Natalee Case Discussion #781 12/3/08 - 12/5/08

[SS]

Apparently the answer is yes, he did. This according to RWV July 3 2005.

>>>>>SNIPPED

Translation: The Public Ministry (Aruban prosecutor's office) affirmed that Ben King, head of the support division of the Attorney General, was present at the house of the Van der Sloot family when it was being searched Thursday last week.

Spokesperson Marianne Croes, of the prosecutor's office: “King was and is on holiday. He was indeed not present on behalf of the PM (during the search of the van der Sloot estate)” The spokesperson doesn’t want to comment on the various observations that find it strange that a member of the PM was present at the house of the suspects family while the search took place.

Sources within the PM affirm however that the PM as a whole is not happy at all with the actions of Ben King, because this may raise doubts with regard to the impartiality of the ministry. .

King himself says that he and his family have been good friends with the Van der Sloots for some years now. Paul van der Sloot also worked for the PM in the past. King: “A few years ago, when I was working at KIA (local prison), I was maltreated by a prisoner and went through a rough period during which the Van der Sloot family provided us with fantastic support. We want to do the same for them now. But I realize naturally that I cannot stand at both sides on the line.”

And because of this King took some time off from his job to be able to support his friends. King: “It is a small island where conclusions are drawn very fast.” Both Public Ministry and I realize that we have to remain cool-headed. At the same time I have my rights as private-citizen and I want to support my friends in this difficult period.” Ben King was formerly named Vocking, he changed his name a few months ago and his name is now officially King.
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We were told that Voking/Ben King was actually part of the body disposal that night.

[Keepthefaith]

"Dat Kan Ik Mijn Vriend Paul Niet Aandoen" = "I can not let this happening to my Friend Paules"

This was the exact qoute of Jan van Straten.

As I said, the End of the Higher-ups is almost done.

Like chiks in a basked, all are seeking cover, the heat is on.

When Van Straten Attaced Rudy Croes by accusing Rudy by saying that the  Warda Nos Costa is Political Managed, Rudy Croes attacked back by exposing Van Straten.

Van Straten Made so Many Accusation that now between the Holland and Aruba and specialy Curacao on the base of the common Court of Law, for St. Maarten and the BES Islands.

Rudy want his own court to be establsih in Aruba. The Flexteam that Jan Van Straten use in the 10 day's of Natalee desapearance, are not Investigators. But Rudy was aware of that and did permit it to continue.....LOL

Rudy and his Lordship did know everyday what was going on... the Gamble they took was the wrong one.

I know all the people in the Flexteam and now all the chikens are seeking cover...LOL.

Open question that still Rudy want to have answer on: ---> Like he does not know...LOL

Why is that Jan Van Straten wanted to Incriminate 2 color person to deviate attention from Joran?
Why was all that fuss about Joran being interviewed on Camera.? Joran Knew he was being recorded.
Why so many previlages to Joran?
Why was Joran Interogated in Holand and not in Aruba.?
Why Was Joran not Interogated in Papiament here in Aruba.?
Why was Jan Van Straten tried to Incriminate a Drug Addict.?

and so the WAR of the LORDS has started....

the on that help still have to taked....the one that did the clean-up B.W. Team.

....patient the wheel is spinned and how fast it spin depends on the spinner.

CAPSLOCKWIZARD.



 





 

Honestly Caps!Will anyone go to jail for anything????

This time, it all depend of the spinner and I do believe that the checkmate is done and no way out this time. for sure.

Thanx Caps..Although we question sometimes.Please do not feel disrespected as we are on the outside looking in,as well as trying to understand a very confusing situation!For me anyways.

[ldstlou]

Over three three years following Rudy Croes words to the Beth Twitty regarding "who let this go wrong." ... he has figured it out.

GMAB

Janet

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Posted 8/22/2005 11:36 AM     Updated 8/22/2005 11:59 AM
Aruba leader acknowledges early mistakes in probe

ORANJESTAD, Aruba (AP) — Aruba's prime minister believes that authorities made mistakes at the start of the investigation of the Natalee Holloway case, a government spokesman said Monday.

Beth Holloway Twitty, who has often criticized authorities on the Dutch Caribbean island since her daughter disappeared on May 30, met in private with Prime Minister Nelson Oduber over the weekend.

"I think that he's in absolute agreement that the initial investigation has been so badly botched," Holloway Twitty said on NBC's "Today" show.

She said the prime minister also told her that Aruba needs to review the first stages of the investigation to find out "who let this go wrong."
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2005-08-22-aruba_x.htm

 
Police head hindered Holloway investigation
Published: Thursday 04 December 2008 10:28 UTC
Last updated: Thursday 04 December 2008 10:35 UTC
 
The Aruban Minister of Justice, Rudy Croes, has told the ANP news agency that the investigation into the 2005 disappearance of Natalee Holloway was severely hindered in its initial stages by the island's Dutch police commissioner. Mr Croes said former commissioner Jan van de Straten did this to help his friend Paul van der Sloot, the father of the chief suspect in the US high school graduate's disappearance.

Mr Croes also said that Mr Van de Straten appeared to have made a conscious decision not to arrest Joran van der Sloot and two other suspects until ten days after Ms Holloway disappeared, even though the first few days are crucial in such an investigation. He went on to say that Mr Van de Straten and Mr Van der Sloot conducted lengthy telephone conversations after the disappearance and that the commissioner deployed a team of second-rank officers to investigate it.

Mr Croes added that a Dutch minister had asked the Aruban authorities to conceal as much as possible the fact that Joran van der Sloot was Dutch.

http://www.radionetherlands.nl/news/international/6079658/Claims-that-police-head-hindered-Holloway-investigation

Good finds Janet!! Is Beth FINALLY going to receive some vindication??!!

[MumInOhio]

I certainly do hope that there are lots of soiled undergarments in Aruba today. 

rofl

Lisa...this says that Deepak was at work after school...This is the Monday night...Am I on on the right day?

For some reason, I am thinking Karen with the "No Body No Case"

Will look as to what Deepak said when asked about that.

Joran 6/14/2005 PV

At approximately 17.00 pm, I was dropped off by my father at the Racquet Club. Between the hours of 16.00 pm and 17.00 pm, I did my homework and also "chatted". I do not remember with who I chatted. It could be possible that I chatted with Deepak because he does that a lot from where he works. I am not sure about that.

Between the hours of 17.00 pm and 18.00 pm I was in the gym. I was talking there with "Koen" nickname "Cul". We spoke that it was weak and that no one was there.

My tennis lesson was between the hours of 18.00 pm and 19.00 pm. According to me I was not called by anyone during that time. I also made no calls myself. Approximately 19.00 pm, I was done with playing tennis. I showered in the clubhouse. After I had finished showering I got dressed. I do not remember what I put on that day. I was wearing a short trousers and a T-shirt. It looked pretty nice. I also wore slippers. Then I called "Andre". I do not remember his phone number. Andre lives near the Marriot Hotel. We had agreed that we would meet at the Wyndham Hotel at approximately 20.00 pm to play poker. I had then also called Guido. Guido had told me that he had to go to work. He would come later and try to enter the tournament for half time. I had also called my father and asked if I could play poker at the Wyndham Casino. My father gave me permission.

hmmmm...remember though...that we had pieced together that it had to be Monday ..it had something to do with the boys being there Tuesday when Beth got to the police station...and having their story together Monday night...there was just so much to it and I can't remember what??!! It came together when some of those early statements were finally released...remember?

I think Beth got there at 8 or 10AM and the car was there.  Van der Straten came outside, I think Beth was outside.  Jacobs was there. Lala's asked who was upstairs??? 

All I remember?

 

[EURobert]

Just in Dutch TVShow De Wereld Draait Door; parliamentarian Eelco Brinkman of the political party PVV: "I was tipped already that this obstruction of the investigation had happened. We send millions and millions of euro's to the antilles but still it is a bananarepublic.
The Islands must be totally independent of the NL's
Everything must come to the surface now.
I've send a letter to parliament and asked to get all things clear.
Maybe we even have to have an official 'parliamentary investigation'.
I will ask the government to sent the special police which investigates police conduct."

[ldstlou]

Tamikosmom is experience a vision ... it is becoming clearer ... clearer ... YES!!!!  Dutch police commissioner Jan van der Straten is the sacrificial lamb in the Natalee Holloway case.

++++++++
 

BREAKING NEWS!!!

ARUBAN PRIME MINISTER'S OFFICE
DECEMBER, 2008

ARUBA IS CLOSING THE NATALEE HOLLOWAY INVESTIGATION.

ARUBA CONCEDES THAT THE INVESTIGATION WAS COMPROMISED IN THE INITIAL STAGES BY DUTCH POLICE COMMISSIONER JAN VAN DER STRATEN.  IT HAS BEEN DETERMINED THE POLICE COMMISSIONER TOOK STEPS TO PROTECT JORAN VAN DER SLOOT FROM BEING IMPLICATED AS A FAVOR TO HIS FRIEND PAULUS VAN DER SLOOT.

ARUBA APOLOGIZES TO THE FAMILY OF NATALEE HOLLOWAY THAT THE ACTIONS OF THE POLICE COMMISSION 3 1/2 YEARS AGO IMPLIES THAT IT IS TOO LATE FOR JUSTICE TO PREVAIL.

you scared me!! Thought this was an article!! lol

Don't feel badly ldstlou, I bit the hook at first, too.   

Hey ... it is not my fault if you did not read my entire post.

 

Good Morning Monkeys.

Janet
10:35 AM PT

whats sad is I did read it!!!! lol
Thought you were saying your PAST vision came true.
Blonde moment!! you know me!! lol

[ldstlou]

Just in Dutch TVShow De Wereld Draait Door; parliamentarian Eelco Brinkman of the political party PVV: "I was tipped already that this obstruction of the investigation had happened. We send millions and millions of euro's to the antilles but still it is a bananarepublic.
The Islands must be totally independent of the NL's
Everything must come to the surface now.
I've send a letter to parliament and asked to get all things clear.
Maybe we even have to have an official 'parliamentary investigation'.
I will ask the government to sent the special police which investigates police conduct."

this is from today? WOW!!!

[EURobert]

Just in Dutch TVShow De Wereld Draait Door; parliamentarian Eelco Brinkman of the political party PVV: "I was tipped already that this obstruction of the investigation had happened. We send millions and millions of euro's to the antilles but still it is a bananarepublic.
The Islands must be totally independent of the NL's
Everything must come to the surface now.
I've send a letter to parliament and asked to get all things clear.
Maybe we even have to have an official 'parliamentary investigation'.
I will ask the government to sent the special police which investigates police conduct."

this is from today? WOW!!!

Yes. It was a little bit to fast to write it down in all the details but the bottomline of it was: I WANT TO GET TO THE BOTToM OF THIS.

[johan555]

Just in Dutch TVShow De Wereld Draait Door; parliamentarian Eelco Brinkman of the political party PVV: "I was tipped already that this obstruction of the investigation had happened. We send millions and millions of euro's to the antilles but still it is a bananarepublic.
The Islands must be totally independent of the NL's
Everything must come to the surface now.
I've send a letter to parliament and asked to get all things clear.
Maybe we even have to have an official 'parliamentary investigation'.
I will ask the government to sent the special police which investigates police conduct."

this is from today? WOW!!!

We pay Tax here for a corrupt  island  > ridiculous

[Dayhiker]

Bank and pool meeting on Monday...Thought the pool meeting was in the evening, but it isn't documented in the statements....Ah....because Joran wasn't home...

I thought so. Bank and a payoff!!! Right from the get-go before Beth even touched down. And we kept asking why the police would not come take a report from the chaperone!!! Now we know!! Van der sloot was already on it!!!

Let's also not forget Paulus was only a brisk few footseps away from his pal Charles Croes' Digicel offices when he went to the bank. Twice.

Dayhiker...LOL...I have been trying to track this down for a couple of hours now....

CC's Fast Phones at the airport and a new mall, may have closed now?

Digicel?

SETAR owns Telearuba and is owned by a company with the government as shareholders...

So who is next door to the bank? Who owns SETAR...site down as is Telearuba...for me anyways!...Any more info would be appreciated?

Caps ... do you know which phone office is next door to the bank that Paulus visited, please.

Thanks In Advance as Always.

Pardon me for not getting back to you quickly Mum, had some work to do. There was a photo posted here, maybe by the frog, that showed the phone company and bank right next to each other. If someone can find that it should help us clear this up.

[Blue Moon]

"Dat Kan Ik Mijn Vriend Paul Niet Aandoen" = "I can not let this happening to my Friend Paules"

This was the exact qoute of Jan van Straten.

As I said, the End of the Higher-ups is almost done.

Like chiks in a basked, all are seeking cover, the heat is on.

When Van Straten Attaced Rudy Croes by accusing Rudy by saying that the  Warda Nos Costa is Political Managed, Rudy Croes attacked back by exposing Van Straten.

Van Straten Made so Many Accusation that now between the Holland and Aruba and specialy Curacao on the base of the common Court of Law, for St. Maarten and the BES Islands.

Rudy want his own court to be establsih in Aruba. The Flexteam that Jan Van Straten use in the 10 day's of Natalee desapearance, are not Investigators. But Rudy was aware of that and did permit it to continue.....LOL

Rudy and his Lordship did know everyday what was going on... the Gamble they took was the wrong one.

I know all the people in the Flexteam and now all the chikens are seeking cover...LOL.

Open question that still Rudy want to have answer on: ---> Like he does not know...LOL

Why is that Jan Van Straten wanted to Incriminate 2 color person to deviate attention from Joran?
Why was all that fuss about Joran being interviewed on Camera.? Joran Knew he was being recorded.
Why so many previlages to Joran?
Why was Joran Interogated in Holand and not in Aruba.?
Why Was Joran not Interogated in Papiament here in Aruba.?
Why was Jan Van Straten tried to Incriminate a Drug Addict.?

and so the WAR of the LORDS has started....

the on that help still have to taked....the one that did the clean-up B.W. Team.

....patient the wheel is spinned and how fast it spin depends on the spinner.

CAPSLOCKWIZARD.




 

Thanks Caps.  Time for ALL the truth to be told. No holds barred.  Prolonging it will only make it worse for Aruba and it's people.

[blah]

Oh, puh-leeze!  Who was NOT saying it was van der Straten right from the start?  I can only think of one Aruban poster who went bananas every time she was asked anything about him.

Even Geraldo was on to vd Straten.   

Paulus only actually went to the bank once on Monday.  The other time he said he did was to cover his absence from work, not that anybody was watcing him.

By the time of the pool meeting after school, it was already a done deal and no body, no case an assured thing.  MO

Ditto.........hi Anna.

Great to see you, Adoronron!  And my pal Blah! 

Even in The Netherlands, there are problems with corruption in the form of light sentencing, etc. so this is not unique to Aruba in total.

 

[Frank]

eurobert,

Where did you see this?

Just in Dutch TVShow De Wereld Draait Door; parliamentarian Eelco Brinkman of the political party PVV: "I was tipped already that this obstruction of the investigation had happened. We send millions and millions of euro's to the antilles but still it is a bananarepublic.
The Islands must be totally independent of the NL's
Everything must come to the surface now.
I've send a letter to parliament and asked to get all things clear.
Maybe we even have to have an official 'parliamentary investigation'.
I will ask the government to sent the special police which investigates police conduct."

[Tamikosmom]

Aruba has won!

Three and one half years later .... a sacrificial lamb has been selected to take the fall for compromising the entire Natalee Holloway investigation.

However ... those involved in the events encompassing the fateful morning of May 30, 2005 and ... the others in the Dutch/Aruban administration who were involved in the coverup to protect Joran van der Sloot and Paulus van der Sloot will never be held accountable.  Justice for Natalee Holloway will never prevail.

I am sooo angry.

Janet

[littletxlady]

http://www.hartvannederland.nl/item/16313/Politie_hielp_Van_der_Sloot

Police helped Van der Sloot
 New, revealing details in the Natalee Holloway case. De Arubaanse minister van Justitie eist een diepgravend onderzoek naar de rol van ex-politiecommissaris Jan van der Straaten en Paul van der Sloot, de vader van Joran. The Aruban Minister of Justice demands a far-reaching investigation into the role of ex-police commissioner Jan van der Straaten and Paul van der Sloot, the father of Joran.


De hoge politiebaas heeft volgens de minister het onderzoek naar de verdwijning van Natalee Holloway ernstig gehinderd. The senior police boss, according to the minister the investigation into the disappearance of Natalee Holloway seriously hampered. Hij deed dit om zijn vriend Paul van der Sloot te helpen bij het beschermen van Joran. He did this to his friend Paul van der Sloot to help protect Joran

[bastibro]

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/8430777

Karin Janssen:  The father has spoken with those three suspects, and he said he gave them some legal advice--but I think the advices were going further than that-- They spoke about the situation that when there is no body, you don’t have a case, and that was already in the first day after the disappearance. The father and the mother have asked a friend of Joran’s, the suspect, the minor suspect, to come to their home to tell them what he has explained to the police. And that is--well, I can say--was an obstruction of the investigation.

. . and that was already a few days after the disappearance . . is what she said.

[Dayhiker]

Just in Dutch TVShow De Wereld Draait Door; parliamentarian Eelco Brinkman of the political party PVV: "I was tipped already that this obstruction of the investigation had happened. We send millions and millions of euro's to the antilles but still it is a bananarepublic.
The Islands must be totally independent of the NL's
Everything must come to the surface now.
I've send a letter to parliament and asked to get all things clear.
Maybe we even have to have an official 'parliamentary investigation'.
I will ask the government to sent the special police which investigates police conduct."

Thanks Robert.    I hope the parliament gets off their duffs and does something!

[ldstlou]

Just in Dutch TVShow De Wereld Draait Door; parliamentarian Eelco Brinkman of the political party PVV: "I was tipped already that this obstruction of the investigation had happened. We send millions and millions of euro's to the antilles but still it is a bananarepublic.
The Islands must be totally independent of the NL's
Everything must come to the surface now.
I've send a letter to parliament and asked to get all things clear.
Maybe we even have to have an official 'parliamentary investigation'.
I will ask the government to sent the special police which investigates police conduct."

this is from today? WOW!!!

Yes. It was a little bit to fast to write it down in all the details but the bottomline of it was: I WANT TO GET TO THE BOTToM OF THIS.

WOW!!! This could be HUGE!!!!!

[ldstlou]

Just in Dutch TVShow De Wereld Draait Door; parliamentarian Eelco Brinkman of the political party PVV: "I was tipped already that this obstruction of the investigation had happened. We send millions and millions of euro's to the antilles but still it is a bananarepublic.
The Islands must be totally independent of the NL's
Everything must come to the surface now.
I've send a letter to parliament and asked to get all things clear.
Maybe we even have to have an official 'parliamentary investigation'.
I will ask the government to sent the special police which investigates police conduct."

Thanks Robert.    I hope the parliament gets off their duffs and does something!

Yes, thanks so much Robert!! I am starting to get excited!!!

[Keepthefaith]

Aruba has won!

Three and one half years later .... a sacrificial lamb has been selected to take the fall for compromising the entire Natalee Holloway investigation.

However ... those involved in the events encompassing the fateful morning of May 30, 2005 and ... the others in the Dutch/Aruban administration who were involved in the coverup to protect Joran van der Sloot and Paulus van der Sloot will never be held accountable.  Justice for Natalee Holloway will never prevail.

I am sooo angry.

Janet

Janet.Do you think one person is gonna really shoulder all the blame??Rats are just that!