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bleachedblack
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #782 12/5/08 -
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Quote from: SS on December 06, 2008, 07:09:45 PM
Kermit sent this yesterday. Does it help?
Size might work, though I am skeptical. How could a trap that heavy be carried on a boat in such a manner? Is it really possible? Those traps are heavy, how much? 3 hundred pounds?
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #782 12/5/08 -
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Quote from: wreck on December 06, 2008, 07:11:40 PM
Quote from: johan555 on December 06, 2008, 07:08:36 PM
Pic #1 is most telling! 1.7 meters = approx 5' +
hmmm, let me re-think that, the cage isn't 40'+ ft across is it?
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Quote from: bleachedblack on December 06, 2008, 07:04:05 PM
Do you like my Christmas avatar with the swinging balls? Thanks to CBB...
BB they are certainly a lot more impressive than Joran's decorations.
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #782 12/5/08 -
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OE Reply #682 on: March 18, 2008, 10:28:45 AM »
I learned from a source that there is only one place/person(?) on Aruba where a large commercial fish trap would have originated. This should make it a reasonable venture figuring out who's trap we found. The next logical move would be after finding them, asking them to explain their missing trap. 1) How did they lose it 2) why was it lost where it was 3) what were it's contents when it was "lost" and 3) what boat was used to transport the trap.
Any ideas of who may have possessed such a trap?
Approx.
7.5 x 7.5 x 2.5ft
, and 200-300lbs, hundreds of feet of rope complete with 4-point rigging.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2705.msg366260#msg366260
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #782 12/5/08 -
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Quote from: wreck on December 06, 2008, 07:14:51 PM
Quote from: wreck on December 06, 2008, 07:11:40 PM
Quote from: johan555 on December 06, 2008, 07:08:36 PM
Pic #1 is most telling! 1.7 meters = approx 5' +
hmmm, let me re-think that, the cage isn't 40'+ ft across is it?
Do you want me to figure it out for you???
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #782 12/5/08 -
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OE
This trap could not have "fallen" from a commercial fishing ship ( such as a shipped docked for repairs, etc.) because of the depth and location.
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Falling is highly unlikely given it's location and condition
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This trap was not lowered by crane, or whatever because it wasn't situated in a position that demonstrated "lowering", unless one end was really weighted down? I would think the ropes etc, to the crane would level it?
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Lowering by a windlass or winch would not explain the impact depression from one corner of the trap. If it were leveled, one would assume it would fall level. This is further supported because the 4-point rigging was still on the trap.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2705.720
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #782 12/5/08 -
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Quote from: Tibrogargan on December 06, 2008, 07:17:26 PM
Quote from: bleachedblack on December 06, 2008, 07:04:05 PM
Do you like my Christmas avatar with the swinging balls? Thanks to CBB...
BB they are certainly a lot more impressive than Joran's decorations.
Makes me think of an AC DC song "Big Balls"
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #782 12/5/08 -
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December 06, 2008, 07:24:56 PM »
Quote from: Buckeye on December 06, 2008, 07:20:36 PM
OE Reply #682 on: March 18, 2008, 10:28:45 AM »
I learned from a source that there is only one place/person(?) on Aruba where a large commercial fish trap would have originated. This should make it a reasonable venture figuring out who's trap we found. The next logical move would be after finding them, asking them to explain their missing trap. 1) How did they lose it 2) why was it lost where it was 3) what were it's contents when it was "lost" and 3) what boat was used to transport the trap.
Any ideas of who may have possessed such a trap?
Approx.
7.5 x 7.5 x 2.5ft
, and 200-300lbs, hundreds of feet of rope complete with 4-point rigging.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2705.msg366260#msg366260
At 7.5 x 7.5 x 2.5ft each section is about 2.3 x 2.3 x 2.5.
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RoxiBalboa
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #782 12/5/08 -
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If the trap is 7.5x7.5 then the part you are looking at with the bags would be 2.5x2.5.
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #782 12/5/08 -
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December 06, 2008, 07:27:35 PM »
Quote from: bleachedblack on December 06, 2008, 07:12:28 PM
Quote from: SS on December 06, 2008, 07:09:45 PM
Kermit sent this yesterday. Does it help?
Size might work, though I am skeptical. How could a trap that heavy be carried on a boat in such a manner? Is it really possible? Those traps are heavy, how much? 3 hundred pounds?
If this trap is a drug drop-off point, wouldn't the trap already have been in the ocean and someone dove down with her body and put her inside? Wasn't it said somewhere that this trap was in the vicinity of an old shipwreck that people dive to? Makes sense to me the trap was already there being used for drug drop offs and whoever got rid of the body took her there and dumped her. JMO
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #782 12/5/08 -
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Any thoughts about this? Paulus was working at the Justice Ministry when Natalee vanished
by Greta Van Susteren
FYI
Aruban police head allegedly shielded pal
ORANJESTAD, Aruba, Dec. 5 (UPI) – The Aruban justice minister charged Thursday that the police commissioner stalled an investigation into a U.S. teen’s disappearance. The minister, Rudy Croes, said the commissioner, Jan van der Straten, was concerned because the lead suspect was the son of a friend, Radio Netherlands reported.Natalee Holloway came to Aruba with other members of the senior class at a high school in the suburbs of Birmingham, Ala., on a class trip in 2005. She vanished after leaving a bar.
Joran van der Sloot has been arrested twice in the case and released both times. In December 2007, the prosecutor said there was not enough evidence to charge anyone and declared the case closed.
Aruba, a former colony of the Netherlands, is a separate country under the Dutch crown. Croes also accused Dutch officials of not giving adequate support to the investigation in Aruba.
Paulus van der Sloot, Joran’s father, was working for the Justice Ministry at the time of Holloway’s disappearance.
greatawire.foxnews.com
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #782 12/5/08 -
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December 06, 2008, 07:29:39 PM »
Quote from: Blue Moon of KY on December 06, 2008, 07:27:35 PM
Quote from: bleachedblack on December 06, 2008, 07:12:28 PM
Quote from: SS on December 06, 2008, 07:09:45 PM
Kermit sent this yesterday. Does it help?
Size might work, though I am skeptical. How could a trap that heavy be carried on a boat in such a manner? Is it really possible? Those traps are heavy, how much? 3 hundred pounds?
If this trap is a drug drop-off point, wouldn't the trap already have been in the ocean and someone dove down with her body and put her inside? Wasn't it said somewhere that this trap was in the vicinity of an old shipwreck that people dive to? Makes sense to me the trap was already there being used for drug drop offs and whoever got rid of the body took her there and dumped her. JMO
I remember Kyle saying it had been there years but not tens of years...not lowered to bottom and didn't fall off a commercial boat....
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Quote from: RoxiBalboa on December 06, 2008, 07:26:13 PM
If the trap is 7.5x7.5 then the part you are looking at with the bags would be 2.5x2.5.
I agree.....30 inches across...with each little square about 1.5 inches wide.
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #782 12/5/08 -
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December 06, 2008, 07:31:26 PM »
Quote from: bleachedblack on December 06, 2008, 07:12:28 PM
Quote from: SS on December 06, 2008, 07:09:45 PM
Kermit sent this yesterday. Does it help?
Size might work, though I am skeptical. How could a trap that heavy be carried on a boat in such a manner? Is it really possible? Those traps are heavy, how much? 3 hundred pounds?
I thought we were told that it required a crane to lift it.
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #782 12/5/08 -
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So if each section is 30" then is the diagonal of each section approx 42"? I measured from my head down to my upper thigh and it was approx 36", I am 5' 0" tall. So it's
possible
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Quote from: klaasend on December 06, 2008, 07:35:00 PM
So if each section is 30" then is the diagonal of each section approx 42"? I measured from my head down to my upper thigh and it was approx 36", I am 5' 0" tall. So it's
possible
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Klaas - you're really short!
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #782 12/5/08 -
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December 06, 2008, 07:37:47 PM »
Quote from: SS on December 06, 2008, 07:36:37 PM
Quote from: klaasend on December 06, 2008, 07:35:00 PM
So if each section is 30" then is the diagonal of each section approx 42"? I measured from my head down to my upper thigh and it was approx 36", I am 5' 0" tall. So it's
possible
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Klaas - you're really short!
Yep, but dynamite comes in small packages!
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #782 12/5/08 -
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December 06, 2008, 07:40:20 PM »
Quote from: SS on December 06, 2008, 07:36:37 PM
Quote from: klaasend on December 06, 2008, 07:35:00 PM
So if each section is 30" then is the diagonal of each section approx 42"? I measured from my head down to my upper thigh and it was approx 36", I am 5' 0" tall. So it's
possible
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Klaas - you're really short!
I didn;t know you were tiny too, Klaasend!!!! I am 4'9 1/2
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #782 12/5/08 -
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Quote from: Blue Moon of KY on December 06, 2008, 07:27:35 PM
Quote from: bleachedblack on December 06, 2008, 07:12:28 PM
Quote from: SS on December 06, 2008, 07:09:45 PM
Kermit sent this yesterday. Does it help?
Size might work, though I am skeptical. How could a trap that heavy be carried on a boat in such a manner? Is it really possible? Those traps are heavy, how much? 3 hundred pounds?
If this trap is a drug drop-off point, wouldn't the trap already have been in the ocean and someone dove down with her body and put her inside? Wasn't it said somewhere that this trap was in the vicinity of an old shipwreck that people dive to? Makes sense to me the trap was already there being used for drug drop offs and whoever got rid of the body took her there and dumped her. JMO
Hi Blue Moon of KY, If it was a drug drop off point, the next time some drug dealer went to use it they would find the body, right? Didn't Paulus make some statement like 'find the body and prove it'?
Also, looking at the trap with the 2 divers it seems to me the men are too small. I know depth perception is tricky. Just a few thoughts ;}
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I'm height impared.
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