdS, Satish and Deepak Kalpoe, they remained free another 12 days.

FALSE ARREST

Zaandam keeps on saying in his book, two days after 5/29, the body of Natalee H. may have already been found and Cvp [police commissioner] looked the other way to do a favour for Paul vd Sloot (ex of chief staff of Cabinet PG [prosecutor general] J. Zwinkels). To exculpate the son of Paul, the CvP and fiscal chief prosecutor Karen Jansen made the false arrest of two ex-security guards, Jones and John , called this a ‘tactical maneuver’ , and denied them their freedom for another 10 days.

This, continues Zaandam in his book, is the issue here. However, he has much more to tell regarding the case of Natalee Holloway.

[translated by Getagrip]

// posted by Getagrip @ 9/19/2005 12:18:00 PM    

http://getagripmonkey.blogspot.com/2005_09_18_getagripmonkey_archive.html

I wonder who at Bondia interviewed Zaandam?  Maybe someone read the book?

Could the body have been destroyed by the police/government of Aruba in an effort to cover up an autopsy?  If someone had started on an autopsy, perhaps even Monday morning, could they just redump it somewhere and pretend they didn't have it?

Did they perhaps have a body and no identity?  No link to the J2K suspects?  DNA evidence?  

Why ask Beth for DNA?  J2K for DNA?  What if DNA from Natalee Holloway existed in those early days?  DNA from body fluids collected from the body?

Perhaps there was even a document detailing the torture/mutilation/dismemberment?  Maybe all the pieces were not found?

[martini]

bastibro,

Yes, apparently Greta interviewed the wrong teacher the first time.  While I am glad this tragedy is getting coverage, I wish she would not drag it all out so much.    I suspect this time it will be the music teacher from ISA who lived near to Joran.

Music teacher?  Hmmm...

Joran seems to sing off key every time he opens his mouth.  The melody is familiar, and goes something like this , "something bad happened and I didn't do it, that boy behind the curtain number one (two, three)..."

Not sure what it means but based on this Diario cartoon today, the air in Aruba needs cleaning, and something is spewing yellow...

http://www.diario-aruba.com/images/2008/december/1/car.jpg

jmho

Diario cartoon~ Aruba is spraying chemicals to control yellow fever... the chemicals are probably as bad as the disease.

[Hotshot]

Still waiting on the other 2 witnesses Hotshot.. .Will these 2 other witnesses come forward,as well as when if you can tell us?????

Are you doubting me and Caps?  You'll have to wait and see. 

[WhiskeyGirl]

bastibro,

Yes, apparently Greta interviewed the wrong teacher the first time.  While I am glad this tragedy is getting coverage, I wish she would not drag it all out so much.    I suspect this time it will be the music teacher from ISA who lived near to Joran.

Music teacher?  Hmmm...

Joran seems to sing off key every time he opens his mouth.  The melody is familiar, and goes something like this , "something bad happened and I didn't do it, that boy behind the curtain number one (two, three)..."

Not sure what it means but based on this Diario cartoon today, the air in Aruba needs cleaning, and something is spewing yellow...

http://www.diario-aruba.com/images/2008/december/1/car.jpg

jmho

Diario cartoon~ Aruba is spraying chemicals to control yellow fever... the chemicals are probably as bad as the disease.

Thanks.  I thought it was more political.  Is yellow fever cyclical in Aruba?  Or, is this a new threat like West Nile Fever?

Is this something that gets a big government warning for tourists?

[Blonde]

WHERE IS THIS?

[Keepthefaith]

Still waiting on the other 2 witnesses Hotshot.. .Will these 2 other witnesses come forward,as well as when if you can tell us?????

Are you doubting me and Caps?  You'll have to wait and see. 

Don't doubt at all Hotshot.You know more then i!Just waiting for the sweaty man to start running again that's all.

[Hotshot]

WHERE IS THIS?

Blonde, I think this is in or around the golf course near the dunes....

[Pita]

WHERE IS THIS?

Blonde, I think this is in or around the golf course near the dunes....

Hotshot, you might be right.  Here is a site plan of the Tierra del Sol estate area.  There is a pond on the right close to the north shore.



http://www.tierradelsol.com/realestate/photos/masterplan_big.jpg

[Ree]

Still waiting on the other 2 witnesses Hotshot.. .Will these 2 other witnesses come forward,as well as when if you can tell us?????

Are you doubting me and Caps?  You'll have to wait and see. 

Hotshot,

I don't want to miss anything.  Do I have time to shower, paint the outside of my house or read War and Peace?

[texasmom]

Still waiting on the other 2 witnesses Hotshot.. .Will these 2 other witnesses come forward,as well as when if you can tell us?????

Are you doubting me and Caps?  You'll have to wait and see. 

Hotshot,

I don't want to miss anything.  Do I have time to shower, paint the outside of my house or read War and Peace?

[hotping]

Still waiting on the other 2 witnesses Hotshot.. .Will these 2 other witnesses come forward,as well as when if you can tell us?????

Are you doubting me and Caps?  You'll have to wait and see. 

Hotshot,

I don't want to miss anything.  Do I have time to shower, paint the outside of my house or read War and Peace?

Too funny! 

[hotping]

Hotshot and Caps......Just to Clarify.....I for one believe that You and Caps and lots of others are working diligently to bring Us and Natalee's Family answers.....So Please know that I believe in You All and I'm waiting patiently....

[Hotshot]

Hotshot and Caps......Just to Clarify.....I for one believe that You and Caps and lots of others are working diligently to bring Us and Natalee's Family answers.....So Please know that I believe in You All and I'm waiting patiently....

Thank-you hotping.  and Ree, you might be able to read war and peace..

[Lala'sMom]

Did you guys just hear Greta??

[hotping]

Anybody watching Greta........Paulus might be arrested??????