Natalee Case Discussion #785 12/13/08 - 12/17/08

[Blonde]

Remember Paulus was given a Letter of Commendation from Karin Janssen stating he was not a suspect, was of good character, etc. and that is all it took for him to be able to be instated to the bar.

Also didn't Aruba Girl once post that he had also taught law at the Aruban University? 

We do have photos of Paulus being sworn into the bar, in his black robes, etc.  He has also since then received a public warning from Jorg I think it was about his unbecoming activities with regard to publicity in Natalee's case.

[Blonde]

Wednesday, January 18, 2006
Paul Van Der Sloot Sworn In
Paul Van Der Sloot, once held in connection with the disappearance of an Alabama teenager was cleared on of suspicion in the case last November and has now been installed in the capacity of a lawyer on the island. Paul van der Sloot entered the courthouse yesterday to present his application to the “raad van toezict”
(Supervisory Commission) and the members of the Aruban Lawyers Association. The commission, together with the lawyers association reviewed his application and attached documents, concluding that he satisfied the qualifications to be accepted as an active lawyer working on the island of Aruba. (Aruba Today)




He had wanted to be a judge, but that did not quite work out (and I have heard a few reasons why and still don't understand why.) He is now sworn in as a lawyer and working with his son's lawyer in the law firm. - Greta Van Susteren



Remember this is a guy who apparently taught his son how to hide a body and made statements about, well if there is no body, there is no crime. I might agree that at this point they can‘t prove the case beyond a reasonable doubt, but...you have to be an idiot to think this father has no involvement in this case. - Wendy Murphy



(Photos: Diario Aruba)

http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://static.flickr.com/24/88401418_3f48ea511a_m.jpg&imgrefurl=http://joranvandersloot.blogspot.com/2006/01/paul-van-der-sloot-sworn-in-paul-van.html&usg=__TZr-k1lnGWnUX6xw7YRDvrSveQg=&h=180&w=240&sz=22&hl=en&start=4&sig2=by0jPFBOIUsPSLVvZ3LMlQ&tbnid=s2s-4yC_-lRWYM:&tbnh=83&tbnw=110&ei=jZRFSbWyJJqatwfH__HbCA&prev=/images%3Fq%3DPaulus%2Bvan%2Bder%2B%2BSloot%2Bbeing%2Bsworn%2Bin%26gbv%3D2%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DG

[texasmom]

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_50487.php

Google translation:

[SuzieQ]

Are there other countries where the tourism industry is a department of the government?



http://www.aruba.com/about/aboutus.php

The Aruba Tourism Authority is a government department funded by public funds. It has led the tourism marketing activities for over 50 years, diversifying markets and intensifying its activities in the marketplace. As the organization functions under government regulations in a private sector environment, it lobbies for more flexibility and independence in implementing its marketing plan.   

The Aruba Tourism Authority shares the government's macro-economic objective in further stimulating tourism as its key economic activity. Aruba Tourism Authority's general marketing objective is to invest in markets and in marketing activities, which will result in an increase of stay-over visitors. To achieve this objective, the Aruba Tourism Authority works to stimulate the interest of  visitors in defined markets, encouraging them to choose Aruba for their holidays, meetings, incentives and conventions.

The Aruba Tourism Authority's scope of responsibilities in the continuous successful development of Aruba's tourism industry is reflected in various success stories in the history of tourism and, in particular, in the annual increase of visitor, occupancy, expenditure and room nights. The main purpose of the Aruba Tourism Authority is to function as a leader in all forms of marketing, and promotion, online and offline, tourist information and customer service, sponsorship and organization of special events and hosting of partners, media, agents and special guests.

VISION
 
"A second home that fulfills dreams and inspires happiness and unity for all. ATA is a family achieving excellence in tourism through love, dedication and professionalism.
We are a team strengthening Aruba as the top destination in the world."

 
 
MISSION
 
"To position Aruba as a preferred tourism destination in the Caribbean by excelling in quality service and teamwork"
 

Industry Partners include:
Aruba Hotel & Tourism Association - www.ahata.com
Caribbean Tourism Organization - www.onecaribbean.org
World Tourism Organization - www.world-tourism.org
World Travel & Tourism Council - www.wttc.org

The tourism industry, both worldwide as in Aruba, has grown tremendously in volume and activity. The Aruba Tourism Authority now has offices or representation in the following countries:

Aruba: Head Office
Europe: Belgium, Netherlands, Germany, Austria, Switzerland, Finland, Sweden, Norway, Denmark, United Kingdom, Ireland and Spain
N. America: Canada, USA
S. America: Argentina, Brazil, Colombia, Venezuela
Caribbean: Puerto Rico, Curacao

Click here for addresses and contact information of our representative offices around the world.
 
 
 

[Frank]

The Netherlands, like most other European countries, has very strict gun
control laws. Nonetheless, the Dutch murder rate is almost six times as
great as the United States' overall homicide rate.


> An estimated 5,981 people -- an average of 16 a day -- were killed by their doctors without their consent… And these numbers do not measure
> several other groups that are put to death involuntarily: disabled infants, terminally ill children, and mental patients. [Notice that Hitler
> began his genocidal programs with these groups, not Jews, Gypsies, or other ethnic minorities.]
> …The path to the death culture began when doctors learned to think like accountants. As the cost of socialized medicine in the Netherlands grew,
> doctors were lectured about the climbing cost of care. In many hospitals, signs were posted indicating how much old-age treatments cost taxpayers


5981 murders per year ("putting someone to death involuntarily," in the
absence of a conviction and sentence for a capital crime, is the
definition of murder) in a population of about 15.5 million equals a
rate of 38.6 murders per 100,000.

United States' homicide (murder, manslaughter, justifiable homicide)
rate = 6.62 homicides per 100,000. The Dutch murder rate is therefore
5.8 times the United States' homicide rate.

 
The Wall Street Journal article points out, by the way, that Holland was
the only Nazi-occupied country in which doctors universally ignored or
disobeyed Nazi orders to euthanize patients. It looks like European
socialized medicine succeeded where Gestapo coercion failed. Sieg Heil!

[SS]

Remember Paulus was given a Letter of Commendation from Karin Janssen stating he was not a suspect, was of good character, etc. and that is all it took for him to be able to be instated to the bar.

Also didn't Aruba Girl once post that he had also taught law at the Aruban University? 

We do have photos of Paulus being sworn into the bar, in his black robes, etc.  He has also since then received a public warning from Jorg I think it was about his unbecoming activities with regard to publicity in Natalee's case.

Yes Blonde.  Paulass did teach law classes at the university.  In Shango/Simian there was confusion for a while as to who was late for school the next morning.  Urine was on time for school.  Paulass was the one who was late for his class.

[MumInOhio]

Mum,

Were you going by Joran's birth year?  88 or 89? 

Hi 2NJS...No I was not making sense of some things that Johan was posting regarding Paulus' employment record. I searched around the archives and googled over a couple of mornings.

I kept coming up with an extra year from 1991. Even when I used all of 1991 and all of 2002, I was still ending up with one year too many.

Finally,after weighing all I had found and in frustration, I took Anita at her word in that one article and settled on 1990...I did save some of it, but not sure what...It is on the "sick" computer.

What kept throwing me off was that it was stated that Val was born in the Netherlands.Finally decided that really didn't men much.

LOL...Tend to get stuck on the little details!

[MumInOhio]

Was trying to read up on Zwinkels.  One thing interesting...during the crack down on drugs, in the early 90s, it was said that Dutch lawyers flocked to the island (in 1992).  Makes me wonder about Paulus's whole purpose in going to Aruba.  Maybe his whole intent was to work for and defend the connected.

Hi Buckeye...I have been trying for ages to look at Zwinkels...same old problem...it is so time consuming to trnslte from Dutch to English.

This one is about the Cargo affair and 2 cops are mentioned.

In the Netherlands was particularly super-prosecutor A. Docters van Leeuwen die in grote woede ontstak over de indiscrete rapportages van de Arubaanse politie. Docters van Leeuwen in great anger about the indiscreet ontstak reports of the Aruban police. Rasmijn en Zaandam moesten weg. Rasmijn and Zaandam had gone. De commissie-De Ruiter drong in zijn rapport ook aan op ontslag voor de beide politieagenten. The committee-The Horseman in his report also called for dismissal of the two policemen. Maar daar wil Aruba niet aan, blijkt uit een gesprek dat De Groene Amsterdammer een dag na de ondertekening van het rijksbesluit met Eman voerde in zijn Haagse hotel. But that does not want to Aruba, an interview that De Groene Amsterdammer a day after the signing of the empire act by Eman Hague claimed in his hotel.

http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=nl&u=http://www.groene.nl/1996/49/Braaf_aruba&sa=X&oi=translate&resnum=4&ct=result&prev=/search%3Fq%3DZwinkels%2Baruba%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DG

As a pure coincidence, and to pique your natural Shango curiosity just a bit, Leeuwen in Dutch means Lions.

Truthseeker...an oldie but goldie...

The Lionstone Group...Miami

Plans are in to develop – even by bringing in a Ritz – the San Nicolaas area, which has some wonderful beaches and the town itself, which is delightful. But it’s still the home of an oil refinery, and that, in the words of Alfredo Lowenstein, who owns The Holiday Inn, "It’s too early, too windy, there’s no road that goes there that misses the refinery. People who pay Ritz prices don’t want to look at factory smokestacks. They may own them." The Ritz is looking at the last piece of Palm Beach, and Mr. Lowenstein, who’s working on that project, may or may not get permission to build there.



http://www.internationalreports.net/theamericas/aruba/2002/aniceplace.html

[texasmom]

http://www.bondia.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=3319&Itemid=1

Papiamentu Translation:

minister rudy croes yesterday owing to give orden for inicia investigacion new in caso holloway

sunday, 14 december 2008 oranjestad — minister rudy croes owing to give instruccion at ministerio publico for inicia one investigacion ‘nobo’ in the caso of desaparicion of natalee holloway. in one combersacion cu the matutino here, the mandatario owing to confirma this brevemento but does not owing to give mucho informacion on this.e investigacion will is more bien enfoca on the first 10 dianan of the investigacion where cu have informacion cu cosnan will owing to bay enough left y cu will was motibo cu today still the caso do not soluciona. the mandatario owing to show cu for more informacion have to achieve this for of procurador general robert pietersz cu will is esun encarga cu the investigacion here. “e preparacionnan owing to inicia caba” croes owing to confirma also. the decision of actua aworaki is follow one serie of suceso of the ultimo simannan hour cu owing to inicia one ‘medio’ war among the mandatario y the ex comisario of police jan vd straten, on the actuacion of the ex police during the first 10 dianan of the investigacion. some declaracion cu the mandatario owing to haci in direccion of vd straten owing to achieve atencion mundial, till cu secretario of estado for asuntonan of the netherlands ank bijleveld owing to cay inside y also owing to sugeri for such investigacion take lugar. self instant is come also declaracionnan of politico dutch iron brinkman at television mericano the week here cu owing to calling the situation y politiconan ‘corupto as fierno’ come across. also owing to show cu the declaracion of minister croes owing to strike the clabo on his cabes y is confirma cu have corupcion at great escala in gobernacion y the apparatus gubernamental. this because the mandatario not owing to divulga the informacionnan recien the time there but now numa y because; such owing to tapa informacion valioso of possible ‘metemento y tapamento’ of the ex comisario. was comienso of month here cu croes owing to show cu declaracionnan comprometedor of jan vd straten owing to stay molostie y owing to dicidi of los this now in prensa. the words “dit kan ik mijn vriend paul niet aandoen” is thing cu vd straten owing to declara according croes. all is cosnan cu owing to wordo declara y haci in the first 10 dianan of the caso according croes. trafico of telephone among jan vd straten y paul vd sloot was enough activo during the first 10 dianan of the caso. owing to come also the caso caminda owing to try at incrimina two man color dark because; esnan suspicion for desvia atencion of paul y joran vd sloot. “pakico joran vd sloot have to owing to happen in all one show poniendo camera for interogue?” croes is ask about. same is ask about pakico owing to place the rechercherchenan interogue at dutch while cu vd sloot is compronde papiamento good very well? all is questions cu croes owing to haci. “pakico not owing to haci the interogacion not at papiamento y pakico vd straten owing to exigi for her interogacion take lugar at dutch?” croes is follow ask about. if is at papiamento the work of recherche owing to wordo haci, they will owing to haci one miho work according the mandatario. owing to haci the question pakico had the privilege for vd sloot. thing also is wing atencion in all the declaracion of minister croes is cu one minister of the netherlands owing to ask the mandatario of husticia for can please not menciona cu joran vd sloot is dutch. “mi of cune, con do you wanted mean not menciona cu joran is dutch “ croes owing to tell the mandatario the time there. this siendo cu at the netherlands is descrimina antillean y aruban according croes. the name of the minister dutch also will wordo menciona according croes. but the instant there the does not owing to menciona this.

[Buckeye]

Been reading from Joran's book excerpts:

page 1 from Ramm at BFN:

7. they moved to Aruba when Joran was 2 years old

8. in 1990 Paul van der Sloot was offered a job at the "Central Bureau of Legal and General Affairs on Aruba.

9. they married at that time, not having done so because they so no need for a piece of paper stating they were wed. They did it to get easier visas to the island (civil ceremony).

Joran also makes a comment about not being confirmed.  I think that is when the Dutch acquire "godparents".  Maybe Joran does not have a "real" godfather...in the church kind of way.


From Scared Monkeys (?by Hannie):

At the blackjack table are sitting two men, one of them is white, about 45 years of age and has dark hair. Madison had seen this guy two days before already in the Holiday Inn Casino. Some people thought they recognized Joran`s father, but Paul was already gone


Now, I find that interesting.  Joran says he left but other people and Madison saw Paulus...

P332

Also, an FBI "protected witness", an American called "Mr X", meets Deepak in July 2005 in the Internet café wehre Deepak works.

Deepak tells X: “I see what’s going on and I know much more. I’m certain that Natalee is no longer on the island.” He also says something that contradicts that: “When they find the duct-tape with Natalee’s hair on it, then I’ll go to jail", which is strange because they did find hair with duct tape but it wasn't Natalee's.



I don't remember discussing the above.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1097.0

[truthseeker2]

Was trying to read up on Zwinkels.  One thing interesting...during the crack down on drugs, in the early 90s, it was said that Dutch lawyers flocked to the island (in 1992).  Makes me wonder about Paulus's whole purpose in going to Aruba.  Maybe his whole intent was to work for and defend the connected.

Hi Buckeye...I have been trying for ages to look at Zwinkels...same old problem...it is so time consuming to trnslte from Dutch to English.

This one is about the Cargo affair and 2 cops are mentioned.

In the Netherlands was particularly super-prosecutor A. Docters van Leeuwen die in grote woede ontstak over de indiscrete rapportages van de Arubaanse politie. Docters van Leeuwen in great anger about the indiscreet ontstak reports of the Aruban police. Rasmijn en Zaandam moesten weg. Rasmijn and Zaandam had gone. De commissie-De Ruiter drong in zijn rapport ook aan op ontslag voor de beide politieagenten. The committee-The Horseman in his report also called for dismissal of the two policemen. Maar daar wil Aruba niet aan, blijkt uit een gesprek dat De Groene Amsterdammer een dag na de ondertekening van het rijksbesluit met Eman voerde in zijn Haagse hotel. But that does not want to Aruba, an interview that De Groene Amsterdammer a day after the signing of the empire act by Eman Hague claimed in his hotel.

http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=nl&u=http://www.groene.nl/1996/49/Braaf_aruba&sa=X&oi=translate&resnum=4&ct=result&prev=/search%3Fq%3DZwinkels%2Baruba%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DG

As a pure coincidence, and to pique your natural Shango curiosity just a bit, Leeuwen in Dutch means Lions.

Truthseeker...an oldie but goldie...

The Lionstone Group...Miami

Plans are in to develop – even by bringing in a Ritz – the San Nicolaas area, which has some wonderful beaches and the town itself, which is delightful. But it’s still the home of an oil refinery, and that, in the words of Alfredo Lowenstein, who owns The Holiday Inn, "It’s too early, too windy, there’s no road that goes there that misses the refinery. People who pay Ritz prices don’t want to look at factory smokestacks. They may own them." The Ritz is looking at the last piece of Palm Beach, and Mr. Lowenstein, who’s working on that project, may or may not get permission to build there.



http://www.internationalreports.net/theamericas/aruba/2002/aniceplace.html

That is an oldie byt goodie.  LOL.  I remember when that came up.  There have been so many things that we have all kicked around.  Somewhere in all of this there must be some answers.

[texasmom]

Anyone have a picture of Zwinkels?  TIA

[truthseeker2]

Anyone have a picture of Zwinkels?  TIA

I've been looking but have not found one yet.  Maybe I'm not doing it right.

[texasmom]

Anyone have a picture of Zwinkels?  TIA

I've been looking but have not found one yet.  Maybe I'm not doing it right.

Well, I must not be doing it right either!   

[texasmom]

http://dosfan.lib.uic.edu/ERC/law/INC/1995/11.html

U.S. DEPARTMENT OF STATE
INTERNATIONAL NARCOTICS CONTROL STRATEGY REPORT
MARCH 1995
BUREAU FOR INTERNATIONAL NARCOTICS AND LAW ENFORCEMENT AFFAIRS



                   FINANCIAL CRIMES AND MONEY LAUNDERING


   1995 INTERNATIONAL NARCOTICS CONTROL STRATEGY REPORT



snip:

Aruba.  (High) Aruba was upgraded to Medium-High priority in 1994, but the legislation anticipated a year ago has not been enacted, and the loopholes and deficiencies in both law and regulation which permit money laundering to flourish continue to its detriment.  While Aruban police continue to cooperate with US authorities on investigation, the money laundering situation is seemingly more serious than a year ago.  Thus, for 1995, Aruba is upgraded to High Priority.

There are continuing discussions between the governments of the Netherlands and Aruba (and the Netherlands Antilles) and also between the US and the Netherlands on corrective measures.  Aruba has criminalized money laundering in both narcotic and non-drug related cases.  Banks have agreed to record identities of persons engaged in currency transactions of more than US$10,000.  However, the requirements to record identities of transactors and beneficial owners only applies to non-clients, and there is no requirement to report suspicious transactions.  At present, it is not uncommon for persons to enter Aruba (and the other islands) carrying hundreds of thousands of dollars without being questioned by local authorities.

Until effective legislation has been adopted and enforced, Aruba cannot be said to be in compliance with the 1988 UN Convention; it is a signatory as part of the Kingdom of the Netherlands.  In that same capacity, Aruba is scheduled to be evaluated in early 1995 by the Financial Action Task Force.  Attorney General Jan Zwinkels has been quoted as saying money laundering is a growing problem for Aruba, which he relates to Aruba's lack of resources to provide law enforcement with the ability to monitor the financial industry.

Money laundering organizations, including non-Arubans, continue to utilize the offshore banking facilities, the free zone, and casinos to transfer and launder drug and other proceeds.  A network of ethnic Chinese money launderers based in New York is allegedly operating in Aruba through front companies, e.g., Chinese-owned factories.  This group also is believed to launder drug proceeds from Europe and North America through investment houses and funeral homes in England, and offshore investment companies in Aruba.  Bulk shipments of drug proceeds destined for prominent Aruban individuals are allegedly flown to Aruba by way of Miami; bulk shipments also arrive in Aruba via cruise ships, commercial airlines, and fishing vessels.

 Alleged drug trafficker Randolph Habibe was indicted in December, but other Aruban families with alleged connections to banks in Venezuela and cocaine cartels in Colombia, who are suspected of both drug trafficking and money laundering, have not been charged.  Habibe is charged as being part of the La Costa cartel which allegedly engaged in drug trafficking, money laundering, and chemical smuggling;  Habibe was allegedly the chief money launderer for this group, which allegedly generated and laundered more than US$800 million in drug proceeds.

Snip

[truthseeker2]

Aruba's Attorney General at the time, the Dutchman Jan Zwinkels, expressed his surprise over the allegations about the the Mafia's influence on the island. "It is all very vague. My impression is that people repeat the same unfounded story over and over again. I never spoke to a Italian judge. There never has been request for mutual legal assistance." (90)

footnote:(90) I interviewed Attorney General Jan Zwinkels in June 1995. Although Zwinkels himself is Dutch, he was appointed by the Aruban government. Aruba has its own independent juridical system and apparatus, but often Dutch trained juridical personal head the office of the Public Prosecutor. Zwinkels had to leave office in January 1997 after a two year long battle with the Aruban government about law enforcement on the island. Mr Zwinkels prosecuted a little too diligent some business-men affiliated with Premier Eman's party, among others the Mansur Family.


http://www.tni.org/detail_page.phtml?page=archives_tblick_aruba#90a

[Keepthefaith]

Aruba's Attorney General at the time, the Dutchman Jan Zwinkels, expressed his surprise over the allegations about the the Mafia's influence on the island. "It is all very vague. My impression is that people repeat the same unfounded story over and over again. I never spoke to a Italian judge. There never has been request for mutual legal assistance." (90)

footnote:(90) I interviewed Attorney General Jan Zwinkels in June 1995. Although Zwinkels himself is Dutch, he was appointed by the Aruban government. Aruba has its own independent juridical system and apparatus, but often Dutch trained juridical personal head the office of the Public Prosecutor. Zwinkels had to leave office in January 1997 after a two year long battle with the Aruban government about law enforcement on the island. Mr Zwinkels prosecuted a little too diligent some business-men affiliated with Premier Eman's party, among others the Mansur Family.


http://www.tni.org/detail_page.phtml?page=archives_tblick_aruba#90a

Does anyone have a list of everything the Mansur family has there hands in on the Island?

[texasmom]

http://66.196.80.202/babelfish/translate_url_content?.intl=us&lp=nl_en&trurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.nrc.nl%2FW2%2FArchief%2FIrt%2FNieuws%2F086.html

snip
The application of the narcotics money by the CRI - to the controversial Haarlemse method nearly identical - has come to light this month on the Ministries of Justice and Antiliaanse and Arubaanse matter in The Hague.

This happened after prime minister Eman of Aruba is and minister of justice fox there by the end of February at vice-premier dike stable and minister Voorhoeve (Antilles and Aruba) did their beklag concerning that 930,000 guilders confiscated narcotics money missing had touched. They suggested that the Arubaanse Procurator-General J. had put Zwinkels, with which the two Arubaanse politicians on foot live of war the amount in own pocket.

snip

[texasmom]

http://www.nrc.nl/W2/Nieuws/1996/10/11/Vp/kort.html

10/11/1996

De Ruiter: vervang politietop Aruba
DEN HAAG, 11 OKT. Wegens sterk verstoorde verhoudingen tussen de Arubaanse regering en het openbaar ministerie moet de Nederlandse procureur-generaal Zwinkels worden teruggeroepen naar Nederland en dient de Arubaanse politietop worden vervangen. Zwinkels moet niet worden vervangen. In plaats daarvan moet voor de Nederlandse Antillen en Aruba één procureur-generaal worden aangesteld.

Babelfish translation:

The rider: police force top replaces Aruba
THE HAGUE, 11 OKT. Because of strongly disturbed proportions between the Arubaanse government and the Public Prosecution Service must be called back the Dutch Procurator-General Zwinkels to the Netherlands and serves the Arubaanse police force top to be replaced. Zwinkels do not have be replaced. In place of it must for the Netherlands Antilles and Aruba one Procurator-General is appointed.

[truthseeker2]

Aruba's Attorney General at the time, the Dutchman Jan Zwinkels, expressed his surprise over the allegations about the the Mafia's influence on the island. "It is all very vague. My impression is that people repeat the same unfounded story over and over again. I never spoke to a Italian judge. There never has been request for mutual legal assistance." (90)

footnote:(90) I interviewed Attorney General Jan Zwinkels in June 1995. Although Zwinkels himself is Dutch, he was appointed by the Aruban government. Aruba has its own independent juridical system and apparatus, but often Dutch trained juridical personal head the office of the Public Prosecutor. Zwinkels had to leave office in January 1997 after a two year long battle with the Aruban government about law enforcement on the island. Mr Zwinkels prosecuted a little too diligent some business-men affiliated with Premier Eman's party, among others the Mansur Family.


http://www.tni.org/detail_page.phtml?page=archives_tblick_aruba#90a

Does anyone have a list of everything the Mansur family has there hands in on the Island?

I don't.  But I see where many people have indicated that the Mansurs own a good bit of the business and property there.  Ir, at least they used to.