Natalee Case Discussion #781 12/3/08 - 12/5/08

[Tamikosmom]

So this lady died the day after Rene Heingyn (sp?).  He was the guy who had his throat slit open and was dumped in the cemetary near a police station.  Hmm.

Ruth Gisela Dijkhoff-Holtmann was the bank teller who served Paulus van der Sloot on the day of the morning when Natalee Holloway went missing and .... 2 1/2 weeks later she was dead.

This wannabe detective can speculate but ... confirmation would be appreciated.

Janet

Janet..I hate to see you suffering...I don't see anything here that tells me Ruth was a bank teller...

It may not even be the same Ruth!

Paulus 6/23 PV

To your question whether I went to the bank without stopping or going anywhere else, I can state the following. I at least cannot
remember having been anywhere else. I think I went directly to the bank. At the bank I talked to Ruth DIJKHOFF. At the bank I deposited the money that Joran said that he had won in the “Free Tournament in the Holiday Inn” on the 29th of May 2005. It was approximately 500 Aruban guilders. Joran had given me 100 guilders because he had taken over my place in the
tournament.

After depositing the money I went home. I cannot exactly remember what time it was when I got home. I think it was 16.15 hours. According to me both Rita and Joran where at home. Whether Valentijn and Sebastian where also there that Monday I cannot remember anymore because Valentijn and Sebastian quite often went over to a friends house during that time-period.

Mum ... I am not suffering.  I am frustrated and angry that Beth and Jug comprehended the truth regarding the the coverup that has been denying Natalee justice from the getgo yet ... there was nothing they could do but keep on keeping on.

Janet

++++

Beth Holloway
LOVING NATALEE

Page 227 - Jug has supported me through this entire nightmare.  And we have done everything we can


'Scarborough Country' for July 14
updated 8:45 a.m. PT, Fri., July. 15, 2005

TWITTY:  ……. Beth and I have been through this emotional roller coaster. And all we want is Natalee, whether she's alive or dead. We want to bring her back to the United States, and we'll leave and they can do whatever they want to do.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8551824/


'Rita Cosby Live & Direct' for December 1
updated 7:37 a.m. PT, Fri., Dec. 2, 2005

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY'S MOTHER: Well, of course, it's very frustrating. You know, the entire investigation, that's all we've had is frustration coming out of the officials from Aruba.  You know, evidence—you know when evidence is gathered and lost or evidence is never gathered when it's supposed to be, just (INAUDIBLE) the primary residence of Paulus Van Der Sloot was never searched —I mean, you know, it just can't help but raise all the questions of—and leave us frustrated.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10295536/


'Scarborough Country' for August 11
updated 6:33 a.m. PT, Fri., Aug. 12, 2005

JUG TWITTY, STEPFATHER OF NATALEE HOLLOWAY: ... but when they take my statement 33 days later, and they take the other guys‘ statements that were with me and ladies that were with me, you know, like 19 days later, it‘s like they didn‘t want to find the truth.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8925176/

[Buckeye]

Anna

I found it interesting that the FBI made their comment Feb. 26th and the Persistence suddenly left.  I thought they were maybe surprised that the FBI didn't have more material to comment on.  Maybe they figured out Aruba played them and didn't send samples. 

[Keepthefaith]

Anna

I found it interesting that the FBI made their comment Feb. 26th and the Persistence suddenly left.  I thought they were maybe surprised that the FBI didn't have more material to comment on.  Maybe they figured out Aruba played them and didn't send samples. 

When did they leave??March 8th??

[texasmom]

Ok, Ive been lurking and reading. I would just like to ask one question to Kermit and Hotshot.
So do you think part of natalee WAS found in that cage. Because it is sure sounding like that is what you are both saying, just in different ways. TIA

According to the experts, YES she was in the cage.

Thank you for answering so many questions when one is raised!I don't think a Monkey can ask for anything more.

You are most welcome.

I felt that everyone deserved the respect that we all gave to Natalee and her family to know the truth.

Thank you Kermit, from the bottom of my heart.

[Anna]

Anna

I found it interesting that the FBI made their comment Feb. 26th and the Persistence suddenly left.  I thought they were maybe surprised that the FBI didn't have more material to comment on.  Maybe they figured out Aruba played them and didn't send samples. 

Buckeye,
I remember being surprised they left so abruptly as we were trying to raise funds but other than that, I don't know what to think of any of this.

Just waiting and watching and reading and hoping some sense will come of it all because right now, there are too many possibilities and not enough solid evidence.

It does seem to me that some of all of it could be true. 

And I still think that looks just like a service cap in the cage instead of a skirt.  I wonder whose it is and why it was put in there.  Blackmail maybe?

[MumInOhio]

So this lady died the day after Rene Heingyn (sp?).  He was the guy who had his throat slit open and was dumped in the cemetary near a police station.  Hmm.

Ruth Gisela Dijkhoff-Holtmann was the bank teller who served Paulus van der Sloot on the day of the morning when Natalee Holloway went missing and .... 2 1/2 weeks later she was dead.

This wannabe detective can speculate but ... confirmation would be appreciated.

Janet

Janet..I hate to see you suffering...I don't see anything here that tells me Ruth was a bank teller...

It may not even be the same Ruth!

Paulus 6/23 PV

To your question whether I went to the bank without stopping or going anywhere else, I can state the following. I at least cannot
remember having been anywhere else. I think I went directly to the bank. At the bank I talked to Ruth DIJKHOFF. At the bank I deposited the money that Joran said that he had won in the “Free Tournament in the Holiday Inn” on the 29th of May 2005. It was approximately 500 Aruban guilders. Joran had given me 100 guilders because he had taken over my place in the
tournament.

After depositing the money I went home. I cannot exactly remember what time it was when I got home. I think it was 16.15 hours. According to me both Rita and Joran where at home. Whether Valentijn and Sebastian where also there that Monday I cannot remember anymore because Valentijn and Sebastian quite often went over to a friends house during that time-period.

Mum ... I am not suffering.  I am frustrated and angry that Beth and Jug comprehended the truth regarding the the coverup that has been denying Natalee justice from the getgo yet ... there was nothing they could do but keep on keeping on.

Janet

++++

Beth Holloway
LOVING NATALEE

Page 227 - Jug has supported me through this entire nightmare.  And we have done everything we can


'Scarborough Country' for July 14
updated 8:45 a.m. PT, Fri., July. 15, 2005

TWITTY:  ……. Beth and I have been through this emotional roller coaster. And all we want is Natalee, whether she's alive or dead. We want to bring her back to the United States, and we'll leave and they can do whatever they want to do.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8551824/


'Rita Cosby Live & Direct' for December 1
updated 7:37 a.m. PT, Fri., Dec. 2, 2005

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY'S MOTHER: Well, of course, it's very frustrating. You know, the entire investigation, that's all we've had is frustration coming out of the officials from Aruba.  You know, evidence—you know when evidence is gathered and lost or evidence is never gathered when it's supposed to be, just (INAUDIBLE) the primary residence of Paulus Van Der Sloot was never searched —I mean, you know, it just can't help but raise all the questions of—and leave us frustrated.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10295536/


'Scarborough Country' for August 11
updated 6:33 a.m. PT, Fri., Aug. 12, 2005

JUG TWITTY, STEPFATHER OF NATALEE HOLLOWAY: ... but when they take my statement 33 days later, and they take the other guys‘ statements that were with me and ladies that were with me, you know, like 19 days later, it‘s like they didn‘t want to find the truth.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8925176/

I think we are all frustrated and angry about the treatment the Family received.

Not sure if there is any more info out there on Ruth, Janet, sorry.

[MumInOhio]

Anna

I found it interesting that the FBI made their comment Feb. 26th and the Persistence suddenly left.  I thought they were maybe surprised that the FBI didn't have more material to comment on.  Maybe they figured out Aruba played them and didn't send samples. 

When did they leave??March 8th??

Keepthefaith...March 2nd...I have a timeline going here in Blonde's seach thread...will edit it in a couple of days

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4145.80

[Blue Moon]

Hotshot
 Reply #258 on: November 21, 2008, 10:53:44 PM »
CAPS knows Silvetti from meI was the one who told CAPS to go to the ship and wait for John.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4159.240

Hotshot
Reply #298 on: November 27, 2008, 11:57:50 AM »
 the persistence did tape who and what took all the baggies.  
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4182.280


 Kyle said: I have not given anything to the FBI since the pictures and statements from Dec 29th

Just what are you trying to prove?  I am NOT going another round with you, not here.  This is not the place for it, and it is disrespectable to Natalee and her family.  If anyone made all of this come out, I hate to say it, but it was Jorans BIG mouth.  Your trying to disprove people here is starting to make alto of people sick, I have gotten numerous emails about it.  Stop while SM is still ahead.  You are making something out of nothing.  If you want pics, I'll give you some pics to show everyone that Mr. Silvetti didn't need any extra's to try and live.  His stocks may have dropped, but in no means is this man wasting away.  Leave these poor people alone.  There must have been a million pics taken those few months, and your crying over a few that didn't make it to the FBI?  I am sure there have been alot more pics that did make it to them.. It's not about {{edit}} its about Natalee.

Hotshot - do you know John Silvetti personally?

WTF?

[Hotshot]

Hotshot to Kyle:
 Hi there, and good to see you here at the SM site.  It was me who sent that cryptic message to your blog, sorry about all that.  Its just one of the things that we dealt with here early on in the case.  It looked to be someone in the know.  You can take it down if you wish, I just thought it might be of some help.  But once again, I praise the work you guys are doing, and wish I could be there myself to help with the search.  My prayers are with all of you for a great outcome.  Hey, remember, there really are pirates out there!
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2429.msg315194#msg315194

Hotshot
 Reply #258 on: November 21, 2008, 10:53:44 PM »
CAPS knows Silvetti from Me i was the one who told CAPS to go to the ship and wait for John.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4159.240



Hotshot -
 You guys are going to look really silly in the end for downing the people like silvetti, and Kyle, and CAPS.

BUT then
Hotshot agrees with what Kermit has posted:
the persistence did tape who and what took all the baggies.  
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4182.280


Kyle stated: "John is not a believer in the trap. He took ALE's word as gospel that it wasn't case related, yet never studied the videos or bothered to inquire further."

Yes the message written to him was about the dunes, it had nothing to do with anything here.
Yes, I did get Caps to go down and try to get help for the Monserat Pond.
No John does not believe that there is remains in the cage.  You have to remember something here, it was Johns money who got the Persistence there, he may have been on the ship, but he was NOT one of the workers, sort to speak.  I have spoken to John yes.  
Yes, I believe some of Kermits stuff, but not all.  I don't believe posting others emails are necessary to get things across, that is just not proper.  I don't believe in her gloating over nothing.  And I don't give a rats butt as to what Kyle was bragging about.  I am sure the FBI got all of what they needed and more.  Not that they can do anything anyway, and we all know this already.  It's been hashed over way too many times here.  
Yes, I believe there are some remains in that cage.
Can I discuss the other stuff ?  I don't dare to.  It is what someone has trusted me with, and the last time I did that, not only did people here not believe me, but I got thrown out.  That person in time will tell all, and not until things are in place to talk about it.  However the time does look like its coming soon, and it does look like the Government may crumble, as it should after what we all know happened with the cover up.  
Kermit, as I said before, I am not going to Duke it out with you here, my email is kathee1963@yahoo.com  you can do it in emails if you wish.  as for this
Today, she agrees that kermit is telling the truth.
Because, Kermit IS telling you the truth.
I wouldn't go that far.  You could have done things in a more professional manner.  After all, you are that correct?  A Professional?
There are things that right now are better off being left unsaid, and you know this, I am sure. Just sit back and let this thing roll, it's all starting to happen.  Relax.  I refuse to believe that Kyle is a bad person.  I refuse to believe John, Schafer, and Tim are bad people.  And i would sure hate to have them read what you have posted here about them.  I personally have met with Tim, and Schafer way back in Jan of 2006 back when they were trying to get things going with the Persistence, and getting the OK to go to Aruban waters.  It was several of us that met with them.  So its not like they lost their monies back in 2006 and waited till almost 2008 to scan for oil, etc....  They were waiting to get the OK from Aruba.  And we all know how long they can take.  Schafer is a Seaman, John is not.  Tim is not, he helps in anyway he can to search for the missing, and if that means on a ship, then so be it.  Either way here, it all comes down to one girl, and that is Natalee, they all came together for Natalee.  Not themselves.  There is always one bad apple in a group, I am not saying that "there was", but IF pics were truly going to be sold for his own purpose "other then the film crew that were on the boat", then shame on him.  I just really don't want to think that is true.  

[Nut44x4]

Would Jossy know if Ruth ever worked at the bank??



Ruth Dijkhoff had already died when paulus gave this information to the police, so he knew she could neither confirm or deny it
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-backroom/1617741/posts?page=3618

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Was just doing a search on Ruth here@ SM......
QUOTES were reposted by msmarple
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=188.200

Florida posted:

Quote
RUTH DIJKHOFF-HOLTMAN (Holtman is her maiden name)

MARGARITHA WERLEMAN e.v. DIJKHOFF (known as Rita)
(Dijkhoff is her maiden name...
FWIW: Werleman's own the Lighthouse Restaurant and hotels)

Also by Florida:

Quote
Adding: Roberto Dijkhoff is the Bank Manager
Could Ruth Dijkhoff work at the bank?
Did Paulus need to withdraw "big" or needed a loan?


In response to a query by Altruist , Leslie posted:

Quote
Yes, PVDS used Ruth Dijkhoff's name as a witness to his afternoon banking story, but we have no proof that it happened. There is no declaration from this woman and on June 18, 2005 a Ruth Gisela Dijkhoff-Holtmann died at the age of 50. Was her death from an illness, an accident, foul play or suicide? PVDS's witness statement from June 18th does not mention the banking story or this woman, but his June 23rd suspect statement does. Notice the dates. I am inclined to believe the woman who died was the same one who Paul named and that he knew she could never rebute his story.

MARGARITHA WERLEMAN e.v. DIJKHOFF (known as Rita) was the long-time VDS "maid" who was present at the house on May 30, 2005. Because of my ignorance of the Aruban naming customs, I don't know what Rita or Ruth's maiden names were or if they were related. Of course, Paul VDS would know if they were sisiters or sisters-in-law. Dijkhoff is a common name in Aruba. Another interesting fact re: the death of Ruth Dijkhoff is that her funeral arrangements were handled by the funeral home that Yolanda Wever co-owns and her funeral was in Germany. Did her body or her ashes go to Germany? Did that VDS maid go to the funeral in Germany and is that why her declaration to the polis was delayed? Now this young man, named Dijkhoff, is guilty of killing his infant daughter and it seems that drugs played a part in this crime.

[Elaine]

One last thing then i must finish my dinner which is already late lol. If Joran was getting scared that Natalee was found, it sure explains his latest stunt to try and say he sold Natalee to someone else. That way he can say that the guy he gave her to must have hurt her and put her body in the ocean, not him or his "daury."

[Blue Moon]

Just what are you trying to prove?  I am NOT going another round with you, not here.  This is not the place for it, and it is disrespectable to Natalee and her family.  If anyone made all of this come out, I hate to say it, but it was Jorans BIG mouth.  Your trying to disprove people here is starting to make alto of people sick, I have gotten numerous emails about it.  Stop while SM is still ahead.  You are making something out of nothing.  If you want pics, I'll give you some pics to show everyone that Mr. Silvetti didn't need any extra's to try and live.  His stocks may have dropped, but in no means is this man wasting away.  Leave these poor people alone.  There must have been a million pics taken those few months, and your crying over a few that didn't make it to the FBI?  I am sure there have been alot more pics that did make it to them.. It's not about {{edit}], its about Natalee.

Hotshot ... either you believe these are Kyle's words in emails to Kermit or you do not.  If they are Kyle's words ... I wish he would afford those who supported the search effort in prayer and monies an explanation.  If they are not ... I wish Kyle would refute them.

Janet

<snipped>

______

Janet don't get mad at me!!! I'll send ya another UPS guy if ya don't!! I real good one!!! lol

I sent Kyle an IM and advised he not respond. I don't think the guy can win this one and I know darned well he would be attacked. Now...my word is not going to get him not to post!!! lol Don't even know the guy!! But I supported him in his decision to just let it rest.

Lou ... no thanks but ... cold cash would suffice.

The last two UPS guys you sent me were useless.  I placed a table in the closet where I was holding them hostage and ... set up the Scrabble board and ... they implied rather die than submit to a game with me.  I gave up and set them free.

 

Lou ... this issue has upset me very much.  I have posted with Kermit since the getgo and ... in spite of our differences regarding some issues ... I have never known him/her to be dishonest.  Justice for Natalee Holloway has been his/her objective and ... his/her research that translates into countless hours he has shared with Natalee forums attests to his/her dedication to the cause.

Also ... much of what Kermit has revealed ... I was suspicious of at the beginning of the summer when I began reading contradictions in Kyle's posts.  I was in the minority on the forum in my suspicious ... so I bowed out for five months.

Lou ... so many of us Monkeys have a food planted on BOTH sides of the fence regarding this topic and ... it is important that there is confirmation one way or the other.

Janet

Thank you Janet.
"Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits, whether they are of God." 1 John 4:1



ARUBA - GIVE US NATALEE BACK!

OMG, they did NOT return her and who has the tapes of this now?

[johan555]

Jan was on fox news this evening ha ha 

[Tamikosmom]

The following is the first updated compilation of quotes derived from emails communication between Kermit and Kyle.

Janet
________

Kermit
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #779 11/24/08 -
« Reply #532 on: November 25, 2008, 07:06:45 PM »

From Kyle: march 18, 2008:  If you want, you can get Red from SM off my back. I really don't like that guy. He thinks he knows what's going on but doesn't have a clue. I first saw the pics on the SM home page and fired off an email to Red believing that he would be understanding and help provide answers. I quickly found out what happened on my own and dealt with it. I could not believe his response.

~Kyle

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4179.msg557660#msg557660


Kermit
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #779 11/24/08 -
« Reply #532 on: November 25, 2008, 07:06:45 PM »

From Kyle: I have not given anything to the FBI since the pictures and statements from Dec 29th

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4179.msg557660#msg557660


Kermit
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #779 11/24/08 -
« Reply #532 on: November 25, 2008, 07:06:45 PM »

From Kyle: None of us gave any statements to the authorities after the 29th. It's possible John Silvetti did, because he was the only one conversing with them after Jan 7th.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4179.msg557660#msg557660


Kermit
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #779 11/24/08 -
« Reply #532 on: November 25, 2008, 07:06:45 PM »

From Kyle: May 8, 2008: "I've talked with Peter Shouten numerous times back in February. He hasn't seen anything but knows about the blue fabrics. DeVries and Endemol was interested in purchasing the ROV footage and I was working between them, ABC, and CBS to strike a deal."

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4179.msg557660#msg557660


Kermit
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #780 11/26/08 -
« Reply #888 on: Today at 02:43:35 AM »

Jan. 7th picture Kyle said: "In case it isn't clear.. notice the blue denim-like fabric”

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4182.msg564718#msg564718


Kermit
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #780 11/26/08 -
« Reply #902 on: Today at 03:09:00 AM »

Kyle said: "The Aruban divers were on the police boat, dove from their boat, and returned to their boat."

Kyle said: "They were immediately whisked away by the Aruban police and not seen of again by us on the 7th"

Kyle said: " John stood back and waited and worked with the Aruban Polis"

Kyle said: "John definitely believed the Arubans at their every word"

Kyle said: "John didn't want Tim Miller on board the Persistence because he said Tim wasn't necessary any more and was a liability"

Kyle said: "John told me then he didn't want to hear me ever mention the trap again."

June 10, 2008 = Kyle states: “He's [John Silvetti] seriously making plans to open an Aruba office so he can conduct business easier in S. America and that would allow him to do that."

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4182.msg564763#msg564763


Kermit
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #780 11/26/08 -
« Reply #903 on: Today at 03:12:23 AM »

Kyle said: "Schafer is sue crazy."

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4182.msg564766;topicseen#msg564766


Kermit
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #780 11/26/08 -
« Reply #897 on: Today at 03:02:28 AM »

Kyle: “I did not feel the same and we had a major difference in opinion. He [John Silvetti] was the one who never pressed ALE to be completely open with us with the trap evidence. I would have forced them to. However, John was the one paying my invoices so I was forced to sit back and hope for the best.”

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4182.msg564753;topicseen#msg564753


Kermit
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #780 11/26/08 -
« Reply #883 on: Today at 02:39:52 AM »

Kyle said: " We all know it wasn't a blouse, but I believe they were sent some piece of fabric other than the fabric found inside the trap.”

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4182.msg564707#msg564707


Kermit
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #780 11/26/08 -
« Reply #896 on: Today at 03:00:21 AM »

Kyle said: "The blue fabric was found right where the skirt is pictured. If it isn't her, it will forever haunt me as a major cosmic WTF.”

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4182.msg564748;topicseen#msg564748


Kermit
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #780 11/26/08 -
« Reply #896 on: Today at 03:00:21 AM »

Kyle said: "We're being fed misinformation to keep us searching and out of their way while they cover their asses, destroy evidence, cover their tracks, and keep us out at sea and away from the trap."

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4182.msg564748;topicseen#msg564748


Kermit
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #780 11/26/08 -
« Reply #888 on: Today at 02:43:35 AM »

Jan. 7th picture Kyle said: "In case it isn't clear.. notice the blue denim-like fabric”

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4182.msg564718#msg564718


Kermit
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #779 11/24/08 -
« Reply #532 on: Today at 07:06:45 PM »

From Kyle: May 8, 2008: "I've talked with Peter Shouten numerous times back in February. He hasn't seen anything but knows about the blue fabrics. DeVries and Endemol was interested in purchasing the ROV footage and I was working between them, ABC, and CBS to strike a deal."

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4179.msg557660#msg557660


Kermit
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #780 11/26/08 -
« Reply #882 on: Today at 02:36:28 AM »

Kyle said: "Louis is currently working with someone who I do not know to put together some documentary on the case, the way it was handled, and what happened during the search. I learned this from Tim T. yesterday. Louis was sold on the idea that it will make him a lot of money.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4182.msg564701;topicseen#msg564701


Kermit
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #780 11/26/08 -
« Reply #802 on: December 02, 2008, 05:16:26 PM »

Kyle said: “The portion of the discolored blue fabric was presumably on the bottom of the fabric. In my opinion this discoloration is not another type of fabric, but rather biological staining or discoloration from biological growth caused from a high organic carbon content and decay. Basically, during decay a biological mat will form around the organics from remains. This is what I believe it is on the bottom of the fabric.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4182.msg564125;topicseen#msg564125


Kermit
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #779 11/24/08 -
« Reply #642 on: November 25, 2008, 10:12:27 PM »

May 8, 2008 = from Kyle: John Silvetti told me today that he may be returning to Aruba very soon for a few days.

May 19, 2008 = from Kyle:
"I couldn't get the logs from the Persistence. All things "Holloway" were stripped from the boat once it got back to Louisiana

JUNE 10, 2008 = from Kyle:
He's [John Silvetti] seriously making plans to open an Aruba office so he can conduct business easier in S. America and that would allow him to do that.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4179.msg557914;topicseen#msg557914


Kermit
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #779 11/24/08 -
« Reply #635 on: November 25, 2008, 10:06:58 PM »

from Kyle: "It was confirmed by the FBI that they received a fabric sample send by Richardson and that it wasn't a match to Natalee's blouse. I think the video can prove or disprove whatever the FBI was sent was the same object or not. I strongly believe it's blue denim. Everyone I show thinks the same thing without being prompted (including senior ABC execs).

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4179.msg557906;topicseen#msg557906


Kermit
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #781 12/3/08 -
« Reply #663 on: Today at 09:55:44 PM »

Kyle stated: "John is not a believer in the trap. He took ALE's word as gospel that it wasn't case related, yet never studied the videos or bothered to inquire further."

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4186.msg566856;topicseen#msg566856

[truthseeker2]

One last thing then i must finish my dinner which is already late lol. If Joran was getting scared that Natalee was found, it sure explains his latest stunt to try and say he sold Natalee to someone else. That way he can say that the guy he gave her to must have hurt her and put her body in the ocean, not him or his "daury."

I was thinking the same thing until I remembered that he said his 'I sold Natalee' story was a lie.  Why do that?  Why implicate his father in a coverup?  Is it as simple as some people are saying?  Did Joran concoct those phone calls and agree to an interview, where he tells a wild story, so he could get some money?

I wonder if he told Greta one of those phone calls to his father was in January...right about the time the fish trap came into the picture.  Joran's actions are very odd.  But, his actions have been odd from the start.

[Magnolia]

Just what are you trying to prove?  I am NOT going another round with you, not here.  This is not the place for it, and it is disrespectable to Natalee and her family.  If anyone made all of this come out, I hate to say it, but it was Jorans BIG mouth.  Your trying to disprove people here is starting to make alto of people sick, I have gotten numerous emails about it.  Stop while SM is still ahead.  You are making something out of nothing.  If you want pics, I'll give you some pics to show everyone that Mr. Silvetti didn't need any extra's to try and live.  His stocks may have dropped, but in no means is this man wasting away.  Leave these poor people alone.  There must have been a million pics taken those few months, and your crying over a few that didn't make it to the FBI?  I am sure there have been alot more pics that did make it to them.. It's not about {{edit}}, its about Natalee.

Hotshot ... either you believe these are Kyle's words in emails to Kermit or you do not.  If they are Kyle's words ... I wish he would afford those who supported the search effort in prayer and monies an explanation.  If they are not ... I wish Kyle would refute them.

Janet

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Janet don't get mad at me!!! I'll send ya another UPS guy if ya don't!! I real good one!!! lol

I sent Kyle an IM and advised he not respond. I don't think the guy can win this one and I know darned well he would be attacked. Now...my word is not going to get him not to post!!! lol Don't even know the guy!! But I supported him in his decision to just let it rest.

Lou ... no thanks but ... cold cash would suffice.

The last two UPS guys you sent me were useless.  I placed a table in the closet where I was holding them hostage and ... set up the Scrabble board and ... they implied rather die than submit to a game with me.  I gave up and set them free.

 

Lou ... this issue has upset me very much.  I have posted with Kermit since the getgo and ... in spite of our differences regarding some issues ... I have never known him/her to be dishonest.  Justice for Natalee Holloway has been his/her objective and ... his/her research that translates into countless hours he has shared with Natalee forums attests to his/her dedication to the cause.

Also ... much of what Kermit has revealed ... I was suspicious of at the beginning of the summer when I began reading contradictions in Kyle's posts.  I was in the minority on the forum in my suspicious ... so I bowed out for five months.

Lou ... so many of us Monkeys have a food planted on BOTH sides of the fence regarding this topic and ... it is important that there is confirmation one way or the other.

Janet

Thank you Janet.
"Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits, whether they are of God." 1 John 4:1



ARUBA - GIVE US NATALEE BACK!

OMG, they did NOT return her and who has the tapes of this now?

From Kyle's emails to Kermit, it sounds to me like Kyle does.

[Anna]

Is Dana's program tonight or tomorrow night?

[truthseeker2]

Is Dana's program tonight or tomorrow night?

From what Dana said last night he is doing his show in Friday night.  IIRC.

[Blonde]

Kermit
I do not understand the following:
Because you told that someone want to sell the pics to a magazine, but i think that is impossible
I've seen the underwater photos and  they are terrible ,low resolution and unsharp  etc .
Maybe they have some with a better quality ,do you have them and can you post them ?

Proffesional photographers use always a special (PS)correction program  for underwater pics .

it works like this :

Please tell me johan ,what picture program you use I want it

[Tamikosmom]

Is Dana's program tonight or tomorrow night?

55 MINUTES FROM NOW!!!

Scared Monkeys Radio Daily Commentary - Thursday, December 4, 2008 - “The Babyfaced Gunman” Terrorist Has Truth Serum In His Future

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2008/12/04/scared-monkeys-radio-daily-commentary-thursday-december-4-2008-the-babyfaced-gunman-terrorist-has-truth-serum-in-his-future/