Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #69

[no rose colored glasses]

The decision that the state made was a wise one, as of now no body, but also pursuing a death penalty case is very costly, and the cost so far in investigating this case I'm sure is out the roof. Also, I hate to say, this smells like a deal is being made behind the scenes.

[BluesyGram]

HH.. not getting anything that I can find using dothan, al and joyce.  Tried different spellings of Dan Tabiaz.

When you get a better last name for Joyce let me know.

Bev

[BluesyGram]

Have they released the actual list of the new witnesses?  Wonder if they have an entomologist on there...remember the maggots?  (Sorry to all who were thinking about breakfast)

[joesamas mama]

After listening & watching a few of the tapes I noticed a couple of things.


One is Cindy's insistence on looking at her eyes.  Well everytime she said this and Casey would look into the camera...Casey would bust out crying...Couldn't look!

Then when she was "spinning" her story...she would wrinkle her forhead...open her eyes very wide the entire time.  New this is suppose to imply truthfulness..(look into my eyes, I am telling the truth).  But being a sociopath, it is just the opposite.  

I noticed that she didn't do this with Lee though maybe because he wasn't looking into the screen..he was busy writing or she didn't feel threatened about his believing her.

Also, I think the reason why Baez and his associates go see her so often is because he knows she is a narcissist and needs attention all the time.  (She mentions that she called him late at night and he came running over & was very impressed with that).  Then one time she mentioned that she had been trying to reach Baez and couldn't get him and asked them to tell him she wanted to see him.  Guess she made it clear to him that he had better show her all of the attention or else?  (confess or whatever)

IMO her worst punishment is going to be after she is convicted...and NOBODY is going to come running to visit her and pay her all of this attention....she is going die.  Jose will have made his reputation and have more clients that actually PAY...she will be left in his dust!  Can't wait for this to happen.  

I think Jose already has a reputation. His rep is that is he a sorry attorney. Has he ever one a murder case? I know his last one before Casey, the guy was convicted. Does anyone know if he has ever one a murder case? TIA

[Garden Gnome]

I have been doing some googling this morning on the FL statute for murder.  I know from my Criminal Justice 101 class, that murder one must have INTENT.  Our professor pounded that in our heads during class.  In FL though, you have the felony murder that is quite liberal as opposed to other states.  Aggravated child abuse would bump an accidental death up to murder one, for instance.

I would think that without a body to test for chloroform poisoning or without someone testifying that KC was drugging Caylee, that this is going to be difficult.  It is all conjecture, isn't it?

Personally, I cannot wait for the trial to see how the state attorneys play this out!  I think it is going to be fascinating legal stuff.  Also can't wait to see KC go to prison for the absolutely longest amount of time possible.

(1)(a)  The unlawful killing of a human being:

1.  When perpetrated from a premeditated design to effect the death of the person killed or any human being;

2.  When committed by a person engaged in the perpetration of, or in the attempt to perpetrate, any:

a.  Trafficking offense prohibited by s. 893.135(1),

b.  Arson,

c.  Sexual battery,

d.  Robbery,

e.  Burglary,

f.  Kidnapping,

g.  Escape,

h.  Aggravated child abuse,

i.  Aggravated abuse of an elderly person or disabled adult,

j.  Aircraft piracy,

k.  Unlawful throwing, placing, or discharging of a destructive device or bomb,

l.  Carjacking,

m.  Home-invasion robbery,

n.  Aggravated stalking,

o.  Murder of another human being,

p.  Resisting an officer with violence to his or her person,

q.  Felony that is an act of terrorism or is in furtherance of an act of terrorism; or

3.  Which resulted from the unlawful distribution of any substance controlled under s. 893.03(1), cocaine as described in s. 893.03(2)(a)4., or opium or any synthetic or natural salt, compound, derivative, or preparation of opium by a person 18 years of age or older, when such drug is proven to be the proximate cause of the death of the user,

is murder in the first degree and constitutes a capital felony, punishable as provided in s. 775.082.

http://www.flsenate.gov/statutes/?App_mode=Display_Statute&URL=Ch0782/SEC04.HTM

Let's hope this hasn't been changed yet:

Repealing the Felony Murder Rule in Florida

Florida Citizens for an End to the Felony Murder Rule is a growing group of concerned citizens whose goal is the repeal of the Felony Murder Rule or, as a minimum, to have the law significantly amended so that the penalties possible are proportionate to the actual crime and similar in duration to other Florida murder laws. As currently written, there are only two penalties allowed for a felony murder defendant: death, or life in prison without possibility of parole.

Florida is one of only eight states not having repealed this law already. The rest of the world did away with it many years ago.

Please browse this Website to learn more about the implications, which can be tragic, of the felony murder rule, the most powerful law on Florida books, which allows prosecutors to gain convictions for first-degree murder without having to prove intent to murder.

http://felonymurderfl.org/2008/09/03/welcome/

[no rose colored glasses]

Have they released the actual list of the new witnesses?  Wonder if they have an entomologist on there...remember the maggots?  (Sorry to all who were thinking about breakfast)

I can't find the new list either, there was only mention of a couple expert witnesses.

[BluesyGram]

After listening & watching a few of the tapes I noticed a couple of things.


One is Cindy's insistence on looking at her eyes.  Well everytime she said this and Casey would look into the camera...Casey would bust out crying...Couldn't look!

Then when she was "spinning" her story...she would wrinkle her forhead...open her eyes very wide the entire time.  New this is suppose to imply truthfulness..(look into my eyes, I am telling the truth).  But being a sociopath, it is just the opposite.  

I noticed that she didn't do this with Lee though maybe because he wasn't looking into the screen..he was busy writing or she didn't feel threatened about his believing her.

Also, I think the reason why Baez and his associates go see her so often is because he knows she is a narcissist and needs attention all the time.  (She mentions that she called him late at night and he came running over & was very impressed with that).  Then one time she mentioned that she had been trying to reach Baez and couldn't get him and asked them to tell him she wanted to see him.  Guess she made it clear to him that he had better show her all of the attention or else?  (confess or whatever)

IMO her worst punishment is going to be after she is convicted...and NOBODY is going to come running to visit her and pay her all of this attention....she is going die.  Jose will have made his reputation and have more clients that actually PAY...she will be left in his dust!  Can't wait for this to happen.  

I think Jose already has a reputation. His rep is that is he a sorry attorney. Has he ever one a murder case? I know his last one before Casey, the guy was convicted. Does anyone know if he has ever one a murder case? TIA

IMO  His won/lost record won't matter with Casey's case...everyone knows this is a losing situation going in.  It's all about NAME RECOGNITION in his line of work.  Also, now that the DP is off the table, he is "qualified" to be her attorney.  

[higherhopes]

HH.. not getting anything that I can find using dothan, al and joyce.  Tried different spellings of Dan Tabiaz.

When you get a better last name for Joyce let me know.

Bev

Thanks for trying and I just got off the phone with my neice and the name is Tabares...the man that committed the murder was Dan Tabares and his wife was Joyce Tabares...and it was in 1982....thanks for whatever you find.

[no rose colored glasses]

Garden Gnome.... thanks for posting that, very interesting. What are your thoughts, do you feel the state will get a murder one conviction, or manslaughter.

[Garden Gnome]

Garden Gnome.... thanks for posting that, very interesting. What are your thoughts, do you feel the state will get a murder one conviction, or manslaughter.

I know that other prosecutors have gotten murder one convictions without a body.  With my very, very limited knowledge, I would think that WITHOUT SOMEONE's testimony that KC had previously drugged Caylee, that they will have a hard time proving beyond a reasonable doubt.  The jury may go with manslaughter because an accidental death, through negligence, will be the easier way out for them.  Hope I am not right.  I am just guessing here!

[no rose colored glasses]

Garden Gnome.... thanks for posting that, very interesting. What are your thoughts, do you feel the state will get a murder one conviction, or manslaughter.

I know that other prosecutors have gotten murder one convictions without a body.  With my very, very limited knowledge, I would think that WITHOUT SOMEONE's testimony that KC had previously drugged Caylee, that they will have a hard time proving beyond a reasonable doubt.  The jury may go with manslaughter because an accidental death, through negligence, will be the easier way out for them.  Hope I am not right.  I am just guessing here!

I sure hope it is not going to be manslaughter also. One thing that is bothering me is that Kobe hasn't gone down to Orlando to view the evidence, which makes me wonder if a deal isn't being hammered out. I hope my gut feeling on this is wrong.

[Garden Gnome]

I cannot imagine a deal without a clause that KC has to come up with where Caylee was dumped, for lack of a better word.  Caylee may not be recoverable but hopefully, someone would put up a good effort.  I sure as hell hope they wouldn't take KC's word that it was an accident and she just panicked.  Damn, think of the money that has been spent so far to find Caylee.  The man hours of LE.  All because KC couldn't tell the truth.

I just keep thinking that all parents who don't make their kids accountable for their actions, should take a good, long look at KC.  She maybe the extreme but to me, she is just the result of parents who won't or don't take the time to teach accountability and personal responsibility to their kids.  JMHO

[BluesyGram]

HH - So sorry, can't get anything about the murder.   Since this is so long ago, probable isn't on the web.  Bet you could go to the library for the newspaper archive.

This is from the cemetary :

DAVIS, Joyce Tabares, b. Mar 1 1963 d. Nov 20 1982, s/s Lelia M. Davis
DAVIS, Lelia M., b. Apr 20 1938 d. Nov 20 1982, s/s Joyce Tabares DavisSi

[BluesyGram]

Garden Gnome.... thanks for posting that, very interesting. What are your thoughts, do you feel the state will get a murder one conviction, or manslaughter.

I know that other prosecutors have gotten murder one convictions without a body.  With my very, very limited knowledge, I would think that WITHOUT SOMEONE's testimony that KC had previously drugged Caylee, that they will have a hard time proving beyond a reasonable doubt.  The jury may go with manslaughter because an accidental death, through negligence, will be the easier way out for them.  Hope I am not right.  I am just guessing here!

Wonder what the penalty would be for manslaughter? 

[higherhopes]

HH - So sorry, can't get anything about the murder.   Since this is so long ago, probable isn't on the web.  Bet you could go to the library for the newspaper archive.

This is from the cemetary :

DAVIS, Joyce Tabares, b. Mar 1 1963 d. Nov 20 1982, s/s Lelia M. Davis
DAVIS, Lelia M., b. Apr 20 1938 d. Nov 20 1982, s/s Joyce Tabares DavisSi

OK   Thanks so much for trying, I will do that, would just like to read up on the trial and find out how after killing two people and getting life in prison, this person could get out of jail in 17 years......thanks again

[cuteascanbe]

Thank you for the warm welcome, I appreciate it.  I have been reading in here, and you guys are really a top group.  You get the info out, and you can discuss facts, and can do it in a friendly way.  Without all the stiffness and seriousness, like other sites, you still have the same info they all provide, but you do it in a different way.  That is a compliment, 

WELCOME!!! This forum is informative and alot of fun..Glad to have you!

[no rose colored glasses]

I cannot imagine a deal without a clause that KC has to come up with where Caylee was dumped, for lack of a better word.  Caylee may not be recoverable but hopefully, someone would put up a good effort.  I sure as hell hope they wouldn't take KC's word that it was an accident and she just panicked.  Damn, think of the money that has been spent so far to find Caylee.  The man hours of LE.  All because KC couldn't tell the truth.

I just keep thinking that all parents who don't make their kids accountable for their actions, should take a good, long look at KC.  She maybe the extreme but to me, she is just the result of parents who won't or don't take the time to teach accountability and personal responsibility to their kids.  JMHO

If there is a deal, I would imagine it would have to involve where Caylee's body is located. If this goes to trial, and lets say she is convicted for manslaughter, I wonder how long of a sentence she would receive?

[invision]

Here's a thought: In regards to those porno pics, I wonder if we can find out WHO the photographer is???

I know Spyder is a photographer of racier mags, Casey herself is said to be a good photographer, wonder if any of her former friends were too. Maybe Spyder knows the person who took them and that's why LP would have gotten easy access to them???

There is my brainstorm before coffee! 

I don't know any info about "porn" pix ... and I'm not sure it has been "confirmed" that LP has any ...

Here are the two men that took the Fusian pix ... if you are interested in checking them out ... again ... I don't know that they have any connection to the porn industry though ...

John Azzilano - http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=394778191

Teddy Piper - http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewProfile&friendID=8625641

[OriginalKat]

I am thinking in someways Casey has screwed herself on this one. With the evidence we just know about there seems to be enough to convict on a murder charge. You are talking chloroform, decomp, premeditation, lying to LE and others, more and more.

JMO but if the body would have been found without so much time going by then it could have been proved how she died. Maybe if it was accidental that actually could have helped Casey because what if the chloro was in the car because she used it for other things and not on Caylee? The body could prove if any of those searches on the computer were actually used to kill or coverup (shovel) the killing. One of the scenarios that had been mentioned over this time was maybe she was left in the car too long and the FL heat even at night was too much.

I really think forensics will prove alot and with everything else...murder conviction..not manslaughter. I am glad they took dp off the table. She needs a long time to just be with herself since that is who she cares about the most. It will be a lot easier case for the jury to convict.

[invision]

HH - So sorry, can't get anything about the murder.   Since this is so long ago, probable isn't on the web.  Bet you could go to the library for the newspaper archive.

This is from the cemetary :

DAVIS, Joyce Tabares, b. Mar 1 1963 d. Nov 20 1982, s/s Lelia M. Davis
DAVIS, Lelia M., b. Apr 20 1938 d. Nov 20 1982, s/s Joyce Tabares DavisSi

OK   Thanks so much for trying, I will do that, would just like to read up on the trial and find out how after killing two people and getting life in prison, this person could get out of jail in 17 years......thanks again

HH    Of course this is just a suggestion but you might want to set up a thread in the crimes section (or maybe Klaas can suggest a more appropriate section) of the forum to request for help for your information .... there are A LOT of smart monkeys that read here ... perhaps some of them will be willing to research this for you .... This way you have a thread that is dedicated to only the info you seek ....

IMO it might get noticed there more ... here your info may get tangled in the Caylee information and confuse people ... Personally in skimming thru info this morn to catch up ... I was one that got confused by the names ...