Natalee Case Discussion #782 12/5/08 - 12/6/08

[Kermit]

Kermit - can facial reconstruction be done on any of those skull photographs?

I don't know. For me, when Kyle showed me the photo of Natalee from the beach inside that cage based on his expertise in measuring, it was chilling.

[Tamikosmom]

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[Kermit]

Does Taco know he's coming on Scared Monkey's Radio or does he only know he's going to be talking to Dana?

He'll know when he hears DANA give the MONKEY Shout-out!

heh heh

[Kermit]

Just for accuracy, I didn't enlarge the colored skull pic. All I did was replace the 100% overall green as best I could with 15% white white mixed in (replacing 100% color green with an 85% green and 15% white mixture). I did that so the green wouldn't mix quite as much with the colors I wanted to replace. I did that for the whole area of the picture containing the shoe and skull. You'll see the rectangle in the big picture.

Then I ran a 10% blue/90% transparent over the stripes on the shoe. On the skull, I ran a 10% tan and 90% transparent over it. The transparent allows the details of the object to come through.

I did crop it, but saved the whole pic as well. Here's both:





The crop is exactly the same size as in the original.

I didn't try to replace the green with a white component before I started when I wanted to make the trio of spots in the lower left blue, and it wanted to turn pink because of the blend.

Gall dang it CBB that is an amazing photo.

[MumInOhio]

Natalee Holloway / LCD Archive / Re: Natalee Case Discussion #739 3/3 -  on: March 03, 2008, 08:34:25 PM
 
To clarify the thumb down issue:

-It was agreed immediately before the 30-Dec dive that 2 thumbs up (by Tim Trahan) meant positive ID on Natalee from something conclusive.
-One thumb up was to indicate human remains

-There was no set signal pre-dive for anything but the above scenarios.
 
By Tim's own admission, his observation of the inside of the trap (lasting a few seconds) was inconclusive. His signal indicated an inconclusive observation referring to the object said by some to be a skull, a hardened sponge by others...

What you can't see is immediately before Tim approached the trap opening, a large skate stirred up sediment reducing visibility.

The quick signal came because the dive time was nearly up .

Another post of Kyle's on page 23 or 24...

Goodnight!

[Kermit]

I just replaced color, and that really does look like a skull and shoe, to me anyway.

This is going to be very graphic, but it is one reason why I think that the remains might not have been Natalee, but rather Jalitza or someone else.  Jalitza's body had been prepared for burial which means that she was likely embalmed with her body tissues chemically preserved.  Her body would have been able to be moved, in tact.  Natalee was murdered, possibly dismembered, and reportedly moved several times in the Aruban heat before a final disposal.  Her body would have deteriorated in several days to a point where she would have been difficult to move.  Her body tissue would have started to decay and liquefy.  As with Caylee Anthony, there was certainly insect damage from maggots and beetles.  Insects can devour a human body in just several days.  After just a day or two, it would have been very difficult to move Natalee onboard a boat and then deposit her on the floor of a fish cage unless she was in a closed container.  It would have been like carrying a huge bag of spaghetti.  Her skin would have fallen off with just a touch.  The odor would have been unbearable. It would have been too difficult to put Natalee in that cage unless it was done very shortly after she died.

What if she were still in a bag or tarp as we have seen in the ARU-BAY videos?

There was a blue tarp about, I think Kyle said 60 ft from the trap.

[texasmom]

Does Taco know he's coming on Scared Monkey's Radio or does he only know he's going to be talking to Dana?

He'll know when he hears DANA give the MONKEY Shout-out!

heh heh

 

[Tamikosmom]

Kermit
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #780 11/26/08 -
« Reply #896 on: Today at 03:00:21 AM »

Kyle said: "We're being fed misinformation to keep us searching and out of their way while they cover their asses, destroy evidence, cover their tracks, and keep us out at sea and away from the trap."
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4182.msg564748;topicseen#msg564748



Caps posted:
#2830 on: February 28, 2008, 12:33:01 AM
.The sneaker is there....where is the sneaker is the remains
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2830.900

What was the date when when the first images of the cage was posted on the internet by Robin Holloway?

Thank you

Janet

[Red]

Does Taco know he's coming on Scared Monkey's Radio or does he only know he's going to be talking to Dana?

He'll know when he hears DANA give the MONKEY Shout-out!

heh heh

Some how I do not see Joe Tacopina having a beer with Red. 

[klaasend]

Does Taco know he's coming on Scared Monkey's Radio or does he only know he's going to be talking to Dana?

He'll know when he hears DANA give the MONKEY Shout-out!

heh heh

Some how I do not see Joe Tacopina having a beer with Red. 

[crazybabyborg]

Ask him if he's ever represented a client he knew was guilty.

[crazybabyborg]

He's represented a client that I know is guilty.

[Blonde]

Here is a sequence of screenshots I captured of the cage video/photos, if someone can pull them over that would be great.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2664.360

Here are all the screen shots/photos of the cage in chronological order.

I believe the last photo here shows the divers retrieving items from the cage. If you watch the film it is clearer as the camera is panning to the right and blurs the screen capture. It appears there is a lot of cloudiness coming from the ocean floor, which is something you can see in other parts fo the video. And I agree with others, the white item on the top of the cage--whatever it was, was collected.

*If this post is something we shouldn't get into I appologize and just delete it*


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[wreck]

This stinks to high heaven!

When you get a chance Wreck.Watch the Dive video from dateline and give your opinion on what Tim Miller says??AzLady has a link a page or two back.Look forward to your input..TIA

Clearly saying "Bullshit" -- just me, but if it was mere "disappointment" at not finding anything -- I would cuss differently. "Bullshit" implies "doubt" at the findings. Simply saying "Shit!" or "F_ _ _" implies "disapointment".

[SS]

Blonde - the network stamp is on both of those dates.  Did they film two days in a row?

[Red]

He's represented a client that I know is guilty.

I may have to do a little rebuttal at the end of Dana's show to the defense attys.

[Kat_Gram]

They were right there, so close, yet it got buggered.
It should have been conclusively YES or NO, not leaving this room for this doubt. I
waffle back and forth. Everything about the search was so scientific. Everything was calculated. Except .. the actual recovery of whatever was in that cage. Does that seem strange to anyone ? So many experts on that boat,the latest in equipment. Leave it to humans with their own stupid reasons for doing this.
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Why was Tim a liability at that point ?

[crazybabyborg]

He's represented a client that I know is guilty.

I may have to do a little rebuttal at the end of Dana's show to the defense attys.

 

You go, Red!!!

[SS]

This stinks to high heaven!

When you get a chance Wreck.Watch the Dive video from dateline and give your opinion on what Tim Miller says??AzLady has a link a page or two back.Look forward to your input..TIA

Clearly saying "Bullshit" -- just me, but if it was mere "disappointment" at not finding anything -- I would cuss differently. "Bullshit" implies "doubt" at the findings. Simply saying "Shit!" or "F_ _ _" implies "disapointment".

I agree with you Wreck and I wonder if it was planned that they would attempt to dupe Tim.  If he wasn't buying into the explanation, maybe this was the reason why he was shipped off to Nicaragua.

[Kat_Gram]

Oh, forget it. Was bad words.
Defense attorneys in Canada do not go on TV and discuss evidence like they do in the USA. They are never elevated to " stars "  on Network shows. That's my beef of the day. They write books or comment afterwards but never try to influence the public in any way or fashion pre trial. Our way of doing things is similar to England. Except for Quebec and who knows what they do.