Natalee Case Discussion #781 12/3/08 - 12/5/08

[Magnolia]

I am guessing that the lawyer must be on the prosecution side
or he wouldn't be on the call roll.

Kermit has been saying for a long time that we should
stay focused and not be diverted by the witness.

Why would anyone want to divert attention away from
the trap and the "human remains" found there?
One of those diverting is Caps, one is John Silvetti and one
is Clyde Burke, of ALE.

These are just a couple I found for criminal law....not sure about working for prosecution...as you will note.

Croes Wever Tchong Oranjestad, Aruba
Arulex Building
Punta Brabo
Phone: 297 5822138


David Kock & Wix Oranjestad, Aruba
Emanstraat 58
Phone: +297-5823505

http://www.hg.org/law-firms/Criminal-Law/Aruba/Oranjestad.html

Still not sure Kermit confirmed W = Witness

The first one was my guess.

[crazybabyborg]

I do take real pleasure in Joran being so well monitored, as the Greta poster exhibits. I remember Beth saying that his Hell is just beginning after she saw the DeVries video, and she was right. He's not in jail, or on death row where he should be, but his life really has changed because of what he did to Natalee.

As controlling as Urine is, life is harder under the current circumstances than it would be for most. It's not justice, but at one point I really thought it possible that his Dad, Aruban LE, and others were going to win out. Regardless of whatever else, that has not happened. The toll for Aruba isn't over either. Not by a long shot!

I think that we Monkeys have a little something to do with that, and it's not over til we say it's over!

[Helen Back]

Hi monkeys,

Hi Dana,

It looks like we've had a lot of debate about Joe T. as a prospective guest on Dana's show.  I'm a BIG Dana fan, and tune in whenever I can. 

However, when I disagree, I will say so.  I've been known to slam Greta when she was "inclined" to believe Joran, and when she was uninformed.  That's what we do here isn't it? Say what we think and feel about issues?

I used to listen to Joe T. in the beginning, for about a minute.  At warp speed it was clear that he repeats the same nonsensical mantra, "Look, there's no evidence".  When challenged, he shouts his mantra louder and louder until he becomes shrill.  I haven't seen anything different from him over the years.  No matter what show he is on, when he begins with same tired BS, I MUTE JOE.  I've heard it all before.  YAWN.  He's just ridiculous.

Don't even get me started on the famed forensic scientist he dragged out for his trip to Aruba.  What a joke that was.  Joe's a MOB LAWYER with no credibility.  But it's your show and you can have whoever you want  as a guest.  As well,  I can decide that your guest is not worthy or deserving of my time and attention. 

Whenever I have conversation with mobsters and criminals, they hardly ever tell me the truth, so......

When you announce your guests, and if I can tune in to your show, I probably will.  The second Joe T. starts with the same old song, I will do what I always do............MUTE.......I will skip it.
 

[Magnolia]

Do ya'll reckon that Schaefer and Silvetti might be doing
a little offshore banking to hide some funds from that
SEC investigation?  That is a specialty of Croes and Tchong.

[WhiskeyGirl]

From Dana:

I havent confirmed he will be a guest yet, i decide what questions get asked and i try and stay on topic.
I dont want to be cryptic but if he is a guest the topic may not be about Joran only and I will say there are several lawyers planned for that night, and I will bet none of them will be popular. But it will be a interesting show I guarantee.

Most Monkeys are supportive, many are not and that is their right.
I will say I have received at least 100 emails today about this topic and many of them are actually quite sick.
Remember Red and Dugga will announce the show topic soon and who the guests will be.
It is your choice if you listen or not.

**************************

Dana - I think that you should bring these despicable people to your show.  Every time that they are interviewed, they somehow say something really stupid or they reveal some level of information.  Just last week, Taco Joe stated the Urine has a personality disorder and Paulass is a simpleton.  These statements have to be causing some level of discord among the enemy.  Divide and conquer!  I'd love to see them all at each other's throats.

I think Joe T. would make an interesting guest.  Almost sad that there is no video...I think of the early appearances...

PVDS was revealed in PVs by JVDS to have a memory problem or something like "he wouldn't remember what cloths he wore the day before...that's why our statements won't match."  IIRC, Carpe or someone made a youtube "I don't remember" to memorialize this information.

Many echos of "the VDS were never in the spot light" and "they aren't used to the press" from early in the case. 

IIRC, PVDS had a lawsuit in Holland regarding the family estate and a dangerous road, that went on for maybe 20 years?  I imagine there was some publicity.  How can a case go on for 20 years like that?  In his various jobs over the year, I would be surprised if he didn't have some interaction with the media, criminals, lawyers, etc.   How many 'simpletons' are part of the Dutch judiciary?  Prosecutors office?  Lawyers guild? 

Perhaps the simpleton statement was an effort to defend PVDS?  Keep him out of the target zone?  Make him look like he's been duped?   Perhaps Joe T. represents PVDS as well? 

I'd want to know if there is an international case brewing.  Maybe with the Dutch lawyer Beth was consulting?  Can't remember his name right now.  Is there new evidence to support these efforts?  International tribunal for JVDS, PVDS, Aruba, and the Netherlands?  NFI?

Could PVDS have some concerns?  Is PVDS eligible to argue at an international venue?  Not sure, but I expect to find out the nitty gritty in the future.

From the VF article -

Moreover, Dompig says, this summer F.B.I. profilers completed a detailed psychological evaluation. "He struck us, and the F.B.I., as a guy who can make you believe he's God's gift to mothers-in-law," Dompig says. "But if you look at his actions, he's anything but. The F.B.I. profiled him as a person who never has been corrected by his parents. He's the boss of what happens in that house. He's the boss in the family. He is allowed to do anything.… If a person like that is in a position where a person says, 'No,' well, that person may change completely. Maybe he blew a fuse when she wouldn't have sex with him, and something happened."

Jan VDS statements and offer of an institution in Holland instead of prison in Aruba...What did he know?  What evidence was there when he made that offer?

I wonder who else will be interviewed?  Which cases?  If I can stay awake that long, Dana's show has lots of surprises.  Always learn something new.

[WhiskeyGirl]

Do ya'll reckon that Schaefer and Silvetti might be doing
a little offshore banking to hide some funds from that
SEC investigation?  That is a specialty of Croes and Tchong.

I guess anything is possible...

However, I believe that there would be a paper trail.  Reference AmSouth from early in the investigation.  Aren't banks required to keep some record of transactions?  Keep tabs on customer activity?  Note suspicious actions and report them?

Contrast this with banks in Aruba.  Do they have the same standards?  Concern for preventing money laundering?  IIRC, they are a global area of concern.

Could someone track their passport activity?  Would they do something in Aruba?  Maybe they asked the American bank for uncirculated money?  Or a check or something?

Do you have information that shows how this offshore banking is accomplished?  I've always wondered how people manage to do this and succeed at hiding assets.

[crazybabyborg]

JMHO

Until this case is satisfactorily closed, I say talk to 'em all as often as possible. If all you get is BS, then just wash it off with what you know is truth. Every once in a while, a little truth will seep in if people keep talking. Then we can wash that nugget of truth off, and keep it to keep piecing the puzzle together.

Frankly, I believe there are at least a few chunks of truth in Joran's latest interview with Greta. If you consider what we've learned from Deepak and Satish who have, relative to Joran, kept their mouths' shut then we realize that this case may very well have gone away.

I don't care if it is Tacky on Dana. Keep flappin' those jaws.

[SS]

Do ya'll reckon that Schaefer and Silvetti might be doing
a little offshore banking to hide some funds from that
SEC investigation?  That is a specialty of Croes and Tchong.

Mags - this morning Caps posted that an American couldn't own a business on Aruba without a partner.  I can make a few guesses as to who Silvetti's partner might be.    Hint: he had a relative who cleaned the cage.

[Magnolia]

Do ya'll reckon that Schaefer and Silvetti might be doing
a little offshore banking to hide some funds from that
SEC investigation?  That is a specialty of Croes and Tchong.

Mags - this morning Caps posted that an American couldn't own a business on Aruba without a partner.  I can make a few guesses as to who Silvetti's partner might be.    Hint: he had a relative who cleaned the cage.

Gotcha!

But why on earth would Silvetti not want the contents of the
cage known?  Caps even said that he dove down to the cage.
Who cares about the cage....it's what was in it that is important.

[Tamikosmom]

MICHAEL POSNER

The Island of Aruba did not anticipate the strength and determination of a mother by the name of Beth Holloway Twitty. By the time that Aruba realized that this amazing woman was not about to be silenced until her quest for answers regarding her precious daughter were answered … it was too late to turn back. It was no longer just about protecting Paulus and Joran in regards to their role in the events that encompass that fateful morning.  It was now about protecting those at all levels of the Aruban/Dutch administrations who were involved in the coverup … it was now about protecting the sons of the elite … it was now about protecting the judiciary and … it was now about the implications of exposing Michael Posner's little secrets in regards to organized crime … drugs … gambling … prostitution … pornography … money laundering.

What was the real Joran/Paulus/Posner connection?

Why did Michael Posner hire American attorney Joe Tacopina to represent Joran?

Why did Michael Posner hire a private investigator to search for Natalee Holloway?

Why did Paulus not face any consequences for accompanying his underage son to a casino for the purpose of gambling and drinking?

Janet

+++++++++

Aruban casino boss had ties to Chicago mob
Thursday, February 23, 2006 | 6:07 PM
Missing Alabama teen last seen at casino
By Chuck Goudie

February 23, 2006 (WLS) -- Authorities on the island of Aruba have not been able to solve the mystery of what happened to Alabama teenager Natalie Holloway. She disappeared while on a high school trip last spring. The ABC7 I-Team has learned new details about the casino where Holloway was last seen, an Aruba casino run by a convicted high-ranking Chicago mobster.

The unsolved disappearance of 18-year-old Natalie Holloway has commanded worldwide attention. It has been widely reported that the last place Holloway was known to be alive was the Excelsior casino connected to the Holiday Inn where she and her classmates were staying.
 
The I-Team has learned that the casino where Holloway was last seen is operated by Chicagoan Michael Posner. The intelligence report on Posner lists him as a prominent member of the Chicago outfit for more than 40 years.

According to federal law enforcement, Michael Posner's most recent mob assignment was boss of illegal rackets in the north suburbs. Posner was convicted in 1987 of threatening wayward gamblers with death and running prostitutes out of this Lake County strip club.

Through his Chicago lawyer, Posner maintains that he has been clean for 15 years and since 1998 has operated the Excelsior casino on the Caribbean resort on the island of Aruba.
 
Last May, honor student Natalie Holloway was staying at the resort on her high school graduation trip when she disappeared. One of the last places she was seen alive was in Posner's Excelsior casino.
 
In security tape obtained by ABC News, Holloway is seen at a table seated next to Joran van der Sloot, a local who is the prime suspect in the case.

Van der Slout admits having had a romantic encounter with Holloway, but in an exclusive interview to air Thursday night on Primetime, he says he is no criminal.

"I think I've been portrayed unfairly. I've been portrayed as a murderer and a rapist and everything that I'm not," van der Sloot said.

Casino boss Michael Posner denies that he knows van der Sloot and denies ever extending him casino credit.

Posner's lawyer Allan Ackerman says Posner was in Chicago when Holloway vanished and returned to Aruba the day after.
 
Now 64 years old, here's the intelligence report on Michael William Posner:

* aka Michael Rubins and Irving Goldstein.

* his family still resides in Riverwoods.
 
* his criminal profile lists involvement in illegal gambling, strip clubs and vending machines.

* criminal history dates to 1960 includes numerous arrests and successful tax and racketeering prosecutions.
 
Posner says it was he who voluntarily turned over this casino surveillance tape to Aruban authorities and that he is furious they have allowed ABC News to broadcast it.

Posner says he has paid the expenses for private investigators to come here and assist in the search for Holloway and according to his lawyer: "He has nothin' to do with nothing" in the murder case.

http://abclocal.go.com/wls/story?section=investigative&id=3936339


DANA PRETZER
July 23, 2007

Dana: One thing that makes my listeners scratch their heads so to speak and wonder, myself included and we'll talk about it again, is the fact of the underage drinking and gambling that had been going on admittedly by young van der Sloot.  Was there ever any discussion or has there ever been any discussion at least of filing some charges as far as that goes?

Jossy:  No, there hasn't been any of that. The authorities have just (inaudible) it aside, they haven't paid any attention to it then and they're not paying any attention to it now and over the past 26 months.  I haven't seen anything in the direction of trying to make some kind of statement that this is not (inaudiable) at least make some sort of a statement that this is not (inaubible) because it is a known fact that as an underage he wasn't supposed to be in the casino, much less in the company of his father. He was there, there are video tapes to prove that and still the authorities haven't done anything with regard to that specific case.

http://scaredmonkeysradio.com/2007/07/23/the-dana-pretzer-show-monday-july-23rd-2007-special-guests-larry-sinclair-jossy-mansur-ladonna-meredith-attorney-jay-paul-deratany/


'Rita Cosby Live & Direct' for Sept. 19th
updated 6:33 a.m. PT, Tues., Sept. 20, 2005

HOLLOWAY TWITTY: ... I don‘t think there was ever a question that Joran and Paulus Van Der Sloot had been in that Excelsior Casino, and, particularly, on the night of the 29th where he and his father met Natalee.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9407728/

[SS]

Do ya'll reckon that Schaefer and Silvetti might be doing
a little offshore banking to hide some funds from that
SEC investigation?  That is a specialty of Croes and Tchong.

Mags - this morning Caps posted that an American couldn't own a business on Aruba without a partner.  I can make a few guesses as to who Silvetti's partner might be.    Hint: he had a relative who cleaned the cage.

Gotcha!

But why on earth would Silvetti not want the contents of the
cage known?  Caps even said that he dove down to the cage.
Who cares about the cage....it's what was in it that is important.

This is what I posted a few weeks ago with Kermit's response.  It sounds like his business was in trouble and he was looking into some new oil ventures with Aruba and Chavez.  If he could do the search on a voluntary basis to look for a missing American woman, the expenses could all be written off on his corporate taxes.  He claimed the search cost a million dollars.  Did it really cost a million dollars???  Persistence searched for Natalee until the end of February, so how could they justify this nonprofit search if they had already found the her by the beginning of January?

SS:Monkeys - Kyle said that he discovered the trap on the screen very early Christmas morning.  That's when Tim said  "it looks like a skull".  The contents of the trap were cleaned on January 7th.  Persistence continued to use side scan sonor to map the ocean floor well into February.  Now how could they justify all of those extra weeks of searching for a missing American woman if they had already found her in the beginning of January?  They also needed to get our focus off of Persistence and the ocean search.  Viola!  Caps enters the picture to tell us about Manserat Pond.  The picture of the cage was never supposed to be released and I'm sure that caused big trouble.  All of the evidence disappeared.  The fabric sent to Quantico wasn't Natalee's blouse.  There wasn't anything else in the cage - it was just a coconut or a piece of coral.  Back to the ocean search for Peristence so that they could continue with the grids and their non profit search.

Kermit:
SS,
did you know CIA is hiring. BINGO great work!

[Tamikosmom]

Do ya'll reckon that Schaefer and Silvetti might be doing
a little offshore banking to hide some funds from that
SEC investigation?  That is a specialty of Croes and Tchong.

Mags - this morning Caps posted that an American couldn't own a business on Aruba without a partner.  I can make a few guesses as to who Silvetti's partner might be.    Hint: he had a relative who cleaned the cage.

 

Who?  Tell me.  Tell me.  Pleeeeease.

Jane

[Magnolia]

Do ya'll reckon that Schaefer and Silvetti might be doing
a little offshore banking to hide some funds from that
SEC investigation?  That is a specialty of Croes and Tchong.

Mags - this morning Caps posted that an American couldn't own a business on Aruba without a partner.  I can make a few guesses as to who Silvetti's partner might be.    Hint: he had a relative who cleaned the cage.

Gotcha!

But why on earth would Silvetti not want the contents of the
cage known?  Caps even said that he dove down to the cage.
Who cares about the cage....it's what was in it that is important.

This is what I posted a few weeks ago with Kermit's response.  It sounds like his business was in trouble and he was looking into some new oil ventures with Aruba and Chavez.  If he could do the search on a voluntary basis to look for a missing American woman, the expenses could all be written off on his corporate taxes.  He claimed the search cost a million dollars.  Did it really cost a million dollars???  Persistence searched for Natalee until the end of February, so how could they justify this nonprofit search if they had already found the her by the beginning of January?

SS:Monkeys - Kyle said that he discovered the trap on the screen very early Christmas morning.  That's when Tim said  "it looks like a skull".  The contents of the trap were cleaned on January 7th.  Persistence continued to use side scan sonor to map the ocean floor well into February.  Now how could they justify all of those extra weeks of searching for a missing American woman if they had already found her in the beginning of January?  They also needed to get our focus off of Persistence and the ocean search.  Viola!  Caps enters the picture to tell us about Manserat Pond.  The picture of the cage was never supposed to be released and I'm sure that caused big trouble.  All of the evidence disappeared.  The fabric sent to Quantico wasn't Natalee's blouse.  There wasn't anything else in the cage - it was just a coconut or a piece of coral.  Back to the ocean search for Peristence so that they could continue with the grids and their non profit search.

Kermit:
SS,
did you know CIA is hiring. BINGO great work!

Thank you SS.  I had forgotten.
Kermit was right....they are grave robbers!

[Tamikosmom]

Do ya'll reckon that Schaefer and Silvetti might be doing
a little offshore banking to hide some funds from that
SEC investigation?  That is a specialty of Croes and Tchong.

Mags - this morning Caps posted that an American couldn't own a business on Aruba without a partner.  I can make a few guesses as to who Silvetti's partner might be.    Hint: he had a relative who cleaned the cage.

Gotcha!

But why on earth would Silvetti not want the contents of the
cage known?  Caps even said that he dove down to the cage.
Who cares about the cage....it's what was in it that is important.

This is what I posted a few weeks ago with Kermit's response.  It sounds like his business was in trouble and he was looking into some new oil ventures with Aruba and Chavez.  If he could do the search on a voluntary basis to look for a missing American woman, the expenses could all be written off on his corporate taxes.  He claimed the search cost a million dollars.  Did it really cost a million dollars???  Persistence searched for Natalee until the end of February, so how could they justify this nonprofit search if they had already found the her by the beginning of January?

SS:Monkeys - Kyle said that he discovered the trap on the screen very early Christmas morning.  That's when Tim said  "it looks like a skull".  The contents of the trap were cleaned on January 7th.  Persistence continued to use side scan sonor to map the ocean floor well into February.  Now how could they justify all of those extra weeks of searching for a missing American woman if they had already found her in the beginning of January?  They also needed to get our focus off of Persistence and the ocean search.  Viola!  Caps enters the picture to tell us about Manserat Pond.  The picture of the cage was never supposed to be released and I'm sure that caused big trouble.  All of the evidence disappeared.  The fabric sent to Quantico wasn't Natalee's blouse.  There wasn't anything else in the cage - it was just a coconut or a piece of coral.  Back to the ocean search for Peristence so that they could continue with the grids and their non profit search.

Kermit:
SS,
did you know CIA is hiring. BINGO great work!

SS and Kermit

The implication is that all who donated to the so-called search efforts of Persistence for the remains of Natalee Holloway were scammed.

Do I have that right?

Janet

[Tamikosmom]

The following is a compilation of quotes derived from emails communication between Kermit and Kyle.

Janet
________

Kermit
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #779 11/24/08 -
« Reply #532 on: November 25, 2008, 07:06:45 PM »

From Kyle: march 18, 2008:  If you want, you can get Red from SM off my back. I really don't like that guy. He thinks he knows what's going on but doesn't have a clue. I first saw the pics on the SM home page and fired off an email to Red believing that he would be understanding and help provide answers. I quickly found out what happened on my own and dealt with it. I could not believe his response.

~Kyle

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4179.msg557660#msg557660


Kermit
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #779 11/24/08 -
« Reply #532 on: November 25, 2008, 07:06:45 PM »

From Kyle: I have not given anything to the FBI since the pictures and statements from Dec 29th

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4179.msg557660#msg557660


Kermit
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #779 11/24/08 -
« Reply #532 on: November 25, 2008, 07:06:45 PM »

From Kyle: None of us gave any statements to the authorities after the 29th. It's possible John Silvetti did, because he was the only one conversing with them after Jan 7th.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4179.msg557660#msg557660


Kermit
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #779 11/24/08 -
« Reply #532 on: November 25, 2008, 07:06:45 PM »

From Kyle: May 8, 2008: "I've talked with Peter Shouten numerous times back in February. He hasn't seen anything but knows about the blue fabrics. DeVries and Endemol was interested in purchasing the ROV footage and I was working between them, ABC, and CBS to strike a deal."

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4179.msg557660#msg557660


Kermit
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #780 11/26/08 -
« Reply #888 on: Today at 02:43:35 AM »

Jan. 7th picture Kyle said: "In case it isn't clear.. notice the blue denim-like fabric”

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4182.msg564718#msg564718


Kermit
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #780 11/26/08 -
« Reply #902 on: Today at 03:09:00 AM »

Kyle said: "The Aruban divers were on the police boat, dove from their boat, and returned to their boat."

Kyle said: "They were immediately whisked away by the Aruban police and not seen of again by us on the 7th"

Kyle said: " John stood back and waited and worked with the Aruban Polis"

Kyle said: "John definitely believed the Arubans at their every word"

Kyle said: "John didn't want Tim Miller on board the Persistence because he said Tim wasn't necessary any more and was a liability"

Kyle said: "John told me then he didn't want to hear me ever mention the trap again."

June 10, 2008 = Kyle states: “He's [John Silvetti] seriously making plans to open an Aruba office so he can conduct business easier in S. America and that would allow him to do that."

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4182.msg564763#msg564763


Kermit
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #780 11/26/08 -
« Reply #903 on: Today at 03:12:23 AM »

Kyle said: "Schafer is sue crazy."

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4182.msg564766;topicseen#msg564766


Kermit
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #780 11/26/08 -
« Reply #897 on: Today at 03:02:28 AM »

Kyle: “I did not feel the same and we had a major difference in opinion. He [John Silvetti] was the one who never pressed ALE to be completely open with us with the trap evidence. I would have forced them to. However, John was the one paying my invoices so I was forced to sit back and hope for the best.”

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4182.msg564753;topicseen#msg564753


Kermit
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #780 11/26/08 -
« Reply #883 on: Today at 02:39:52 AM »

Kyle said: " We all know it wasn't a blouse, but I believe they were sent some piece of fabric other than the fabric found inside the trap.”

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4182.msg564707#msg564707


Kermit
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #780 11/26/08 -
« Reply #896 on: Today at 03:00:21 AM »

Kyle said: "The blue fabric was found right where the skirt is pictured. If it isn't her, it will forever haunt me as a major cosmic WTF.”

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4182.msg564748;topicseen#msg564748


Kermit
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #780 11/26/08 -
« Reply #896 on: Today at 03:00:21 AM »

Kyle said: "We're being fed misinformation to keep us searching and out of their way while they cover their asses, destroy evidence, cover their tracks, and keep us out at sea and away from the trap."

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4182.msg564748;topicseen#msg564748


Kermit
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #780 11/26/08 -
« Reply #888 on: Today at 02:43:35 AM »

Jan. 7th picture Kyle said: "In case it isn't clear.. notice the blue denim-like fabric”

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4182.msg564718#msg564718


Kermit
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #779 11/24/08 -
« Reply #532 on: Today at 07:06:45 PM »

From Kyle: May 8, 2008: "I've talked with Peter Shouten numerous times back in February. He hasn't seen anything but knows about the blue fabrics. DeVries and Endemol was interested in purchasing the ROV footage and I was working between them, ABC, and CBS to strike a deal."

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4179.msg557660#msg557660


Kermit
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #780 11/26/08 -
« Reply #882 on: Today at 02:36:28 AM »

Kyle said: "Louis is currently working with someone who I do not know to put together some documentary on the case, the way it was handled, and what happened during the search. I learned this from Tim T. yesterday. Louis was sold on the idea that it will make him a lot of money.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4182.msg564701;topicseen#msg564701


Kermit
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #780 11/26/08 -
« Reply #802 on: December 02, 2008, 05:16:26 PM »

Kyle said: “The portion of the discolored blue fabric was presumably on the bottom of the fabric. In my opinion this discoloration is not another type of fabric, but rather biological staining or discoloration from biological growth caused from a high organic carbon content and decay. Basically, during decay a biological mat will form around the organics from remains. This is what I believe it is on the bottom of the fabric.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4182.msg564125;topicseen#msg564125


Kermit
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #779 11/24/08 -
« Reply #642 on: November 25, 2008, 10:12:27 PM »

May 8, 2008 = from Kyle: John Silvetti told me today that he may be returning to Aruba very soon for a few days.

May 19, 2008 = from Kyle:
"I couldn't get the logs from the Persistence. All things "Holloway" were stripped from the boat once it got back to Louisiana

JUNE 10, 2008 = from Kyle:
He's [John Silvetti] seriously making plans to open an Aruba office so he can conduct business easier in S. America and that would allow him to do that.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4179.msg557914;topicseen#msg557914


Kermit
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #779 11/24/08 -
« Reply #635 on: November 25, 2008, 10:06:58 PM »

from Kyle: "It was confirmed by the FBI that they received a fabric sample send by Richardson and that it wasn't a match to Natalee's blouse. I think the video can prove or disprove whatever the FBI was sent was the same object or not. I strongly believe it's blue denim. Everyone I show thinks the same thing without being prompted (including senior ABC execs).

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4179.msg557906;topicseen#msg557906

[Keepthefaith]

Do ya'll reckon that Schaefer and Silvetti might be doing
a little offshore banking to hide some funds from that
SEC investigation?  That is a specialty of Croes and Tchong.

Interesting Magnolia!AS Kermit says...Follow the money.We shall follow the money no matter who it pertains to in this case.Paulus,Joran,Silvetti,Schaeffer,etc,etc..Whomever is a part of this case is a open book.JMOO

[WhiskeyGirl]

Do ya'll reckon that Schaefer and Silvetti might be doing
a little offshore banking to hide some funds from that
SEC investigation?  That is a specialty of Croes and Tchong.

Mags - this morning Caps posted that an American couldn't own a business on Aruba without a partner.  I can make a few guesses as to who Silvetti's partner might be.    Hint: he had a relative who cleaned the cage.

Gotcha!

But why on earth would Silvetti not want the contents of the
cage known?  Caps even said that he dove down to the cage.
Who cares about the cage....it's what was in it that is important.

There are a number of reasons one should care about the cage -

Is it the same cage/trap that was reported missing by the fishermen at the huts by the Marriott?   Sounds simple.  Is it made of the same material?  Same kind of rebar and chicken wire/mesh?  Could they identify it?   Was it unique, and easy for the fishermen to identify? 

What size is the cage?  Would it fit on the Gottenbos boat?  Based on it's size, and potential placement, are there signs of repair at points that may have been damaged on the Gottenbos boat? 

How heavy is the cage?  Could one or more people have lifted it and secured it to the boat?

Is there something anchoring the cage to that spot?  Could it have moved or shifted over three or more years?  Where might the starting point have been?  Where was the cage in May 2005?  Maybe there is additional evidence waiting to be found on the path from 2005 until 2008?

Is it possible that something remains in the cage?  Under the cage? 

Could the marine life/decay be dated?  Maybe there is some identification on the cage/trap that would suggest it was not made/dropped/in service until after June 2005?

If John Silvetti did not want the contents of the cage known, why did he send down the ROV, at least twice to my knowledge, and take pictures?

[WhiskeyGirl]

Do ya'll reckon that Schaefer and Silvetti might be doing
a little offshore banking to hide some funds from that
SEC investigation?  That is a specialty of Croes and Tchong.

Interesting Magnolia!AS Kermit says...Follow the money.We shall follow the money no matter who it pertains to in this case.Paulus,Joran,Silvetti,Schaeffer,etc,etc..Whomever is a part of this case is a open book.JMOO

I agree.  I think they should look into those bank account records, ATM records, wire transfers, etc.  Big dollar amounts should stick out like a sore thumb. 

[Keepthefaith]

Do ya'll reckon that Schaefer and Silvetti might be doing
a little offshore banking to hide some funds from that
SEC investigation?  That is a specialty of Croes and Tchong.

I have NO problem with the donations to TES but how was the money being distributed??How were Silvetti,Schaeffer,Kyle,as well as the rest of the boys being paid??Remember.I believe Kyle said silvetti paid his invoices or something to that nature.Correct me if i'm wrong!



Mags - this morning Caps posted that an American couldn't own a business on Aruba without a partner.  I can make a few guesses as to who Silvetti's partner might be.    Hint: he had a relative who cleaned the cage.

Gotcha!

But why on earth would Silvetti not want the contents of the
cage known?  Caps even said that he dove down to the cage.
Who cares about the cage....it's what was in it that is important.

This is what I posted a few weeks ago with Kermit's response.  It sounds like his business was in trouble and he was looking into some new oil ventures with Aruba and Chavez.  If he could do the search on a voluntary basis to look for a missing American woman, the expenses could all be written off on his corporate taxes.  He claimed the search cost a million dollars.  Did it really cost a million dollars???  Persistence searched for Natalee until the end of February, so how could they justify this nonprofit search if they had already found the her by the beginning of January?

SS:Monkeys - Kyle said that he discovered the trap on the screen very early Christmas morning.  That's when Tim said  "it looks like a skull".  The contents of the trap were cleaned on January 7th.  Persistence continued to use side scan sonor to map the ocean floor well into February.  Now how could they justify all of those extra weeks of searching for a missing American woman if they had already found her in the beginning of January?  They also needed to get our focus off of Persistence and the ocean search.  Viola!  Caps enters the picture to tell us about Manserat Pond.  The picture of the cage was never supposed to be released and I'm sure that caused big trouble.  All of the evidence disappeared.  The fabric sent to Quantico wasn't Natalee's blouse.  There wasn't anything else in the cage - it was just a coconut or a piece of coral.  Back to the ocean search for Peristence so that they could continue with the grids and their non profit search.

Kermit:
SS,
did you know CIA is hiring. BINGO great work!

SS and Kermit

The implication is that all who donated to the so-called search efforts of Persistence for the remains of Natalee Holloway were scammed.

Do I have that right?

Janet

[SS]

Do ya'll reckon that Schaefer and Silvetti might be doing
a little offshore banking to hide some funds from that
SEC investigation?  That is a specialty of Croes and Tchong.

Mags - this morning Caps posted that an American couldn't own a business on Aruba without a partner.  I can make a few guesses as to who Silvetti's partner might be.    Hint: he had a relative who cleaned the cage.

 

Who?  Tell me.  Tell me.  Pleeeeease.

Jane

Janet - I have really good reason for believing that there is a connection between the two people, social and business.  If I say the name, I will get hit with truck loads of bananas.  Remember the name of the diver on January 7th that Kyle refused to identify.