Natalee Case Discussion #783 12/6/08 - 12/8/08

[klaasend]

come across........

 

[Helen Back]

Well, Beth is a big girl.  If she saw something here she didn't want discussed, wouldn't she just call Red or Klaas?

Helen - I don't speak directly with Beth but Red does.  How many people should the family be dealing with?  I decided 3 1/2 years ago to use Red as my messenger.

I've asked Red to find out what he can about the pics of the trap and what was found or not found.  I haven't heard anything back yet.

Thanks, Klaas.  I wasn't sure if you spoke with Beth, but I know Red does.  That's why I feel that Red will put the kabash on anything that makes Beth uncomfortable, and that's why I like it here.

 

[klaasend]

From Kyle: "If you want, you can get Red from SM off my back. I really don't like that guy."

Tell me something I don't know, LOL 

[ldstlou]

You know what?  I'm sick of this bull crap.  I have a right as an American citizen to know what happened to another American citizen while over seas.  I have a right as a Mother to know what happened to this precious child.  I have a right as a person to know what happened to this precious child.  I don't care who the hell you are or where you come from.  If you know something then spill it or shut the heck up.  And at this point I don't care where the information comes from.

I want the truth.  So someone knows more than the rest of us?  Then I say what makes you so damn special. 

Do you seriously think anything we discuss on an open forum is going to prevent justice from being given to this precious child Natalee Holloway at this point?  After 3 1/3 years?  I seriously doubt it.

Private forum my ass.  Who decides who's special and who isn't.  I've set here for 3 1/2 lousy stinkin years praying for justice to come.

No I'm not a big contributor any more.  But many many nights I didn't sleep working on timelines and doing the best I could with what little knowledge I have of computers.  Yes the first time I heard someone say  to empty the cookies from my computer I thought WTH.  So no I'm not the sharpest knife in the drawer about computers, but I have just as much right to know what is going on as anybody else.  I'm pissed.

So tell what you know or shut the hell up.

Sorry Klaas please don't fuss at me or I might start crying at this point.  I'm just so fed up.

And just so all ya'll know this is not pointed directly at any particular individual.  This is just my humble gosh darn fraskin opinion.

I don't disagree at all Snoopy. My point is though, if you want to share the information, then share it. You don't have to make people who busted their azzes on that ship "bad guys" to do it. If this info was shared in the private forum, then Kyle apparently wasn't trying to "cover up" anything. So if kermit wants to share the photos and info, share it...but but in my mind she needed to justify her actions, and making Kyle a conspirator is not the way to do it.

[snoopy]

Thank you San and Klaas.  That means alot to me.  You are both very special ladies.

[Helen Back]

come across........

 

 

[Magnolia]

Blue Moon  - I don't think we are talking about the Bring Natalee Home forum where Renfro and Reality post with Robin Holloway, we are talking about the Freebird's forum.

BNH is a members only can read forum but you don't need to be invited to join.  It's my understanding that the Freebirds forum is invite only and I only became aware of it's existance within the last week.  So obviously it was determined I was not "good" enough to join. 

If you aren't good enough to join, Klaas, then it can't be too special.

[texasmom]

Snoopy, I'm right there beside you, holding your hand and trying not to cry!  

[Blue Moon]

Blue Moon  - I don't think we are talking about the Bring Natalee Home forum where Renfro and Reality post with Robin Holloway, we are talking about the Freebird's forum.

BNH is a members only can read forum but you don't need to be invited to join.  It's my understanding that the Freebirds forum is invite only and I only became aware of it's existance within the last week.  So obviously it was determined I was not "good" enough to join. 

If you aren't good enough to join, Klaas, then it can't be too special.

I wouldn't want Klaas to be a member there if what they are asking is for personal information about  people who belong to a public forum.  SM has more integrity than that.

[Kermit]

TO ANSWER QUESTIONS REGARDING IF I GAVE A DOCUMENT OVER TO BE HANDED TO DAVE HOLLOWAY WHEN HE WAS IN ARUBA - THE ANSWER IS YES?
Friday, August 26, 2005 9:03 PM

From:
"(I edited)
To:
"kermit"... more
Hello everyone,

Bestbuddy from SM is going to be in Aruba 05/31 and
will hand-deliver some documents to the Holloways and
Twittys for us.


TO ANSWER THE QUESTION REGARDING HOTSHOT AND BESTBUDDY IN ARUBA

To:
"Kermit" <eidted>
BB paid for all of Kaths meals etc. Kath came up with her ticket and I think they paid the rest, hotel, etc.

[Rob]

Kyle has had three weeks to post his side - he hides. I have no respect for someone who hides pics, tries to sell them, lies about it, jerks everyone around, and says the family saw everything.

In my opinion, whatever Kyles side is, it cant be explained rationally or it would have been three weeks ago.

[ldstlou]

Scandi wrote:

Thanks for that Tamikosmom,  Now I understand why Klassend feels so strongly there was a body discovered in the trap.  I wish I knew who our Kermit really is as he/she is definitely a special frog!

 

Can you explain what is so special about a person who asked permission to post portions of a  PRIVATE dialog, was NOT given permission, but posted it anyways? That is special? I think it is wrong. You do all understand that Kyle's posts were part of a DIALOG!! amongst trusted friends..or so it appears to me. I doubt this was Kyle talking to himself...so why just post Kyle's portion? Were there others who agreed, disagreed? And you wonder why I keep harping the "out of context" message...because anytime you take posts out of a dialog...you take it out of context!!!!

I think it is special that Kermit decided to share her information with us.

Can you also tell me what is so special about a person who claims they are being "threatened" not to post any additional info..when they have not been? Hey kermit, I saw the "threatening e-mail". You have posted everything else out of context, why withhold the "threats". Because there weren't any.

If you saw the threatening emails why not share them so we can decided for ourselves.  

IF...lets assume IF these posts Kermit is posting were taken from a private forum, where confidentiality was SACRED!!!!!!!! so that people could discuss the Persistence search and noodle out ideas, information, facts, theories, fears, etc.....a private forum that was DEDICATED TO FINDING JUSTICE FOR NATALEE!!!   where CONFIDENTIALITY had to be SACRED!!!! would you still consider Kermit so "special"?

Then why are you and others who are posting at this site posting here?  Go to the private site and don't tell us shit because I don't care.  But because Kermit did post it here where we aren't private I say thanks for your thoughts and I will be the judge of what you post.  I will decided for myself what is true and what isn't.

If the posts that Kermit is posting...were SHARED!!! OPENLY!!! not covertly..OPENLY in a P_R_I_V_A_T_E forum...a "think tank" per se, amongst trusted and dedicated people who have spent the last three and a half years dedicated to posting the truth about Aruba and seeking justice for Natalee...would that change your opinions of the information that Kermit is posting at all? Would you then think what was posted was taken out of context. Would you be less likey to question the integrity of Kyle and the members of the Persistence? Would you question then...as I am...Kermit's motives? Is it really the truth she is looking for?

THERE HASN'T BEEN A PERSON ON A FORUM MORE DEDICATED TO FINDING JUSTICE FOR NATALEE THAN "KLAASEND".  THERE ARE MANY MANY SMART PEOPLE HERE THAT BLOW YOU OUT OF THE WATER.

HOW DARE YOU INSULT ALL THE LOYAL POSTERS AT SM.

I am NOT a member of the private group for your information. I just think it is wrong what kermit is doing and I am expressing my opinion. If you feel you have to attack me go ahead.

You see it as an attack, but I see it as a rebuttal.  I, personally, don't see how your opinion on what Kermit has posted here has anything to do with Natalee.   If you were not invited to be a member of the so called private forum, then where are you getting your info from???? 

There is a group of them.


I was willing to take the risk and post the truth.
The MONKEYS can decide if it is me lying or not.

Look kermit...then post the truth!!!
The truth is..no one but the arubans really know what was found in that cage. Why do you have to bash Kyle to post the truth?

[Kermit]

Blue Moon  - I don't think we are talking about the Bring Natalee Home forum where Renfro and Reality post with Robin Holloway, we are talking about the Freebird's forum.

BNH is a members only can read forum but you don't need to be invited to join.  It's my understanding that the Freebirds forum is invite only and I only became aware of it's existance within the last week.  So obviously it was determined I was not "good" enough to join. 

If you aren't good enough to join, Klaas, then it can't be too special.

I wouldn't want Klaas to be a member there if what they are asking is for personal information about  people who belong to a public forum.  SM has more integrity than that.

ONLY KYLE asked for personal information about a monkey, Destiny and Caps.

NOW, he is trying to get me for exposing the truth

[ldstlou]

Kyle has had three weeks to post his side - he hides. I have no respect for someone who hides pics, tries to sell them, lies about it, jerks everyone around, and says the family saw everything.

In my opinion, whatever Kyles side is, it cant be explained rationally or it would have been three weeks ago.

could be though that it is a no win situation for him and so he has chosen not to advance it.

[San]

Snoopy, I'm right there beside you, holding your hand and trying not to cry!  

No crying allowed. 

[klaasend]

Kyle has had three weeks to post his side - he hides. I have no respect for someone who hides pics, tries to sell them, lies about it, jerks everyone around, and says the family saw everything.

In my opinion, whatever Kyles side is, it cant be explained rationally or it would have been three weeks ago.

My question is if the pictures and information was SO SENSITIVE to the FBI why would Kyle post them on the INTERNET in the first place.  THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A PRIVATE FORUM.

[ldstlou]

Blue Moon  - I don't think we are talking about the Bring Natalee Home forum where Renfro and Reality post with Robin Holloway, we are talking about the Freebird's forum.

BNH is a members only can read forum but you don't need to be invited to join.  It's my understanding that the Freebirds forum is invite only and I only became aware of it's existance within the last week.  So obviously it was determined I was not "good" enough to join. 

If you aren't good enough to join, Klaas, then it can't be too special.

I wouldn't want Klaas to be a member there if what they are asking is for personal information about  people who belong to a public forum.  SM has more integrity than that.

ONLY KYLE asked for personal information about a monkey, Destiny and Caps.

NOW, he is trying to get me for exposing the truth

aahhhh kermit...how is he trying to "get you" when he is not even responding to you? Only one I see making any attacks is you.

[Kermit]

Scandi wrote:

Thanks for that Tamikosmom,  Now I understand why Klassend feels so strongly there was a body discovered in the trap.  I wish I knew who our Kermit really is as he/she is definitely a special frog!

 

Can you explain what is so special about a person who asked permission to post portions of a  PRIVATE dialog, was NOT given permission, but posted it anyways? That is special? I think it is wrong. You do all understand that Kyle's posts were part of a DIALOG!! amongst trusted friends..or so it appears to me. I doubt this was Kyle talking to himself...so why just post Kyle's portion? Were there others who agreed, disagreed? And you wonder why I keep harping the "out of context" message...because anytime you take posts out of a dialog...you take it out of context!!!!

I think it is special that Kermit decided to share her information with us.

Can you also tell me what is so special about a person who claims they are being "threatened" not to post any additional info..when they have not been? Hey kermit, I saw the "threatening e-mail". You have posted everything else out of context, why withhold the "threats". Because there weren't any.

If you saw the threatening emails why not share them so we can decided for ourselves.  

IF...lets assume IF these posts Kermit is posting were taken from a private forum, where confidentiality was SACRED!!!!!!!! so that people could discuss the Persistence search and noodle out ideas, information, facts, theories, fears, etc.....a private forum that was DEDICATED TO FINDING JUSTICE FOR NATALEE!!!   where CONFIDENTIALITY had to be SACRED!!!! would you still consider Kermit so "special"?

Then why are you and others who are posting at this site posting here?  Go to the private site and don't tell us shit because I don't care.  But because Kermit did post it here where we aren't private I say thanks for your thoughts and I will be the judge of what you post.  I will decided for myself what is true and what isn't.

If the posts that Kermit is posting...were SHARED!!! OPENLY!!! not covertly..OPENLY in a P_R_I_V_A_T_E forum...a "think tank" per se, amongst trusted and dedicated people who have spent the last three and a half years dedicated to posting the truth about Aruba and seeking justice for Natalee...would that change your opinions of the information that Kermit is posting at all? Would you then think what was posted was taken out of context. Would you be less likey to question the integrity of Kyle and the members of the Persistence? Would you question then...as I am...Kermit's motives? Is it really the truth she is looking for?

THERE HASN'T BEEN A PERSON ON A FORUM MORE DEDICATED TO FINDING JUSTICE FOR NATALEE THAN "KLAASEND".  THERE ARE MANY MANY SMART PEOPLE HERE THAT BLOW YOU OUT OF THE WATER.

HOW DARE YOU INSULT ALL THE LOYAL POSTERS AT SM.

I am NOT a member of the private group for your information. I just think it is wrong what kermit is doing and I am expressing my opinion. If you feel you have to attack me go ahead.

You see it as an attack, but I see it as a rebuttal.  I, personally, don't see how your opinion on what Kermit has posted here has anything to do with Natalee.   If you were not invited to be a member of the so called private forum, then where are you getting your info from???? 

There is a group of them.


I was willing to take the risk and post the truth.
The MONKEYS can decide if it is me lying or not.

Look kermit...then post the truth!!!
The truth is..no one but the arubans really know what was found in that cage. Why do you have to bash Kyle to post the truth?

A. I have NOT said one personal bash against Kyle whatsoever. I have exposed the truth.
You have a right to choose to believe or not believe what you want.

B. Kyle stated: " The bags were removed just after the ROV got out of the way when the divers took the samples to their boat.... and took off. You have a right to choose to believe or not believe what you want.

[texasmom]

Kyle is welcome to post a rebuttal here.  Neither Kyle nor Kermit are banned from posting at SM.  They can "duke" it out if they choose to.  Then we can all see both sides.

I saw Kyle post why he did not want to discuss this on SM. Because kermit decided to share the info that was not intended to be shared, does not mean Kyle is going to. And frankly I respect that more than what kermit is doing. He posted to us daily while on the search. he answered everyone's questions. For that he is being slandered by kermit. I wouldn't come here and respond after that.

I'm thinking Kyle is choosing not to post a rebuttal.

Posted by Oceanexploration:

Kermit,

First, I have NEVER threatened you.  The only thing I said to you is that I do not want to be sued by releasing information into the public that I was specifically told by OUR FBI as confidential. When I'm told not to comment by our FBI, I listen. You clearly do not understand this.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4159.msg554523#msg554523

But Kyle posted the "confidential" information in a "private forum"????

[Pita]

Kyle has had three weeks to post his side - he hides. I have no respect for someone who hides pics, tries to sell them, lies about it, jerks everyone around, and says the family saw everything.

In my opinion, whatever Kyles side is, it cant be explained rationally or it would have been three weeks ago.

Rob, I'm guessing Kyle's comments here explain his silence.

Posted by Oceanexploration:

Kermit,

First, I have NEVER threatened you.  The only thing I said to you is that I do not want to be sued by releasing information into the public that I was specifically told by OUR FBI as confidential. When I'm told not to comment by our FBI, I listen. You clearly do not understand this.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4159.msg554523#msg554523