Natalee Case Discussion #781 12/3/08 - 12/5/08

[ldstlou]

I thought he went to the bank more than once, said the lines were too long the first time? Do we have that anywhere in the archives.
One more favor...I can't remember how we determined the pool meeting was Monday after school? Was it from statements? Can anyone find that stuff? I remember we determined Monday, just can't remeber how?

Jumping in from musical chairs with my computers...UGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!

You are right...lines too long, I think?

Didn't the meeting come from Karen Jansen or some-one like that.

Sorry I can't check my notes.

could some one check for me? Was it the statements that came out later?

[Anna]

Paulus only SAID he went to the bank twice on Monday, etc.  No record of multiple transactions I am pretty sure.  Long lines in Aruba, lol.

Frankly, I just don't believe everything he says.  At some point in time I believe he was in contact with vd Straten or someone designated for dealing with things. 

[ldstlou]

Bank and pool meeting on Monday...Thought the pool meeting was in the evening, but it isn't documented in the statements....Ah....because Joran wasn't home...

I thought so. Bank and a payoff!!! Right from the get-go before Beth even touched down. And we kept asking why the police would not come take a report from the chaperone!!! Now we know!! Van der sloot was already on it!!!

Let's also not forget Paulus was only a brisk few footseps away from his pal Charles Croes' Digicel offices when he went to the bank. Twice.

Let's not forget the bank teller who could confirm the transactions.  She suddenly died at the age of 45.

its all coming together is it!!!

[MumInOhio]

Bank and pool meeting on Monday...Thought the pool meeting was in the evening, but it isn't documented in the statements....Ah....because Joran wasn't home...

I thought so. Bank and a payoff!!! Right from the get-go before Beth even touched down. And we kept asking why the police would not come take a report from the chaperone!!! Now we know!! Van der sloot was already on it!!!

Let's also not forget Paulus was only a brisk few footseps away from his pal Charles Croes' Digicel offices when he went to the bank. Twice.

Let's not forget the bank teller who could confirm the transactions.  She suddenly died at the age of 45.

Anyone have anything that Ruth was in fact a Bank teller?

I recall Paulus said he spoke to her at the bank...could have been another customer...TIA

[Tamikosmom]

I cannot figure out what Rudy Croes is implying with he claims that the Netherlands did not provide "moral" support to Aruba.  The administration in the Netherlands never took a stand in the name of justice for Natalee Holloway.  Aruba has been given a free rein to coverup and protect their own for over 3 1/2 years.
Janet

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‘Van der Sloot father hindered Natalee probe’
Thursday 04 December 2008

Dutchman Jan van der Straten, who was police commissioner on the Caribbean island of Aruba when US teenager Natalee Holloway disappeared, seriously hindered the investigation in the first few days, Aruban justice minister Rudy Croes is quoted as saying by news agency ANP.

ANP says Croes claims Van der Straten was slow to take action in order to help his friend Paul van der Sloot protect his son Joran, who was suspected of being involved in the disappearance. Such rumours have circulated on the island for some time, ANP says.

According to ANP, Croes made the statement following criticism of the Aruban police force made by Van der Straten earlier this week.

Questioning

Croes said that Joran and two other suspects were only taken in for questioning 10 days after Holloway went missing ‘when the first days are crucial in a disappearance’. And he claims he heard Van der Straten say ‘I cannot do that to my friend Paul’.

Croes also claims there were a lot of telephone conversations between Van der Sloot senior and Van der Straten and that a ‘second class’ police team was put on the investigation. ‘It was the team used during the carnival celebrations,’ ANP reports him as saying.

In addition, Croes accuses the Dutch government of failing to provide any moral support to Aruba. He says the Aruban authorities were pressurised to present Joran van der Sloot as an Aruban, not a Dutch national.

ANP does not say when and where Croes made the comments, or if it had picked them up from another source.

http://www.dutchnews.nl/news/archives/2008/12/van_der_sloots_father_hindered.php


Beth Twitty
On the Record w/ Greta
November 14, 2005

VAN SUSTEREN: : We're saying that even the AG is controlled by The Hague, so they're keeping Karen Janssen on ...

TWITTY: Well Greta, somebody is lobbying for Joran in the Hague in order to protect him ..... it has to be.


Beth Twitty
'Rita Cosby Live & Direct'
December 1, 2005

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY'S MOTHER: Well, of course, it's very frustrating. You know, the entire investigation, that's all we've had is frustration coming out of the officials from Aruba.  You know, evidence—you know when evidence is gathered and lost or evidence is never gathered when it's supposed to be, just (INAUDIBLE) the primary residence of Paulus Van Der Sloot was never searched —I mean, you know, it just can't help but raise all the questions of—and leave us frustrated.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10295536/

[Keepthefaith]

I cannot figure out what Rudy Croes is implying with he claims that the Netherlands did not provide "moral" support to Aruba.  The administration in the Netherlands never took a stand in the name of justice for Natalee Holloway.  Aruba has been given a free rein to coverup and protect their own for over 3 1/2 years.
Janet

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‘Van der Sloot father hindered Natalee probe’
Thursday 04 December 2008

Dutchman Jan van der Straten, who was police commissioner on the Caribbean island of Aruba when US teenager Natalee Holloway disappeared, seriously hindered the investigation in the first few days, Aruban justice minister Rudy Croes is quoted as saying by news agency ANP.

ANP says Croes claims Van der Straten was slow to take action in order to help his friend Paul van der Sloot protect his son Joran, who was suspected of being involved in the disappearance. Such rumours have circulated on the island for some time, ANP says.

According to ANP, Croes made the statement following criticism of the Aruban police force made by Van der Straten earlier this week.

Questioning

Croes said that Joran and two other suspects were only taken in for questioning 10 days after Holloway went missing ‘when the first days are crucial in a disappearance’. And he claims he heard Van der Straten say ‘I cannot do that to my friend Paul’.

Croes also claims there were a lot of telephone conversations between Van der Sloot senior and Van der Straten and that a ‘second class’ police team was put on the investigation. ‘It was the team used during the carnival celebrations,’ ANP reports him as saying.

In addition, Croes accuses the Dutch government of failing to provide any moral support to Aruba. He says the Aruban authorities were pressurised to present Joran van der Sloot as an Aruban, not a Dutch national.

ANP does not say when and where Croes made the comments, or if it had picked them up from another source.

http://www.dutchnews.nl/news/archives/2008/12/van_der_sloots_father_hindered.php


Beth Twitty
On the Record w/ Greta
November 14, 2005

VAN SUSTEREN: : We're saying that even the AG is controlled by The Hague, so they're keeping Karen Janssen on ...

TWITTY: Well Greta, somebody is lobbying for Joran in the Hague in order to protect him ..... it has to be.


Beth Twitty
'Rita Cosby Live & Direct'
December 1, 2005

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY'S MOTHER: Well, of course, it's very frustrating. You know, the entire investigation, that's all we've had is frustration coming out of the officials from Aruba.  You know, evidence—you know when evidence is gathered and lost or evidence is never gathered when it's supposed to be, just (INAUDIBLE) the primary residence of Paulus Van Der Sloot was never searched —I mean, you know, it just can't help but raise all the questions of—and leave us frustrated.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10295536/

So who is Lobbying for Joran and how are they connected to the VDS family??

[SS]

Paulus only SAID he went to the bank twice on Monday, etc.  No record of multiple transactions I am pretty sure.  Long lines in Aruba, lol.

Frankly, I just don't believe everything he says.  At some point in time I believe he was in contact with vd Straten or someone designated for dealing with things. 

Voking was in on it, too.  I never believed that he took time off to stay with his dear friend, Paulass, during his time of trouble.  Voking was involved that night and they had to get him out of the police station for a while.

[SS]

I certainly do hope that there are lots of soiled undergarments in Aruba today. 

[ldstlou]

I certainly do hope that there are lots of soiled undergarments in Aruba today. 

rofl

[CapsLockWizard]

"Dat Kan Ik Mijn Vriend Paul Niet Aandoen" = "I can not let this happening to my Friend Paules"

This was the exact qoute of Jan van Straten.

As I said, the End of the Higher-ups is almost done.

Like chiks in a basked, all are seeking cover, the heat is on.

When Van Straten Attaced Rudy Croes by accusing Rudy by saying that the  Warda Nos Costa is Political Managed, Rudy Croes attacked back by exposing Van Straten.

Van Straten Made so Many Accusation that now between the Holland and Aruba and specialy Curacao on the base of the common Court of Law, for St. Maarten and the BES Islands.

Rudy want his own court to be establsih in Aruba. The Flexteam that Jan Van Straten use in the 10 day's of Natalee desapearance, are not Investigators. But Rudy was aware of that and did permit it to continue.....LOL

Rudy and his Lordship did know everyday what was going on... the Gamble they took was the wrong one.

I know all the people in the Flexteam and now all the chikens are seeking cover...LOL.

Open question that still Rudy want to have answer on: ---> Like he does not know...LOL

Why is that Jan Van Straten wanted to Incriminate 2 color person to deviate attention from Joran?
Why was all that fuss about Joran being interviewed on Camera.? Joran Knew he was being recorded.
Why so many previlages to Joran?
Why was Joran Interogated in Holand and not in Aruba.?
Why Was Joran not Interogated in Papiament here in Aruba.?
Why was Jan Van Straten tried to Incriminate a Drug Addict.?

and so the WAR of the LORDS has started....

the on that help still have to taked....the one that did the clean-up B.W. Team.

....patient the wheel is spinned and how fast it spin depends on the spinner.

CAPSLOCKWIZARD.



 





 

[Keepthefaith]

"Dat Kan Ik Mijn Vriend Paul Niet Aandoen" = "I can not let this happening to my Friend Paules"

This was the exact qoute of Jan van Straten.

As I said, the End of the Higher-ups is almost done.

Like chiks in a basked, all are seeking cover, the heat is on.

When Van Straten Attaced Rudy Croes by accusing Rudy by saying that the  Warda Nos Costa is Political Managed, Rudy Croes attacked back by exposing Van Straten.

Van Straten Made so Many Accusation that now between the Holland and Aruba and specialy Curacao on the base of the common Court of Law, for St. Maarten and the BES Islands.

Rudy want his own court to be establsih in Aruba. The Flexteam that Jan Van Straten use in the 10 day's of Natalee desapearance, are not Investigators. But Rudy was aware of that and did permit it to continue.....LOL

Rudy and his Lordship did know everyday what was going on... the Gamble they took was the wrong one.

I know all the people in the Flexteam and now all the chikens are seeking cover...LOL.

Open question that still Rudy want to have answer on: ---> Like he does not know...LOL

Why is that Jan Van Straten wanted to Incriminate 2 color person to deviate attention from Joran?
Why was all that fuss about Joran being interviewed on Camera.? Joran Knew he was being recorded.
Why so many previlages to Joran?
Why was Joran Interogated in Holand and not in Aruba.?
Why Was Joran not Interogated in Papiament here in Aruba.?
Why was Jan Van Straten tried to Incriminate a Drug Addict.?

and so the WAR of the LORDS has started....

the on that help still have to taked....the one that did the clean-up B.W. Team.

....patient the wheel is spinned and how fast it spin depends on the spinner.

CAPSLOCKWIZARD.



 





 

Honestly Caps!Will anyone go to jail for anything????

[klaasend]

"Dat Kan Ik Mijn Vriend Paul Niet Aandoen" = "I can not let this happening to my Friend Paules"

This was the exact qoute of Jan van Straten.

As I said, the End of the Higher-ups is almost done.

Like chiks in a basked, all are seeking cover, the heat is on.

When Van Straten Attaced Rudy Croes by accusing Rudy by saying that the  Warda Nos Costa is Political Managed, Rudy Croes attacked back by exposing Van Straten.

Van Straten Made so Many Accusation that now between the Holland and Aruba and specialy Curacao on the base of the common Court of Law, for St. Maarten and the BES Islands.

Rudy want his own court to be establsih in Aruba. The Flexteam that Jan Van Straten use in the 10 day's of Natalee desapearance, are not Investigators. But Rudy was aware of that and did permit it to continue.....LOL

Rudy and his Lordship did know everyday what was going on... the Gamble they took was the wrong one.

I know all the people in the Flexteam and now all the chikens are seeking cover...LOL.

Open question that still Rudy want to have answer on: ---> Like he does not know...LOL

Why is that Jan Van Straten wanted to Incriminate 2 color person to deviate attention from Joran?
Why was all that fuss about Joran being interviewed on Camera.? Joran Knew he was being recorded.
Why so many previlages to Joran?
Why was Joran Interogated in Holand and not in Aruba.?
Why Was Joran not Interogated in Papiament here in Aruba.?
Why was Jan Van Straten tried to Incriminate a Drug Addict.?

and so the WAR of the LORDS has started....

the on that help still have to taked....the one that did the clean-up B.W. Team.

....patient the wheel is spinned and how fast it spin depends on the spinner.

CAPSLOCKWIZARD.



 





 

Finally - thanks Caps

[MumInOhio]

I certainly do hope that there are lots of soiled undergarments in Aruba today. 

rofl

Lisa...this says that Deepak was at work after school...This is the Monday night...Am I on on the right day?

For some reason, I am thinking Karen with the "No Body No Case"

Will look as to what Deepak said when asked about that.

Joran 6/14/2005 PV

At approximately 17.00 pm, I was dropped off by my father at the Racquet Club. Between the hours of 16.00 pm and 17.00 pm, I did my homework and also "chatted". I do not remember with who I chatted. It could be possible that I chatted with Deepak because he does that a lot from where he works. I am not sure about that.

Between the hours of 17.00 pm and 18.00 pm I was in the gym. I was talking there with "Koen" nickname "Cul". We spoke that it was weak and that no one was there.

My tennis lesson was between the hours of 18.00 pm and 19.00 pm. According to me I was not called by anyone during that time. I also made no calls myself. Approximately 19.00 pm, I was done with playing tennis. I showered in the clubhouse. After I had finished showering I got dressed. I do not remember what I put on that day. I was wearing a short trousers and a T-shirt. It looked pretty nice. I also wore slippers. Then I called "Andre". I do not remember his phone number. Andre lives near the Marriot Hotel. We had agreed that we would meet at the Wyndham Hotel at approximately 20.00 pm to play poker. I had then also called Guido. Guido had told me that he had to go to work. He would come later and try to enter the tournament for half time. I had also called my father and asked if I could play poker at the Wyndham Casino. My father gave me permission.

[johan555]

Is this also news in aruba caps ?
i see on the frontpage (Amigoe ) something about mosquitoes 
woont vd straten nog op aruba caps ?

[Blonde]

Trying to put it all together, and I am leaning towards Natalee passed at the slot house of a siezure from a date rape drug. joran freaks and gets Paulus up. Paulus is trying to figure out what to do...looks up on the computer the effects of drugs and alcohol. Natalee, expires. Gathers the boys up that morning around the pool to create their story and to figure out what to do with Natalee. Sends joran off to school and calls in van der sloot. Van der sloot is able to keep the chaperone limited to just the visibility team..no police would show up. Van der sloot and van der straaten arrange for someone to take Natalee far away in a boat. paulus makes several trips to the bank to get the money put together. They meet the person with the boat, pay him the $10,000, and Natalee is taken away where she will never be found. Deepak and joran NOT at the casino, but meeting the man with the boat. When Jug and Beth arrive, deepak and joran are getting back, sweaty and dirty.

you know what else I am REALLY curious about???!!! Remember the guy who claimed to have the frozen condom? all the talk about not having a condom? What if a used condom was part of what was disposed of and the guy was trying to scare the sloots into blackmail $$ by pretending he had kept it back as evidence?

Betcha so much stuff is finally going to make sense and all the things we were focused on...turns out to be little parts of the puzzle.

WITNESSES –


COLUMBIAN ON THE BEACH witness who claims to have seen a rape, murder and disposal of a young woman at the California sand dunes. Claims to have 2 pieces of evidence from the crime. Later discredited. See above under arrestees.


FISHERMEN - Saw a white vehicle but no activity or persons on 5-30-05 at the area around the fishermen’s huts at Hadicurari where Joran claims he took and left Natalee.


JOGGER – Jossy Mansur said that his information is that the unknown jogger near the “Marriott Hotel”/drained pond witness telephoned police with his 5-30 observations 2 or 3 days after Natalee disappeared (6-1 or 6-2), and he phoned from a public pay telephone.


JUNIOR - the landfill witness who claims to have seen a blonde woman being disposed of,and a white truck. the landfill witness said he witnessed the 3 men burying the body on 6-1. described to him that the body was that of a woman with long blonde hair. The landfill witness claimed he saw her breasts. He also noticed a jeep-like vehicle sitting close to the white truck. The landfill witness saw the 3 persons bury the blonde woman’s body in a specific spot, after which the 3 men found a blue plastic “kiddie’s pool” in the dump and placed the “kiddie’s pool” over where they buried the blonde woman. The witness also obtained the license plate nu-ber of the truck they were driving and gave it to the police, but when the police checked on the license plate number they reported that the car that license plate number was registered to “was not near the landfill.” Jossy Mansur said the license plate of the pickup truck that JUNIOR saw at the landfill has been traced to a Chevrolet “Malibu.”


RAMOS, Carlos Alberto Penata (DOB 2-25-79, Cartagena, Columbia) - the gardner witness who claims to have seen 3 boys in Deepak’s car on the dirt road by the pond at the Racquet Club on 5-30-05 at approximately 2:30 AM. Identifies Joran in front seat, Deepak in passenger seat, and unidentified male in rear seat. Claims passenger has hand up besides face, and the driver (identified as Joran) is sitting far back in the seat. His employer was Eric Mansur.
STATEMENTS to Police 7-26-05 through 8-16-05: http://www.scaredmonkeys.net/viewtopic.php?t=271

Thanks Sweetie!!! So much of the info is so discombobulated in my blonde head after all this time!! lol

Hey Blonde...do you remember how we determined the meeting around the pool was Monday?

What was the meeting about and I will look in my notes

[SS]

"Dat Kan Ik Mijn Vriend Paul Niet Aandoen" = "I can not let this happening to my Friend Paules"

This was the exact qoute of Jan van Straten.

As I said, the End of the Higher-ups is almost done.

Like chiks in a basked, all are seeking cover, the heat is on.

When Van Straten Attaced Rudy Croes by accusing Rudy by saying that the  Warda Nos Costa is Political Managed, Rudy Croes attacked back by exposing Van Straten.

Van Straten Made so Many Accusation that now between the Holland and Aruba and specialy Curacao on the base of the common Court of Law, for St. Maarten and the BES Islands.

Rudy want his own court to be establsih in Aruba. The Flexteam that Jan Van Straten use in the 10 day's of Natalee desapearance, are not Investigators. But Rudy was aware of that and did permit it to continue.....LOL

Rudy and his Lordship did know everyday what was going on... the Gamble they took was the wrong one.

I know all the people in the Flexteam and now all the chikens are seeking cover...LOL.

Open question that still Rudy want to have answer on: ---> Like he does not know...LOL

Why is that Jan Van Straten wanted to Incriminate 2 color person to deviate attention from Joran?
Why was all that fuss about Joran being interviewed on Camera.? Joran Knew he was being recorded.
Why so many previlages to Joran?
Why was Joran Interogated in Holand and not in Aruba.?
Why Was Joran not Interogated in Papiament here in Aruba.?
Why was Jan Van Straten tried to Incriminate a Drug Addict.?

and so the WAR of the LORDS has started....

the on that help still have to taked....the one that did the clean-up B.W. Team.

....patient the wheel is spinned and how fast it spin depends on the spinner.

CAPSLOCKWIZARD.



 





 

Thanks, Caps.  Will Mos decide to keep the case open now or will he actually try to close it?

[EURobert]

Just in Dutch Newsshow 'Hart van Nederland': 'Police helped father of Joran.'
Justice now demands a thorough investigation.
PvdS was given ALL results from the investigation, including FBI results.
PeterRdV: It's clear now that not only the house searches of the VdSloots were obstructed but the investigation itself was also from the start! Such a conduct never could have happened in the NL's.
Pressure now is increasing on PvdS.

[CapsLockWizard]

"Dat Kan Ik Mijn Vriend Paul Niet Aandoen" = "I can not let this happening to my Friend Paules"

This was the exact qoute of Jan van Straten.

As I said, the End of the Higher-ups is almost done.

Like chiks in a basked, all are seeking cover, the heat is on.

When Van Straten Attaced Rudy Croes by accusing Rudy by saying that the  Warda Nos Costa is Political Managed, Rudy Croes attacked back by exposing Van Straten.

Van Straten Made so Many Accusation that now between the Holland and Aruba and specialy Curacao on the base of the common Court of Law, for St. Maarten and the BES Islands.

Rudy want his own court to be establsih in Aruba. The Flexteam that Jan Van Straten use in the 10 day's of Natalee desapearance, are not Investigators. But Rudy was aware of that and did permit it to continue.....LOL

Rudy and his Lordship did know everyday what was going on... the Gamble they took was the wrong one.

I know all the people in the Flexteam and now all the chikens are seeking cover...LOL.

Open question that still Rudy want to have answer on: ---> Like he does not know...LOL

Why is that Jan Van Straten wanted to Incriminate 2 color person to deviate attention from Joran?
Why was all that fuss about Joran being interviewed on Camera.? Joran Knew he was being recorded.
Why so many previlages to Joran?
Why was Joran Interogated in Holand and not in Aruba.?
Why Was Joran not Interogated in Papiament here in Aruba.?
Why was Jan Van Straten tried to Incriminate a Drug Addict.?

and so the WAR of the LORDS has started....

the on that help still have to taked....the one that did the clean-up B.W. Team.

....patient the wheel is spinned and how fast it spin depends on the spinner.

CAPSLOCKWIZARD.



 





 

Honestly Caps!Will anyone go to jail for anything????

This time, it all depend of the spinner and I do believe that the checkmate is done and no way out this time. for sure.

[Keepthefaith]

Just in Dutch Newsshow 'Hart van Nederland': 'Police helped father of Joran.'
Justice now demands a thorough investigation.
PvdS was given ALL results from the investigation, including FBI results.
PeterRdV: It's clear now that not only the house searches of the VdSloots were obstructed but the investigation itself was also from the start! Such a conduct never could have happened in the NL's.
Pressure now is increasing on PvdS.

 

[johan555]

 
[/quote]

Thanks, Caps.  Will Mos decide to keep the case open now or will he actually try to close it?
[/quote]

When a minister ( the Boss of Hans Mos ) said this, the only thing Mos can do is arrest Paul vd Sloot and
jan vd Straten and not tomorrow but today !!!