Natalee Case Discussion #783 12/6/08 - 12/8/08

[texasmom]

Thank You,

I called the suicide hotline after sitting through the View and they talked me down. They were very empathetic to my suffering.

I feel like a slab of Velveeta but will be back on Wednesday. Trying to write those women is much more fun. Anyone have whoopi's email address? I want to play the race card (i.e. the guards.)

 

OMG Frank, that's funny!!!!!  

And, let us know what Whoopi says...please!  

[snoopy]

Ok Frank.  I don't know how to do pictures, but I can whip up some pretty good letters.

God luv ya for setting thru that show.  Wow.  Whatever it takes for Natalee.

[WhiskeyGirl]

This is why i can't for the life of me get my brain around this one.
1.We know Aruba is corrupt to the core.
2.Richardson,Mos,as well as other ALE involved in meetings.
3.You find the target your looking for.
4.Is it possible to retrieve samples without the ALE knowing??I think so...
5.Who alerted the ALE that the target was located???
6.Who was responsible for coordinating the dives??
7.Why would you let ALE dive on that without retrieving samples for yourselves?Why let them know you found anything??How would they know you found anything unless you told them??

Just more questions that only someone on the Persistence can ask!
1.Silvetti
2.Schaeffer
3.Kyle(OE)

#3 - I am not convinced that anyone found what they were looking for.  Where is the evidence?  I haven't seen all the videos/pictures and I just don't know if there was a skull or a rock. 

I'm thinking this may be like the picture of the face on Mars--just a fluke.  If it's not a fluke, perhaps there is something going on that I cannot get my mental arms around.  Maybe a game of chicken, or poker, and I don't play either of those games.

If someone is playing those games, all will come out in the end.

The finger is still pointing at Aruba.   

just my humble opinions

[Tamikosmom]

Well, I spent my lurking time today catching up on all of yestrday's posts.  I still do not know who is right or who is wrong.  There have been many astute observations made on both sides of the (Persistence mission/Human remains/Somebody is trying to make money/etc) equation. 

The most educational post of the year came from Klaasend (and, no, I'm not kissin' up).

THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A PRIVATE FORUM

In everyday life if you say it out loud it can and...if juicy enough...will be repeated.  I don't care who you say it to.  It's out there once you verbalize.

In the cyberworld...if you type it, it can and...if juicy enough...will be copied and posted again somewhere.  I don't care how clandestine you thing that site is.  It's out there once you post it.

It is disheartening to see monkeys going at each other, especially when I have watched them for so long work so hard to get answers for Natalee.  I hope all of this gets resolved soon.  Since I was not on the boat or the island I don't really know who is right and who is wrong.  I'll just collect the information from both sides and see if it produces any results down the road.


Carry on, Monkeys.  Natalee still needs justice!

Oh, they might remain secure and private for a while but eventually something will "sneak" out.  It always happens.  Either someone gets mad or there's a traitor in the group.  I've seen it happen over and over again. 

That's why i believe open Forums are a blessing!!

... and no Private Mail (PM). 

When it comes to emails between posters ... keep in mind that anything you share could appear on an Open Forum if there is a falling out.

Consider your words prior to hitting the send icon.

 

Janet

[snoopy]

Please take 5 minutes and write anyone on this list, thanks to Helen.

Just a simply why? would suffice. But please make contacts.

http://www.tweedekamer.nl/kamerleden/commissies/NAAZ/index.jsp#0

Should I send a letter to each person on this list or is there a few specific ones?

TIA

Hi Snoppy.  How's it going.

Janet

Don't know yet.  Still waiting for the test results.  What I know for sure is that those darn diamond earrings I had picked out for Christmas are gone.  lol  Oh well.........hubby ask me if I would want a smaller pair....I said I sure do not... just start saving again buddy.  And that thingamajigger you's wanting for your camaro....yea kiss that goodbye too. lol

Thanks for asking.

[Tamikosmom]

Please take 5 minutes and write anyone on this list, thanks to Helen.

Just a simply why? would suffice. But please make contacts.

http://www.tweedekamer.nl/kamerleden/commissies/NAAZ/index.jsp#0

Should I send a letter to each person on this list or is there a few specific ones?

TIA

Hi Snoppy.  How's it going.

Janet

Don't know yet.  Still waiting for the test results.  What I know for sure is that those darn diamond earrings I had picked out for Christmas are gone.  lol  Oh well.........hubby ask me if I would want a smaller pair....I said I sure do not... just start saving again buddy.  And that thingamajigger you's wanting for your camaro....yea kiss that goodbye too. lol

Thanks for asking.

 

Snoppy you are a hoot!!

Hey ... keep up updated.

Janet

[Keepthefaith]

This is why i can't for the life of me get my brain around this one.
1.We know Aruba is corrupt to the core.
2.Richardson,Mos,as well as other ALE involved in meetings.
3.You find the target your looking for.
4.Is it possible to retrieve samples without the ALE knowing??I think so...
5.Who alerted the ALE that the target was located???
6.Who was responsible for coordinating the dives??
7.Why would you let ALE dive on that without retrieving samples for yourselves?Why let them know you found anything??How would they know you found anything unless you told them??

Just more questions that only someone on the Persistence can ask!
1.Silvetti
2.Schaeffer
3.Kyle(OE)

#3 - I am not convinced that anyone found what they were looking for.  Where is the evidence?  I haven't seen all the videos/pictures and I just don't know if there was a skull or a rock. 

I'm thinking this may be like the picture of the face on Mars--just a fluke.  If it's not a fluke, perhaps there is something going on that I cannot get my mental arms around.  Maybe a game of chicken, or poker, and I don't play either of those games.

If someone is playing those games, all will come out in the end.

The finger is still pointing at Aruba.   

just my humble opinions

1.The Target being the cage!
2.Talk to ALE about what was or wasn't in the cage!Guess we'll never know!

[texasmom]

Please take 5 minutes and write anyone on this list, thanks to Helen.

Just a simply why? would suffice. But please make contacts.

http://www.tweedekamer.nl/kamerleden/commissies/NAAZ/index.jsp#0

Should I send a letter to each person on this list or is there a few specific ones?

TIA

Hi Snoppy.  How's it going.

Janet

Don't know yet.  Still waiting for the test results.  What I know for sure is that those darn diamond earrings I had picked out for Christmas are gone.  lol  Oh well.........hubby ask me if I would want a smaller pair....I said I sure do not... just start saving again buddy.  And that thingamajigger you's wanting for your camaro....yea kiss that goodbye too. lol

Thanks for asking.

I hope everything is o.k. Snoopy.  I know how shocking those veterinary specialist bills can be.  I've been there.  But I wouldn't change anything, I know I did all that I could; and you will too.  And somehow I think Santa will be good to you anyway!   

[Helen Back]

Janet,

Thanks for your post regarding Rudy Croes comments, THEN and NOW.  Pretty shocking demonstration that the MINISTER OF JUSTICE IN ARUBA IS AN INCOMPETENT BUFFOON! 

Anyway, thanks.  I'm using some of your info in my email campaign.  Maybe I'll send a copy of each one to Greta.

Hey Snoopy,

I'm starting at the top of the list and working my way down.  It's just what I can do today.  Hugs to snoopy dawg.

[blah]

There is no protocol on how to treat "old" vs. "new" monkeys.  Seems there is an effort underway to disrupt this forum by some "older" monkeys.  I'm not suggesting that Hotshot is one of those "older" monkeys but there does appear to be an effort going on behind the scenes.  I'm not talking about only in this forum but also in the Caylee Anthony forum. I have a pretty good idea who the "older" monkeys are that are behind the effort.  The words pathetic, laughable and wrong come to mind.

Go Get 'em Klaas!!!!

 

[texasmom]

Rudy Croes Obstructed Justice: Minister Croes of Justice Finally Admits Natalee Holloway Case Messed Up by Nepotism, Blames van der Straten

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2008/12/08/rudy-croes-obstructed-justice-minister-croes-of-justice-finally-admits-natalee-holloway-case-messed-up-by-nepotism-blames-van-der-straten/

Define irony? The Justice Minister of Aruba Rudy Croes obstructing justice in the case of the disappearance of Natalee Holloway. Croes claims that Jan van der Straten intentionally messed up the case due to nepotism, yet Rudy Croes never came forward with this information until now. Beth and Dave Holloway would have been interested in Croes’ latest comment in June 2005.

Great front page if anyone missed it!  Great job on the video Klaas! 

[Tamikosmom]

There is no protocol on how to treat "old" vs. "new" monkeys.  Seems there is an effort underway to disrupt this forum by some "older" monkeys.  I'm not suggesting that Hotshot is one of those "older" monkeys but there does appear to be an effort going on behind the scenes.  I'm not talking about only in this forum but also in the Caylee Anthony forum. I have a pretty good idea who the "older" monkeys are that are behind the effort.  The words pathetic, laughable and wrong come to mind.

 

Does "older" refer to age or ... the length of time in the cage?

Janet

[Tamikosmom]

Janet,

Thanks for your post regarding Rudy Croes comments, THEN and NOW.  Pretty shocking demonstration that the MINISTER OF JUSTICE IN ARUBA IS AN INCOMPETENT BUFFOON! 

Anyway, thanks.  I'm using some of your info in my email campaign.  Maybe I'll send a copy of each one to Greta.

Hey Snoopy,

I'm starting at the top of the list and working my way down.  It's just what I can do today.  Hugs to snoopy dawg.

You are welcome Helen.  Thank you for your effort.

Janet

[Lifesong]

I sent a bunch to emails from that list this morning and just received a response from H. van Bommel...for what its worth:

From: Bommel van H. [mailto:H.vBommel@tweedekamer.nl]
Sent: Monday, December 08, 2008 4:46 PM
To: DELETED
Subject: RE: Corruption in Aruba

Please contact our spokesperson on the subject mr. Ronald van Raak, rvraak@sp.nl

So, guess I'll forward my message on to that guy.

[BTgirl]

There is no protocol on how to treat "old" vs. "new" monkeys.  Seems there is an effort underway to disrupt this forum by some "older" monkeys.  I'm not suggesting that Hotshot is one of those "older" monkeys but there does appear to be an effort going on behind the scenes.  I'm not talking about only in this forum but also in the Caylee Anthony forum. I have a pretty good idea who the "older" monkeys are that are behind the effort.  The words pathetic, laughable and wrong come to mind.

 

Does "older" refer to age or ... the length of time in the cage?

Janet

In my case it doesn't matter. I'm "old" in both meanings of the word. 

[Frank]

What I'm amazed at is that when anyone talks about mistakes or poor investigation, you don't put 2 innocent security guards in jail for 10 days because of a mistake.

That's why I don't think that reasoning will fly. How do you link the "evidence" jan van der straaten had with arresting the guards?

Why these guards? On the word of Joran van der sloot? What, when he accuses 2 black guys, that's evidence! But when he confesses he's a liar?

Van der straaten will not be the scapegoat. Aruba will blame Holland and Holland will blame Aruba, they will blame the "system." There is no money to pay anyone anything.

[Tamikosmom]

There is no protocol on how to treat "old" vs. "new" monkeys.  Seems there is an effort underway to disrupt this forum by some "older" monkeys.  I'm not suggesting that Hotshot is one of those "older" monkeys but there does appear to be an effort going on behind the scenes.  I'm not talking about only in this forum but also in the Caylee Anthony forum. I have a pretty good idea who the "older" monkeys are that are behind the effort.  The words pathetic, laughable and wrong come to mind.

 

Does "older" refer to age or ... the length of time in the cage?

Janet

In my case it doesn't matter. I'm "old" in both meanings of the word. 

 

BT ... I do not have a clue what Klaas is talking about.  Maybe I am not only old but ... senility is creeping in.

I did put the salt and pepper away in the fridge the other day.

 

Janet

[Helen Back]

I sent a bunch to emails from that list this morning and just received a response from H. van Bommel...for what its worth:

From: Bommel van H. [mailto:H.vBommel@tweedekamer.nl]
Sent: Monday, December 08, 2008 4:46 PM
To: DELETED
Subject: RE: Corruption in Aruba

Please contact our spokesperson on the subject mr. Ronald van Raak, rvraak@sp.nl

So, guess I'll forward my message on to that guy.

Good job, Lifesong.
 
Maybe I will get some replies.  I'll contact the spokesperson on the "subject" as well.  But I think I'll wait until a reply directs me accordingly.

But I'm going to send them something every day. 

 

[wreck]

There is no protocol on how to treat "old" vs. "new" monkeys.  Seems there is an effort underway to disrupt this forum by some "older" monkeys.  I'm not suggesting that Hotshot is one of those "older" monkeys but there does appear to be an effort going on behind the scenes.  I'm not talking about only in this forum but also in the Caylee Anthony forum. I have a pretty good idea who the "older" monkeys are that are behind the effort.  The words pathetic, laughable and wrong come to mind.

 

Does "older" refer to age or ... the length of time in the cage?

Janet

In my case it doesn't matter. I'm "old" in both meanings of the word. 

 

BT ... I do not have a clue what Klaas is talking about.  Maybe I am not only old but ... senility is creeping in.

I did put the salt and pepper away in the fridge the other day.

 

Janet

for "Cold Spice" ??? (that's after shave isn't it?) 

[Helen Back]

There is no protocol on how to treat "old" vs. "new" monkeys.  Seems there is an effort underway to disrupt this forum by some "older" monkeys.  I'm not suggesting that Hotshot is one of those "older" monkeys but there does appear to be an effort going on behind the scenes.  I'm not talking about only in this forum but also in the Caylee Anthony forum. I have a pretty good idea who the "older" monkeys are that are behind the effort.  The words pathetic, laughable and wrong come to mind.

 

Does "older" refer to age or ... the length of time in the cage?

Janet

In my case it doesn't matter. I'm "old" in both meanings of the word. 

 

BT ... I do not have a clue what Klaas is talking about.  Maybe I am not only old but ... senility is creeping in.

I did put the salt and pepper away in the fridge the other day.

 

Janet

for "Cold Spice" ??? (that's after shave isn't it?)