Natalee Case Discussion #785 12/13/08 - 12/17/08

[Kermit]

I'm taking off.
Have a good night monkeys.

[snoopy]

Good night Kermit.

[caesu]

Greta had JQK on the show.  JQK plans on being in Aruba the first of January to make sure they have all Greta's information and to make sure they do what they say their going to do.  Said there needs to be transparency.

i hope he hooks up with Brinkman. he is there on January 2nd or a few days after.
but Greta knows this so i almost sure they've already planned something.

Brinkman will sir things up, they won't like to see him coming after calling Aruba 'corrupt as hell' on FOX.
if this gets more media attention even better.

it's going to be very awkward anyway, Croes left the Round Table Conference accusing the Dutch of a 'colonial attitude'.
Bijleveld and Hirsch Ballin were also there, sure he didn't want to meet them as he was called to investigate Jan van der Straten a few days before.

but he is saying he didn't start this investigation because Bijleveld told him to.
that's mindboggling because he knew for 3.5 years that Jan van der Straten obstructed the investigation.

but he spoke out about this in that interview because Jan van der Straten was criticizing the Coast Guard.
did he already start or plan the investigation by then or was it a response to the criticism by Jan van der Straten?
or wasn't he planning the investigation but did he do this after Bijleveld asked him to but he doesn't want to say this.

or is it al B.S. again.
so the media and politicians better keep the pressure on Croes about how it is going with the investigation.

still don't know who is actually doing the investigation.
but internal investigation are done by the Landsrecherche, headed by a public prosecutor...

this Aruban politician, Armand Hessels is also talking a lot about Rudy Croes/Jan van Straten/Paul van der Sloot.
not sure what he wants, but i guess that he wants Croes to resign or a parlamentairy inquire.
his party has only 1 seat in the Aruban Parliament.
http://www.redaruba.com/nobo/?p=317

"Cu e declarashon aki e ministro ta duna su mes e puñal mortal."
does this translate: "Such a declaration done by a Minister is a mortal sin" ?

[texasmom]

I'm taking off.
Have a good night monkeys.

goodnight Kermit!  

[Tamikosmom]

Kermit ... Mr. Tamikosmom just finished installing little electric lanterns all around that heated pool.

GOOD NIGHT MONKEYS!!!  GOOD NIGHT ZOOKEEPERS!!!

Janet
10:15 PM PT

[Keepthefaith]

Kermit - How do Beth and Dave feel about the situation involving the cage photographs?

If I do not have to, I don't want to get into what they feel, say etc.

Kermit.Do we have a definitive year that The VDS family arrived in Aruba,as well as what was the position Paulus was given upon his arrival and by whom?TIA

1970s - Paulus went to University of Tiburg
He became an attorney and assisted citizens who had conflicts with gov't in Arnhem.
1973 - 1993 found against construction of a motorway that was to go partly over the van der sloot estate.
In 1978 his dad at the time worked at the social legal aid office in Arnhem
page 1 Joran's book

 In 1990 Paul van der Sloot was offered a job at the "Central Bureau of Legal and General Affairs on Aruba.



RVD, 20.12.2002

Meer informatie
Benoemingen Gemeenschappelijk Hof van Justitie van de Nederlandse Antillen en Aruba
Persbericht | 20-12-2002 | PDF document, 5 Kb

i cut the link in half so it would not blow the margins. you wanna see it, put it back together.
Translation:
The lord Mr. P.A.P.J. of of the ditch (50) is proposed for appointment to deputy member of the common Court of Justice of the Netherlands Antilles and Aruba. The lord of of the ditch is now operative as a principal private secretary at the Procurator-General of Aruba. The appointment discusses 1 January 2003 for a period of three years.

Paulus van der Sloot and Oduber both got their education at Tilburg University.

“ in 1990 Paul van der Sloot was offered a job at the "Central Bureau of Legal and General Affairs on Aruba.” (Chapter 1 of Joran's book: Island boy)


In Aruba Paulus goes to work as an attorney for the Government for 5 yrs for Aruba gov't as an attorney
PvdS when he worked at the GEA, reported to Director Hubert Maduro.

member of Aruba's Council of State Hubert Maduro

sometime during 1994 Paulus switches jobs

Lastly, it is believed that Paulus Van der Sloot participated on a panel which agreed to extradite two relatives of the Mansurs to the US under serious charges some years back
http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivo rous_conservative/2005/06/joran_van_der_s.html

More and more the name Mansur turns up in money laundering cases. Alex and Eric Mansur were indicted in Puerto Rico in August 1994
http://www.tni.org/detail_page.phtml?page=archives_tblick_aruba


1995 - Paulus became cabinets leader for the public ministry and gave classes of Administrative Law at the local university.

1996 Zwinkels is fired from the Attorney General job



1997-1997 - Zwinkels left after a 2 yr battle with the Aruban gov't (they accused him of stealing drug money)
van Daalen became procureur general of Aruba in 1997 after procureur general Jan van Zwinkels was fired in 1996 by Aruba

2003 – January 2 – Paulus starts his judge-in-training and was said to of heard some cases.

Interesting.Didn't know that.To take on the Mansur family Paulus must have someone serious behind him.JMOO.One would think Jossy,as well as the Mansur family is enjoying watching the SLOW destruction of their family??

[truthseeker2]

Another person we've been discussing is  Mr.Riverol.Worth more questions and,or discussion!

Who was the refinery sold to not long ago?

A company from Brazil, wasn't it?  Petrobras.

I thought that fell through or something...would have to research, again.....not happening tonight.

Don't know.  I saw a blurb on it last week while looking for something else.  Something about Petrobras backing off after a fire at the refinery.  Now that the refinery has been repaired they were thought to be closing the deal.  I'll see if I can find it again and post it for you.

[klaasend]

I'm taking off.
Have a good night monkeys.

Nite Kermit

[snoopy]

Good night Tamikosmom.

[texasmom]

Goodnight Janet!  

[klaasend]

Greta had JQK on the show.  JQK plans on being in Aruba the first of January to make sure they have all Greta's information and to make sure they do what they say their going to do.  Said there needs to be transparency.

i hope he hooks up with Brinkman. he is there on January 2nd or a few days after.
but Greta knows this so i almost sure they've already planned something.

Brinkman will sir things up, they won't like to see him coming after calling Aruba 'corrupt as hell' on FOX.
if this gets more media attention even better.

it's going to be very awkward anyway, Croes left the Round Table Conference accusing the Dutch of a 'colonial attitude'.
Bijleveld and Hirsch Ballin were also there, sure he didn't want to meet them as he was called to investigate Jan van der Straten a few days before.

but he is saying he didn't start this investigation because Bijleveld told him to.
that's mindboggling because he knew for 3.5 years that Jan van der Straten obstructed the investigation.

but he spoke out about this in that interview because Jan van der Straten was criticizing the Coast Guard.
did he already start or plan the investigation by then or was it a response to the criticism by Jan van der Straten?
or wasn't he planning the investigation but did he do this after Bijleveld asked him to but he doesn't want to say this.

or is it al B.S. again.
so the media and politicians better keep the pressure on Croes about how it is going with the investigation.

still don't know who is actually doing the investigation.
but internal investigation are done by the Landsrecherche, headed by a public prosecutor...

this Aruban politician, Armand Hessels is also talking a lot about Rudy Croes/Jan van Straten/Paul van der Sloot.
not sure what he wants, but i guess that he wants Croes to resign or a parlamentairy inquire.
his party has only 1 seat in the Aruban Parliament.
http://www.redaruba.com/nobo/?p=317

"Cu e declarashon aki e ministro ta duna su mes e puñal mortal."
does this translate: "Such a declaration done by a Minister is a mortal sin" ?

I hope so too.  I realize that Brinkman's time in Aruba was already planned and Natalee is not the reason for it but it will work out nicely if JQK can meet with him.

[truthseeker2]

Greta had JQK on the show.  JQK plans on being in Aruba the first of January to make sure they have all Greta's information and to make sure they do what they say their going to do.  Said there needs to be transparency.

i hope he hooks up with Brinkman. he is there on January 2nd or a few days after.
but Greta knows this so i almost sure they've already planned something.

Brinkman will sir things up, they won't like to see him coming after calling Aruba 'corrupt as hell' on FOX.
if this gets more media attention even better.

it's going to be very awkward anyway, Croes left the Round Table Conference accusing the Dutch of a 'colonial attitude'.
Bijleveld and Hirsch Ballin were also there, sure he didn't want to meet them as he was called to investigate Jan van der Straten a few days before.

but he is saying he didn't start this investigation because Bijleveld told him to.
that's mindboggling because he knew for 3.5 years that Jan van der Straten obstructed the investigation.

but he spoke out about this in that interview because Jan van der Straten was criticizing the Coast Guard.
did he already start or plan the investigation by then or was it a response to the criticism by Jan van der Straten?
or wasn't he planning the investigation but did he do this after Bijleveld asked him to but he doesn't want to say this.

or is it al B.S. again.
so the media and politicians better keep the pressure on Croes about how it is going with the investigation.

still don't know who is actually doing the investigation.
but internal investigation are done by the Landsrecherche, headed by a public prosecutor...

this Aruban politician, Armand Hessels is also talking a lot about Rudy Croes/Jan van Straten/Paul van der Sloot.
not sure what he wants, but i guess that he wants Croes to resign or a parlamentairy inquire.
his party has only 1 seat in the Aruban Parliament.
http://www.redaruba.com/nobo/?p=317

"Cu e declarashon aki e ministro ta duna su mes e puñal mortal."
does this translate: "Such a declaration done by a Minister is a mortal sin" ?

Brinkman seems like he may have a little bit of cowboy in him!   

[klaasend]

Kermit ... Mr. Tamikosmom just finished installing little electric lanterns all around that heated pool.

GOOD NIGHT MONKEYS!!!  GOOD NIGHT ZOOKEEPERS!!!

Janet
10:15 PM PT

Nite Janet

[texasmom]

Greta had JQK on the show.  JQK plans on being in Aruba the first of January to make sure they have all Greta's information and to make sure they do what they say their going to do.  Said there needs to be transparency.

i hope he hooks up with Brinkman. he is there on January 2nd or a few days after.
but Greta knows this so i almost sure they've already planned something.

Brinkman will sir things up, they won't like to see him coming after calling Aruba 'corrupt as hell' on FOX.
if this gets more media attention even better.

it's going to be very awkward anyway, Croes left the Round Table Conference accusing the Dutch of a 'colonial attitude'.
Bijleveld and Hirsch Ballin were also there, sure he didn't want to meet them as he was called to investigate Jan van der Straten a few days before.

but he is saying he didn't start this investigation because Bijleveld told him to.
that's mindboggling because he knew for 3.5 years that Jan van der Straten obstructed the investigation.

but he spoke out about this in that interview because Jan van der Straten was criticizing the Coast Guard.
did he already start or plan the investigation by then or was it a response to the criticism by Jan van der Straten?
or wasn't he planning the investigation but did he do this after Bijleveld asked him to but he doesn't want to say this.

or is it al B.S. again.
so the media and politicians better keep the pressure on Croes about how it is going with the investigation.

still don't know who is actually doing the investigation.
but internal investigation are done by the Landsrecherche, headed by a public prosecutor...

this Aruban politician, Armand Hessels is also talking a lot about Rudy Croes/Jan van Straten/Paul van der Sloot.
not sure what he wants, but i guess that he wants Croes to resign or a parlamentairy inquire.
his party has only 1 seat in the Aruban Parliament.
http://www.redaruba.com/nobo/?p=317

"Cu e declarashon aki e ministro ta duna su mes e puñal mortal."
does this translate: "Such a declaration done by a Minister is a mortal sin" ?

Brinkman seems like he may have a little bit of cowboy in him!   

Yep....YeeeeeeHaaawwwwww!!!!!   

[2NJSons_Mom]

Another person we've been discussing is  Mr.Riverol.Worth more questions and,or discussion!

Who was the refinery sold to not long ago?

A company from Brazil, wasn't it?  Petrobras.

I thought that fell through or something...would have to research, again.....not happening tonight.

Don't know.  I saw a blurb on it last week while looking for something else.  Something about Petrobras backing off after a fire at the refinery.  Now that the refinery has been repaired they were thought to be closing the deal.  I'll see if I can find it again and post it for you.

I don't remember the details right now, but thanks Truthseeker.....I know I've read it a few times, but it's late for me here.  I'll have to check it out tomorrow.

G'nite, again.

[Keepthefaith]

I'm taking off.
Have a good night monkeys.

Goodnight and God bless Kermit...

[wreck]

My power went off for about 20 minutes! (just when it was getting good!!) Nite all!!

[klaasend]

My power went off for about 20 minutes! (just when it was getting good!!) Nite all!!

My power was out for almost 7 hours today    Imagine that 

[Keepthefaith]

My power went off for about 20 minutes! (just when it was getting good!!) Nite all!!

G-Night Wreck..

[texasmom]

My power went off for about 20 minutes! (just when it was getting good!!) Nite all!!

Nite Wreck!