Natalee Case Discussion #782 12/5/08 - 12/6/08

[bleachedblack]

i think these are arm bones nr 21

#21 is 1 bone humerus, forearm has 2 bones radius /ulna

[truthseeker2]

So did OE perform this overlay of Natalee based on that pic?  The one taken at 15:40 on 12/30...that would have been captured while the divers were in the water giving a thumbs down signal?  The shot made at 15:40 that nobody seemed to see on the monitors of the Persistence?  I thought when Tim called Dave he used that same terminology of "99.9% sure".  No?

Is someone monkeying around with the Monkeys?

TruthSeeker you are right!  According to what Kyle has said, Tim did see his overlay and calculations.  Oh, my God.


Look toward the rear of the photograph above.  Does this answer your earlier question about the cage?

Which photo.  (there are quite a few photos above.  And what do YOU see at the rear of the photo?)

This one.  It doesn't look like there's an opening at the rear of the cage.  Is this what you were asking?

Well, from the angle of this shot it may be difficult to see that opening on the side of the cage.  There is a sliver of 'light' there that could be it.  Hard to tell, though.

[truthseeker2]

In the one picture, it looks like a reflection of a skelton.

This one???

   Hard to tell, though, with those distracting red numbers all over it. 

[WhiskeyGirl]

With Kyle's estimate, the cage is 7.5 feet (80 inches) wide.  I count about 20 little squares across. That would make each square about 4 inches square.

Are there any shots of the cage with a known object inside?  A ruler?  

Like when someone puts a penny next to an object to show it's size?  

I don't know where that cartwheel came from.  I tried to post this for like 10 minutes!

[Tamikosmom]

Do we know which exact image or information Tim was relying on when he told Dave he was 99.9% certain that had found what they were looking for?

The search for Natalee Holloway
TRANSCRIPT
By Chris Hansen
Correspondent
NBC News
updated 5:20 p.m. PT, Fri., Feb. 22, 2008

Tim Miller: I stepped on the boat and said “Natalee we're coming to get you.” Now we're finally coming to get you. And I still believe that from the bottom of my heart. She's out here and now we're on our way.

Over the holiday season, the crew of the persistence worked day and night to survey the ocean floor and look for targets that could hold the key to finding Natalee.

On Christmas Eve sonar pictures revealed what looked like a large trap, almost exactly where Tim Miller theorized it would be.

And on Dec. 29 the crew dropped a remote operated vehicle, or ROV, into the water to get a closer look.

Tim Miller: It looked like a skull. Still looks like a skull.

... In my years of searching we have seen several bodies, skeletal remains--I have seen my own daughter's skeletal remains. I can’t help but believe at this moment that that is human remains in that crab trap.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23301056/page/4/

The search for Natalee Holloway
TRANSCRIPT
By Chris Hansen
Correspondent
NBC News
updated 5:20 p.m. PT, Fri., Feb. 22, 2008

Dave Holloway: I got a phone call from Tim.

Chris Hansen: And what'd he say?

Dave Holloway: He told me, he said, "Dave, we found her."

Chris Hansen: "We found her?"

Dave Holloway: Yeah. I said, "Are you sure?" and he said, "I’m 99.9 percent sure." He said, "We hadn't gone down and dove under or anything. But the photographs--" he said, "I tell you, Dave." I-- he said, "That's what we're looking for. And that's gotta-- that-- that's it."
 
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23301056/page/4/

[truthseeker2]

Do we know which exact image or information Tim was relying on when he told Dave he was 99.9% certain that had found what they were looking for?

The search for Natalee Holloway
TRANSCRIPT
By Chris Hansen
Correspondent
NBC News
updated 5:20 p.m. PT, Fri., Feb. 22, 2008

Tim Miller: I stepped on the boat and said “Natalee we're coming to get you.” Now we're finally coming to get you. And I still believe that from the bottom of my heart. She's out here and now we're on our way.

Over the holiday season, the crew of the persistence worked day and night to survey the ocean floor and look for targets that could hold the key to finding Natalee.

On Christmas Eve sonar pictures revealed what looked like a large trap, almost exactly where Tim Miller theorized it would be.

And on Dec. 29 the crew dropped a remote operated vehicle, or ROV, into the water to get a closer look.

Tim Miller: It looked like a skull. Still looks like a skull.
 
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23301056/page/4/

But when he made the call did he tell Dave he was "99.9% certain"?  If so, did he base that on the 12/29 pics?  Seems like Kyle would have us infer that it was based on the pic where he did the overlay of Natalee.  That pic was captured on 12/30...after the thumbs down signal.  Maybe kyle did another overlay on one of the 12/29 pics????

[2NJSons_Mom]

the big hammer,

Blonde has photos here on this thread...posts 23, 24 have a full cage view but I'm not sure if it's what you are looking for....I'll bring if over if you pick one.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4145.20

[SS]

With Kyle's estimate, the cage is 7.5 feet (80 inches) wide.  I count about 20 little squares across. That would make each square about 4 inches square.

Right: 7.5 FT X 7.5 FT X 2.5 FT

I count 21 squares.  But I think we are seeing only 1/2 the cage in that view and the actual size across is 40-42 squares.

Klaas, can you re-post the view of the cage so the entire thing is visible -- need to get a sense of dimensions and scale.

Thanks.

.

Hammer - I think that's just the size of each of the six sections.  The entire cage has to be bigger than 7.5 x 7.5.

[SS]

Hammer - are Kyle's measurements in feet or meters?  The cage could be 7.5 meters x 7.5 meters.

[Buckeye]

With Kyle's estimate, the cage is 7.5 feet (80 inches) wide.  I count about 20 little squares across. That would make each square about 4 inches square.

Right: 7.5 FT X 7.5 FT X 2.5 FT

I count 21 squares.  But I think we are seeing only 1/2 the cage in that view and the actual size across is 40-42 squares.

Klaas, can you re-post the view of the cage so the entire thing is visible -- need to get a sense of dimensions and scale.

Thanks.

.

Do you think the samples might be on the "collapsed" door??  Maybe only 7.5 X 2.5 ft??

[klaasend]

Hammer - are Kyle's measurements in feet or meters?  The cage could be 7.5 meters x 7.5 meters.

SS - do you have a full picture of the cage handy?  For Hammer?  Was the 7.5x7.5 the size of the one in the ocean or the size of the one at the Fisherman's Huts?

[San]

[Buckeye]

Hammer - are Kyle's measurements in feet or meters?  The cage could be 7.5 meters x 7.5 meters.

Kyle's measurements were in feet: 7.5 x 7.5 x 2-2.5 ft. IIRC

[2NJSons_Mom]

Hammer - are Kyle's measurements in feet or meters?  The cage could be 7.5 meters x 7.5 meters.

SS - do you have a full picture of the cage handy?  For Hammer?  Was the 7.5x7.5 the size of the one in the ocean or the size of the one at the Fisherman's Huts?

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4145.20

Post 22 has full view of top and one side.

[Buckeye]

Hammer - are Kyle's measurements in feet or meters?  The cage could be 7.5 meters x 7.5 meters.

SS - do you have a full picture of the cage handy?  For Hammer?  Was the 7.5x7.5 the size of the one in the ocean or the size of the one at the Fisherman's Huts?

Kyle specified, the one in the water...don't remember him saying it was a different one than the one by the huts.

[wreck]

With Kyle's estimate, the cage is 7.5 feet (80 inches) wide.  I count about 20 little squares across. That would make each square about 4 inches square.

Right: 7.5 FT X 7.5 FT X 2.5 FT

I count 21 squares.  But I think we are seeing only 1/2 the cage in that view and the actual size across is 40-42 squares.

Klaas, can you re-post the view of the cage so the entire thing is visible -- need to get a sense of dimensions and scale.

Thanks.

.

Do you think the samples might be on the "collapsed" door??  Maybe only 7.5 X 2.5 ft??

That is what I think -- collapsed door.

[johan555]

do you have more pics Blonde or Klaas ?

[truthseeker2]

With Kyle's estimate, the cage is 7.5 feet (80 inches) wide.  I count about 20 little squares across. That would make each square about 4 inches square.

Right: 7.5 FT X 7.5 FT X 2.5 FT

I count 21 squares.  But I think we are seeing only 1/2 the cage in that view and the actual size across is 40-42 squares.

Klaas, can you re-post the view of the cage so the entire thing is visible -- need to get a sense of dimensions and scale.

Thanks.

.

Hammer - I think that's just the size of each of the six sections.  The entire cage has to be bigger than 7.5 x 7.5.

In the photo you have here we can see the opening on the side of the cage.  Look at the top left of the shot.  I see it there.  By my claculations, the divers were on the correct end of the cage to see what we believe may be human remains.

[SS]

Hammer - are Kyle's measurements in feet or meters?  The cage could be 7.5 meters x 7.5 meters.

SS - do you have a full picture of the cage handy?  For Hammer?  Was the 7.5x7.5 the size of the one in the ocean or the size of the one at the Fisherman's Huts?

Only what I just posted.  Maybe this one will help.

[ospainter]

It appears there were human remains in that trap, the question is whos?  Why would Kyle go to such lengths to make it appear to be Natalee's remains?  Was it Natalee?  Was it someone else?  Will we ever know?

I know..I don't know how I do it either 

I agree it looks like a skull of a human. Could be anyone including Natalee. FBI should have DNA results on skull and can verify if it's Natalee I would think unless they never received the

skull, but why send Blue material and not skull????

Why would Kyle go to such legnths-guess Kyle will have to answer that, I have no idea unless for money, only logical conclusion I can come up with.

Or maybe Kyle thought he could expose coverup in Aruba, but why then not give pics to FBI, that sure doesn't make sense. I would have marched pics to FBI myself not send  in

emails to someone on the internet don't care who they are.

Questions, more questions. I am done thinking for today, my brain is tired.

OS