Natalee Case Discussion #783 12/6/08 - 12/8/08

[Blonde]

Does anyone else remember, when Paulus was denied compensation.  Karen J had shown a slide show, during the appeal,  which explained the two contacts with Natalee...and I swear...there was something mentioned about wiretaps and contact between Van der Straaten and Paulus.   

09. COMPENSATION DENIED - DETENTION JUSTIFIED

Aruba Diario - 02-14-07
The whole case of the disappearance of Natalee Holloway gets a different twist now that the information has come out from no less than the Superior Court, and in which mention is made of the declarations of witnesses and a phone tap that show or give an indication that Paul van der Sloot had on two occasions personal contact with Natalee during the night that she disappeared. Mention is made that, according to one or more official reports of the phone tap and also the declaration of Paul van der Sloot himself, that Paul fetched Joran and Natalee at McDonald and took them to the Holiday Inn. Based on this information, the judicial authorities and the police had at that time a justified basis to arrest Paul van der Sloot based on different suspicions. Translation Credit: Diario Aruba
http://64.233.169.132/search?q=cache:nlEfzdC_PWAJ:nataleesfreebirds.blogspot.com/2007/08/paulus-van-der-sloot.html+Paulus+was+denied+compensation&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=us

[Helen Back]

In regards to the "DARY" i met in 04, I went to google images and started browsing.. I found the one I was talking about, that Joran was with. I attached the picture, hope I did it right! The one I met was the one in the picture with the red shirt, standing next to Joran. The only difference was when I met him, he was wearing glasses. I haven't seen his picture before on the forum, so I don't know if he has anything to do with the case or not. But that's definitely Dary! Or so they called him anyway..

Ronnie

Freddy

Wow....I thought it looked like Freddy, but he is tiny in that pic!  Didn't know he was a little guy.

 

[klaasend]

Ronnie - is this him?  Freddy Zedan Arambatzis

[truthseeker2]

[truthseeker2]

Well, I guess I should have resized that pic.  But, it is Freddy and Wee Winkie Van Der Sloot.  You can only make that just so big.

[Buckeye]

In regards to the "DARY" i met in 04, I went to google images and started browsing.. I found the one I was talking about, that Joran was with. I attached the picture, hope I did it right! The one I met was the one in the picture with the red shirt, standing next to Joran. The only difference was when I met him, he was wearing glasses. I haven't seen his picture before on the forum, so I don't know if he has anything to do with the case or not. But that's definitely Dary! Or so they called him anyway..

Ronnie

Freddy....he knows the truth.....

[Buckeye]

Thanks Janet and Blonde.

I could swear there was also discussion regarding Vander Straaten and Paulus and phone taps...

[truthseeker2]

Ronnie,

Were there any blonde girls in your group?

[truthseeker2]

Thanks Janet and Blonde.

I could swear there was also discussion regarding Vander Straaten and Paulus and phone taps...

There were discussions about recorded phone conversations.  I just don't know where to find that information.

[texasmom]

Thanks Janet and Blonde.

I could swear there was also discussion regarding Vander Straaten and Paulus and phone taps...

I thought so too Buckeye, but haven't found anything yet. 

[Buckeye]

Interesting post, in Amigoe from Dec 2007 regarding Persistence (from Getagrip):
... The organization receives a lot of monetary- as well as emotional support on the weblog. This support is mainly from people that give the Lord’s blessing and that ask everybody to pray for the crew on the ship and the Holloway family. Criticism is not really tolerated on the website. These are not even added to the log. An anonymous informant is wondering whether the authorities are on board of the ship for if they find evidence. The lawyers of the former suspects are afraid that evidence can be planted by the crew. “They may just drop or add a purse for example.”

The OM does not cooperate with the search action, but wants to be kept informed of whatever is discovered that can be of interest. It is not known whether the crew has applied for a work permit for the search with the government.

http://getagripmonkey.blogspot.com/search?updated-min=2007-01-01T00%3A00%3A00-05%3A00&updated-max=2008-01-01T00%3A00%3A00-05%3A00&max-results=26

[RonnieNY87]

You know, all the pictures i've seen of Freddy throughout the investigation I thought resembled the guy I met with Joran. The picture I posted is DEFINITELY the one I met, no doubt about it. Same exact height, build, skin color. Like I said, only difference is he was wearing glasses. The pictures of Freddy resemble him, but I didn't think it was the same person as Freddy seems to be slightly better looking.. Then again, I had only met him the one time, and he kept to himself so its possible.. I just don't get why theyd tell me his name was Dary if it was Freddy.

If they were using "Dary" as a nickname for Freddy back then, could it be possible that Freddy is the "Daury" Joran mentioned in the hidden confession? Very interesting...

[San]

Magnolia
I am a very old monkey.   I remember when one of the first secret forums
started.  They were all monkeys who thought they knew more.  I also
remember Ringo and Kathy coming to this forum one night and causing
all sorts of havoc and then attempting to take all of their post from here
to the private forum.  Suddenly, about half the monkeys were gone.
I see a lot of them turning up now with different nics and they come
in groups.

Funny, you remember all the bad things. Ringo took quite a bit of us over there, and many are still here today.  Why bring me up?  We didn't go over there because we thought we knew more, we went over there because of crap like this.. that you are pulling.  That was quite a few years ago, and if I can recall that was the only way any of us could talk with Dave at that point in time.  No need to bring names up now, I am sure there are people here that won't be too happy about that.  Anymore digging you want to do?  

As I said, I am a very old monkey.  I have good long term memory...
can't say a lot for the short term memory.
Did I mention Hotshot?   I didn't think I did.

You may be an older Monkey but you are wiser.

[Tamikosmom]

keepthefaith, it seems that they didn't need any evidence, only a strong suspicion to hold them...

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,159006,00.html

Aruban PM Seeks Answers
Saturday , June 11, 2005

ORANJESTAD, Aruba —

Finding 18-year-old Natalee Holloway (search) is currently Aruba's "No. 1 goal," the country's prime minister said Thursday after three more suspects were arrested in connection with the American tourist's disappearance.

"We stand behind the family of Natalee Holloway in full support," Prime Minister Nelson Orlando Oduber said. "This investigation must move along swiftly … we will not stop until we have answers. We are shocked and completely distraught."

Holloway was on a five-day graduation vacation with 124 classmates and seven chaperones when she disappeared without a trace. The Alabaman was last seen at a local bar about 1:30 a.m. Memorial Day (search), getting into a car with three islanders she'd apparently befriended.

Those three islanders were questioned and released last week but were arrested again on Thursday. Two other men are also in custody and being questioned.

The Aruba police and other international authorities "are doing everything in their power to find Natalee," Oduber said, adding that he's been in touch with U.S. officials like Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, Alabama Gov. Bob Riley and Alabama Sen. Jeff Sessions.

"The government of Aruba has always made the safety ... of our community and our visitors a top priority," the prime minister said during a press conference that Holloway's mother also attended. "Aruba has very strong ties to the United States. We will not tolerate any activities that harm our American friends or any of our international visitors, or part of our community at large."

Officials said earlier Thursday that the three men arrested gave the Alabama teen a ride back to her hotel the night she disappeared.

The trio — two Surinamese and a native of the Netherlands — told police they dropped off Holloway at her hotel around 2 a.m. on May 30. Holiday Inn employees, however, say that security cameras did not record her return.

The Dutch suspect, Joran Andreas Petrus Van Der Sloot, a student at Aruba International School, came out of his upper-class home in Oranjestad on Thursday with his head covered in a blue and green towel.

The Surinamese brothers in custody are Satish Kalpoe, born July 30, 1986, and Deepak Kalpoe, born Oct. 6, 1983. They are the sons of a local Aruban business man.

Van Der Sloot's father is a prominent official in the Aruban justice system. The younger Van Der Sloot, born Aug. 6, 1987, may have been romantically involved with the 18-year-old Holloway the night she disappeared. He met Holloway at a hotel casino two days before she was last seen, Aruban Police Commander Jahn van der Straaten told reporters.

The three, described by authorities earlier as witnesses and "persons of interest," had been released last week after being questioned about Holloway.

Aruba Attorney General Caren Janssen (search) said the three were arrested at 6 a.m. Thursday. She refused to say whether they were connected to the two men already being detained in the disappearance.

"It is likely it may have been a police strategy to let these three men go to gather more information," Ruben Trapenberg, spokesman for the Aruba government, told FOX News Thursday morning.

"The three witnesses gave information about the two guys [already in custody] and that is why they were held. If one of those two has an alibi, then the story [given by the three witnesses] doesn't fit and therefore the two may then be released depending on the proof."

Police also impounded a gray Honda car. Holloway's friends reported seeing her leave a bar in a silver car the night she disappeared.

Local police and the FBI said a lack of any solid leads was hindering progress in their search for Holloway. Local officials have asked the FBI to bring in dogs trained to search.

Police and volunteer land searches continued Wednesday with no results, while water searches, also unsuccessful, had been suspended "at this time," police spokesman Edwin Comenencia said.

"There is no physical evidence whatsoever and there are no statements given by any person that would indicate Natalee Holloway is not alive," Chris Lejuez, a court-appointed defense attorney for one of the two men previously arrested in the case, told FOX News Thursday morning.

Suspects: Holloway Was Drunk When We Dropped Her Off

Lejuez told FOX News that he and his colleague Noriana Pietersz had been given witness statements from only the two Surinamese citizens.

"I'm very happy that they're expanding the investigation," Lejuez told FOX News on Thursday morning. "It shows they are not focusing anymore on my client and the other person in custody. It shows the police finally realize they're not going to get anywhere with these two people."

The Kalpoe brothers told police that Van Der Sloot became intimate with Holloway at the California Lighthouse beach before they dropped her off at her hotel. They told police Holloway had been drinking heavily and was drunk, and then when she got out of their car in front of the Holiday Inn, she stumbled and fell to the ground.

When one tried to help her up, she pushed him away and said, "I can stand on my own!"

They say she then headed towards the lobby, and a black man in black pants and a black t-shirt escorted her inside.

The tape from the Holiday Inn lobby camera was reportedly checked by police but no images of Holloway were found, and the attorney says the security guard on duty from midnight on told authorities he never saw the teenager enter the hotel that night.

On Wednesday, a judge ruled that authorities had enough evidence to hold two former security guards arrested Sunday in connection with Holloway's disappearance.

At least one of the suspects, 28-year-old Abraham Jones, appeared in court in Aruba Wednesday morning. The other was identified as 30-year-old Mickey John.

Neither man has been charged with a crime, but both were being held on suspicion of first- and second-degree murder and capital kidnapping, the latter of which is invoked when a kidnapping victim is killed, according to their lawyers. According to Aruba law, only strong suspicion — not evidence — is necessary to continue holding a suspect.

"There is no reason to believe he's not telling the truth," Lejuez told FOX News Thursday morning, referring to his client, Jones. He added that Jones has repeated the same story to several people — that he was at a beach festival the night Holloway disappeared, then went home with his wife, where he slept until 7 a.m. the next day.

Lejuez dropped John as a client per a request from the prosecutor, who said it's not ethical for him to represent both clients. Whereas normally he would oppose such a move, Lejuez said, "in this case, considering the grave consequences it would have for the island of Aruba, I have ... deviated from what I normally do and honored their request to do so."

Pietersz, John's lawyer, said she spoke to her client in jail Thursday.

"I have decided not to demand the immediate release of my client," she said. "We prefer to let the prosecution investigate, confident that my client will be released by Wednesday" when a judge will decide whether to extend his detention.

Authorities may hold John and Jones without filing formal charges for up to 116 days, lawyers said. The two are Aruban citizens, though one is originally from Grenada. Family members insist the two men are innocent.

Judge J.S. Kuiperdal will review the case June 15 and every eight days after that if needed, officials said. Prosecutors asked that the defendants be kept in jail at least until June 15, when they hope to conclude their investigation.

Investigators must come up with some evidence to hold the suspects beyond that date.

Attorney general spokeswoman Vivian Van Der Biezan said she would check into whether Dutch law allows a charge of murder if no body is found.

Authorities have not said Holloway was a victim of foul play and have not ruled out any possibilities, including that she may have drowned.

Holloway spent her last night at a beach concert and then eating and dancing at Carlos 'n Charlie's bar and restaurant, which has donated $5,000 of a reward for information on her. She is described as a straight-A student who had a full scholarship to a premedical program at the University of Alabama.

The search for the Mountain Brook, Ala., teen began shortly after she failed to show up for her flight home the next morning. Police found her passport in her hotel room with her packed bags.

The Aruba government and local tourism organizations have offered a $20,000 reward for information leading to her rescue. Family and benefactors in Alabama have offered $30,000.

FOX News' Jonathan Serrie, Liza Porteus and The Associated Press contributed to this report.

Jug and Beth had it figured out but ... there was no way that the "powers that be" in Aruban were going to budge in regards to implicating Joran van der Sloot in the disappearance of Natalee ... the son of one of their own.

Janet

+++++++


NANCY GRACE
Latest in Search for Natalee Holloway
Aired October 4, 2005 - 20:00:00   ET

GEORGE "JUG" TWITTY, MISSING GIRL`S STEPFATHER: I don`t know. I mean, I asked him point blank, and Van Der Straaten said no. But I`ll tell you, Nancy, the deal is there`s -- the reason there`s no evidence was because the people didn`t do the right thing in the beginning. And I want the prosecutor or somebody to step up and say, Look, we made a mistake. We didn`t arrest them the second day, like we should have. We let them go for nine days. We gave them a chance to clean the car. We gave them a chance to hide everything, to set up everything, to set up their stories, point the fingers at the two black security guards.

Somebody -- you know, that`s the reason there`s no evidence. Had they gone to the -- and impounded that car that day -- the FBI told us there was blood all in the car. The prosecutor said the FBI said there was blood in the car. But for some reason or another, when they sent it off, they say now it`s all cleaning fluid. Well, who knows. I know they had nine days to clean the car.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0510/04/ng.01.html


Jug Twitty Lashes Out at the Prosecutor
Wednesday, September 28, 2005

GEORGE "JUG" TWITTY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY’S STEPFATHER: Why she will not admit — and this was one of the things we got in a heated conversation about, in my meeting with her on August the 28 — why she will not admit she made a mistake in not arresting those boys the night after we brought them to them on a silver platter and let them go for nine days. Her deal was, We’re going to let them go. We’re going to try to, you know, be like catching a mouse in a trap. We’re going to track them. They got nothing. I mean, you know, they were going to tape their phones. They were going to do this. They were going to — they got nothing.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,170678,00.html


'Rita Cosby Live & Direct' for Dec. 5th
updated 6:18 a.m. PT, Tues., Dec. 6, 2005

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY‘S MOTHER: ... Remember, within the first 24 hours, we knew who the suspects were. We knew the persons that Natalee were taken from Carlos and Charlie‘s. We knew the license plate of the gray Honda they placed her in. We knew the condition that Natalee was in. We knew the behavior or the conduct in which they engaged in with Natalee.

And then not only that, Jane, within 72 hours, we knew that their first story was totally fabricated, that within the first 72 hours, I faced a room of 12 -- at least 12 detectives, Aruban and Dutch detectives, and a lead detective, Dennis Jacobs (ph), and they knew after we reviewed video footage from the Holiday Inn casino lobby that my daughter had never been brought back to the Holiday Inn. They knew that those suspects were fabricating a story from day one.

<snipped>

TWITTY: Well, Jane, something that the family knew—and we have to keep reminding everyone—after 72 hours -- 72 hours—we knew definitively that these suspects were not telling the truth. We knew that my daughter had never been brought back to the Holiday Inn. Of course we were becoming frustrated. Who wouldn‘t, at this point? You know, we—and what was so unbelievable about this, is they knew this information and still chose to pursue the two security guards on June the 5th.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10348437/

[texasmom]

Interesting post, in Amigoe from Dec 2007 regarding Persistence (from Getagrip):
... The organization receives a lot of monetary- as well as emotional support on the weblog. This support is mainly from people that give the Lord’s blessing and that ask everybody to pray for the crew on the ship and the Holloway family. Criticism is not really tolerated on the website. These are not even added to the log. An anonymous informant is wondering whether the authorities are on board of the ship for if they find evidence. The lawyers of the former suspects are afraid that evidence can be planted by the crew. “They may just drop or add a purse for example.”

The OM does not cooperate with the search action, but wants to be kept informed of whatever is discovered that can be of interest. It is not known whether the crew has applied for a work permit for the search with the government.

http://getagripmonkey.blogspot.com/search?updated-min=2007-01-01T00%3A00%3A00-05%3A00&updated-max=2008-01-01T00%3A00%3A00-05%3A00&max-results=26

Very interesting.  Someone suggested to me last night that I try to find out what their work permit stated.  But maybe they didn't even have one?  Interesting.

[San]

WHO IS LOCKING?

[truthseeker2]

You know, all the pictures i've seen of Freddy throughout the investigation I thought resembled the guy I met with Joran. The picture I posted is DEFINITELY the one I met, no doubt about it. Same exact height, build, skin color. Like I said, only difference is he was wearing glasses. The pictures of Freddy resemble him, but I didn't think it was the same person as Freddy seems to be slightly better looking.. Then again, I had only met him the one time, and he kept to himself so its possible.. I just don't get why theyd tell me his name was Dary if it was Freddy.

If they were using "Dary" as a nickname for Freddy back then, could it be possible that Freddy is the "Daury" Joran mentioned in the hidden confession? Very interesting...

That pic that you posted is definitely Freddy.  I've never seen any pics of him with glasses, though.

[Nut44x4]

I HAVE CAYLEE'S LOCK ..... just so yazzz know, lol.

[San]

I HAVE CAYLEE'S LOCK ..... just so yazzz know, lol.

OK I'll take this one.  Thanks Nut.

[Anna]

polis cursow marlon wernet

Yes, something on that order.  If the cross on the emblem is real and not just oddly left from the thread deteriorating, etc. it should be linked to something.  Maybe a particular boat even. 

And I do believe the hat in that you posted of Bernadina photo is actually navy blue although it appears black as I have seen other photos enlarged them, etc. and the larger the photo, the more the cap/hat looks navy in color rather than black.