Natalee Case Discussion #781 12/3/08 - 12/5/08

[Anna]

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/8430777

Karin Janssen:  The father has spoken with those three suspects, and he said he gave them some legal advice--but I think the advices were going further than that-- They spoke about the situation that when there is no body, you don’t have a case, and that was already in the first day after the disappearance. The father and the mother have asked a friend of Joran’s, the suspect, the minor suspect, to come to their home to tell them what he has explained to the police. And that is--well, I can say--was an obstruction of the investigation.

[SS]

Just in Dutch Newsshow 'Hart van Nederland': 'Police helped father of Joran.'
Justice now demands a thorough investigation.
PvdS was given ALL results from the investigation, including FBI results.
PeterRdV: It's clear now that not only the house searches of the VdSloots were obstructed but the investigation itself was also from the start! Such a conduct never could have happened in the NL's.
Pressure now is increasing on PvdS.



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I hope someone has Paulass on suicide watch.  It would be an easy way out for him right now.

[truthseeker2]

Well...I just don't know what to think right now.  I guess I will turn in for the night and try again tomorrow.  I may have to go back to my first conclusion, too.  That takes me all over the place looking into things.

'Nite, monkeys.  Will be workin' and lurkin' again tomorrow!

Thank you so much for the seasonal avitar!!  It's beautiful!!!!!!

[Anna]

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/8430777

Karin Janssen:  The father has spoken with those three suspects, and he said he gave them some legal advice--but I think the advices were going further than that-- They spoke about the situation that when there is no body, you don’t have a case, and that was already in the first day after the disappearance. The father and the mother have asked a friend of Joran’s, the suspect, the minor suspect, to come to their home to tell them what he has explained to the police. And that is--well, I can say--was an obstruction of the investigation.

[SS]

Is this also news in aruba caps ?
i see on the frontpage (Amigoe ) something about mosquitoes 
woont vd straten nog op aruba caps ?

I doubt if it will be in BonDia or Aruba Today!   

[MumInOhio]

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/8430777

Karin Janssen:  The father has spoken with those three suspects, and he said he gave them some legal advice--but I think the advices were going further than that-- They spoke about the situation that when there is no body, you don’t have a case, and that was already in the first day after the disappearance. The father and the mother have asked a friend of Joran’s, the suspect, the minor suspect, to come to their home to tell them what he has explained to the police. And that is--well, I can say--was an obstruction of the investigation.

Thank You Anna...

[Anna]

1/11/06 - "The release said that the team in charge of the investigation in the case of the disappearance of Natalee Holloway, has a strong suspicion that the young women in question lost her life as a consequence of a punishable offence committed against her."

http://getagripmonkey.blogspot.com/search?q=Petition

Credit: Igsigs



So I wonder what happened to change their minds.

[Tamikosmom]

Tamikosmom is experience a vision ... it is becoming clearer ... clearer ... YES!!!!  Dutch police commissioner Jan van der Straten is the sacrificial lamb in the Natalee Holloway case.

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BREAKING NEWS!!!

ARUBAN PRIME MINISTER'S OFFICE
DECEMBER, 2008

ARUBA IS CLOSING THE NATALEE HOLLOWAY INVESTIGATION.

ARUBA CONCEDES THAT THE INVESTIGATION WAS COMPROMISED IN THE INITIAL STAGES BY DUTCH POLICE COMMISSIONER JAN VAN DER STRATEN.  IT HAS BEEN DETERMINED THE POLICE COMMISSIONER TOOK STEPS TO PROTECT JORAN VAN DER SLOOT FROM BEING IMPLICATED AS A FAVOR TO HIS FRIEND PAULUS VAN DER SLOOT.

ARUBA APOLOGIZES TO THE FAMILY OF NATALEE HOLLOWAY THAT THE ACTIONS OF THE POLICE COMMISSION 3 1/2 YEARS AGO IMPLIES THAT IT IS TOO LATE FOR JUSTICE TO PREVAIL.

[Anna]

Note that this is ERIC speaking and not Stanley


Investigation of the Police Force is not necessary
by A.M. Digital

Posted: Jul 9, 2005 18:10 UTC

ORANJESTAD - The Natalee Holloway case certainly has Aruba upside down. There is a lot of pressure on the Government and on the investigating team.

According to Eric Zaandam, president of the Police union SPA, it is unfortunate that the case has not yet been solved, but more unfortunate are the negative expressions towards the police force by amongst others the Minister of Justice, Rudy Croes, and by Prime Minister Nelson Oduber.

“This is to regretted because, instead of receiving support our own Government dignitaries express themselves negatively about the police” said Zaandam. “Minister Rudy Croes even mentioned that he will bring in a police team from Curaçao to investigate their colleagues in Aruba.”

Eric Zaandam wishes for the Minister of Justice to understand once and for all that the investigating team is responsible and has to report to the Public Prosecutor, and this happens all the time. The investigating team has no obligation to report to anybody else, including the Minister of Justice. The Minister may well bring any team from abroad but the Aruba Police Force will not report to any team.

Those that wish to have information will have to knock on the door at the Public Prosecutor’s office and not interrogate any member of the investigating team, according to the union leader. Minister Croes should not try to play the police forces of other islands against the Aruba police force.

SPA learned of the intentions of the Aruba Minister of Justice when they were in Surinam to commemorate 100 years of existence of the Surinam police force. Here they advised their colleague from the Netherlands Antilles not to fall in the trap of the Aruba Minister. SPA also contacted the Netherlands Antillean Police Union on the matter.

If the Aruba Minister of Justice wants information, he will have to approach the Public Prosecutor, and not accuse any member of the investigating team of leaking information. The investigating team did not commit any crime and an investigation is not necessary.

“The Aruba Police have already cooperated with all the teams that wished to help with the investigation of the disappearance of Natalee Holloway, except Scotland Yard” said Zaandam.

In police circles it is already agreed that they will not collaborate with any team that comes in to investigate the investigating team of the Natalee Holloway case.

http://news.caribseek.com/set-up/exec/view.cgi?archive=72&num=16771

[ldstlou]

Tamikosmom is experience a vision ... it is becoming clearer ... clearer ... YES!!!!  Dutch police commissioner Jan van der Straten is the sacrificial lamb in the Natalee Holloway case.

++++++++
 

BREAKING NEWS!!!

ARUBAN PRIME MINISTER'S OFFICE
DECEMBER, 2008

ARUBA IS CLOSING THE NATALEE HOLLOWAY INVESTIGATION.

ARUBA CONCEDES THAT THE INVESTIGATION WAS COMPROMISED IN THE INITIAL STAGES BY DUTCH POLICE COMMISSIONER JAN VAN DER STRATEN.  IT HAS BEEN DETERMINED THE POLICE COMMISSIONER TOOK STEPS TO PROTECT JORAN VAN DER SLOOT FROM BEING IMPLICATED AS A FAVOR TO HIS FRIEND PAULUS VAN DER SLOOT.

ARUBA APOLOGIZES TO THE FAMILY OF NATALEE HOLLOWAY THAT THE ACTIONS OF THE POLICE COMMISSION 3 1/2 YEARS AGO IMPLIES THAT IT IS TOO LATE FOR JUSTICE TO PREVAIL.

you scared me!! Thought this was an article!! lol

[johan555]

caps this is a papparazzi picture
vd straten is not happy with him  lol
do you know who the other people are ?

[Anna]

caps this is a papparazzi picture
vd straten is not happy with him  lol
do you know who the other people are ?

Nice cap, Uncle Jan!

[MumInOhio]

Bank and pool meeting on Monday...Thought the pool meeting was in the evening, but it isn't documented in the statements....Ah....because Joran wasn't home...

I thought so. Bank and a payoff!!! Right from the get-go before Beth even touched down. And we kept asking why the police would not come take a report from the chaperone!!! Now we know!! Van der sloot was already on it!!!

Let's also not forget Paulus was only a brisk few footseps away from his pal Charles Croes' Digicel offices when he went to the bank. Twice.

Dayhiker...LOL...I have been trying to track this down for a couple of hours now....

CC's Fast Phones at the airport and a new mall, may have closed now?

Digicel?

SETAR owns Telearuba and is owned by a company with the government as shareholders...

So who is next door to the bank? Who owns SETAR...site down as is Telearuba...for me anyways!...Any more info would be appreciated?

Caps ... do you know which phone office is next door to the bank that Paulus visited, please.

Thanks In Advance as Always.

[SS]

Tamikosmom is experience a vision ... it is becoming clearer ... clearer ... YES!!!!  Dutch police commissioner Jan van der Straten is the sacrificial lamb in the Natalee Holloway case.

++++++++
 

BREAKING NEWS!!!

ARUBAN PRIME MINISTER'S OFFICE
DECEMBER, 2008

ARUBA IS CLOSING THE NATALEE HOLLOWAY INVESTIGATION.

ARUBA CONCEDES THAT THE INVESTIGATION WAS COMPROMISED IN THE INITIAL STAGES BY DUTCH POLICE COMMISSIONER JAN VAN DER STRATEN.  IT HAS BEEN DETERMINED THE POLICE COMMISSIONER TOOK STEPS TO PROTECT JORAN VAN DER SLOOT FROM BEING IMPLICATED AS A FAVOR TO HIS FRIEND PAULUS VAN DER SLOOT.

ARUBA APOLOGIZES TO THE FAMILY OF NATALEE HOLLOWAY THAT THE ACTIONS OF THE POLICE COMMISSION 3 1/2 YEARS AGO IMPLIES THAT IT IS TOO LATE FOR JUSTICE TO PREVAIL.

you scared me!! Thought this was an article!! lol

Don't feel badly ldstlou, I bit the hook at first, too.   

[Anna]

Apparently the answer is yes, he did. This according to RWV July 3 2005.

>>>>>SNIPPED

Translation: The Public Ministry (Aruban prosecutor's office) affirmed that Ben King, head of the support division of the Attorney General, was present at the house of the Van der Sloot family when it was being searched Thursday last week.

Spokesperson Marianne Croes, of the prosecutor's office: “King was and is on holiday. He was indeed not present on behalf of the PM (during the search of the van der Sloot estate)” The spokesperson doesn’t want to comment on the various observations that find it strange that a member of the PM was present at the house of the suspects family while the search took place.

Sources within the PM affirm however that the PM as a whole is not happy at all with the actions of Ben King, because this may raise doubts with regard to the impartiality of the ministry. .

King himself says that he and his family have been good friends with the Van der Sloots for some years now. Paul van der Sloot also worked for the PM in the past. King: “A few years ago, when I was working at KIA (local prison), I was maltreated by a prisoner and went through a rough period during which the Van der Sloot family provided us with fantastic support. We want to do the same for them now. But I realize naturally that I cannot stand at both sides on the line.”

And because of this King took some time off from his job to be able to support his friends. King: “It is a small island where conclusions are drawn very fast.” Both Public Ministry and I realize that we have to remain cool-headed. At the same time I have my rights as private-citizen and I want to support my friends in this difficult period.” Ben King was formerly named Vocking, he changed his name a few months ago and his name is now officially King.
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[Blonde]

you scared me!! Thought this was an article!! ME TOO

[ldstlou]

I certainly do hope that there are lots of soiled undergarments in Aruba today. 

rofl

Lisa...this says that Deepak was at work after school...This is the Monday night...Am I on on the right day?

For some reason, I am thinking Karen with the "No Body No Case"

Will look as to what Deepak said when asked about that.

Joran 6/14/2005 PV

At approximately 17.00 pm, I was dropped off by my father at the Racquet Club. Between the hours of 16.00 pm and 17.00 pm, I did my homework and also "chatted". I do not remember with who I chatted. It could be possible that I chatted with Deepak because he does that a lot from where he works. I am not sure about that.

Between the hours of 17.00 pm and 18.00 pm I was in the gym. I was talking there with "Koen" nickname "Cul". We spoke that it was weak and that no one was there.

My tennis lesson was between the hours of 18.00 pm and 19.00 pm. According to me I was not called by anyone during that time. I also made no calls myself. Approximately 19.00 pm, I was done with playing tennis. I showered in the clubhouse. After I had finished showering I got dressed. I do not remember what I put on that day. I was wearing a short trousers and a T-shirt. It looked pretty nice. I also wore slippers. Then I called "Andre". I do not remember his phone number. Andre lives near the Marriot Hotel. We had agreed that we would meet at the Wyndham Hotel at approximately 20.00 pm to play poker. I had then also called Guido. Guido had told me that he had to go to work. He would come later and try to enter the tournament for half time. I had also called my father and asked if I could play poker at the Wyndham Casino. My father gave me permission.

hmmmm...remember though...that we had pieced together that it had to be Monday ..it had something to do with the boys being there Tuesday when Beth got to the police station...and having their story together Monday night...there was just so much to it and I can't remember what??!! It came together when some of those early statements were finally released...remember?

[Tamikosmom]

Over three three years following Rudy Croes words to the Beth Twitty regarding "who let this go wrong." ... he has figured it out.

GMAB

Janet

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Posted 8/22/2005 11:36 AM     Updated 8/22/2005 11:59 AM
Aruba leader acknowledges early mistakes in probe

ORANJESTAD, Aruba (AP) — Aruba's prime minister believes that authorities made mistakes at the start of the investigation of the Natalee Holloway case, a government spokesman said Monday.

Beth Holloway Twitty, who has often criticized authorities on the Dutch Caribbean island since her daughter disappeared on May 30, met in private with Prime Minister Nelson Oduber over the weekend.

"I think that he's in absolute agreement that the initial investigation has been so badly botched," Holloway Twitty said on NBC's "Today" show.

She said the prime minister also told her that Aruba needs to review the first stages of the investigation to find out "who let this go wrong."
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2005-08-22-aruba_x.htm

 
Police head hindered Holloway investigation
Published: Thursday 04 December 2008 10:28 UTC
Last updated: Thursday 04 December 2008 10:35 UTC
 
The Aruban Minister of Justice, Rudy Croes, has told the ANP news agency that the investigation into the 2005 disappearance of Natalee Holloway was severely hindered in its initial stages by the island's Dutch police commissioner. Mr Croes said former commissioner Jan van de Straten did this to help his friend Paul van der Sloot, the father of the chief suspect in the US high school graduate's disappearance.

Mr Croes also said that Mr Van de Straten appeared to have made a conscious decision not to arrest Joran van der Sloot and two other suspects until ten days after Ms Holloway disappeared, even though the first few days are crucial in such an investigation. He went on to say that Mr Van de Straten and Mr Van der Sloot conducted lengthy telephone conversations after the disappearance and that the commissioner deployed a team of second-rank officers to investigate it.

Mr Croes added that a Dutch minister had asked the Aruban authorities to conceal as much as possible the fact that Joran van der Sloot was Dutch.

http://www.radionetherlands.nl/news/international/6079658/Claims-that-police-head-hindered-Holloway-investigation

[MumInOhio]

Apparently the answer is yes, he did. This according to RWV July 3 2005.

>>>>>SNIPPED

Translation: The Public Ministry (Aruban prosecutor's office) affirmed that Ben King, head of the support division of the Attorney General, was present at the house of the Van der Sloot family when it was being searched Thursday last week.

Spokesperson Marianne Croes, of the prosecutor's office: “King was and is on holiday. He was indeed not present on behalf of the PM (during the search of the van der Sloot estate)” The spokesperson doesn’t want to comment on the various observations that find it strange that a member of the PM was present at the house of the suspects family while the search took place.

Sources within the PM affirm however that the PM as a whole is not happy at all with the actions of Ben King, because this may raise doubts with regard to the impartiality of the ministry. .

King himself says that he and his family have been good friends with the Van der Sloots for some years now. Paul van der Sloot also worked for the PM in the past. King: “A few years ago, when I was working at KIA (local prison), I was maltreated by a prisoner and went through a rough period during which the Van der Sloot family provided us with fantastic support. We want to do the same for them now. But I realize naturally that I cannot stand at both sides on the line.”

And because of this King took some time off from his job to be able to support his friends. King: “It is a small island where conclusions are drawn very fast.” Both Public Ministry and I realize that we have to remain cool-headed. At the same time I have my rights as private-citizen and I want to support my friends in this difficult period.” Ben King was formerly named Vocking, he changed his name a few months ago and his name is now officially King.
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Interesting Anna...Thanks!

[Tamikosmom]

Tamikosmom is experience a vision ... it is becoming clearer ... clearer ... YES!!!!  Dutch police commissioner Jan van der Straten is the sacrificial lamb in the Natalee Holloway case.

++++++++
 

BREAKING NEWS!!!

ARUBAN PRIME MINISTER'S OFFICE
DECEMBER, 2008

ARUBA IS CLOSING THE NATALEE HOLLOWAY INVESTIGATION.

ARUBA CONCEDES THAT THE INVESTIGATION WAS COMPROMISED IN THE INITIAL STAGES BY DUTCH POLICE COMMISSIONER JAN VAN DER STRATEN.  IT HAS BEEN DETERMINED THE POLICE COMMISSIONER TOOK STEPS TO PROTECT JORAN VAN DER SLOOT FROM BEING IMPLICATED AS A FAVOR TO HIS FRIEND PAULUS VAN DER SLOOT.

ARUBA APOLOGIZES TO THE FAMILY OF NATALEE HOLLOWAY THAT THE ACTIONS OF THE POLICE COMMISSION 3 1/2 YEARS AGO IMPLIES THAT IT IS TOO LATE FOR JUSTICE TO PREVAIL.

you scared me!! Thought this was an article!! lol

Don't feel badly ldstlou, I bit the hook at first, too.   

Hey ... it is not my fault if you did not read my entire post.

 

Good Morning Monkeys.

Janet
10:35 AM PT