Natalee Case Discussion #782 12/5/08 - 12/6/08

[2NJSons_Mom]

Just remembered the day Sharon noticed a post in the Jan Van der Straten thread.....now wonder if something was brewing a couple of weeks ago, before Rudy spoke up...or not...another coincidental post?  Hmmmmm

i would like to ask people to stop speculating my uncle's involvement. I find it awful to read how people disregard him. If you have any questions regarding him, please PM me, private.

Thank you.

Marieke

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=3028.20

[SS]

One thought I have on this gal Jalitza
Is the Holiday Inn video showing a gal who looked like Natalee. Beth took a look at the video and discounted it as NOT Natalee..
Was it actually Jalitza on that video ?
Part of an early plan to deceive and then eliminated..
Just a thought.

Edward, I believe the video Beth said was not Natalee was taken in a jewelry store (maybe in a hotel lobby, if I recall).  The video in the Holiday Inn casino of Natalee at the Blackjack table was identified as Natalee, as were videos of her walking into the casino.  Now, which video are you referencing?

The hotel lobby is the video I am referring to. thank you

Edward - I forgot to mention that during the summer of 2005, someone badly vandalized only the Wever and Oduber crypts in the cemetery.  Was this possibly an act of retaliation because somone knew that the dirty hands had switched Jalitza Wever for Natalee?

[AZLady]

Buckshot,

Good advice. While I think the cage story is important, it's more important to go back to the beginning.

In fact, I think more focus should be on the van der sloot house.

Jan van der straaten "saw" the evidence, meaning, I believe, that he saw Natalee.

Karin Janssen and Jan van der straaten gave Paulus 10 days. This alone is so incredibly sickening.

IMO Frank they've got enough to arrest Van der Straten RIGHT NOW for obstruction of justice. There are two eye witness accounts of Jan saying he couldn't arrest his best friend's son. They need to haul Straten in and let him start spilling the beans and then the house of cards will start to crumble.

You have both been around since very early.  Do you recall that the first translation of what vd Straten actually said was "Because I have seen the evidence and you haven't!" 

Then later it got changed, as did so many things, to having seen the investigative evidence or investigation.  But originally it was translated as though he meant he had seen the proof that Natalee was dead.

Same as no corpse, no case morphed into no body, no case as it just sounds so much nicer than what was actually said.

MO

Yes, I recall that, Anna.  I also remember a woman from the family (was it Beth's sister or Dave's sister?) who spoke to Van der Straaten on the beach when they were looking for Natalee.  She interpreted what he said to mean that he knew Natalee was dead.  I need to look that one up.

[klaasend]

Just remembered the day Sharon noticed a post in the Jan Van der Straten thread.....now wonder if something was brewing a couple of weeks ago, before Rudy spoke up...or not...another coincidental post?  Hmmmmm

i would like to ask people to stop speculating my uncle's involvement. I find it awful to read how people disregard him. If you have any questions regarding him, please PM me, private.

Thank you.

Marieke

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=3028.20

Ah, good point.  I had forgotten about this post. 

[Frank]

Has Jossy Mansur written anything like an editorial in Diario this week?

[Dayhiker]

One more chi ching of 2 cents on this:

BECAUSE of the way this case has been corrupted by all who should have been investigating it, the door has always been wide open to explore any possibilities. In fact, the corruption is so deep, the cover-up so incredulous, the arrogance so blatent, that there just aren't any borders that define what could have happened, even when looked at by very reasonable people.

ITA. Like Beth said CBB, it goes all the way to the Hague!!!

[Anna]

Could Jossy be saying Geerman or Gearman as that is a very common name in Aruba.  Mr. Geerman?

Even Werleman...that was mentioned yesterday.

Yes, another common name and one that has been loosely associated with the case.

Now watch it turn out to be none of these or anything even close, lol.

[Ono]

One more chi ching of 2 cents on this:

BECAUSE of the way this case has been corrupted by all who should have been investigating it, the door has always been wide open to explore any possibilities. In fact, the corruption is so deep, the cover-up so incredulous, the arrogance so blatent, that there just aren't any borders that define what could have happened, even when looked at by very reasonable people.

So true....I still vivedly remember Jug stating on TV so early on that this case will shock the world.  His instincts and summation were so completely correct.

[Frank]

Probably not a good number now, but van der straaten's cell phone number at the time Natalee went missing was:

0112979667099

Maybe someone with good contacts can do something with it.

[sharon]

Just remembered the day Sharon noticed a post in the Jan Van der Straten thread.....now wonder if something was brewing a couple of weeks ago, before Rudy spoke up...or not...another coincidental post?  Hmmmmm

i would like to ask people to stop speculating my uncle's involvement. I find it awful to read how people disregard him. If you have any questions regarding him, please PM me, private.

Thank you.

Marieke

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=3028.20



 

Ignore my email

 

[SS]

Can a Mod please help me???

Somewhere in the past few weeks one of Kermit's cage photographs was posted with the shoe enlarged.  If I recall, the white shoe with blue stripes was identified.  Could someone please bring that photograph up.  Thanks so much in advance.

[AZLady]

The war between Van der Stratten and Croes was probably a while in the making.  Maybe Croes decided that the only way to close this case was to offer a scapegoat.  But, this particular accusation against Van der Stratten also covers the Minister of Justice with the same mud because he is/was the ultimate party responsible for the actions of the police.  That is what puzzle me here.  I'm beginning to think that Croes knows he's going down, and he's going to take the rest of them with him. 

[Tamikosmom]

LDSTLOU - in a due respect, we can focus on more than one issue at a time.  The fact the Rudy is calling out Van der Straaten is not lost on any of us.  We have not lost sight nor dismissed the possibility of FINALLY something happening, some kind of justice in Aruba.

That said, it has no bearing on side discussions of how we got to to this point and where Natalee was disposed of/hidden.

I am done. When in the heck did I say NOT to focus on something???!!! Let me reiterate!!!! kermit is saying in one breath the family has Natalee's body and is hiding that fact from the world. In another breath that the ALE has her body and Kyle was complicit in that cover up. I am saying BULLSHIT to both!!!! Why am I saying bullshit? Because I asked Jug and gave you his answer...and you know I asked him Klaas. Now the references that I am a liar...and the family is lying...and I simply STATING!!!! what Jug asked me to convey to you all this morning...to pray and focus on van der straaten!!! I never once said what to discuss or not to discuss...with all due respect!

Lou ... don't go!!  If you stay ... I will send you a Christmas parcel and ... I will request that UPS have it special delivery by one of their best looking "single" driver.  Think very carefully about my offer.  Tomorrow could be the first day of a new life.

 

Lou ... could you please direct me to where Kermit claimed that the family had Natalee's remains.  My understand is that the entire contents of the cage are in the possession of ALE.

I am one with SS in what this entire issue encompasses.  Lou ... there were withheld images that were spared ALE destruction and ... I believe that was a good thing.  However ... according to Kermit ... rather than turning these images over to Beth as he first intended ... Kyle has second thoughts and ... attempted to make a deal with some networks.

Janet

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Kermit
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #780 11/26/08 -
« Reply #902 on: Today at 03:09:00 AM »

Kyle said: "The Aruban divers were on the police boat, dove from their boat, and returned to their boat."

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4182.msg564763#msg564763


ocean exploration (Kyle)
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #744 3/19 -
« Reply #201 on: March 19, 2008, 08:21:47 PM »

We had little option other than to have the Aruban dive division recover the samples and bring them back under their care.  Remember we are Americans working in Aruban waters, subject to their laws, invitation, and blessing.  Our hands are tied for the most part. I personally was extremely uncomfortable with the chain of custody, being that we weren't a part of it, but I was powerless to do anything about it.   The samples were photographed in detail by one Aruban diver and the other two investigated the contents of the trap, the dimensions, the rigging, and what surrounded the trap.  From the video, it looked like they did a diligent and careful job with the samples and the underwater photography.  I don't know who has these pictures, but I must assume ALE.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2721.msg366857#msg366857

[Anna]

Buckshot,

Good advice. While I think the cage story is important, it's more important to go back to the beginning.

In fact, I think more focus should be on the van der sloot house.

Jan van der straaten "saw" the evidence, meaning, I believe, that he saw Natalee.

Karin Janssen and Jan van der straaten gave Paulus 10 days. This alone is so incredibly sickening.

IMO Frank they've got enough to arrest Van der Straten RIGHT NOW for obstruction of justice. There are two eye witness accounts of Jan saying he couldn't arrest his best friend's son. They need to haul Straten in and let him start spilling the beans and then the house of cards will start to crumble.

You have both been around since very early.  Do you recall that the first translation of what vd Straten actually said was "Because I have seen the evidence and you haven't!" 

Then later it got changed, as did so many things, to having seen the investigative evidence or investigation.  But originally it was translated as though he meant he had seen the proof that Natalee was dead.

Same as no corpse, no case morphed into no body, no case as it just sounds so much nicer than what was actually said.

MO

Yes, I recall that, Anna.  I also remember a woman from the family (was it Beth's sister or Dave's sister?) who spoke to Van der Straaten on the beach when they were looking for Natalee.  She interpreted what he said to mean that he knew Natalee was dead.  I need to look that one up.

I think it was Linda Allison.   He was maybe explaining two theiries when someone interrupted him?  And maye said to Carl Penhaul?  Yes, I am more confusion than help on this but I do know what he said was totally taken to mean he had seen the body at the time and only later modified for whatever reasons.  To correct it or to change it I don't know.

[Dayhiker]

Buckshot,

Good advice. While I think the cage story is important, it's more important to go back to the beginning.

In fact, I think more focus should be on the van der sloot house.

Jan van der straaten "saw" the evidence, meaning, I believe, that he saw Natalee.

Karin Janssen and Jan van der straaten gave Paulus 10 days. This alone is so incredibly sickening.

IMO Frank they've got enough to arrest Van der Straten RIGHT NOW for obstruction of justice. There are two eye witness accounts of Jan saying he couldn't arrest his best friend's son. They need to haul Straten in and let him start spilling the beans and then the house of cards will start to crumble.

You have both been around since very early.  Do you recall that the first translation of what vd Straten actually said was "Because I have seen the evidence and you haven't!" 

Then later it got changed, as did so many things, to having seen the investigative evidence or investigation.  But originally it was translated as though he meant he had seen the proof that Natalee was dead.

Same as no corpse, no case morphed into no body, no case as it just sounds so much nicer than what was actually said.

MO

ATA/AHATA and their internet and media trolls twisted everything from Dutch law to transcripts to evidence. Now that we know that ATA/AHATA was running the investigation with Joran's lawyer, Paulus' business partner, Antonio Carlo sitting on the board they need to bust them along with Vander Straten and Karin Jannsen. They need to bring the whole damned house down, and drag Cohen, Vilella, Pauley and all the other traitorous Americans down with them.

[AZLady]

That's what I remember Linda Allison saying.  She was very convinced that van der Stratten indicated he had seen the body.  This was quite early in the case.

[2NJSons_Mom]

Can a Mod please help me???

Somewhere in the past few weeks one of Kermit's cage photographs was posted with the shoe enlarged.  If I recall, the white shoe with blue stripes was identified.  Could someone please bring that photograph up.  Thanks so much in advance.

I'll look for you, but I'm not the quickest Mod on the squad.   

[klaasend]

Can a Mod please help me???

Somewhere in the past few weeks one of Kermit's cage photographs was posted with the shoe enlarged.  If I recall, the white shoe with blue stripes was identified.  Could someone please bring that photograph up.  Thanks so much in advance.

LaLamom, hopefully this will help clear up. throw out what you think you know and just follow the truth



March 8, 2008 CAPS POSTED - "I hope tomorrow we will have the final links into a final resolution about the pond. This coming week is THE DAY.
Me and J & W and the C's are all in agreement now that it must be there.
scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2680.560

J = John Silvetti

grave robbers





Greta van Sustern: "He's lying


COVER-UP

DOLPH RICHARDSON

Aruba divers arriving. WHY? Where are the American's? Where is Tim Miller? Where is Hodges? Where is Dateline?
Who was in charge - go back and start at the beginning of this post.



1 tennis shoe inside cage




Joran: "She's in the ocean


Look at the distance from shore.




private eye March 20, 2008
Kyle I specifically mentioned the blue denim and the fact that would be the material of which the skirt was made,
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2721.440

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Hans Mos
Dolph Richardson
Aruban divers
John Silvetti

COVER-UP

[Anna]

That's what I remember Linda Allison saying.  She was very convinced that van der Stratten indicated he had seen the body.  This was quite early in the case.

Exactly!  Then we were all very surprised when it was retracted and changed into he had only seen the evidence of the investigation.

[Dayhiker]

The war between Van der Stratten and Croes was probably a while in the making.  Maybe Croes decided that the only way to close this case was to offer a scapegoat.  But, this particular accusation against Van der Stratten also covers the Minister of Justice with the same mud because he is/was the ultimate party responsible for the actions of the police.  That is what puzzle me here.  I'm beginning to think that Croes knows he's going down, and he's going to take the rest of them with him. 

 
Next up bring Karin Jannsen into the corruption loop. She knew the evidence, she had to agree on delaying the arrest of J2K, she would have had to sign off on the security guards' arrest. It's now time to bring her fat ass into the spotlight.