Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #67

[Dolce]

I am still bagoogled here.  If the reason for killing Caylee was because she was becoming of age that she could speak of what she saw, then just stop taking her to the places you did not want her to see!  Kids do not remember much of things that do not interest them, and even if Caylee did than who is to say anyone would believe what the child was rambling on about?  Casey is a good enough liar she could surely make something up.  Sorry if I am being difficult in trying to buy this reasoning as motive, but I just do not see it as a fit.

Just from what we've read from Casey's own pov, her motive was pretty simple. Caylee was coming between her and Tony, in her mind. Without Caylee she'd be able to have fun and do what she liked, without worrying about anyone else. And Cindy was using Caylee as an excuse to "control her life." Without Caylee that would stop, too. I don't think she killed Caylee to silence her, but rather that she killed her to be free.

I am with you.  I am honestly think that we have all began to over think this whole ordeal and stear away from the facts of this case.  Granted its fun to run and see where a rumor will take us, but the facts can not be ignored.  I do not believe Casey to be smart enough to be a master mind mistress, nor do I give Lee that much credit as a pimp.  LOL  I do not know, its just making me crazy some of the ideas that can be thought up, no offense to any of the monkeys at all, as its quite possible...I just do not see it myself. 

[Dolce]

TOY If the costume of which you are speaking of is the one that is red and black with the cards around the boddess I have posted here before stating that I have that same costume from a few years back Halloween.  Mine was purchased at a costume/stage store called Center Stage in Gainesville, FL.  Gainesville is about 2 hours from Orlando and that store is frequented by many from all around as they have really well made costumes and are open year round.  They mostly cater to University of Florida.  You can also rent the costumes or option to buy for the more expensive price.  They also carry make up and accessories.

[Wyks]

I'm more inclined to think these keys go to an apartment or house since they are actual keys and not cards with magnetic strips.

However, I'm not yet totally ready to abandon that storage unit either.  Most of the units around here have no security, etc. so the comings and goings would not be recorded.  This could make a convenient stop to drop off or pick up contraband.

Of course, how long this arrangement had been going on would determine the following but wouldn't they need either (a) a schedule for use of the "facilities" or (b) some pre-determined code word that a drop/pick-up had been made?

I also wonder whether they rent their costumes or whether they are purchased and stored somewhere.  Those don't look like something you'd be able to just walk into a store and buy.  Either they have a perfect size something body or those outfits have been tailored for them.  It's possible but I have trouble visualizing them as domestic divas with sewing machines. 

Another tangent that I think might need exploring is the photography angle.  Not only do some of these costumes look professional, but their photos do also.  Their make-up also looks professionally and artistically applied.  Their look is high maintenance, high-end classy...not slutty or trashy, in my opinion.  If they were in business or setting up for it, it appears they were going for the elite players.  (Which could also bring us back full circle to wondering if they ventured into someone else's territory...causing Caylee to unwittingly become a pawn in a high stakes gamble.)

One other thought...these are kids just starting out.  In my opinion if any of this 10 keys business, glamour look, etc. is true, then who was their financial backer and who was their manager/pimp?

I can't shake the thought that there's something about those keys that hold a clue that will unravel it all.  (Plus, have any of you thought of how the defense may use the fact that these kids got together and DISCUSSED their memories and timelines before giving sworn testimony?  I'm afraid they will use collusion.)

Regardless though of my ramblings on this, one undisputable fact remains...Caylee, the precious child who has captured our hearts, is still missing and presumed dead.  Her disappearance may possibly be the stone sinking in the water that causes the ripple effect reaching far greater distances than we imagined.

Oh yeah, scheduling would have had to been an important thing, if they were taking turns using a place. 

And about the kids getting together and discussing what they remembered, what they were gonna say, etc, that's for sure 'collusion'.  However, the prosecution will likely to be able to use it as much as the defense could.  Cuz wasn't it mentioned early on somewhere, by someone, that right after Casey's first arrest Cindy had a few or more of the kids over to their house... to talk.  ???   

And the part of what you wrote that I bolded... I've been sitting here trying to figure out just how one goes about "destroying" a spare key.  And then I realized, duh on me, it probably wasn't a metal key at all, it was probably a plastic key, since it does say somewhere that Lee took it out of Casey's WALLET.  And really, with no one else having seen it, that key could have been to anything, with no one to call Lee a liar, since he destroyed it.   

[invision]

IIRC it was the Thomas Franck from Universal Events that was the fake one ...

I thought I read that there were several emails, all which were "work related".  If this is a "true" email than that is proof that Casey had a job.......???

I had not heard that this one was proven to be a fake ... I am assuming it might have been a "play job" (volunteer to look like a big shot at Fusians) I could be wrong .... She had just met Tony & crew so I would assume she just started hanging out w/this crowd ...

[numbersgirl]

Maybe we should just take my comments today as a scream of pain... I just keep thinking of possibilities and I think it's because the toenail of my broken big toe is half on/half off.  I may be delusional from the pain...LOL

Anyway, the costume(s) I was referring to are any of those in the photos that are not normal clothes.  I haven't kept up with the occasion...could have been Halloween...probably was. 

Here is my latest "pain fog" thought...  A few posts ago mentioned a "key card" and voila!  I bet that "id" card that LE took so hastily from Casey's wallet was a key card.  They are the size of an id.  Hmmm...at least it could be.  I just don't think that's the key Lee was talking about because I think the one he removed was on a key ring.  Also, I've about discarded my theory on the key being to the storage unit because if they are third party keys, they are probably not easily copied for security reasons.

I thought someone had said that the mention of the keys was in a text message.  Unless that email was in code, I think that was just a red herring to appear that she was working.

Plus, I'm not even sure that this operation had begun.  They may have just been in the start-up mode.  However, how did Lee know the key on the keyring?  His response was that he knew the keys to the vehicles at the house.  Since this key was possibly not a vehicle key, how did he know it was Amy's?  If it was a door key, it could have belonged to anyone's door.  Also, was this not interfering with evidence just as much as washing those slacks by Cindy?

Oh well, I'm tired of thinking for the day unless someone triggers a thought with their post.  I'm off to search the docs for the text about the keys that I must have skimmed over the first time...trying to forget that my toe hurts!

Ahhh Toy...I completely understand the points you've been making.  Your thoughts are right in line with yesterday's cage talk....please get yourself a little sumthin sumthin for the pain and don't worry....

[Wyks]

Always 1 - I just wanted to mention that I liked your possible theory about the 10 keys and the "flop house"...maybe KC was getting ready to begin her new career as a madam...she got her training by managing the shot girls at Fusian...lord knows she has experience in the "back of the house" so to speak...and escort service searches were found on her computer....I can totally see her doing this type of work...anyone?   

Thank you.  I know we have them here.  They get "set up" at the nicest hotels.  The girl gets a room furnished by the hotel, then they send the "johns" to her.

Here? Where are you Always? 

Oklahoma, but Im sure it happens everywhere.

  I thought it only happened in big cities like NY, LA, Vegas, Miami, not Oklahoma. 

Yep, and it's so nice to go to the Pancake House after Church and have them in the booth next to you counting their money.....

FOR REAL? Are they high class hookers or street prostitutes?

Forgot to add this. There is a prostitute that does her dirty business in the dumpster at my dog's doggy daycare. They have caught her twice, once they were inside the dumpster the other time in a chair next to it.

[Wyks]

   Klassend -i just sent you an email at the smklass@hotmail.com address to ask you if it is ok to send me a link to the site where the picture ( the 1 that everyone was talking about on pg. 8 of this thread) originally popped up at. But me email was returned saying that your address has " permanent fatal errors " . That sounds pretty scary.  Do you have another way I can reach you ? TIA
               

email should be smklaas@hotmail.com

 
    Duh...feelin' a little stupid. Thanks for the correction, Sea Searcher!

  don't feel stupid...that's my job...I miss-type her name all the time and the spell checker doesn't know better 

I just noticed.. this is only your second post..

WELCOME to the cage

Welcome to the cage, illuminated! 

[joesamas mama]

[quote author=always 1 link=topic=4198.msg563107#msg563107 Well, thank you Dolce, I am just so touched, I can't think of a time I have ever received such a gift.   Hahahahahahahahahah.

Well I certainly hope that people are not sending you random shots of their bum! 

In regards to the posted email that was just posted...was it not proven that Casey is the originator of that email and it was a fake?  Why are we discussing keys then??  Would they not be included as part of the lie as well?
[/quote] That's what I asked last night, then all the key business came up. I still think it is a made up email.

[Brandi]

What a sweetheart!

Family Shows New Caylee Pictures

http://www.local6.com/news/18177168/detail.html

[Dolce]

Oh yeah, scheduling would have had to been an important thing, if they were taking turns using a place. 

And about the kids getting together and discussing what they remembered, what they were gonna say, etc, that's for sure 'collusion'.  However, the prosecution will likely to be able to use it as much as the defense could.  Cuz wasn't it mentioned early on somewhere, by someone, that right after Casey's first arrest Cindy had a few or more of the kids over to their house... to talk.  ???   

And the part of what you wrote that I bolded... I've been sitting here trying to figure out just how one goes about "destroying" a spare key.  And then I realized, duh on me, it probably wasn't a metal key at all, it was probably a plastic key, since it does say somewhere that Lee took it out of Casey's WALLET.  And really, with no one else having seen it, that key could have been to anything, with no one to call Lee a liar, since he destroyed it.   

Can you please provide the link to the docs stating that Lee took a key from Casey's wallet.  I have missed this information.  All I remember being taken from Casey's wallet was the $200 by Cindy and then another undescribed object from behind Casey's ID taken by a female OCS Officer...but told to detectives by Lee Anthony.

[BooMonkey]

IIRC it was the Thomas Franck from Universal Events that was the fake one ...

I thought I read that there were several emails, all which were "work related".  If this is a "true" email than that is proof that Casey had a job.......???

I had not heard that this one was proven to be a fake ... I am assuming it might have been a "play job" (volunteer to look like a big shot at Fusians) I could be wrong .... She had just met Tony & crew so I would assume she just started hanging out w/this crowd ...

I'm not sure if that particular one was real or not but it did reference Juliet Lewis. If you look at the emails at the top, one of the is jlewis and in the body of the email she says Juliet. I think it was just a ploy to appear to be working. Does that mean she thinks that her Mom, Dad or Brother go trolling through her emails? That they some how suspect she doesn't have a job and go on her computer when she isn't home??

[Wyks]

Welcome, Magic Eyes and Slow Southern Rain,
     I don't think I've seen either of you before...you're really going to like it here!
In fact, welcome to all new monkeys...sometimes I am remiss about greetings because my brain gets saturated.

Janet, you and your family are in my thoughts and prayers today.


I know we talked quite a bit about the key taken yesterday from Casey's things by Lee...the one that was Amy's...but I am still intrigued by it.  Has anyone had any revelations about it overnight?

Knowing there were 10 keys (per posts yesterday...somehow I never read that info or it went right over my head) is (IMO) a major clue of some sorts.  It also makes me think that more was going on in the inner circle of friends than we first imagined. More than likely it also is a primary reason those kids closed rank so fast and have pre-determined what information they would share. 

For most intents and purposes, I'm still stuck in the 70's though and cannot make sense of the muddle.  However, it appears to me (for just a second, imagine there is no Caylee involvement) that this group has sacrificed Casey for the better "good."  Interesting that even with the old group of friends and the new group, too, she has been abandoned.  Interesting to me because she seemed to be a well-liked, popular member of their social circle.

This reeks of something beneath the obvious disappearance of Caylee.  Her disappearance may or may not be linked to whatever these kids have going on.  The more I read of this, the more convinced I am that "we ain't seen nothing yet."

I agree with a lot of what you have said Toy.  I think Casey didn't have a "real" job therefore she could spend more time running around setting up this new "business" that several friends were going to join in.  I also agree that "we ain't seen nothing yet".  Welcome to all new monkeys.  I have only been here a few months but always enjoy the chat and information that is shared. 

Something is very strange.  Casey talks and texts 24/7 ... yet not "friend" has been called by the defense as a charater witness.  I am beginning to believe that Annie has been given immunity by the prosecution to tell all.

Think about it.  Why was Annie ... at Cindy's request ...  arranging  a meeting of Casey's "friends" at the Anthonys within a week of the 911 calls?  Who were these "friends" that Jose Baez failed to include on the witness list as character witnesses?  Would the questioning of Casey's "friends" by the prosecution be incriminating to Baez's client?

Janet

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TEXT MESSAGE

Downing, Annie to Amy

7/23/2008   8:41:19 AM   Mrs Anthony is requesting us all to meet at the house tonight at 8pm. Please arrage your schedules accordingly.  This is VERY important!


Deputy Connected To Casey Anthony Fired
Wed., Aug. 27, 2008

... A lifelong friend, Ryan Pasley, told investigators it would take "the fear of God" to get Casey to tell the truth. She's not going to do anything for anybody, he told them, unless there's something in it for her.

When Casey Anthony's attorney, Jose Baez, asked Pasley about being a character witness for her, Pasley said "I?ll tell you whatever you want to know. I just don't think it's going to help your case."

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26410773/


Anthony defense witness list released 
 Last Edited: Friday, 21 Nov 2008, 10:53 AM EST 
Created: Friday, 21 Nov 2008, 10:52 AM EST 

ORANGE COUNTY, Fla. (WOFL FOX 35, Orlando) -- Jose Baez, the lawyer representing Casey Anthony, released his witness list Friday for her January murder trial.

The list is very short compared to the state’s list of 82 witnesses. Baez lists three witnesses who are all considered experts in their field of work.

Larry E. Daniel from Guardian Digital Forensics in Raleigh, North Carolina

Dr. Larry Kobilinsky from John Jay College of Criminal Justice, New York City

Dr. Henry Lee from the University of New Haven, Connecticut.

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/pages/Home/Detail?contentId=7917973&version=2&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=1.1.1


Anthony Defense Witness List Releasedhttp://www.wftv.com/news/18033701/detail.html

Oh wow, this meeting at the Anthony's house is what I was just writing about!  Hadn't seen this yet, thanks for posting it all!    

And Janet, keeping you and both families in my thoughts and prayers. 

[mammy]

IMO, Casey was working as an escort at some time.   The porn photo sure looks like her, so I'm sure she was into that as well.  As far as the keys, I'm not sure how they come in.  I don't believe they are to Amy's car as was stated in one of the statements and/or message logs.

[Dolce]

IIRC it was the Thomas Franck from Universal Events that was the fake one ...

I thought I read that there were several emails, all which were "work related".  If this is a "true" email than that is proof that Casey had a job.......???

I had not heard that this one was proven to be a fake ... I am assuming it might have been a "play job" (volunteer to look like a big shot at Fusians) I could be wrong .... She had just met Tony & crew so I would assume she just started hanging out w/this crowd ...

Interesting.  I will go and double check myself on the fake emails.  I was under the impression that LE stated that Casey had created numerous fake emails over a span of time as a way of proving to Cindy and George that she had a job.  This email posted on the thread mentions a Juliet, I thought this person did not in fact exist. 

[Fuzzball]

TOY If the costume of which you are speaking of is the one that is red and black with the cards around the boddess I have posted here before stating that I have that same costume from a few years back Halloween.  Mine was purchased at a costume/stage store called Center Stage in Gainesville, FL.  Gainesville is about 2 hours from Orlando and that store is frequented by many from all around as they have really well made costumes and are open year round.  They mostly cater to University of Florida.  You can also rent the costumes or option to buy for the more expensive price.  They also carry make up and accessories.

That's a lot of money for an unemployed person. I think the truth is that Casey was involved with something. And she was smart enough to fake that e-mail from Cheryl Davis, (who did she think was reading her e? Who was she trying so hard to fool, and why?)
Very believable.

Her being an escort could explain the $500,000 donor. It could explain her LE boyfriends and the weird behavior of her friends. It explains how an unemployed girl is renting costumes, buying booze, and running all over the place partying. But it doesn't explain the death of Caylee. There are millions of women who've worked in the sex industry and protected their children. Tony told her to come to the party but not bring Caylee. It wasn't a good place for a child.

[Fuzzball]

IIRC it was the Thomas Franck from Universal Events that was the fake one ...

I thought I read that there were several emails, all which were "work related".  If this is a "true" email than that is proof that Casey had a job.......???

I had not heard that this one was proven to be a fake ... I am assuming it might have been a "play job" (volunteer to look like a big shot at Fusians) I could be wrong .... She had just met Tony & crew so I would assume she just started hanging out w/this crowd ...

Interesting.  I will go and double check myself on the fake emails.  I was under the impression that LE stated that Casey had created numerous fake emails over a span of time as a way of proving to Cindy and George that she had a job.  This email posted on the thread mentions a Juliet, I thought this person did not in fact exist. 

I read that, too. There's no Juliet. That e-mail isn't really from Cheryl Davis, who has never worked with Casey and never heard of her. It's a fake Casey wrote up to make it look like she had a job.

[invision]

http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/Stories/Local/Anthony%20pgs%202801-2850%20f.pdf
pg 47

Good Call Dolce and joesamas mama  ...  My mistake for not researching before I posted!

Davis, Cheryl – East Coast VP, Marketing and Sales (from emails Lee took from Casey’s computer and gave to LE). One of the people Casey named as coworker or supervisor. According to Lee Turtora, she does not exist. The only employee by this name was a server for Pat O’Briens’s in CityWalk. There is no “East Coast VP” for Marketing and Sales.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=3626.0

[TOY]

Oh yeah, scheduling would have had to been an important thing, if they were taking turns using a place. 

And about the kids getting together and discussing what they remembered, what they were gonna say, etc, that's for sure 'collusion'.  However, the prosecution will likely to be able to use it as much as the defense could.  Cuz wasn't it mentioned early on somewhere, by someone, that right after Casey's first arrest Cindy had a few or more of the kids over to their house... to talk.  ???   

And the part of what you wrote that I bolded... I've been sitting here trying to figure out just how one goes about "destroying" a spare key.  And then I realized, duh on me, it probably wasn't a metal key at all, it was probably a plastic key, since it does say somewhere that Lee took it out of Casey's WALLET.  And really, with no one else having seen it, that key could have been to anything, with no one to call Lee a liar, since he destroyed it.   

Can you please provide the link to the docs stating that Lee took a key from Casey's wallet.  I have missed this information.  All I remember being taken from Casey's wallet was the $200 by Cindy and then another undescribed object from behind Casey's ID taken by a female OCS Officer...but told to detectives by Lee Anthony.

Boy, have my thoughts changed since the beginning of this!  I remember thinking that the lady LE probably took a condom that Casey kept in her billfold the way teenage boys sometimes do.  Hmmm, can we say sheltered and naive...LOL

[BooMonkey]

But we must remember that KC didn't kill Caylee b/c of Tony, she was looking up chloroform, neck breaking, shovel back in March. Before she met Tony. I still can't figure out the shovel search? WTH? Why would you do a search for shovel? To make sure you use the "correct" one for digging a grave? It doesn't make sense.
 

[Dolce]

Good Call Dolce and joesamas mama  ...  My mistake for not researching before I posted!

Davis, Cheryl – East Coast VP, Marketing and Sales (from emails Lee took from Casey’s computer and gave to LE). One of the people Casey named as coworker or supervisor. According to Lee Turtora, she does not exist. The only employee by this name was a server for Pat O’Briens’s in CityWalk. There is no “East Coast VP” for Marketing and Sales.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=3626.0

Thank you Invision for finding that and posting.  I am searching through past threads as well.  I have been losing my mind lately and really thought I was on a different planet there for a moment.  You always have great posts.