Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #66

[Brandi]

GOODNIGHT ALL!

Good night Klaas and any other monkeys going out for the night.

[Wyks]

http://www.wftv.com/news/18172334/detail.html

Equusearch Expands In Orlando
Saturday, November 29, 2008

Orlando, Fla. -- The group that attracted thousands of volunteers in the search for Caylee Anthony is now forming a permanent chapter in Orlando.

The Texas-based Equusearch team has suspended its search for the remains of the toddler, but the group is back in Central Florida to find a missing fisherman in Brevard County.

Equusearch moved in after Brevard County officials and the Coast Guard suspended their search for Shawn Waters on November 26. He disappeared from Merritt Island’s Manatee Cove two days earlier.

Team leader Tim Miller scanned through sonar images Saturday night in search of any signs of the father of three.

They did not find Waters, but they believe his body will surface in the next few days.

He said Waters’ family approached the volunteer group. More families with missing loved ones will now be able to approach the group also.

Miller revealed Equusearch could soon become a permanent fixture with the formation of a new chapter in Orlando. It's the organization's first branch outside its home base in Houston.

“Many people want to start branches in different states, but we just seen how everybody came together for Caylee,” Miller said. “We’re just getting organized right now.”

Miller said the new chapter will speed up response times for missing persons in Florida.

“Even when you find a body and you walk up to a family, hug ‘em and say ‘we’re sorry, but we got ‘em located,’ they can have that little bit of closure…go ahead and have that funeral and try to put their lives together,” Miller said.

Local leader Bill Fitzgerald said the Orlando chapter has already attracted more than 250 members who can be called at a moment’s notice in search of missing people. They will have their first official meeting on Tuesday.

    WATERS?????????   

Wonder if Shawn was any relation to William Waters, interviewed by LE here:

http://flawebhosting.net/docs092308/ww092308.pdf

[West Coast Monkey]

Doesn't anybody else think it's more likely that something tragic happened to Casey's boy? Not adoption? Why would her grandmother (Shirley) write to Cindy about how tragic it was, and how she felt as sad about it as she would if it were her own child, if this was an adoption? Yeah, you'd probably be sad not to have that child in your life, but her words seem a bit too dramatic for that, IMO.  Plus.. why would Casey have the sono pic of a child she gave away? Why remind yourself of something like that? It's more likely IMO that this child died.

Assuming there was in fact another child...

I doubt if Casey kept the sonogram of the male child, Cindy did.

And if that's the case, I would think it's more likely she would have kept it if the child had died, and not if it were given up for adoption.

If there was an adoption, I'm sure it was Casey's decision, not Cindy's.  Cindy would have been very upset, but Casey could have cared less, IMO.

I'm sure you're right about that.. she wouldn't have cared less. The point I'm making is this. We supposedly have 2 sonogram pics.. somebody said there was a blue ribbon on one, a pink on the other..  or something to that effect.  This means we're talking about either Lee and Casey, or two of Casey's children.  If one of these children was given away for adoption - and especially if Casey didn't even want the child - there wouldn't be any logical reason to keep this child's sonogram picture out for the world to see.  Not only would it be a reminder to everybody how Casey screwed up and couldn't take care of a kid, but how do you explain that to people who come over and see it?   As well, it's a painful reminder that your daughter (thinking of Cindy here) ripped your grandchild away from you.  We know Cindy was more than willing to take care of Caylee, so why not this other child? Because more than likely, it died prematurely.. miscarriage, still-birth, etc.  Even if Casey didn't think it was all that tragic, I'm sure Cindy would have-  Cindy's mom certainly would have. Perhaps Cindy kept the sono pic out for her own reasons... perhaps Casey felt like she needed to keep it out to make people "happy".  Who knows.

Does anybody know if doctors sign death certificates for a miscarriage? Or still-birth?? (I'd think one would have been if the baby died shortly after birth).  If so, I would think it would be possible to come up with a record of this happening, if in fact it did. 

Maybe Casey miscarried at home and that is why Fire/Rescue was called in February 2004.

Would Fire/Rescue be called for a suicide attempt.  CA, when asked by the FBI about KC's mental health, seemed deceptive in her answer, as I recall...well, more deceptive than usual that is.  I'll have to rewatch when time permits, but was just wondering about others thoughts in that regard.

[Wyks]

Check out all the 'storage containers' in the Anthony garage...     wonder if any are missing...   

(click on the link below, start the slide show, then skip to pics 7 thru 15)

http://www.wftv.com/slideshow/news/17497294/detail.html

[WillenFan21]

I am confused about something that I am hoping someone could clear up for me.

There are THREE key dates in this case which are:

June 16th, 2008 - The day that they think Caylee died.

June 19th, 2008 - The day that they think Caylee's body was taken from the back yard of the Anthony home and placed in to the trunk of her mothers car .

AND

June 24th, 2008 - The day that Casey would not let Geroge any where near her car.

-June 16th to June 24th is a total of 8 days.

My question is this:

If Caylee died on June 16th or June 15th and wasn't placed into her mothers trunk until June 19th, you then have another 3-4 days after that Caylee layed in the turnk for b/c I don't think KC got rid of the body until around June 25th or June 26th. I definetly think Caylee was in the trunk on June 24th and that is why KC wouldn't let GA anywhere near the car so from June 19th until disposal date(which could be up until June 27th) that would be 8 days right there that she'd be in the trunk for. My question and confusion is where does the 2.6 days of decomp that was found in the trunk come in? You figure that from June 16th to June 27th that is 11 days that she'd be decomposing for. Where does the 2.6 days come in?

[Bearlyhere]

http://www.wftv.com/news/18172334/detail.html

Equusearch Expands In Orlando
Saturday, November 29, 2008

Orlando, Fla. -- The group that attracted thousands of volunteers in the search for Caylee Anthony is now forming a permanent chapter in Orlando.

The Texas-based Equusearch team has suspended its search for the remains of the toddler, but the group is back in Central Florida to find a missing fisherman in Brevard County.

Equusearch moved in after Brevard County officials and the Coast Guard suspended their search for Shawn Waters on November 26. He disappeared from Merritt Island’s Manatee Cove two days earlier.

Team leader Tim Miller scanned through sonar images Saturday night in search of any signs of the father of three.

They did not find Waters, but they believe his body will surface in the next few days.

He said Waters’ family approached the volunteer group. More families with missing loved ones will now be able to approach the group also.

Miller revealed Equusearch could soon become a permanent fixture with the formation of a new chapter in Orlando. It's the organization's first branch outside its home base in Houston.

“Many people want to start branches in different states, but we just seen how everybody came together for Caylee,” Miller said. “We’re just getting organized right now.”

Miller said the new chapter will speed up response times for missing persons in Florida.

“Even when you find a body and you walk up to a family, hug ‘em and say ‘we’re sorry, but we got ‘em located,’ they can have that little bit of closure…go ahead and have that funeral and try to put their lives together,” Miller said.

Local leader Bill Fitzgerald said the Orlando chapter has already attracted more than 250 members who can be called at a moment’s notice in search of missing people. They will have their first official meeting on Tuesday.

    WATERS?????????   

Wonder if Shawn was any relation to William Waters, interviewed by LE here:

http://flawebhosting.net/docs092308/ww092308.pdf

Hi Wyks!

I wonder what happened to page 2?   

[Bearlyhere]

I am confused about something that I am hoping someone could clear up for me.

There are THREE key dates in this case which are:

June 16th, 2008 - The day that they think Caylee died.

June 19th, 2008 - The day that they think Caylee's body was taken from the back yard of the Anthony home and placed in to the trunk of her mothers car .

AND

June 24th, 2008 - The day that Casey would not let Geroge any where near her car.

-June 16th to June 24th is a total of 8 days.

My question is this:

If Caylee died on June 16th or June 15th and wasn't placed into her mothers trunk until June 19th, you then have another 3-4 days after that Caylee layed in the turnk for b/c I don't think KC got rid of the body until around June 25th or June 26th. I definetly think Caylee was in the trunk on June 24th and that is why KC wouldn't let GA anywhere near the car so from June 19th until disposal date(which could be up until June 27th) that would be 8 days right there that she'd be in the trunk for. My question and confusion is where does the 2.6 days of decomp that was found in the trunk come in? You figure that from June 16th to June 27th that is 11 days that she'd be decomposing for. Where does the 2.6 days come in?

Hi WF!

Thanks again for letting us all listen to NG in the cage.

I think the 2.6 days had something to do with the Body Farm analysis done on the trunk.  That is my recollection.  Someone else may know something different.

[cubbeegirl]

Is anyone thinking "escort" with Kasey?  I have thought that all along --
Wish someone would come out with the 1200 plus comprimising pics of KC..I think earlier tonight someone metioned LP had them?
I don't want to see the picks just want to listen to CA explain them...it would be interesting I am sure.

Considering her past, this profession is not really reaching IMO. Why not? She does almost every guy she meets, why not get paid for it? She loves being the center of attention and then money to boot?! Bonus!!

But she had no money boo. If she did, what did she do with it?

Shot it up her nose, her arm, and into her stomach?

She was up til all hours of the night even when she wasn't partying, so that's a good possibility. Also she is chatty cathy.

Personally I think had a more serious "addiction" been going on w/Casey ... we would have heard something about it ... She would have been taken to detox or rehab instead of county jail .. To have an addiction to the extent of "shooting up" would require rehab and a detox w/a supliment such as methadone or suboxone as not to have serious withdrawl complications.  IMO

Piping in here , as about 20 police,rescue and fire trucks racing down my neighbors drive with lights flashing woke us up, thankfully ,it was a small housefire and no one was hurt.
I also have to admit to having relatives and friends relatives who have had serious drug problems who ended up in jail.They do not take you to a hospital to detox , and they certainly are not kind enough to give you something for withdrawal.The majority of those people in the jail are having withdrawals and they are made to just tough it out.They will, however keep an eye on your blood pressure as that is the most dangerous part of it.The rule of thinking these days is that cold turkey is the best way to detox....why replace one habit with another?
Unfortunately, I have dealt with this problem many times over the past years with people in my family...no , not me.......they dont really baby them in jail and many ,many people in rehabs have done their detox in a jail cell...most detox facilities make you go cold turkey also.

[invision]

Is anyone thinking "escort" with Kasey?  I have thought that all along --
Wish someone would come out with the 1200 plus comprimising pics of KC..I think earlier tonight someone metioned LP had them?
I don't want to see the picks just want to listen to CA explain them...it would be interesting I am sure.

Considering her past, this profession is not really reaching IMO. Why not? She does almost every guy she meets, why not get paid for it? She loves being the center of attention and then money to boot?! Bonus!!

But she had no money boo. If she did, what did she do with it?

Shot it up her nose, her arm, and into her stomach?

She was up til all hours of the night even when she wasn't partying, so that's a good possibility. Also she is chatty cathy.

Personally I think had a more serious "addiction" been going on w/Casey ... we would have heard something about it ... She would have been taken to detox or rehab instead of county jail .. To have an addiction to the extent of "shooting up" would require rehab and a detox w/a supliment such as methadone or suboxone as not to have serious withdrawl complications.  IMO

Piping in here , as about 20 police,rescue and fire trucks racing down my neighbors drive with lights flashing woke us up, thankfully ,it was a small housefire and no one was hurt.
I also have to admit to having relatives and friends relatives who have had serious drug problems who ended up in jail.They do not take you to a hospital to detox , and they certainly are not kind enough to give you something for withdrawal.The majority of those people in the jail are having withdrawals and they are made to just tough it out.They will, however keep an eye on your blood pressure as that is the most dangerous part of it.The rule of thinking these days is that cold turkey is the best way to detox....why replace one habit with another?
Unfortunately, I have dealt with this problem many times over the past years with people in my family...no , not me.......they dont really baby them in jail and many ,many people in rehabs have done their detox in a jail cell...most detox facilities make you go cold turkey also.

Hey Cubbee ... I hope all is well at the neighbors ....

I do have experience with young adults w/addictions .. as a former worker for Children and Youth, also worked for Office of Mental Health and Substance Abuse .. While most drugs can be withdrawn from w/only "side effects" ... yucky ones at that ... I can attest to the fact that withdraw from some drugs are indeed fatal if not weened off the drug under medical care ... such as opiates ... oxycodone, etc.  Health care professionals in particular suggests the drug suboxone to ween an individual from this particular drug.  Cold turkey is just not a way to go to get off of an opiate based drug ...

Opiate Detox and Addiction
Opiate addiction is recognized as a central nervous system disorder, caused by continuous opiate intake.1 Extended opiate use leads to the nerve cells in the brain to stop functioning as they normally would and stop producing natural endorphins. Because the body is getting opiates and no longer is producing endorphins the nerve cells start to degenerate and cause a physical dependency on opiates. Sudden withdrawal (quitting cold turkey) leads to a syndrome called withdrawal syndrome. Withdrawal syndrome is a long and painful process and can result in permanent damage to the cardiopulmonary system and the central nervous system. Untreated and unmonitored, it can result in death for unhealthy patients. For these reasons, opiate dependency treatment requires appropriate and responsible medical care.2 These symptoms have led to the growth of ultra-rapid, anesthesia-assisted opioid withdrawal procedures. Proponents state that rapid detox as a painless way to withdraw from opioid. However, studies show that the procedure can lead to risk of death, psychosis, increased stress, delirium, attempted suicide, abnormal heart rhythm and acute renal failure and are very expensive.3

I am pretty sure if Casey had a "habit" to where she was previously snorting a drug up her nose, or shooting it in her arm, we would have heard something about it by now.  But then again, I could be wrong. 

[Bearlyhere]

Is anyone thinking "escort" with Kasey?  I have thought that all along --
Wish someone would come out with the 1200 plus comprimising pics of KC..I think earlier tonight someone metioned LP had them?
I don't want to see the picks just want to listen to CA explain them...it would be interesting I am sure.

Considering her past, this profession is not really reaching IMO. Why not? She does almost every guy she meets, why not get paid for it? She loves being the center of attention and then money to boot?! Bonus!!

But she had no money boo. If she did, what did she do with it?

Shot it up her nose, her arm, and into her stomach?

She was up til all hours of the night even when she wasn't partying, so that's a good possibility. Also she is chatty cathy.

Personally I think had a more serious "addiction" been going on w/Casey ... we would have heard something about it ... She would have been taken to detox or rehab instead of county jail .. To have an addiction to the extent of "shooting up" would require rehab and a detox w/a supliment such as methadone or suboxone as not to have serious withdrawl complications.  IMO

Piping in here , as about 20 police,rescue and fire trucks racing down my neighbors drive with lights flashing woke us up, thankfully ,it was a small housefire and no one was hurt.
I also have to admit to having relatives and friends relatives who have had serious drug problems who ended up in jail.They do not take you to a hospital to detox , and they certainly are not kind enough to give you something for withdrawal.The majority of those people in the jail are having withdrawals and they are made to just tough it out.They will, however keep an eye on your blood pressure as that is the most dangerous part of it.The rule of thinking these days is that cold turkey is the best way to detox....why replace one habit with another?
Unfortunately, I have dealt with this problem many times over the past years with people in my family...no , not me.......they dont really baby them in jail and many ,many people in rehabs have done their detox in a jail cell...most detox facilities make you go cold turkey also.

Hi Cubbee!!!   

I am sorry you had to go through that.  Do you think this is what happened to Casey?

[Bearlyhere]

Is anyone thinking "escort" with Kasey?  I have thought that all along --
Wish someone would come out with the 1200 plus comprimising pics of KC..I think earlier tonight someone metioned LP had them?
I don't want to see the picks just want to listen to CA explain them...it would be interesting I am sure.

Considering her past, this profession is not really reaching IMO. Why not? She does almost every guy she meets, why not get paid for it? She loves being the center of attention and then money to boot?! Bonus!!

But she had no money boo. If she did, what did she do with it?

Shot it up her nose, her arm, and into her stomach?

She was up til all hours of the night even when she wasn't partying, so that's a good possibility. Also she is chatty cathy.

Personally I think had a more serious "addiction" been going on w/Casey ... we would have heard something about it ... She would have been taken to detox or rehab instead of county jail .. To have an addiction to the extent of "shooting up" would require rehab and a detox w/a supliment such as methadone or suboxone as not to have serious withdrawl complications.  IMO

Piping in here , as about 20 police,rescue and fire trucks racing down my neighbors drive with lights flashing woke us up, thankfully ,it was a small housefire and no one was hurt.
I also have to admit to having relatives and friends relatives who have had serious drug problems who ended up in jail.They do not take you to a hospital to detox , and they certainly are not kind enough to give you something for withdrawal.The majority of those people in the jail are having withdrawals and they are made to just tough it out.They will, however keep an eye on your blood pressure as that is the most dangerous part of it.The rule of thinking these days is that cold turkey is the best way to detox....why replace one habit with another?
Unfortunately, I have dealt with this problem many times over the past years with people in my family...no , not me.......they dont really baby them in jail and many ,many people in rehabs have done their detox in a jail cell...most detox facilities make you go cold turkey also.

Hey Cubbee ... I hope all is well at the neighbors ....

I do have experience with young adults w/addictions .. as a former worker for Children and Youth, also worked for Office of Mental Health and Substance Abuse .. While most drugs can be withdrawn from w/only "side effects" ... yucky ones at that ... I can attest to the fact that withdraw from some drugs are indeed fatal if not weened off the drug under medical care ... such as opiates ... oxycodone, etc.  Health care professionals in particular suggests the drug suboxone to ween an individual from this particular drug.  Cold turkey is just not a way to go to get off of an opiate based drug ...

Opiate Detox and Addiction
Opiate addiction is recognized as a central nervous system disorder, caused by continuous opiate intake.1 Extended opiate use leads to the nerve cells in the brain to stop functioning as they normally would and stop producing natural endorphins. Because the body is getting opiates and no longer is producing endorphins the nerve cells start to degenerate and cause a physical dependency on opiates. Sudden withdrawal (quitting cold turkey) leads to a syndrome called withdrawal syndrome. Withdrawal syndrome is a long and painful process and can result in permanent damage to the cardiopulmonary system and the central nervous system. Untreated and unmonitored, it can result in death for unhealthy patients. For these reasons, opiate dependency treatment requires appropriate and responsible medical care.2 These symptoms have led to the growth of ultra-rapid, anesthesia-assisted opioid withdrawal procedures. Proponents state that rapid detox as a painless way to withdraw from opioid. However, studies show that the procedure can lead to risk of death, psychosis, increased stress, delirium, attempted suicide, abnormal heart rhythm and acute renal failure and are very expensive.3

I am pretty sure if Casey had a "habit" to where she was previously snorting a drug up her nose, or shooting it in her arm, we would have heard something about it by now.  But then again, I could be wrong. 

That's what I think, invision.

Your angel has sparkles now and is all ready for the season.  She is adorable, as I have already told you.

[invision]

Why thank you Miss Bearly ... and you are looking quite festive yourself! 

[cubbeegirl]

Is anyone thinking "escort" with Kasey?  I have thought that all along --
Wish someone would come out with the 1200 plus comprimising pics of KC..I think earlier tonight someone metioned LP had them?
I don't want to see the picks just want to listen to CA explain them...it would be interesting I am sure.

Considering her past, this profession is not really reaching IMO. Why not? She does almost every guy she meets, why not get paid for it? She loves being the center of attention and then money to boot?! Bonus!!

But she had no money boo. If she did, what did she do with it?

Shot it up her nose, her arm, and into her stomach?

She was up til all hours of the night even when she wasn't partying, so that's a good possibility. Also she is chatty cathy.

Personally I think had a more serious "addiction" been going on w/Casey ... we would have heard something about it ... She would have been taken to detox or rehab instead of county jail .. To have an addiction to the extent of "shooting up" would require rehab and a detox w/a supliment such as methadone or suboxone as not to have serious withdrawl complications.  IMO

Piping in here , as about 20 police,rescue and fire trucks racing down my neighbors drive with lights flashing woke us up, thankfully ,it was a small housefire and no one was hurt.
I also have to admit to having relatives and friends relatives who have had serious drug problems who ended up in jail.They do not take you to a hospital to detox , and they certainly are not kind enough to give you something for withdrawal.The majority of those people in the jail are having withdrawals and they are made to just tough it out.They will, however keep an eye on your blood pressure as that is the most dangerous part of it.The rule of thinking these days is that cold turkey is the best way to detox....why replace one habit with another?
Unfortunately, I have dealt with this problem many times over the past years with people in my family...no , not me.......they dont really baby them in jail and many ,many people in rehabs have done their detox in a jail cell...most detox facilities make you go cold turkey also.

Hey Cubbee ... I hope all is well at the neighbors ....

I do have experience with young adults w/addictions .. as a former worker for Children and Youth, also worked for Office of Mental Health and Substance Abuse .. While most drugs can be withdrawn from w/only "side effects" ... yucky ones at that ... I can attest to the fact that withdraw from some drugs are indeed fatal if not weened off the drug under medical care ... such as opiates ... oxycodone, etc.  Health care professionals in particular suggests the drug suboxone to ween an individual from this particular drug.  Cold turkey is just not a way to go to get off of an opiate based drug ...

Opiate Detox and Addiction
Opiate addiction is recognized as a central nervous system disorder, caused by continuous opiate intake.1 Extended opiate use leads to the nerve cells in the brain to stop functioning as they normally would and stop producing natural endorphins. Because the body is getting opiates and no longer is producing endorphins the nerve cells start to degenerate and cause a physical dependency on opiates. Sudden withdrawal (quitting cold turkey) leads to a syndrome called withdrawal syndrome. Withdrawal syndrome is a long and painful process and can result in permanent damage to the cardiopulmonary system and the central nervous system. Untreated and unmonitored, it can result in death for unhealthy patients. For these reasons, opiate dependency treatment requires appropriate and responsible medical care.2 These symptoms have led to the growth of ultra-rapid, anesthesia-assisted opioid withdrawal procedures. Proponents state that rapid detox as a painless way to withdraw from opioid. However, studies show that the procedure can lead to risk of death, psychosis, increased stress, delirium, attempted suicide, abnormal heart rhythm and acute renal failure and are very expensive.3

I am pretty sure if Casey had a "habit" to where she was previously snorting a drug up her nose, or shooting it in her arm, we would have heard something about it by now.  But then again, I could be wrong. 

Invision, I dont think she had a 'shooting up" habit, but I DO know that many people withdraw from opiates in jail, at home, or in detox without the use of any other drug. I am not in any professional capacity with this, but have had years of nasty experience with it.
It is advised to seek medical help, but have someone in my family who detoxed off of a 24 lortab a day for a couple of years sitting in a jail cell, followed by several rehab stints and everytime we went there, heard horror stories of people detoxing in jail...
I dont think the people in those jails are too sympathetic to this and just kinda turn a blind eye to it...
If it gets too bad they will send them off to detox for a couple of days...

[cubbeegirl]

Is anyone thinking "escort" with Kasey?  I have thought that all along --
Wish someone would come out with the 1200 plus comprimising pics of KC..I think earlier tonight someone metioned LP had them?
I don't want to see the picks just want to listen to CA explain them...it would be interesting I am sure.

Considering her past, this profession is not really reaching IMO. Why not? She does almost every guy she meets, why not get paid for it? She loves being the center of attention and then money to boot?! Bonus!!

But she had no money boo. If she did, what did she do with it?

Shot it up her nose, her arm, and into her stomach?

She was up til all hours of the night even when she wasn't partying, so that's a good possibility. Also she is chatty cathy.

Personally I think had a more serious "addiction" been going on w/Casey ... we would have heard something about it ... She would have been taken to detox or rehab instead of county jail .. To have an addiction to the extent of "shooting up" would require rehab and a detox w/a supliment such as methadone or suboxone as not to have serious withdrawl complications.  IMO

Piping in here , as about 20 police,rescue and fire trucks racing down my neighbors drive with lights flashing woke us up, thankfully ,it was a small housefire and no one was hurt.
I also have to admit to having relatives and friends relatives who have had serious drug problems who ended up in jail.They do not take you to a hospital to detox , and they certainly are not kind enough to give you something for withdrawal.The majority of those people in the jail are having withdrawals and they are made to just tough it out.They will, however keep an eye on your blood pressure as that is the most dangerous part of it.The rule of thinking these days is that cold turkey is the best way to detox....why replace one habit with another?
Unfortunately, I have dealt with this problem many times over the past years with people in my family...no , not me.......they dont really baby them in jail and many ,many people in rehabs have done their detox in a jail cell...most detox facilities make you go cold turkey also.

Hi Cubbee!!!   

I am sorry you had to go through that.  Do you think this is what happened to Casey?

Bearly, I dont know if this is what happened to Casey, what I do know is that by having it hit so close to home for me, I have learned alot that I never wanted to know...
I have also met alot of others in the same position as my family member , and the majority of them did their detox sitting in a jail cell.My family member has been through jail detox, detox through an out-patient program and 2 detoxes through an in patient program, all without the help of any drugs to alleviate the symptoms...
I know, you would think this person would learn , huh???

[cubbeegirl]

BTW.... I am told that the withdrawals from opiates is like a VERY bad case of the flu for a couple of days and then the rest is mental...

[invision]

BTW.... I am told that the withdrawals from opiates is like a VERY bad case of the flu for a couple of days and then the rest is mental...

I KNOW FOR A FACT that withdrawl from opiates is NOT MENTAL ... and that is all I am going to say about that ... I am sure there are plenty of health care professionals, psychiatrists and medical doctors will disagree with you also ... I know some personally!  Have you sat in meetings with them?  I have ... You need a psychiatrists recommendation along with a medicals doctors prescription to obtain withdrawl meds ... at least in the state of PA .. If it was all mental .. why would you need these?

I will not debate this subject any longer ... We can agree to disagree and I am ok with that.

[cubbeegirl]

Bearly, I have a customer who is majorly addicted to opiates, he was in a terrible accident years ago, is on disability and it is very sad for me to see pictures of him before he got into this mess.
My point is that he will be fine until his script runs out, which it always does a week or two early and he always cancels on me and is sick in his bed for a couple of days, he will then call me and reschedule and actually tell me what the problem was. I asked him, why do you keep doing this to yourself? He responed that the pain is so unbearable for him to be up and walking that he overdoes it on his meds and runs out early. He told me that his withdrawals are like a very bad flu and when that is over in a couple of days, he still feels badly, but can get out of bed and start the cycle all over again when it is time to refill his meds. It makes me sad that someone who once had so much going for him has reduced his life to this vicious cycle...His drug of choice is lortab, oxycontin and methadone.
I dont think that if Casey had a drug habit, it was as heavy as usage as this person I know and I DO think she could have went through her withdrawals sitting in a jail cell. I also think she could have had a drug abuse problem, but it not be so severe as to make her go through withdrawals... but, I guess I will never know the answer to this..JMO
This is a true story!

[cubbeegirl]

BTW.... I am told that the withdrawals from opiates is like a VERY bad case of the flu for a couple of days and then the rest is mental...

I KNOW FOR A FACT that withdrawl from opiates is NOT MENTAL ... and that is all I am going to say about that ... I am sure there are plenty of health care professionals, psychiatrists and medical doctors will disagree with you also ... I know some personally!  Have you sat in meetings with them?  I have ... You need a psychiatrists recommendation along with a medicals doctors prescription to obtain withdrawl meds ... at least in the state of PA .. If it was all mental .. why would you need these?

I will not debate this subject any longer ... We can agree to disagree and I am ok with that.

I did not say it was all mental..... I said the physical withdrawl only lasts for a few days, at least the worse of it and then the mental part kicks in....ASK MY EX... I HAVE LIVED IT!

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BTW.... I am told that the withdrawals from opiates is like a VERY bad case of the flu for a couple of days and then the rest is mental...

I KNOW FOR A FACT that withdrawl from opiates is NOT MENTAL ... and that is all I am going to say about that ... I am sure there are plenty of health care professionals, psychiatrists and medical doctors will disagree with you also ... I know some personally!  Have you sat in meetings with them?  I have ... You need a psychiatrists recommendation along with a medicals doctors prescription to obtain withdrawl meds ... at least in the state of PA .. If it was all mental .. why would you need these?

I will not debate this subject any longer ... We can agree to disagree and I am ok with that.

I did not say it was all mental..... I said the physical withdrawl only lasts for a few days, at least the worse of it and then the mental part kicks in....ASK MY EX... I HAVE LIVED IT!

AND, yes, I have sat in many of meetings with drug counselors ..... one on one and in group...

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All this drug talk started when a poster said Casey was probably putting (her money) up her nose or shooting it up in her arm or her stomach .. my point was that if she had a habit to the point of "snorting" or "shooting up" she would most likely need help in some form to stop ... most people don't just stop shooting up cold turkey ... some can, yes. 

I think we would have heard from her friends or LE would have leaked "something" to the fact that Casey was that heavily into drugs had that been the case ...