Natalee Case Discussion #785 12/13/08 - 12/17/08

[COLOMBO]

Arawak Hunters did not bumble, but dance the dance as the elders pull transparent strings.

[truthseeker2]

Controlling the investigation?  Yeah, probably...from behind the scenes.  Riveroll is at the head of the board of AHTA in December 2005.

The connection between Joran, the Radisson and the Wyndham as related to the events of 5/29 through 5/31 now appear to begin before Natalee disappeared.  If you buy into anything Joran had to say recently to Greta, he contacted a guy at the Radisson about delivering a blonde girl before he goes to CnC's.  When Beth and Jug arrive at his house during the early morning hours of 5/31, the story given is that Joran and Deepak are at the Wyndham...Joran then, in statements to polis after he is arrested, makes reference to the Radisson during that period.  Those two casinos are very close to each other.

As for Shango:

Riveroll

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 9:43 pm
Did the babylonians like to make movies?
From the tears, a new river will spring forth….

Shango Says: June 27th, 2005 at 10:31 pm
Mary never heard the buoy toll
ask the men who play dice and “roll”   (Shango has roll in quotes here.)

Shango Says: June 27th, 2005 at 10:37 pm
The DiceMen must be questioned.
They to go to the Music and enter the same Maze
Mary who was not a virgin entered
The DiceMen ROLLED
Mary ROLLED

Shango Says: June 27th, 2005 at 10:41 pm
Mary ROLLED through the Maze
There is more than one house of music
the Lamb is a Scapegoat

Shango Says: June 27th, 2005 at 10:42 pm
The Lamb returned to the fold
Mary Rolled
And the lions played


I have found articles from Aruba that spell the name as Riverol and Riveroll.

[COLOMBO]

interesting tributary of thought....hasn't been in the mainstream.....yet anyways

[San]

At the AHATA General Assembly
New Chairman Alfonso Riveroll makes an excellent speech
A.M. Digital
12/05/2005

The Radisson Aruba Resort & Casino hosted the Aruba Hotel & Tourism Association General Assembly last week. On the assembly’s agenda: the election of the new board with Chairman Alfonso Riveroll at the helm.

Riveroll, the owner of the Wyndham Aruba Resort Spa & Casino was visibly excited to assume the leadership of Aruba’s most important association



snip


At the end of his presentation, Riveroll reflected a bit on the most unprecedented level of media attention, Aruba has received in the past six month, most of it negative.

“Our image,” he said, “has certainly been tarnished and AHATA has been at the forefront with ATA, ATIA, Government, Chamber of Commerce and local business leaders, teaming up with a common purpose, to preserve the island’s image and minimize the impact of the Holloway disappearance. We have fared well, but we need to face such challenges with bold and fast actions,” he stated.

Oops...Forgot to include the link:

http://tinyurl.com/5t39dk

[Poochy]

interesting tributary of thought....hasn't been in the mainstream.....yet anyways

Very interesting.

So the codetalker "ask the gamblers who 'roll'" are the gamblers who are invited to Riveroll's parties?

Does Riveroll have a son Joran's age?

[Frank]

Anyone have the email for Ruben's father, what an ass? Aldo Ravioli has put himself in this story. He' put on the clown outfit and I need to write him.

What "disappearance?"

Nothing about the confirmed dead, murder, heavy battery, premeditation?

Is he putting a hit out on the van der sloots?

[COLOMBO]

interesting tributary of thought....hasn't been in the mainstream.....yet anyways

Very interesting.

So the codetalker "ask the gamblers who 'roll'" are the gamblers who are invited to Riveroll's parties?

Does Riveroll have a son Joran's age?

men who play dice & roll......other 'rollers' talk
http://www.myspace.com/dicemen

The Dicemen aim for total world domination. But if that's aiming too high this irresistible trio will be satisfied by making a lot of shows by spilling blood, sweat, and tears. Their own special blend of psychobilly is influenced by punk rock, rock & roll, rockabilly, hardcore, and death metal. The band is currently touring around Europe to infect poor innocent souls with their dirty power rock'n roll. As long as it stinks like sweat, tastes like beer and innocent girls fall to their knees when hearing the straight from the heart music, these Dicemen will conquer!

[COLOMBO]

Shango Says: June 27th, 2005 at 10:05 pm
The dice throwers know
the maze of the rave
and the fly that entered the trap
DirtyHand is the key
He walks in many circles

Shango Says: June 27th, 2005 at 10:37 pm
The DiceMen must be questioned.
They to go to the Music and enter the same Maze
Mary who was not a virgin entered
The DiceMen ROLLED
Mary ROLLED

Shango Says: June 27th, 2005 at 10:52 pm
DirtyHand has walked through the maze
He knows of the forbidden fruit
and the gardeners

[COLOMBO]

Shango Says: June 27th, 2005 at 10:57 pm
All know of the music
beckoning lost souls
to enter the seven levels of inferno

[Hotshot]

Would it be too much of stretch to say that Paulass works primarily for Posner and his government jobs with Aruba are really insignificant and basically a front?  If he's a Posner atttorney he no doubt gets big bucks.

I agree that his government jobs are a front.

Hmm..  Interesting theory.  Would Aruba continue to keep him on as an attorney then?  After all the grief his son has brought to the island? 

I don't think paulass works for aruba anymore. Isn't he with carlos now in private practice?

Yes, I think he does work for Carlos now.  But, in what capacity?  Can he practice law and if so would he have to pass the bar, sotaspeak?

Heres what he is doing......

[caesu]

FIRST LET'S CONNECT THESE PLAYERS INVOLVED IN CORRUPTION IN ARUBA:
Paulus van der Sloot
Jan van der Straaten
Zwinkels
Vocking


Zaandam keeps on saying in his book, two days after 5/29, the body of Natalee H. may have already been foundand Cvp [police commissioner] looked the other way to do a favour for Paul vd Sloot (ex of chief staff of Cabinet PG [prosecutor general] J. Zwinkels).
Posted by Getagrip at 9/19/2005 12:18:00 PM

Remember ZWINKELS:

Paulus buddy from the old Tilburg days is the Prime Minister - Oduber 1991

and ZWINKELS WAS ATTORNEY GENERAL IN 1991 (we also know that this zwinkels guy was involved in mafia money too and that is why he was forced to resign for a period of time -


All the main players knew each other during his time in office
Governmental authorities
Mr. J.H.M. Zwinkels - Attorney General
Mr. B. Vocking - Deputy Director, Aruba Correctional Institute
Ms. C. van den Berg - Head of the Rehabilitation and Child Welfare Council
Ms. Y. Spellen - Director, Guardianship Board
Mr. J. van de Straten - Head of the National Bureau of Investigations

Zwinkels is back in power as attorney general in 1994

In 1995 Zwinkels is the Prosecutor in Aruba.


1997-1997 - Zwinkels left after a 2 yr battle with the Aruban gov't (they accused him of stealing drug money)


July of 1998 he has his Attorney General job back 07-07-98



June 26th, 2005 at 3:30 pm
Simian,
his lordship did not bring the key for the Arawaks
"they were stymied by misinformation and false leads planted by the corrupt authorities. Why was Natalee never found? The searchers were directed to all the wrong places!

(more on this later)

Bump....

PG Aruba

J. H. M. Zwinkels 1994 - 1997/03/01
W.R. Rosingh 1997/03/01 - 2003/02/01 until 2003/01/01 Chief of Cabinet P.A.P.J. van der Sloot
T.D. Croes-Fernandes Pedra 2003/02/01 - pension dispute

caretaker PG:
Nico Jörg 2007/06/23 - 2008/06/23
R.F. Pietersz 2008/06/23 - 2008/12/23 (might get extended by another 6 months)


earlier i wrote that van der Sloot was Chief of Cabinet under Croes-Fernandes, this was an error.

Thanks caesu...This is what I was looking for yesterday when I asked about Zwinkels.

From memory of previous discussions and checking on Paulus, he took the job as Lands Advokaat with the Aruban Goverment for 5 years. This takes us to 1994/1995.

The government then wanted him to do only contracts. He took another job.

We find that when Remkes nominated him to be a Judge in Training he was Private Secretry to the Procurer-General.

Is this the job he took in 1994/1995?

Is so...He worked for Zwinkels...I think??

he was Landsadvocaat during the first part of the Zwinkels period.
Landsadvocaat represents the Government.

in a newspaper article posted bij Johan555 it reads that Van der Sloot worked arrived in Aruba in 1991.
http://forum.fok.nl/topic/1132052/1/25#57148989
he worked first as Landsadvocaat but the he was 'too honest' in view of the Government (his words).
so the Government let him write contracts instead.

he worked for the Government for 5 years. that would bring us to 1996/1997.
that was the time when Zwinkels left and Rosingh became PG.
then he became chief of cabinet for the PG.

so that would mean Van der Sloot has been chief of cabinet for Rosingh for Rosingh's entire term as PG.
and Van der Sloot never worked for Zwinkels. it is even possible that he worked against Zwinkels, as the Eman Government wanted to oust Zwinkels - and a Landsadvocaat represents the Government.

however for the last part of his time working for the Government he only prepared these contracts - so at that time when the Cargo-Affair came to light and Zwinkels was ousted Van der Sloot was not Landsadvocaat.

[MumInOhio]

Caesu...Not sure if it makes a lot of difference or not, but Johan and I tossed this around a few months back, about when the van der Sloots arrived in Aruba.

I am absolutely sure it was not 1991. The interview that Anita gave after the Februry DeVries show in support of Lorenzo may have been where I first saw 1990. I worked the math on different things I had, and came up with 1990. I even considered 1989. In my mind from what I went over then I am positive it was not 1991.

[2NJSons_Mom]

Mum,

Were you going by Joran's birth year?  88 or 89? 

[truthseeker2]

Yes, I think he does work for Carlos now.  But, in what capacity?  Can he practice law and if so would he have to pass the bar, sotaspeak?

Heres what he is doing......

Well, it's clearly a partnership.  Huh.  So Paulus does in fact practice law on some level in Aruba.

[Keepthefaith]

Yes, I think he does work for Carlos now.  But, in what capacity?  Can he practice law and if so would he have to pass the bar, sotaspeak?

Heres what he is doing......

Well, it's clearly a partnership.  Huh.  So Paulus does in fact practice law on some level in Aruba.

Who's is benefiting from what in this relationship??Antonio or Paulus?Remember Antonio was going to clear his conscious to KJ...Now Paulus is his partner?

[Anna]

I think there is more than one Dirty Hand depending on who the source is.  Uncle Jan van der Strattan was definitely a Dirty Hand and that is who the codetalkers seem to describe.  Our friend also told us about Frans Deutekom who we refer to as DTKM.  Supposedly he was sent to keep an eye on everything and clean up after Rudy Croes.  He is referred to as the behavior specialist and he is very powerful behind the scenes.  Posner would certainly be another Dirty Hand because of his mob power.

Dirty Hand could well be the corruption itself and refer to whichever corrupt official is in charge of any given situation.

Just a thought. . .


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[Anna]

Remember Paulus was given a Letter of Commendation from Karin Janssen stating he was not a suspect, was of good character, etc. and that is all it took for him to be able to be instated to the bar.

Also didn't Aruba Girl once post that he had also taught law at the Aruban University? 

We do have photos of Paulus being sworn into the bar, in his black robes, etc.  He has also since then received a public warning from Jorg I think it was about his unbecoming activities with regard to publicity in Natalee's case.

[Tamikosmom]

Mum,

Were you going by Joran's birth year?  88 or 89? 
 

Joran turned 18 years old in 2005 ... following the disappearance of Natalee Holloway.

I believe that would make his birthdate ... 1987.

Janet

+++++++

NANCY GRACE
Who Is Fourth Man Behind Bars in Holloway Case
Aired August 29, 2005 - 20:00:00   ET

JUG TWITTY: Well, I hope they haven`t. I mean -- but you know, the way this whole investigation`s going it seems that way. You know, what I wish, Nancy, is I wish what should have happened in this thing is Paul Van Der Sloot should have been a man, he should have stepped forward in the beginning. He should have talked to Joran that night. They should have admitted that something went wrong out there, which I know he knows that happened.

And if he would have come forward and said Joran did this, it`s a terrible mistake, it`s an accident, he`s still underage, he`s a minor, even if they killed Natalee he probably would have gotten off with about five years. Paul could have held -- kept his job, and we could have gone on with our lives, you know, or whatever.

But this guy, Paul Van Der Sloot is so thick in this thing it`s unbelievable. And you know, my mission is to keep pressure for them to keep asking questions of Paul because he knows more than he`s saying.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0508/29/ng.01.html

[Poochy]

Shango Says: June 27th, 2005 at 10:57 pm
All know of the music
beckoning lost souls
to enter the seven levels of inferno

Colombo - I'm heading over to the codtalker thread if you care to join me.

[caesu]

Dutch Antilles politicians criticise Dutch PM

Published: Sunday 14 December 2008 12:21 UTC
Last updated: Sunday 14 December 2008 12:21 UTC

Politicians from the Dutch Antilles have criticised Dutch Prime Minister Jan Peter Balkenende. The Prime Minister is due to attend a Round Table Conference on Curaçao on Monday to discuss the new independent status of Curaçao and St Maarten.

Former Dutch Antilles prime minister Don Martina has accused Dutch Prime Minister Jan Peter Balkenende of abusing his power. In an open letter published in the Antillean newspaper Amigoe, Mr Martina writes that the Netherlands is not concerned with the rights and interests of the people of Curaçao. He also accuses the Netherlands of contravening administrative law by linking agreements to write off Curaçao's debts to better law enforcement on the island.

Opposition leader Jopi Abraham on Bonaire has also criticised Mr Balkenende for not inviting the opposition to the Round Table Conference. He says the Netherlands is another serious mistake in dealing with former colonies.

http://www.radionetherlands.nl/news/zijlijn/6093768/Dutch-Antilles-politicians-criticise-Dutch-PM