Natalee Case Discussion #783 12/6/08 - 12/8/08

[Helen Back]

Good morning all,

Looks like I missed caesu, but maybe you can answer this Johan?

I have tried to educate myself on the Rijksrecherche.

How is it that an investigation can be initiated?  Who can make such a request?  TIA

Helen Back

 

[Tamikosmom]

Kermit, right or wrong, has always seemed to step up to the plate.
Kermit has always attempted / verified her posts.

Kermit could be a dis-informant for all we know. No one knows.
It appears, on surface level, that she is not.

An obvious conclusion, as my previous post alludes, can be drawn.
Kermit not on boat. Kermit knows of remains. Conclusion=Someone else knows. Who??

Kermit's theories are Kermit's theories and ... something akin to Tamikosmom's theories ... they are subject to change.

However ... the ROV images and ... the Kyle email quotes are either a hoax or the truth revealed.

When I consider ... Kermit's long time dedication to the cause of justice for Natalee Holloway that is revealed in her/his posts and ... her/his willingness to share countless hours of research exposing the suspects and the corrupt investigation in Natalee forums and ... Kyle's acknowledgement in his own words of communication ... unless otherwise indicated ... I will uphold the motives and integrity of Kermit.

Janet

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Kermit
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #777 11/21/08 thru
« Reply #737 on: November 23, 2008, 04:56:12 PM »

I'll tell you what is going on. oceanexploration just needs to say YES to moi!

But it seems he left.

I'm going to go get some flies.

I have not, nor would or will I ever lie to ANYONE! It is not how I live my life. And I won't start now.

What I have said is the truth, I confronted him, he took off. Maybe he needs some time to plan another diversion or search his soul. I hope it's the latter.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4159.msg554371#msg554371


oceanexploration
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #777 11/21/08 thru
« Reply #820 on: November 23, 2008, 06:46:34 PM »

Kermit,

First, I have NEVER threatened you.  The only thing I said to you is that I do not want to be sued by releasing information into the public that I was specifically told by OUR FBI as confidential. When I'm told not to comment by our FBI, I listen. You clearly do not understand this.

I made a mistake trusting you with so much as a greeting.  It was a gross misjudgement in character on my part. 

We all want the truth out in it's entirety.  The truth will be told by Beth in her terms when SHE feels ready.  It's not up to you or I. If you want the truth, ask BETH, not me.  Your answers will come from her.   

As for me, I stand by Natalee.   I'm sorry Kermit, my answer is NO.  This is my last post at SM.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4159.msg554523;topicseen#msg554523


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The following is the third updated compilation of quotes derived from emails communication between Kermit and Kyle.
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Kermit
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #779 11/24/08 -
« Reply #532 on: November 25, 2008, 07:06:45 PM »

From Kyle: march 18, 2008: If you want, you can get Red from SM off my back. I really don't like that guy. He thinks he knows what's going on but doesn't have a clue. I first saw the pics on the SM home page and fired off an email to Red believing that he would be understanding and help provide answers. I quickly found out what happened on my own and dealt with it. I could not believe his response.

~Kyle

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4179.msg557660#msg557660


Kermit
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #779 11/24/08 -
« Reply #532 on: November 25, 2008, 07:06:45 PM »

From Kyle: I have not given anything to the FBI since the pictures and statements from Dec 29th

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4179.msg557660#msg557660


Kermit
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #779 11/24/08 -
« Reply #532 on: November 25, 2008, 07:06:45 PM »

From Kyle: None of us gave any statements to the authorities after the 29th. It's possible John Silvetti did, because he was the only one conversing with them after Jan 7th.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4179.msg557660#msg557660


Kermit
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #779 11/24/08 -
« Reply #532 on: November 25, 2008, 07:06:45 PM »

From Kyle: May 8, 2008: "I've talked with Peter Shouten numerous times back in February. He hasn't seen anything but knows about the blue fabrics. DeVries and Endemol was interested in purchasing the ROV footage and I was working between them, ABC, and CBS to strike a deal."

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4179.msg557660#msg557660


Kermit
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #780 11/26/08 -
« Reply #888 on: Today at 02:43:35 AM »

Jan. 7th picture Kyle said: "In case it isn't clear.. notice the blue denim-like fabric”

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4182.msg564718#msg564718


Kermit
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #780 11/26/08 -
« Reply #902 on: Today at 03:09:00 AM »

Kyle said: "The Aruban divers were on the police boat, dove from their boat, and returned to their boat."

Kyle said: "They were immediately whisked away by the Aruban police and not seen of again by us on the 7th"

Kyle said: " John stood back and waited and worked with the Aruban Polis"

Kyle said: "John definitely believed the Arubans at their every word"

Kyle said: "John didn't want Tim Miller on board the Persistence because he said Tim wasn't necessary any more and was a liability"

Kyle said: "John told me then he didn't want to hear me ever mention the trap again."

June 10, 2008 = Kyle states: “He's [John Silvetti] seriously making plans to open an Aruba office so he can conduct business easier in S. America and that would allow him to do that."

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4182.msg564763#msg564763


Kermit
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #780 11/26/08 -
« Reply #903 on: Today at 03:12:23 AM »

Kyle said: "Schafer is sue crazy."

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4182.msg564766;topicseen#msg564766


Kermit
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #780 11/26/08 -
« Reply #897 on: Today at 03:02:28 AM »

Kyle: “I did not feel the same and we had a major difference in opinion. He [John Silvetti] was the one who never pressed ALE to be completely open with us with the trap evidence. I would have forced them to. However, John was the one paying my invoices so I was forced to sit back and hope for the best.”

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4182.msg564753;topicseen#msg564753


Kermit
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #780 11/26/08 -
« Reply #883 on: Today at 02:39:52 AM »

Kyle said: " We all know it wasn't a blouse, but I believe they were sent some piece of fabric other than the fabric found inside the trap.”

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4182.msg564707#msg564707


Kermit
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #780 11/26/08 -
« Reply #896 on: Today at 03:00:21 AM »

Kyle said: "The blue fabric was found right where the skirt is pictured. If it isn't her, it will forever haunt me as a major cosmic WTF.”

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4182.msg564748;topicseen#msg564748


Kermit
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #780 11/26/08 -
« Reply #896 on: Today at 03:00:21 AM »

Kyle said: "We're being fed misinformation to keep us searching and out of their way while they cover their asses, destroy evidence, cover their tracks, and keep us out at sea and away from the trap."

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4182.msg564748;topicseen#msg564748


Kermit
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #780 11/26/08 -
« Reply #888 on: Today at 02:43:35 AM »

Jan. 7th picture Kyle said: "In case it isn't clear.. notice the blue denim-like fabric”

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4182.msg564718#msg564718


Kermit
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #779 11/24/08 -
« Reply #532 on: Today at 07:06:45 PM »

From Kyle: May 8, 2008: "I've talked with Peter Shouten numerous times back in February. He hasn't seen anything but knows about the blue fabrics. DeVries and Endemol was interested in purchasing the ROV footage and I was working between them, ABC, and CBS to strike a deal."

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4179.msg557660#msg557660


Kermit
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #780 11/26/08 -
« Reply #882 on: Today at 02:36:28 AM »

Kyle said: "Louis is currently working with someone who I do not know to put together some documentary on the case, the way it was handled, and what happened during the search. I learned this from Tim T. yesterday. Louis was sold on the idea that it will make him a lot of money.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4182.msg564701;topicseen#msg564701


Kermit
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #780 11/26/08 -
« Reply #802 on: December 02, 2008, 05:16:26 PM »

Kyle said: “The portion of the discolored blue fabric was presumably on the bottom of the fabric. In my opinion this discoloration is not another type of fabric, but rather biological staining or discoloration from biological growth caused from a high organic carbon content and decay. Basically, during decay a biological mat will form around the organics from remains. This is what I believe it is on the bottom of the fabric.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4182.msg564125;topicseen#msg564125


Kermit
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #779 11/24/08 -
« Reply #642 on: November 25, 2008, 10:12:27 PM »

May 8, 2008 = from Kyle: John Silvetti told me today that he may be returning to Aruba very soon for a few days.

May 19, 2008 = from Kyle:
"I couldn't get the logs from the Persistence. All things "Holloway" were stripped from the boat once it got back to Louisiana

JUNE 10, 2008 = from Kyle:
He's [John Silvetti] seriously making plans to open an Aruba office so he can conduct business easier in S. America and that would allow him to do that.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4179.msg557914;topicseen#msg557914


Kermit
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #779 11/24/08 -
« Reply #635 on: November 25, 2008, 10:06:58 PM »

from Kyle: "It was confirmed by the FBI that they received a fabric sample send by Richardson and that it wasn't a match to Natalee's blouse. I think the video can prove or disprove whatever the FBI was sent was the same object or not. I strongly believe it's blue denim. Everyone I show thinks the same thing without being prompted (including senior ABC execs).

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4179.msg557906;topicseen#msg557906


Kermit
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #781 12/3/08 -
« Reply #663 on: Today at 09:55:44 PM »

Kyle stated: "John is not a believer in the trap. He took ALE's word as gospel that it wasn't case related, yet never studied the videos or bothered to inquire further."

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4186.msg566856;topicseen#msg566856


Kermit
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #782 12/5/08 -
« Reply #137 on: Today at 04:07:13 PM »

Klye stated: " We're being fed misinformation to keep us searching and out of their way while they cover their asses, destroy evidence, cover their tracks, and keep us out at sea and away from the trap."

Kyle stated: "neither Dave, Robin, or Beth has seen any of the ROV footage aside from what was broadcasted on Dateline or the pictures leaked from the FBI to Dave (and Robin H.). Beth has seen nothing in my knowledge."

Kyle stated: "John is not a believer in the trap. He took ALE's word as gospel that it wasn't case related, yet never studied the videos or bothered to inquire further. He had plans on doing business with Aruba and in S. America and he didn't want to hurt any feelings by talks hinting at lack of complete trust and friendship."

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4209.120


Kermit
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #782 12/5/08 -
« Reply #275 on: December 05, 2008, 07:05:44 PM »

Kyle said: "Notice the end of the skirt is an identical match to the 90 degree angle in the sand.
- I believe her left arm was outstretched with her legs slightly bent. I did not edit the legs.
- I believe the tarp was placed over her and tucked around her, or perhaps tied down. I believe there are several rocks laying on the sand which were placed on the tarp, or inside the tarp over her body which explains their unusual location.
- Either way, the proportions appear promising.

Kyle said: “- I took the proportions of the body form from the head, to shoulder, to a 90 degree angle which I believed to be the hem line of Natalee's skirt. I then took those proportions and matched them to the photo of Natalee with what she was last seen wearing. The proportions matched within an inch from head, to shoulder, to skirt line.

Based on this comparison and with what we believed we saw in the Dec 29th video, Tim Miller contacted the family and told them the 99.9% comment. I told Tim not to do anything until we have forensic results back after the site is processed.

Jan 7th we sampled the contents and in my opinion we found the skirt under the sand along with the other items

The blue fabric was found right where the skirt is pictured. If it isn't her, it will forever haunt me as a major cosmic WTF.”

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4209.msg568246;topicseen#msg568246


Kermit
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #782 12/5/08 -
« Reply #524 on: December 05, 2008, 11:59:23 PM

kyle stated: "Richardson was onboard the Persistence several times and attended the meetings on the boat. You may see a glimpse of him on the Dateline video in the survey room along with Mos standing over my shoulder.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4209.msg568677;topicseen#msg568677

[Tamikosmom]

GOOD MORNING MONKEYS!!!

Later, Janet
8:40 AM PT

[Red]

OT:

Please take a moment today to remember December 7, 1941 ... Pearl Harbor Day, a date that will live in infamy.

Remembering Pearl Harbor … December 7, 1941 … Thank You to the Greatest Generation

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2008/12/07/remembering-pearl-harbor-december-7-1941-thank-you-to-the-greatest-generation/

Freedom is never free.

[Helen Back]

Good morning all,

Looks like I missed caesu, but maybe you can answer this Johan?

I have tried to educate myself on the Rijksrecherche.

How is it that an investigation can be initiated?  Who can make such a request?  TIA

Helen Back

 

Sorry to quote myself, but I forgot to say pretty please Johan!

I have read the website and could not find the information on how this request is made.  Who can make this request?  It says that investigation begins within one hour of request!

Will you call them please?

[johan555]

Good morning all,

Looks like I missed caesu, but maybe you can answer this Johan?

I have tried to educate myself on the Rijksrecherche.

How is it that an investigation can be initiated?  Who can make such a request?  TIA

Helen Back

 

Sorry to quote myself, but I forgot to say pretty please Johan!

I have read the website and could not find the information on how this request is made.  Who can make this request?  It says that investigation begins within one hour of request!

Will you call them please?

Mission Rijksrecherche

"As part of the Dutch police, the Rijksrecherche, nationally and internationally, to ensure the integrity of and public confidence in command of the PPS independent investigation to be carried out by (alleged) criminal behavior, with particular officials. The investigation of the Rijksrecherche focus on truth which linked the provision of advice in specific cases. "

http://www.om.nl/organisatie/rijksrecherche/organisatie/

[Helen Back]

Yes, thank you.

For correctly carrying out one and other, the Board of Procurators General has issued a directive. The objective of the directive is to explain the criteria according to which the rijksrecherche may be deployed (see Core Tasks / deployment criteria).

I am wondering about the deployment criteria.  I am wondering what criteria must be met in order to have an investigation, and who must make such request?

Could not find this info on their website.

Thanks

[Scandi]

Thanks for that Tamikosmom,  Now I understand why Klassend feels so strongly there was a body discovered in the trap.  I wish I knew who our Kermit really is as he/she is definitely a special frog!   

Thanks Red for the reminder about D-Day.  I graduated from HS in '62 and had several friends whose fathers were right there in the mix.  My dad was building roads in the Phillipines with the Army Corps of Engineers.  We owe each and every soldier a great debt of gratitude for what they have done for our freedom.  xox

[BUCKSHOT]

Posted in Shango/Simian thread: Thought it was worth bringing over...

posted by SantaClaus on December 5th, 2008 8:06 pm 
TWAS THE NIGHT BEFORE PAYOFFS

‘Twas the night before payoffs, when all through the House
Not an elder was stirring, not ev’n a whiskered mouse;
The stockings were hung by the chimney with care,
In hopes that their wampum soon would be there;
The offspring were nestled all snug in their beds,
While visions of Bangbus vids danced in their heads;
And mama with her kerchief, and I with my cap
Had just settled down after beating a long rap.

When out on the lawn there arose such a clatter,
I sprang from the bed to see what was the matter.
Away to the window I flew like a flash,
Tore open the shutters and threw up the sash.
When, what to my wondering eyes should appear,
But a sh*t load of press folks, and her family I fear!
With such little time for a story to stick.
I knew in a moment I had to think quick.

More rapid than eagles his coursers they came,
So I grabbed my wife’s cell and called them by name;
“Now, Jan! now, Deepak! now, Satish and Steven!
On, Guido! on Greg! on, Koen get leavin’!
To the top of the porch! to the top of the wall!
Now dash away! dash away! dash away all!
Before we all get caught and the teepees all fall!
So off to the airport, the Netherlands they flew,
With the sleigh full of payoffs, and all that they knew.

And then, in a twinkling, I heard on the roof
The prancing and pawing of each sporter’s hoof.
As I drew in my hand, and was turnng around,
Down the chimney he came with one sneaker a bound.
He was covered in mud, from his waist to his foot,
And his clothes were all muddy with what looked like soot.
A bundle of money he flung on his back,
And he looked like a peddler just opening his pack.

His eyes — one was smaller, he talked of our Mary!
His cheeks red from drinking, his nose like a cherry!
His droll little mouth was drawn up like a bow,
As he stood with two Hindus, who were both in the know.
Biting his tongue, trying to save his face.
He listened to his daddy, no body no case.
He had a broad face and tons of plaid shirts.
while that night his friend said he took several squirts.

He was a tall sporter, a jolly old elf,
And I laughed when I saw him, in spite of myself;
A wink of his smaller eye and a twist of his large head,
And when he opened his mouth daddy had everything to dread;
While he spoke not the truth to the media at work
Daddy filled all their stockings thinking “I’m raising a jerk.”
And laying his finger aside of his nose,
He sniffed up that line and up the chimney he rose;
He sprang to his sleigh, to his team gave a whistle,
And he flew off to Thailand as quick as a missile
But I heard him exclaim, ere he drove out of sight,
“You’ll never arrest me, and to all a good-night.”

BUT THE MONKEYS PROCLAIMED - NOT WITHOUT A FIGHT

 

[johan555]

 two years  imprisonment  for corrupt custodian
6 Dec, 2008, 14:49 (GMT -04:00)
ORANGE CITY - The public prosecutor yesterday demanded two years imprisonment for corruption suspect Omar H. prison guard. The depositary would end 2006 to mid this year, drugs, mobile phones and other belongings have traded in prison KIA.
According to the Public Prosecutor (OM) is the man so corrupt that he is also at least five years after serving his punishment should not exercise his profession. In exchange for delivering the products, gifts, he would have adopted. He also prosecuted for possession of two kilos of marijuana. H. denies the allegation and said only CDs, creams, and Vicks for the prisoners and have taken no drugs and phones. During the handling of the case, the judge, however, that he is in possession of detailed descriptions of how H. the smuggled stuff inside, and what the prices of the products were. A mobile phone would vary between eight hundred and nine hundred florin, while marijuana for an amount of 100 florin would have demanded. He passed the checks by the 'ordered' stuff in his underpants to stop and got there in the cell of a 'client' only off.
H. Friday continued to deny everything, and sees the whole case against him as a "set up" because he was preparing a report stressful enough stand against some or any of the prisoners who trade from the paintings did. The prosecutor, however, the courts could produce a recording, which is to hear how H. and another person agreed on marijuana. On December 12 the court ruling.

[texasmom]

Scandi,


I love your avitar!   

[texasmom]

OT:

Please take a moment today to remember December 7, 1941 ... Pearl Harbor Day, a date that will live in infamy.

Remembering Pearl Harbor … December 7, 1941 … Thank You to the Greatest Generation

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2008/12/07/remembering-pearl-harbor-december-7-1941-thank-you-to-the-greatest-generation/

Freedom is never free.

So true, thanks for the reminder Red!

[texasmom]

two years  imprisonment  for corrupt custodian
6 Dec, 2008, 14:49 (GMT -04:00)
ORANGE CITY - The public prosecutor yesterday demanded two years imprisonment for corruption suspect Omar H. prison guard. The depositary would end 2006 to mid this year, drugs, mobile phones and other belongings have traded in prison KIA.
According to the Public Prosecutor (OM) is the man so corrupt that he is also at least five years after serving his punishment should not exercise his profession. In exchange for delivering the products, gifts, he would have adopted. He also prosecuted for possession of two kilos of marijuana. H. denies the allegation and said only CDs, creams, and Vicks for the prisoners and have taken no drugs and phones. During the handling of the case, the judge, however, that he is in possession of detailed descriptions of how H. the smuggled stuff inside, and what the prices of the products were. A mobile phone would vary between eight hundred and nine hundred florin, while marijuana for an amount of 100 florin would have demanded. He passed the checks by the 'ordered' stuff in his underpants to stop and got there in the cell of a 'client' only off.
H. Friday continued to deny everything, and sees the whole case against him as a "set up" because he was preparing a report stressful enough stand against some or any of the prisoners who trade from the paintings did. The prosecutor, however, the courts could produce a recording, which is to hear how H. and another person agreed on marijuana. On December 12 the court ruling.

Thanks Johan!

Now...what are they going to do about Paulus Van der Sloot and his smuggling operation to his son????   

[ldstlou]

Scandi wrote:

Thanks for that Tamikosmom,  Now I understand why Klassend feels so strongly there was a body discovered in the trap.  I wish I knew who our Kermit really is as he/she is definitely a special frog!

 

Can you explain what is so special about a person who asked permission to post portions of a  PRIVATE dialog, was NOT given permission, but posted it anyways? That is special? I think it is wrong. You do all understand that Kyle's posts were part of a DIALOG!! amongst trusted friends..or so it appears to me. I doubt this was Kyle talking to himself...so why just post Kyle's portion? Were there others who agreed, disagreed? And you wonder why I keep harping the "out of context" message...because anytime you take posts out of a dialog...you take it out of context!!!!

 

Can you also tell me what is so special about a person who claims they are being "threatened" not to post any additional info..when they have not been? Hey kermit, I saw the "threatening e-mail". You have posted everything else out of context, why withhold the "threats". Because there weren't any.

 

IF...lets assume IF these posts Kermit is posting were taken from a private forum, where confidentiality was SACRED!!!!!!!! so that people could discuss the Persistence search and noodle out ideas, information, facts, theories, fears, etc.....a private forum that was DEDICATED TO FINDING JUSTICE FOR NATALEE!!! where CONFIDENTIALITY had to be SACRED!!!! would you still consider Kermit so "special"?

 

If the posts that Kermit is posting...were SHARED!!! OPENLY!!! not covertly..OPENLY in a P_R_I_V_A_T_E forum...a "think tank" per se, amongst trusted and dedicated people who have spent the last three and a half years dedicated to posting the truth about Aruba and seeking justice for Natalee...would that change your opinions of the information that Kermit is posting at all? Would you then think what was posted was taken out of context. Would you be less likey to question the integrity of Kyle and the members of the Persistence? Would you question then...as I am...Kermit's motives? Is it really the truth she is looking for?

[klaasend]

There appears to be some kind of power struggle going on.  I'd really like to know how others that were members of the "private" forum feel about Kermit's posts.  Seems there are some that are feeling betrayed by Kyle and others that feel betrayed by Kermit.  Personally, I don't know what to believe.

About the cage and the pics.  It looks to me that there very wll may have been human remains in that cage, who's remains I don't know.  What happened to the evidence from the cage I don't know.

THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A PRIVATE FORUM.  Information always leaks out, people always get mad.  That is why we have no private areas at SM.

[Lifesong]

Scandi wrote:

Thanks for that Tamikosmom,  Now I understand why Klassend feels so strongly there was a body discovered in the trap.  I wish I knew who our Kermit really is as he/she is definitely a special frog!

 

Can you explain what is so special about a person who asked permission to post portions of a  PRIVATE dialog, was NOT given permission, but posted it anyways? That is special? I think it is wrong. You do all understand that Kyle's posts were part of a DIALOG!! amongst trusted friends..or so it appears to me. I doubt this was Kyle talking to himself...so why just post Kyle's portion? Were there others who agreed, disagreed? And you wonder why I keep harping the "out of context" message...because anytime you take posts out of a dialog...you take it out of context!!!!

 

Can you also tell me what is so special about a person who claims they are being "threatened" not to post any additional info..when they have not been? Hey kermit, I saw the "threatening e-mail". You have posted everything else out of context, why withhold the "threats". Because there weren't any.

 

IF...lets assume IF these posts Kermit is posting were taken from a private forum, where confidentiality was SACRED!!!!!!!! so that people could discuss the Persistence search and noodle out ideas, information, facts, theories, fears, etc.....a private forum that was DEDICATED TO FINDING JUSTICE FOR NATALEE!!! where CONFIDENTIALITY had to be SACRED!!!! would you still consider Kermit so "special"?

 

If the posts that Kermit is posting...were SHARED!!! OPENLY!!! not covertly..OPENLY in a P_R_I_V_A_T_E forum...a "think tank" per se, amongst trusted and dedicated people who have spent the last three and a half years dedicated to posting the truth about Aruba and seeking justice for Natalee...would that change your opinions of the information that Kermit is posting at all? Would you then think what was posted was taken out of context. Would you be less likey to question the integrity of Kyle and the members of the Persistence? Would you question then...as I am...Kermit's motives? Is it really the truth she is looking for?

Well, I find that remark particulary offensive.  Just WTF do you think we're all spending time on here doing?

And, btw, all those exclamation points reek off jr high school.

JMO

[texasmom]

Thanks Lifesong, I had the same thoughts.   

[caesu]

Yes, thank you.

For correctly carrying out one and other, the Board of Procurators General has issued a directive. The objective of the directive is to explain the criteria according to which the rijksrecherche may be deployed (see Core Tasks / deployment criteria).

I am wondering about the deployment criteria.  I am wondering what criteria must be met in order to have an investigation, and who must make such request?

Could not find this info on their website.

Thanks

it's complicated.
but to put it simple, the board of Procureurs-General decides if the Rijksrecherche is going to be used.

but the difference here is that the Netherlands and Aruba have two different Openbaar Ministeries (Public Prosecution).
they are separate. Aruba has his own Procureur-General, who doesn't sit at the board of Dutch Procureurs-General.

so the usual criteria don't apply here.

there is however a option for special, unusual cases:
http://www.om.nl/organisatie/rijksrecherche/inzetcriteria/afwijkende/
there it even says "foreign corruption".
but it doesn't give much detail about the deployment, criteria there.

but i suspect that this comes down to a decision by the Justice Minister of the Netherlands, Hirsch Ballin.
it's really a political decision to have the Aruban ALE investigated, ultimately decided by the Kingdom Cabinet.

and if there is consensus in the Dutch Parliament that they want the Government to enforce article 43 of the Statute (about good governance, rule of law), only then the Dutch Justice minister will do something.

when the Kingdom relations get restructered for the other islands the Dutch Minister of Justice will have more power.
he is going to have 'aanwijzingsbevoegdheid', he can direct the Procureur-General to start a prosecution or abort a prosecution. reason for this is to deal with politically influenced prosecutions - in other words: corruption.
but Aruba (Rudy Croes), has managed that the Dutch Justice Minister doesn't have this power towards Aruba.
http://antilliaans.caribiana.nl/aruba/car20080219_eigen-PG

by the way, Curaçao is very angy that for them the Dutch Justice Minister has this special power.
in June there were race-riots on Curaçao.
the man behind this, Helmin Wiels is threatening to disrupt the Round Table Conference and the day before when there is a 'Kingdomconcert'.
http://antilliaans.caribiana.nl/kort-nieuws/car20081129_ANP-concertactie


so through article 43 is the only option for Aruba

that's why i keep repeating that it is important to contact the Dutch members of Parliament.
and the coming week is crucial with debates on Tuesday, Wednesday and Thursday - leading op to the Round Table Conference between the three Prime-Ministers with Balkenende presiding in Curaçao on December 15th.

list of members of Parliament of the Aruban/Antilles committee:
http://www.tweedekamer.nl/kamerleden/commissies/NAAZ/index.jsp#0
names on top of the list are the highest ranking members.
(e-mail will appear if you click on a name and "Naar persoonlijke pagina").

[texasmom]

Caesu,
Thank you!   

[wreck]

Scandi wrote:

Thanks for that Tamikosmom,  Now I understand why Klassend feels so strongly there was a body discovered in the trap.  I wish I knew who our Kermit really is as he/she is definitely a special frog!

 

Can you explain what is so special about a person who asked permission to post portions of a  PRIVATE dialog, was NOT given permission, but posted it anyways? That is special? I think it is wrong. You do all understand that Kyle's posts were part of a DIALOG!! amongst trusted friends..or so it appears to me. I doubt this was Kyle talking to himself...so why just post Kyle's portion? Were there others who agreed, disagreed? And you wonder why I keep harping the "out of context" message...because anytime you take posts out of a dialog...you take it out of context!!!!

 

Can you also tell me what is so special about a person who claims they are being "threatened" not to post any additional info..when they have not been? Hey kermit, I saw the "threatening e-mail". You have posted everything else out of context, why withhold the "threats". Because there weren't any.

 

IF...lets assume IF these posts Kermit is posting were taken from a private forum, where confidentiality was SACRED!!!!!!!! so that people could discuss the Persistence search and noodle out ideas, information, facts, theories, fears, etc.....a private forum that was DEDICATED TO FINDING JUSTICE FOR NATALEE!!! where CONFIDENTIALITY had to be SACRED!!!! would you still consider Kermit so "special"?

 

If the posts that Kermit is posting...were SHARED!!! OPENLY!!! not covertly..OPENLY in a P_R_I_V_A_T_E forum...a "think tank" per se, amongst trusted and dedicated people who have spent the last three and a half years dedicated to posting the truth about Aruba and seeking justice for Natalee...would that change your opinions of the information that Kermit is posting at all? Would you then think what was posted was taken out of context. Would you be less likey to question the integrity of Kyle and the members of the Persistence? Would you question then...as I am...Kermit's motives? Is it really the truth she is looking for?

Well, I find that remark particulary offensive.  Just WTF do you think we're all spending time on here doing?

And, btw, all those exclamation points reek off jr high school.

JMO

I agree 1000%. All of this "we are the priviliged few with the inside scoop" pisses me off. I haven't spent 3 /12 years trying to find answers here and then be treated as  "unworthy" of knowing the "REAL" facts. I just as soon you all take your "private forum" and stuff it.