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« Reply #300 on: November 27, 2008, 01:08:09 PM »

No body, no death

It was murder when the security guards were in jail

It was a disappearance when Joran was the suspect.

Tacopina and Cohen say Paulus is a simpleton, knows nothing about it.

I think Greta has opened the door for us to proceed as if Natalee is alive and demand Aruba prove she is dead.

Explain the charges brought against what is it 9 people?
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« Reply #301 on: November 27, 2008, 01:15:11 PM »

I have a question for everyone.

After seeing the latest interview of Joran and how the Aruban police were paid off to look the other way would send your child to Aruba for vacation.

Key words are human trafficking (kidnapping and selling our kids).

WHETHER TRUE OR NOT THIS WILL CATCH PEOPLES EYE.

Hope all my monkey friends are having a wonderful Day of Thanksgiving.

If this was the first thing I had ever heard about the happenings on Aruba I would never step foot on that island.  Especially with my beautiful 24 year old daughter.

No Justice for Natalee

No Tourism for Aruba

No exceptions

I Stand With The Girl

God Bless you all.

Exactly Snoopy.

Happy Thanksgiving to you and your family.
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« Reply #302 on: November 27, 2008, 01:19:09 PM »

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Aruba, being what it is, would not put out a request for bids, but would
arrange some sort of covert business with a company that they could
get something from....
The grid search that they did would certainly be helpful in showing
depths and obstructions and the clearest path for such a project.
What kind of business is Silvetti planning to open in Aruba?  If he isn't
planning on opening a business, why has he been showing up there
so frequently?
Klye 's response creates more questions than it answers and seems
to be an effort to confuse. IMO
Not that anyone wants to hear what i want to say, but here goes.  IMO I would think you'd have to touch shore in Aruba like say by "Valero" and they didn't get permission to go in that area. No-one ever has gotten that permission granted.. You'd also have to go to Venezuela shore to touch where it would connect there, and they didn't go that far either.  So think about that one.  I don't agree with ALE having all the evidence, however the persistance did tape who and what took all the baggies.  

The areas near Venezuela and the refinery had already been "mapped"
It was only the open area of water between Aruba and Venesuela that
had never been mapped or gridded.  I don't think that Valero has any
thing to do with this.
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« Reply #303 on: November 27, 2008, 01:32:08 PM »

No body, no death

It was murder when the security guards were in jail

It was a disappearance when Joran was the suspect.

Tacopina and Cohen say Paulus is a simpleton, knows nothing about it.

I think Greta has opened the door for us to proceed as if Natalee is alive and demand Aruba prove she is dead.

Explain the charges brought against what is it 9 people?

Nope!! It was ten.

 

However ... when you consider that 9 out of 10 of the suspicions brought against the formal suspects states "murder" ... there has to have been a foundation that implies Natalee Holloway was murders. 

Janet

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DETENTION OF FORMAL SUSPECTS

Karin Janssen:


1.  Mickey John - first and second-degree murder and capital kidnapping. 06/2005

2.  Abraham Jones - first and second-degree murder and capital kidnapping. 06/2005

3.  Joran van der Sloot - Suspicion of murder and kidnapping as well as being an accessory to murder 06/2005
 
4. Deepak Kalpoe - Suspicion of murder and kidnapping as well as being an accessory to murder. 06/2005

5. Satish Kalpoe - Suspicion of murder and kidnapping as well as being an accessory to murder. 06/2005

6. Steve Croes - Suspicion of murder and kidnapping as well as being an accessory to murder. 06/2005
 
7. Paulus van der Sloot - complicity to pre-meditated murder, complicity to kidnapping and murder and kidnapping. 06/2005

9. Geoffrey van Cromvoirt - criminal offenses that may be related to the disappearance" of Natalee Holloway. 04/2006

10. Guido Weaver - Assisting in the murder, heavy battery and kidnapping" of the teen. 05/2006


Karin Janssen:

Deepak Kalpoe - Suspected of the primary criminal act of together with other people committing premeditated murder, alternately together with other people murdering somebody, more alternately rob a person of her liberty with fatal consequences and even more alternately, raping somebody and new suspicions. 09/2005

Satish Kalpoe - Suspected of the primary criminal act of together with other people committing premeditated murder, alternately together with other people murdering somebody, more alternately rob a person of her liberty with fatal consequences and even more alternately, raping somebody and new suspicions. 09/2005

Freddy Arambatzis - Suspicion of having unspecified "physical contact" with a female minor. (Unrelated to the Natalee Holloway case.) 09/2005


Hans Mos:

Joran Van der Sloot -suspicion of involvement in voluntary manslaughter and causing serious bodily harm that resulted in the death of Holloway. 11/2007

Deepak Kalpoe - suspicion of involvement in voluntary manslaughter and causing serious bodily harm that resulted in the death of Holloway. 11/2007

Satish Kalpoe - suspicion of involvement in voluntary manslaughter and causing serious bodily harm that resulted in the death of Holloway. 11/2007
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« Reply #304 on: November 27, 2008, 01:33:52 PM »

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Thanks Bleached for the article.

This is why I think Greta's interview was good.  Aruba doesn't need publicity like this now.  I know a lot disagree with what she did and the timing.  I do not feel the reason was for November sweeps.  There is more to this.  JMO.

Greta has said on occasion that is better to treat people nicely.  Joran went back to Greta because she was nice the first time.  This time Greta had Joran squirming in his seat.  To the point where he got up to leave.  She also had a battle with Joe Tacopina.  She went toe to toe with him and that is the real Greta.  There is a time and place for everything and now is the time.

You are very welcome for the article. It didn't take much to make me start once again to think of the possibility that maybe, though with a slim chance, maybe Natalee is alive? I can't help but think of Amy Bradley and her family as we enter into this Holiday season. While I know the cases are vastly different both women are still not with their families where they belong. Their disappearances are both connected loosely by the Carlos n Charlies reference, and were possibly both targeted. What are the chances that Joran didn't tell the truth if he was being interrogated? The chances that he was covering for someone, seem very likely whether it be out of love or fear. I disagree with those that think the interview with Greta was scripted. Did Joran fake the tapes? Probably...but with some element of truth  remaining as all good sociopaths might. Was the conversation one actually had with his father, but in reference to another trafficking deal, after Natalee? Did he recreate from memory a conversation that actually did take place at the time Natalee went missing but Joran did not tape his fathers voice? I don't know. I will say that the steps in the arrangement for trafficking in another human seemed rather familiar ones to Joran when undertaken in Thailand. What 22 year old would know where to begin with such an operation without prior knowledge or thoughts?

Happy Thanksgiving to you San , and to all Monkeys!


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« Reply #305 on: November 27, 2008, 01:35:59 PM »

Frank ... you were right.  There was 9 formal suspects detained in the Natalee Holloway case..

I numbered incorrectly.

Janet
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« Reply #306 on: November 27, 2008, 01:54:15 PM »

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Aruba, being what it is, would not put out a request for bids, but would
arrange some sort of covert business with a company that they could
get something from....
The grid search that they did would certainly be helpful in showing
depths and obstructions and the clearest path for such a project.
What kind of business is Silvetti planning to open in Aruba?  If he isn't
planning on opening a business, why has he been showing up there
so frequently?
Klye 's response creates more questions than it answers and seems
to be an effort to confuse. IMO
Not that anyone wants to hear what i want to say, but here goes.  IMO I would think you'd have to touch shore in Aruba like say by "Valero" and they didn't get permission to go in that area. No-one ever has gotten that permission granted.. You'd also have to go to Venezuela shore to touch where it would connect there, and they didn't go that far either.  So think about that one.  I don't agree with ALE having all the evidence, however the persistance did tape who and what took all the baggies.  

First and formost want to Wish all Monkeys a Wonderful Thanksgiving day!Nice to hear from you Hotshot!Happy thanxgiving to you and your family.Only question!To whom is in possession of the pictures,and or video on the Persistence as well as where is this evidence located at this time???
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« Reply #307 on: November 27, 2008, 01:58:26 PM »

Happy Thanksgiving to everyone!!!
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« Reply #308 on: November 27, 2008, 02:06:05 PM »

Foe me this case has been pretty simple. Well, after the first thirty days or so it was. I've looked at it all. I know who is who, and who did what, when and why. And Natalee is still as dead as she was on 5-30-2005 Sorry, penning more words does not eradicate that terrible injustice. "Roughing Up" the slave angle and making heads spin and claiming that this angle was not investigated is utter bullshit. Jamie Skeeters personally traveled to Isla de Margrita. There were people that traveled everywhere to find Natalee and Natalee never left Aruba or the surrounding waters.

Natalee lost her lost to a criminal gang that roamed Aruba targeting tourists. That gang was covered by the Authorities. That's what happened and that's as simple as it gets.

Joran recants his confession eight hours later. Why? So simple again. Joran is being investigated for REAL AND ACTUAL HUMAN TRAFFICKING NOW - IN THAILAND. An admission of previous trafficking in the suspects own voice in a Thai Court Of Law, should Joran ever face those charges, is gonna make his conviction a foregone conclusion. Even the goon-child realized that. As I said years ago, there should be no future victims for at least 15 years. And everywhere Joran roams someone is victimized. Martin Bakx, Thai Girls, and so on and on. Joran while hiding is still always working on his next victim. That's what he does.

Natalee was not sold. Natalee's truth is right there as plain as the nose on your face. What is not clear is what the authorities did with her body. That's all that remains. The fact that Joran and that criminal cabal have not faced a trial in no way implies there was never enough evidence, just enough corruption is all that proved.

The Aruban Authorities are just as complicit as Paulus, Joran, Deepak and Satish. They all deserve each other and the misery they have collectively created. I wish them many many many more years of hell in paradise.

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Personally I believe every word Kermit typed. I know Kermit does not lie. And if you can not see the problem created by holding onto evidence, pictures, attempting to sell those pictures and God knows what else, than you need transfered to a new forum. That should be as clear as a bell. If it's not, take some time to sit and think about it for a little, and I'm sure it will dawn on you at some point.

As Mrs Red said so long ago ~ everyone has an agenda - what's yours'. No truer words have ever been spoken where this case is concerned. Remember that when the next Caps Lock rolls around, or the next Mr. Miser.

For me, it's solved, who did what and why are all there. Will there ever be justice on the Earthly plane? who knows and who cares - getting Natalee home is all I still care about.

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« Reply #309 on: November 27, 2008, 02:12:20 PM »

Happy Thanksgiving to everyone!!!

Thanx Rob!I for one am in agreeance.Whom do you believe has those pictures??Who has the video of the contents of the cage and to whom took the contents????If you know or care to answer.Again.Thanx Rob and Happy Thanxgiving to youy and your Family...
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« Reply #310 on: November 27, 2008, 02:17:14 PM »

Rob do you think this  a criminal gang is related to the porn & Video  world ?
Rape movies,bangbus etc ?
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« Reply #311 on: November 27, 2008, 02:21:47 PM »

Happy Thanksgiving to everyone!!!

Thanx Rob!I for one am in agreeance.Whom do you believe has those pictures??Who has the video of the contents of the cage and to whom took the contents????If you know or care to answer.Again.Thanx Rob and Happy Thanxgiving to youy and your Family...

Keepthefaith - Happy Thanksgiving to you and your family also. To be honest, I had no clue that there were more photos. None whatsoever. So, I can't answer your questions.

Only Kyle and Kermit know those answers. And maybe only Kyle.

All I know is I was suspicious when PI said "Blue Denim" and Kyle said not on a public forum. Email Me. So, I screen captured it and threw in in Kyle's face a few times and he would not answer. I knew something was up and like wreck believed something related to Natalee was found or indeed Natalee herself.
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« Reply #312 on: November 27, 2008, 02:22:31 PM »

i have a problem with that Cage
this is what the man at the F-huts  said :

The Cage

The fisherman also noticed that a large fishing cage stored behind the first of the three Fisherman's Huts at the southern-most corner was missing. The cage had been there approximately a month since about Good Friday, March 25, 2005. The cage belonged to another fisherman who kept his boat next to these four huts. The boat was still there. But the cage was missing.

The fisherman described the cage as made of 3/8-inch iron (such as that used in concrete reinforcing—"rebar") with a frame size approximately 5 ½ feet by 4 feet by 17 inches. He described it as a large fishing cage with its frame wrapped in chicken wire with its familiar hexagonal openings but with an opening in one panel which allowed them to trap fish. He believed that, given its size and weight, it would take two men to manage the cage. Once aboard, it would lay low on the floor of the nearby fishing boat.

chicken wire with its familiar hexagonal openings > and when we look at the pics  i don't see hexagonal openings! so is this another cage ?
we have a discussion (on Fok)about that at the moment with Duikkie 
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« Reply #313 on: November 27, 2008, 02:23:32 PM »

Rob do you think this  a criminal gang is related to the porn & Video  world ?
Rape movies,bangbus etc ?


Hi Johan - it's all intertwined to some degree. No doubt. Water seeks it's own level.
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« Reply #314 on: November 27, 2008, 02:28:21 PM »

Water seeks it's own level. ! ha ha are you Shango ?
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« Reply #315 on: November 27, 2008, 02:28:29 PM »

Rob do you think this  a criminal gang is related to the porn & Video  world ?
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Hi Johan - it's all intertwined to some degree. No doubt. Water seeks it's own level.
Hi Rob, I have always appreciated your analytical mind, so maybe you can tell me how they kept the water out of those bags under the ocean?
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« Reply #316 on: November 27, 2008, 02:34:39 PM »

Rob do you think this  a criminal gang is related to the porn & Video  world ?
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Hi Johan - it's all intertwined to some degree. No doubt. Water seeks it's own level.
Hi Rob, I have always appreciated your analytical mind, so maybe you can tell me how they kept the water out of those bags under the ocean?

1.  Either there was water in those bags

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2.  The bags were vaccuum sealed because any air inside of them would result in them floating...wouldn't they?
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« Reply #317 on: November 27, 2008, 02:38:16 PM »

Hi Rob,

Wishing you a Happy Thanksgiving.

I'm not sure I've ever heard an official in Aruba asked how all the charges against Natalee could be brought without a body?

Of course we know, but the point is we need to demand they tell us. Joran's death or incarceration is only good to a point and it protects too many guilty people.

I think JQK is correct in taking the angle that she was sold, if only to get answers.
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« Reply #318 on: November 27, 2008, 02:40:22 PM »

[size=12pt]Happy Thanksgiving to everyone!!![/size]

Thanx Rob!I for one am in agreeance.Whom do you believe has those pictures??Who has the video of the contents of the cage and to whom took the contents????If you know or care to answer.Again.Thanx Rob and Happy Thanxgiving to youy and your Family...

Keepthefaith - Happy Thanksgiving to you and your family also. To be honest, I had no clue that there were more photos. None whatsoever. So, I can't answer your questions.

Only Kyle and Kermit know those answers. And maybe only Kyle.

All I know is I was suspicious when PI said "Blue Denim" and Kyle said not on a public forum. Email Me. So, I screen captured it and threw in in Kyle's face a few times and he would not answer. I knew something was up and like wreck believed something related to Natalee was found or indeed Natalee herself.

As i have no reason to conclude what Kermit is saying is anything but the Truth,do to the fact Kyle(OE), is unwillingy from my vantage point to help us Monkey's understand the actions that have been surrounding these pictures,as well as video of the cage and doing so with transparency.In the case that our authorities where givin this evidence in a timely fashion without any ALE,and or Aruban authorities involved i'll be the first to apologize!Do i think that happened NO.Do i pray it did?YES..Again.GREED is a very strong thing especially in the economic times we're encountering.
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« Reply #319 on: November 27, 2008, 02:42:20 PM »

Frank, do you really believe she is alive???  They told us "Something bad happened."  And Joran saw ghoasts in his cell.
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