Natalee Case Discussion #785 12/13/08 - 12/17/08

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Kermit - I agree with 2NJ.  You shouldn't have to establish whether you are active or not, or if you are even part of the Secret Service.

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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #784 12/8/08 -
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Clinton at podium at President Richard Nixon's funeral. I am standing to the left


Billy Graham at RN funeral. I'm to the left


Military Honor Guards take the casket to the buriel plot. The family followed.
21 gun salute and then a military fly by on a dark cloudy day. It was impressive.

Kermit....so glad to see you. 
I can't figure out where you may be in the pics, but I'm glad you are back and I hope you can provide info that will bring Justice for Natalee....
Sharon did say: Kermit! Come out, come out, wherever you are. Lots of delicious flies await 

During the ceremony I was standing to the left of Clinton.
After the ceremony, inside I was downstairs next to another Secret Service agent.

So you are a female Secret Service agent????   I am impressesed.  Are you still active???

Kermit, so is that a YES -you ARE a Secret Service Agent?

Everybody seems so impressed, and asking if you are active.

Can you confirm or deny?

I don't think Kermit should have to confirm or deny anything.
None of the rest of us have to tell who we are
Kermit has given us good information and has given good
sources.  That should be all that is necessary. IMO

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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #784 12/8/08 -
« Reply #941 on: Today at 07:45:51 AM »
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Clinton at podium at President Richard Nixon's funeral. I am standing to the left


Billy Graham at RN funeral. I'm to the left


Military Honor Guards take the casket to the buriel plot. The family followed.
21 gun salute and then a military fly by on a dark cloudy day. It was impressive.

Kermit....so glad to see you. 
I can't figure out where you may be in the pics, but I'm glad you are back and I hope you can provide info that will bring Justice for Natalee....
Sharon did say: Kermit! Come out, come out, wherever you are. Lots of delicious flies await 

During the ceremony I was standing to the left of Clinton.
After the ceremony, inside I was downstairs next to another Secret Service agent.

So you are a female Secret Service agent????   I am impressesed.  Are you still active???

Kermit, so is that a YES -you ARE a Secret Service Agent?

Everybody seems so impressed, and asking if you are active.

Can you confirm or deny?

I don't think Kermit should have to confirm or deny anything.
None of the rest of us have to tell who we are
Kermit has given us good information and has given good
sources.  That should be all that is necessary. IMO

I agree!   

[billb's daughter]

Hey, I'm just a member for a long time here.... and not one to venture too far from home....I don't understand why Kermit has to validate who he/she is to give us tidbits such as pics etc......maybe I'm just dense.....that said....I'm still here and taking it all in....guess maybe I should have ventured out and about a bit.

Ditto.

Waiting for Kermit to respond to a few posts now about Secret Service or not...

from Kermit's post:
During the ceremony I was standing to the left of Clinton.
After the ceremony, inside I was downstairs next to another Secret Service agent.

[truthseeker2]

When we were working on some things in Shango, it came out that Urine might have had money coming in because he was quite possibly working at The Mill and that he is very likely bisexual.  Julia has a connection to this.  Those guys were also dealing in drugs and porn videos.

Oh, that Julia is heavily involved in this has not escaped me.  She was way too quick getting to Beth for my comfort level.  I spent some time in the Shango threads, but I have formed a different opinion based on some of the Shango posts combined with some of the Ernest Merian (Simian) posts that did not quite mesh with some of the other posters over there.  I never come to SM to argue with anyone.   For me...every possiblity is still viable.

Porn videos...I agree...not much of a stretch...I think that could have been a key component.  Joran strikes me as someone who has had very little guidance in matters related to sex and the opposite sex.  He is/was someone who was left open to whatever society had to offer and teach.  Don't get me wrong...I feel little empathy for the guy.  He seems to like what he is doing now.  And that is taking everyone for a ride on this thing.  He needs to be nailed to the wall on this.  I see no other way.  Without nailing this punk to the wall there will not be any justice for Natalee.

[2NJSons_Mom]

Kermit must have felt a need to post the pics to validate who Kermit is....that was my point.  I was wondering why the need to do this....again, maybe I'm dense...yes, I may have other descriptions applied. 

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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #784 12/8/08 -
« Reply #941 on: Today at 07:45:51 AM »
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Clinton at podium at President Richard Nixon's funeral. I am standing to the left


Billy Graham at RN funeral. I'm to the left


Military Honor Guards take the casket to the buriel plot. The family followed.
21 gun salute and then a military fly by on a dark cloudy day. It was impressive.

Kermit....so glad to see you. 
I can't figure out where you may be in the pics, but I'm glad you are back and I hope you can provide info that will bring Justice for Natalee....
Sharon did say: Kermit! Come out, come out, wherever you are. Lots of delicious flies await 

During the ceremony I was standing to the left of Clinton.
After the ceremony, inside I was downstairs next to another Secret Service agent.

So you are a female Secret Service agent????   I am impressesed.  Are you still active???

Kermit, so is that a YES -you ARE a Secret Service Agent?

Everybody seems so impressed, and asking if you are active.

Can you confirm or deny?

I don't think Kermit should have to confirm or deny anything.
None of the rest of us have to tell who we are
Kermit has given us good information and has given good
sources.  That should be all that is necessary. IMO

I agree!   

Go back to where Kermit first posted tonight, page 4 I think, and you will see Kermit led in with the pictures, and through subsequent posts suggested a secret service role. I don't think anyone here requires proof with a confirmation or denial....I for one never doubted Kermit was/is in a position to provide accurate investigative info. I look forward to Kermit's posts..

[billb's daughter]

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Go back to where Kermit first posted tonight, page 4 I think, and you will see Kermit led in with the pictures, and through subsequent posts suggested a secret service role. I don't think anyone here requires proof with a confirmation or denial....I for one never doubted Kermit was/is in a position to provide accurate investigative info. I look forward to Kermit's posts..
[/quote]
Can we get back on track though and try to figure out what Kermit was trying to tell us with his latest posts? I made a couple of comments about what I thought Kermit was pointing us too wrt the cover up and the high powers involved. Anyone have other comments?

[texasmom]

Kermit must have felt a need to post the pics to validate who Kermit is....that was my point.  I was wondering why the need to do this....again, maybe I'm dense...yes, I may have other descriptions applied. 

Just my opinion 2NJ, but I think this may have been in response to some posts from other monkeys who were upset with Kermit's sharing of information.  Some posts including suggestions of Kermit's line of work.  That information should have never been posted, period. 
 

[billb's daughter]

Go back to where Kermit first posted tonight, page 4 I think, and you will see Kermit led in with the pictures, and through subsequent posts suggested a secret service role. I don't think anyone here requires proof with a confirmation or denial....I for one never doubted Kermit was/is in a position to provide accurate investigative info. I look forward to Kermit's posts..
[/quote]
Can we get back on track though and try to figure out what Kermit was trying to tell us with  her latest posts? I made a couple of comments about what I thought Kermit was pointing us too wrt the cover up and the high powers involved. Anyone have other comments?

[/quote]

[2NJSons_Mom]

FIRST LET'S CONNECT THESE PLAYERS INVOLVED IN CORRUPTION IN ARUBA:
Paulus van der Sloot
Jan van der Straaten
Zwinkels
Vocking


Zaandam keeps on saying in his book, two days after 5/29, the body of Natalee H. may have already been foundand Cvp [police commissioner] looked the other way to do a favour for Paul vd Sloot (ex of chief staff of Cabinet PG [prosecutor general] J. Zwinkels).
Posted by Getagrip at 9/19/2005 12:18:00 PM

Remember ZWINKELS:

Paulus buddy from the old Tilburg days is the Prime Minister - Oduber 1991

and ZWINKELS WAS ATTORNEY GENERAL IN 1991 (we also know that this zwinkels guy was involved in mafia money too and that is why he was forced to resign for a period of time -


All the main players knew each other during his time in office
Governmental authorities
Mr. J.H.M. Zwinkels - Attorney General
Mr. B. Vocking - Deputy Director, Aruba Correctional Institute
Ms. C. van den Berg - Head of the Rehabilitation and Child Welfare Council
Ms. Y. Spellen - Director, Guardianship Board
Mr. J. van de Straten - Head of the National Bureau of Investigations

Zwinkels is back in power as attorney general in 1994

In 1995 Zwinkels is the Prosecutor in Aruba.


1997-1997 - Zwinkels left after a 2 yr battle with the Aruban gov't (they accused him of stealing drug money)


July of 1998 he has his Attorney General job back 07-07-98



June 26th, 2005 at 3:30 pm
Simian,
his lordship did not bring the key for the Arawaks
"they were stymied by misinformation and false leads planted by the corrupt authorities. Why was Natalee never found? The searchers were directed to all the wrong places!

(more on this later)

Bump....

[2NJSons_Mom]

Magnolia asked:

1998-   Michael Posner bought Grand Holiday Casnio September 1 and named it Excelsior.
He is a member of the GAMBINO MAFIA.

2001 Posner purchases the Brickell Bay Casino

Michael Posner's contributions to Aruba according to the newspaper
Aruba Today

Aruba Today- October 24th 2005
Michael Posner Contributes

There are a few people who in the last 10 years have added remendously to Aruba's product with great success. American businessman Michael Posner saw an opportunity in the mid 90's to purchase the Holiday Inn Casino, although it was run down an d on the brink of bankruptcy. Posner stepped in when the Holiday Inn Casino was in terrible condition with only 33 employees. He made a substantial investment into Aruba's product by renovating this deteriorating casino. Today the Excelsior Casino has
over 140 employees, with all management positi ons filled by Ar ubans, and pays millions of dollars in taxes each year.

Mr. Posner procured Aruba as the site for the World Poker Tournament for
the past 4 years and many years into the future. This has created 20-30 million USD for the economy of Aruba and 5 million yearly in free advertising for Aruba's tourist industry.

Posner also purchased and renovated the old Stauffer Hotel, which was considered at the time to be an eyesore to Palm Beach. He transformed the neglected hotel into the Brickell Bay Beach Club and today has over 100 employees, with all management level employment dedicated to Arubans.
He recently delivered a genuine act of kindness by donating all the rooms for the Texas EquuSearch team to search for Natalee Holloway, at a cost of over 100,000 Posner has been a generous supporter of many charities in Aruba, even going so far as to send a sick Aruban child to Disney World with his mot h er as part of the "Make a wish Foundation".

Aruba also thanks Posner for opening doors to potential new guest by making travel easier. He was directly responsible for bringing United Airlines to Aruba. Untied Airlines provides Aruba with 40,000 tourists and 300,000 hotel rooms annually.
Posner received no payment for his services and was awarded the distinction of "Aruba's Goodwill Ambassador".

Posner's contributions to Aruba's economy have been significant and greatly appreciated by the people. Besides all of humanitarian acts of kindness, he is also greatly appreciated for taking the reigns of failing bus inesses where no one else would and developing them into successful entities.
525 on: March 31, 2008, 07:00:13 PMhttp://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2733.msg369659

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[billb's daughter]

During the ceremony I was standing to the left of Clinton.
After the ceremony, inside I was downstairs next to another Secret Service agent.

[/quote]Secret Service agent. I never doubted that you were/are in a position better suited  than the average frog to sort this all out.
So I surmise that Natalee's disappearance is tied to posner (GAMBINO MAFIA/Excelsior) and with ZWINKELS providing high cover wrt Jan vds and vocking protecting pvds protecting jvds...Natalee (and Beth/Dave/Jug) never had a chance..
Wonder if jvds procured Natalee for posner or posner guest?

Bump (not sure if I'm doing this right, but here are the comments I made irt Kermit's posts

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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #784 12/8/08 -
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Clinton at podium at President Richard Nixon's funeral. I am standing to the left


Billy Graham at RN funeral. I'm to the left


Military Honor Guards take the casket to the buriel plot. The family followed.
21 gun salute and then a military fly by on a dark cloudy day. It was impressive.

Kermit....so glad to see you. 
I can't figure out where you may be in the pics, but I'm glad you are back and I hope you can provide info that will bring Justice for Natalee....
Sharon did say: Kermit! Come out, come out, wherever you are. Lots of delicious flies await 

During the ceremony I was standing to the left of Clinton.
After the ceremony, inside I was downstairs next to another Secret Service agent.

So you are a female Secret Service agent????   I am impressesed.  Are you still active???

Kermit, so is that a YES -you ARE a Secret Service Agent?

Everybody seems so impressed, and asking if you are active.

Can you confirm or deny?

I don't need to know who she/he is in order for me to make up my mind whether or not I believe a member or not.

Either you believe or you don't.

People might not like what I am going to say but this is how I feel so I will just say it.  Kermit please don't answer.

[2NJSons_Mom]

Kermit must have felt a need to post the pics to validate who Kermit is....that was my point.  I was wondering why the need to do this....again, maybe I'm dense...yes, I may have other descriptions applied. 

Just my opinion 2NJ, but I think this may have been in response to some posts from other monkeys who were upset with Kermit's sharing of information.  Some posts including suggestions of Kermit's line of work.  That information should have never been posted, period. 
 

Something I may have missed texasmom....if I had not I would not have asked.  I thought I had read them all, but maybe I am dense...it might have gone over my head. 

[billb's daughter]

During the ceremony I was standing to the left of Clinton.
After the ceremony, inside I was downstairs next to another Secret Service agent.

Secret Service agent. I never doubted that you were/are in a position better suited  than the average frog to sort this all out.
So I surmise that Natalee's disappearance is tied to posner (GAMBINO MAFIA/Excelsior) and with ZWINKELS providing high cover wrt Jan vds and vocking protecting pvds protecting jvds...Natalee (and Beth/Dave/Jug) never had a chance..
Wonder if jvds procured Natalee for posner or posner guest?

Bump (not sure if I'm doing this right, but here are the comments I made irt Kermit's posts
[/quote]
another bump from my post
Or posner providing financial cover for pvds/jdvs?  Work with me here Kermit

[San]

Kermit - I agree with 2NJ.  You shouldn't have to establish whether you are active or not, or if you are even part of the Secret Service.

What we have to remember is that we have a bunch of nuts reading this site.  Nuts who do not want this case solved no matter what.  Giving a persons personal information over the internet is dangerous.  JMO.

[Magnolia]

Magnolia asked:

1998-   Michael Posner bought Grand Holiday Casnio September 1 and named it Excelsior.
He is a member of the GAMBINO MAFIA.

2001 Posner purchases the Brickell Bay Casino

Michael Posner's contributions to Aruba according to the newspaper
Aruba Today

Aruba Today- October 24th 2005
Michael Posner Contributes

There are a few people who in the last 10 years have added remendously to Aruba's product with great success. American businessman Michael Posner saw an opportunity in the mid 90's to purchase the Holiday Inn Casino, although it was run down an d on the brink of bankruptcy. Posner stepped in when the Holiday Inn Casino was in terrible condition with only 33 employees. He made a substantial investment into Aruba's product by renovating this deteriorating casino. Today the Excelsior Casino has
over 140 employees, with all management positi ons filled by Ar ubans, and pays millions of dollars in taxes each year.

Mr. Posner procured Aruba as the site for the World Poker Tournament for
the past 4 years and many years into the future. This has created 20-30 million USD for the economy of Aruba and 5 million yearly in free advertising for Aruba's tourist industry.

Posner also purchased and renovated the old Stauffer Hotel, which was considered at the time to be an eyesore to Palm Beach. He transformed the neglected hotel into the Brickell Bay Beach Club and today has over 100 employees, with all management level employment dedicated to Arubans.
He recently delivered a genuine act of kindness by donating all the rooms for the Texas EquuSearch team to search for Natalee Holloway, at a cost of over 100,000 Posner has been a generous supporter of many charities in Aruba, even going so far as to send a sick Aruban child to Disney World with his mot h er as part of the "Make a wish Foundation".

Aruba also thanks Posner for opening doors to potential new guest by making travel easier. He was directly responsible for bringing United Airlines to Aruba. Untied Airlines provides Aruba with 40,000 tourists and 300,000 hotel rooms annually.
Posner received no payment for his services and was awarded the distinction of "Aruba's Goodwill Ambassador".

Posner's contributions to Aruba's economy have been significant and greatly appreciated by the people. Besides all of humanitarian acts of kindness, he is also greatly appreciated for taking the reigns of failing bus inesses where no one else would and developing them into successful entities.
525 on: March 31, 2008, 07:00:13 PMhttp://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2733.msg369659

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But Michael Posner was a convicted felon who had served prison time.
He should not have been allowed on the island, let alone start a business.
Who arranged all of the business dealings.  He also bought the Aloe business.

[SS]

Last week, Kermit posted a photograph of Marlon Brando as the Godfather.  Behind him, she pasted Joe Tacos picture on the attorney.  I wasn't quite sure exactly what she was saying because I already knew that Taco defended people in the mob.  Now it's making more sense.

It's also making more sense because Caps had already told us that van der Strattan, Vocking, and probably DTKM helped Paulass out the night that Natalee died.  I don't know who this Zwinkels guy is.  Van der Strattan knew Paulass from Holland where he was Urine's Godfather.  Now it appears that Oduber was also a buddy at Tillburg.  These are Paulass's connections and his support system.

I think Kermit is trying to tell us that Posner and the mob are involved with all of this.

[billb's daughter]

Kermit - I agree with 2NJ.  You shouldn't have to establish whether you are active or not, or if you are even part of the Secret Service.

What we have to remember is that we have a bunch of nuts reading this site.  Nuts who do not want this case solved no matter what.  Giving a persons personal information over the internet is dangerous.  JMO.

San, I agree wholeheartedly in your position that no one has to identify themselves before they are believed.
If you look back at Kermit's posts starting on page 4, it seemed to me and others that Kermit was posting those pics to establish that she/he was a secret service agent during Richard Nixon's funeral. Nobody asked Kermit: the questions only came after Kermit "outed' her/him self.....
What I'm now interested in is trying to figure out what Kermit is pointing us towards.....
I am impressed if Kermit was/is a secret service agent, but as I've said before, I've always believed in the info Kermit has provided, regardless of who she/he is: Peace