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Author Topic: Natalee Case Discussion #782 12/5/08 - 12/6/08  (Read 275528 times)
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« Reply #920 on: December 06, 2008, 07:12:28 PM »

Kermit sent this yesterday.  Does it help?

Size might work, though I am skeptical. How could a trap that heavy be carried on a boat in such a manner? Is it really possible? Those traps are heavy, how much? 3 hundred pounds?
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« Reply #921 on: December 06, 2008, 07:14:51 PM »




Pic #1 is most telling! 1.7 meters = approx 5' +
hmmm, let me re-think that,  the cage isn't 40'+ ft across is it?
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« Reply #922 on: December 06, 2008, 07:17:26 PM »

Do you like my Christmas avatar with the swinging balls? Thanks to CBB...


BB they are certainly a lot more impressive than Joran's decorations.
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« Reply #923 on: December 06, 2008, 07:20:36 PM »

OE Reply #682 on: March 18, 2008, 10:28:45 AM »
   
I learned from a source that there is only one place/person(?) on Aruba where a large commercial fish trap would have originated.  This should make it a reasonable venture figuring out who's trap we found.  The next logical move would be after finding them, asking them to explain their missing trap.  1) How did they lose it  2) why was it lost where it was 3) what were it's contents when it was "lost" and 3) what boat was used to transport the trap.

Any ideas of who may have possessed such a trap?
Approx. 7.5 x 7.5 x 2.5ft, and 200-300lbs, hundreds of feet of rope complete with 4-point rigging. 

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2705.msg366260#msg366260
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« Reply #924 on: December 06, 2008, 07:20:43 PM »




Pic #1 is most telling! 1.7 meters = approx 5' +
hmmm, let me re-think that,  the cage isn't 40'+ ft across is it?
Do you want me to figure it out for you???   
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« Reply #925 on: December 06, 2008, 07:23:55 PM »

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This trap could not have "fallen" from a commercial fishing ship ( such as a shipped docked for repairs, etc.) because of the depth and location.
- Falling is highly unlikely given it's location and condition.

This trap was not lowered by crane, or whatever because it wasn't situated in a position that demonstrated "lowering", unless one end was really weighted down? I would think the ropes etc, to the crane would level it?
-Lowering by a windlass or winch would not explain the impact depression from one corner of the trap.  If it were leveled, one would assume it would fall level.  This is further supported because the 4-point rigging was still on the trap.


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« Reply #926 on: December 06, 2008, 07:24:25 PM »

Do you like my Christmas avatar with the swinging balls? Thanks to CBB...


BB they are certainly a lot more impressive than Joran's decorations.

  Makes me think of an AC DC song "Big Balls"  
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« Reply #927 on: December 06, 2008, 07:24:56 PM »

OE Reply #682 on: March 18, 2008, 10:28:45 AM »
   
I learned from a source that there is only one place/person(?) on Aruba where a large commercial fish trap would have originated.  This should make it a reasonable venture figuring out who's trap we found.  The next logical move would be after finding them, asking them to explain their missing trap.  1) How did they lose it  2) why was it lost where it was 3) what were it's contents when it was "lost" and 3) what boat was used to transport the trap.

Any ideas of who may have possessed such a trap?
Approx. 7.5 x 7.5 x 2.5ft, and 200-300lbs, hundreds of feet of rope complete with 4-point rigging. 

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2705.msg366260#msg366260

At 7.5 x 7.5 x 2.5ft each section is about 2.3 x 2.3 x 2.5.
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« Reply #928 on: December 06, 2008, 07:26:13 PM »

If the trap is 7.5x7.5 then the part you are looking at with the bags would be 2.5x2.5. 
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« Reply #929 on: December 06, 2008, 07:27:35 PM »

Kermit sent this yesterday.  Does it help?

Size might work, though I am skeptical. How could a trap that heavy be carried on a boat in such a manner? Is it really possible? Those traps are heavy, how much? 3 hundred pounds?

If this trap is a drug drop-off point, wouldn't the trap already have been in the ocean and someone dove down with her body and put her inside?  Wasn't it said somewhere that this trap was in the vicinity of an old shipwreck that people dive to?  Makes sense to me the trap was already there being used for drug drop offs and whoever got rid of the body took her there and dumped her. JMO
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« Reply #930 on: December 06, 2008, 07:29:32 PM »

Any thoughts about this? Paulus was working at the Justice Ministry when Natalee vanished
by Greta Van Susteren
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Aruban police head allegedly shielded pal
ORANJESTAD, Aruba, Dec. 5 (UPI) – The Aruban justice minister charged Thursday that the police commissioner stalled an investigation into a U.S. teen’s disappearance. The minister, Rudy Croes, said the commissioner, Jan van der Straten, was concerned because the lead suspect was the son of a friend, Radio Netherlands reported.Natalee Holloway came to Aruba with other members of the senior class at a high school in the suburbs of Birmingham, Ala., on a class trip in 2005. She vanished after leaving a bar.

Joran van der Sloot has been arrested twice in the case and released both times. In December 2007, the prosecutor said there was not enough evidence to charge anyone and declared the case closed.

Aruba, a former colony of the Netherlands, is a separate country under the Dutch crown. Croes also accused Dutch officials of not giving adequate support to the investigation in Aruba.

Paulus van der Sloot, Joran’s father, was working for the Justice Ministry at the time of Holloway’s disappearance.


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« Reply #931 on: December 06, 2008, 07:29:39 PM »

Kermit sent this yesterday.  Does it help?

Size might work, though I am skeptical. How could a trap that heavy be carried on a boat in such a manner? Is it really possible? Those traps are heavy, how much? 3 hundred pounds?

If this trap is a drug drop-off point, wouldn't the trap already have been in the ocean and someone dove down with her body and put her inside?  Wasn't it said somewhere that this trap was in the vicinity of an old shipwreck that people dive to?  Makes sense to me the trap was already there being used for drug drop offs and whoever got rid of the body took her there and dumped her. JMO

I remember Kyle saying it had been there years but not tens of years...not lowered to bottom and didn't fall off a commercial boat....
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« Reply #932 on: December 06, 2008, 07:31:21 PM »

If the trap is 7.5x7.5 then the part you are looking at with the bags would be 2.5x2.5. 

I agree.....30 inches across...with each little square about 1.5 inches wide.
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« Reply #933 on: December 06, 2008, 07:31:26 PM »

Kermit sent this yesterday.  Does it help?

Size might work, though I am skeptical. How could a trap that heavy be carried on a boat in such a manner? Is it really possible? Those traps are heavy, how much? 3 hundred pounds?



I thought we were told that it required a crane to lift it.
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« Reply #934 on: December 06, 2008, 07:35:00 PM »

So if each section is 30" then is the diagonal of each section approx 42"?  I measured from my head down to my upper thigh and it was approx 36", I am 5' 0" tall.  So it's possible.


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« Reply #935 on: December 06, 2008, 07:36:37 PM »

So if each section is 30" then is the diagonal of each section approx 42"?  I measured from my head down to my upper thigh and it was approx 36", I am 5' 0" tall.  So it's possible.







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« Reply #936 on: December 06, 2008, 07:37:47 PM »

So if each section is 30" then is the diagonal of each section approx 42"?  I measured from my head down to my upper thigh and it was approx 36", I am 5' 0" tall.  So it's possible.







Klaas - you're really short!

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« Reply #937 on: December 06, 2008, 07:40:20 PM »

So if each section is 30" then is the diagonal of each section approx 42"?  I measured from my head down to my upper thigh and it was approx 36", I am 5' 0" tall.  So it's possible.







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I didn;t know you were tiny too, Klaasend!!!!  I am 4'9 1/2
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« Reply #938 on: December 06, 2008, 07:41:12 PM »

Kermit sent this yesterday.  Does it help?

Size might work, though I am skeptical. How could a trap that heavy be carried on a boat in such a manner? Is it really possible? Those traps are heavy, how much? 3 hundred pounds?

If this trap is a drug drop-off point, wouldn't the trap already have been in the ocean and someone dove down with her body and put her inside?  Wasn't it said somewhere that this trap was in the vicinity of an old shipwreck that people dive to?  Makes sense to me the trap was already there being used for drug drop offs and whoever got rid of the body took her there and dumped her. JMO


Hi Blue Moon of KY,  If it was a drug drop off point, the next time some drug dealer went to use it they would find the body, right?   Didn't Paulus make some statement like 'find the body and prove it'?

Also, looking at the trap with the 2 divers it seems to me the men are too small.  I know depth perception is tricky.  Just a few thoughts ;}
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« Reply #939 on: December 06, 2008, 07:41:14 PM »

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