Natalee Case Discussion #785 12/13/08 - 12/17/08

[2NJSons_Mom]

Kermit - I agree with 2NJ.  You shouldn't have to establish whether you are active or not, or if you are even part of the Secret Service.

What we have to remember is that we have a bunch of nuts reading this site.  Nuts who do not want this case solved no matter what.  Giving a persons personal information over the internet is dangerous.  JMO.

Yes, absolutely....My Dad always said 'keep things close to the vest'....in this case, it's not worth jeopardizing personal info....it's nobody's business. 

[billb's daughter]

Last week, Kermit posted a photograph of Marlon Brando as the Godfather.  Behind him, she pasted Joe Tacos picture on the attorney.  I wasn't quite sure exactly what she was saying because I already knew that Taco defended people in the mob.  Now it's making more sense.

It's also making more sense because Caps had already told us that van der Strattan, Vocking, and probably DTKM helped Paulass out the night that Natalee died.  I don't know who this Zwinkels guy is.  Van der Strattan knew Paulass from Holland where he was Urine's Godfather.  Now it appears that Oduber was also a buddy at Tillburg.  These are Paulass's connections and his support system.

I think Kermit is trying to tell us that Posner and the mob are involved with all of this.

I agree.....

[truthseeker2]

FIRST LET'S CONNECT THESE PLAYERS INVOLVED IN CORRUPTION IN ARUBA:
Paulus van der Sloot
Jan van der Straaten
Zwinkels
Vocking


Zaandam keeps on saying in his book, two days after 5/29, the body of Natalee H. may have already been foundand Cvp [police commissioner] looked the other way to do a favour for Paul vd Sloot (ex of chief staff of Cabinet PG [prosecutor general] J. Zwinkels).
Posted by Getagrip at 9/19/2005 12:18:00 PM

Remember ZWINKELS:

Paulus buddy from the old Tilburg days is the Prime Minister - Oduber 1991

and ZWINKELS WAS ATTORNEY GENERAL IN 1991 (we also know that this zwinkels guy was involved in mafia money too and that is why he was forced to resign for a period of time -


All the main players knew each other during his time in office
Governmental authorities
Mr. J.H.M. Zwinkels - Attorney General
Mr. B. Vocking - Deputy Director, Aruba Correctional Institute
Ms. C. van den Berg - Head of the Rehabilitation and Child Welfare Council
Ms. Y. Spellen - Director, Guardianship Board
Mr. J. van de Straten - Head of the National Bureau of Investigations

Zwinkels is back in power as attorney general in 1994

In 1995 Zwinkels is the Prosecutor in Aruba.


1997-1997 - Zwinkels left after a 2 yr battle with the Aruban gov't (they accused him of stealing drug money)


July of 1998 he has his Attorney General job back 07-07-98



June 26th, 2005 at 3:30 pm
Simian,
his lordship did not bring the key for the Arawaks
"they were stymied by misinformation and false leads planted by the corrupt authorities. Why was Natalee never found? The searchers were directed to all the wrong places!

(more on this later)

I see you have quoted Shango.  If you are interested...I have a name that may (or may not) be of interest. I have not seem it come up anywhere in relation to Natalee yet...but. I can associate it with another name that became prominent.  And...it is a name used by Shango.  Let me know if you are interested. Your investigative experience, I am sure, far exceeds mine.

[billb's daughter]

Magnolia asked:

1998-   Michael Posner bought Grand Holiday Casnio September 1 and named it Excelsior.
He is a member of the GAMBINO MAFIA.

2001 Posner purchases the Brickell Bay Casino

Michael Posner's contributions to Aruba according to the newspaper
Aruba Today

Aruba Today- October 24th 2005
Michael Posner Contributes

There are a few people who in the last 10 years have added remendously to Aruba's product with great success. American businessman Michael Posner saw an opportunity in the mid 90's to purchase the Holiday Inn Casino, although it was run down an d on the brink of bankruptcy. Posner stepped in when the Holiday Inn Casino was in terrible condition with only 33 employees. He made a substantial investment into Aruba's product by renovating this deteriorating casino. Today the Excelsior Casino has
over 140 employees, with all management positi ons filled by Ar ubans, and pays millions of dollars in taxes each year.

Mr. Posner procured Aruba as the site for the World Poker Tournament for
the past 4 years and many years into the future. This has created 20-30 million USD for the economy of Aruba and 5 million yearly in free advertising for Aruba's tourist industry.

Posner also purchased and renovated the old Stauffer Hotel, which was considered at the time to be an eyesore to Palm Beach. He transformed the neglected hotel into the Brickell Bay Beach Club and today has over 100 employees, with all management level employment dedicated to Arubans.
He recently delivered a genuine act of kindness by donating all the rooms for the Texas EquuSearch team to search for Natalee Holloway, at a cost of over 100,000 Posner has been a generous supporter of many charities in Aruba, even going so far as to send a sick Aruban child to Disney World with his mot h er as part of the "Make a wish Foundation".

Aruba also thanks Posner for opening doors to potential new guest by making travel easier. He was directly responsible for bringing United Airlines to Aruba. Untied Airlines provides Aruba with 40,000 tourists and 300,000 hotel rooms annually.
Posner received no payment for his services and was awarded the distinction of "Aruba's Goodwill Ambassador".

Posner's contributions to Aruba's economy have been significant and greatly appreciated by the people. Besides all of humanitarian acts of kindness, he is also greatly appreciated for taking the reigns of failing bus inesses where no one else would and developing them into successful entities.
525 on: March 31, 2008, 07:00:13 PMhttp://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2733.msg369659

Bump

But Michael Posner was a convicted felon who had served prison time.
He should not have been allowed on the island, let alone start a business.
Who arranged all of the business dealings.  He also bought the Aloe business.

If it is true that there must be an Aruban partner to own a business on aruba, I'm thinking both CAPS and Kermit have been pointing us in that direction. Could paulass be the silent partner or in his role with contracts did he set it up for posner? If so, that could explain why pvds/jvds are so protected jmoo

[SS]

Last week, Kermit posted a photograph of Marlon Brando as the Godfather.  Behind him, she pasted Joe Tacos picture on the attorney.  I wasn't quite sure exactly what she was saying because I already knew that Taco defended people in the mob.  Now it's making more sense.

It's also making more sense because Caps had already told us that van der Strattan, Vocking, and probably DTKM helped Paulass out the night that Natalee died.  I don't know who this Zwinkels guy is.  Van der Strattan knew Paulass from Holland where he was Urine's Godfather.  Now it appears that Oduber was also a buddy at Tillburg.  These are Paulass's connections and his support system.

I think Kermit is trying to tell us that Posner and the mob are involved with all of this.

I agree.....

I think Kermit is also trying to tell us that Posner is the money who came in and saved Aruba when it was trash and saved the economy.  Paulass, Oduber, van der Strattan, Vocking, this Zwinkels guy, and the others are all in Posner's back pocket.  If this is the case, Urine is walking on real thin ice if he starts to drop the dime on people like he did with Greta.

[San]

Kermit - I agree with 2NJ.  You shouldn't have to establish whether you are active or not, or if you are even part of the Secret Service.

What we have to remember is that we have a bunch of nuts reading this site.  Nuts who do not want this case solved no matter what.  Giving a persons personal information over the internet is dangerous.  JMO.

San, I agree wholeheartedly in your position that no one has to identify themselves before they are believed.
If you look back at Kermit's posts starting on page 4, it seemed to me and others that Kermit was posting those pics to establish that she/he was a secret service agent during Richard Nixon's funeral. Nobody asked Kermit: the questions only came after Kermit "outed' her/him self.....
What I'm now interested in is trying to figure out what Kermit is pointing us towards.....
I am impressed if Kermit was/is a secret service agent, but as I've said before, I've always believed in the info Kermit has provided, regardless of who she/he is: Peace

When I read Kermit's post the thought never crossed my mind that he/she was secret service.  I didn't take his/her post as outing themself.

Just because they said "During the ceremony I was standing to the left of Clinton.
After the ceremony, inside I was downstairs next to another Secret Service agent."

Like I said people believe what they want.  I feel uncomfortable that people are asking him/her to confirm.  Maybe they are maybe they aren't.

This is just how I feel.  I know people are going to ask.  You will never catch me asking a person who they are.  If they volunteer the information than fine.

[San]

Kermit - I agree with 2NJ.  You shouldn't have to establish whether you are active or not, or if you are even part of the Secret Service.

What we have to remember is that we have a bunch of nuts reading this site.  Nuts who do not want this case solved no matter what.  Giving a persons personal information over the internet is dangerous.  JMO.

Yes, absolutely....My Dad always said 'keep things close to the vest'....in this case, it's not worth jeopardizing personal info....it's nobody's business. 

 

[Magnolia]

Magnolia asked:

1998-   Michael Posner bought Grand Holiday Casnio September 1 and named it Excelsior.
He is a member of the GAMBINO MAFIA.

2001 Posner purchases the Brickell Bay Casino

Michael Posner's contributions to Aruba according to the newspaper
Aruba Today

Aruba Today- October 24th 2005
Michael Posner Contributes

There are a few people who in the last 10 years have added remendously to Aruba's product with great success. American businessman Michael Posner saw an opportunity in the mid 90's to purchase the Holiday Inn Casino, although it was run down an d on the brink of bankruptcy. Posner stepped in when the Holiday Inn Casino was in terrible condition with only 33 employees. He made a substantial investment into Aruba's product by renovating this deteriorating casino. Today the Excelsior Casino has
over 140 employees, with all management positi ons filled by Ar ubans, and pays millions of dollars in taxes each year.

Mr. Posner procured Aruba as the site for the World Poker Tournament for
the past 4 years and many years into the future. This has created 20-30 million USD for the economy of Aruba and 5 million yearly in free advertising for Aruba's tourist industry.

Posner also purchased and renovated the old Stauffer Hotel, which was considered at the time to be an eyesore to Palm Beach. He transformed the neglected hotel into the Brickell Bay Beach Club and today has over 100 employees, with all management level employment dedicated to Arubans.
He recently delivered a genuine act of kindness by donating all the rooms for the Texas EquuSearch team to search for Natalee Holloway, at a cost of over 100,000 Posner has been a generous supporter of many charities in Aruba, even going so far as to send a sick Aruban child to Disney World with his mot h er as part of the "Make a wish Foundation".

Aruba also thanks Posner for opening doors to potential new guest by making travel easier. He was directly responsible for bringing United Airlines to Aruba. Untied Airlines provides Aruba with 40,000 tourists and 300,000 hotel rooms annually.
Posner received no payment for his services and was awarded the distinction of "Aruba's Goodwill Ambassador".

Posner's contributions to Aruba's economy have been significant and greatly appreciated by the people. Besides all of humanitarian acts of kindness, he is also greatly appreciated for taking the reigns of failing bus inesses where no one else would and developing them into successful entities.
525 on: March 31, 2008, 07:00:13 PMhttp://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2733.msg369659

Bump

But Michael Posner was a convicted felon who had served prison time.
He should not have been allowed on the island, let alone start a business.
Who arranged all of the business dealings.  He also bought the Aloe business.

If it is true that there must be an Aruban partner to own a business on aruba, I'm thinking both CAPS and Kermit have been pointing us in that direction. Could paulass be the silent partner or in his role with contracts did he set it up for posner? If so, that could explain why pvds/jvds are so protected jmoo

I don't know if Paulus could set himself up as the silent partner since he
was doing the contracts, but he could have set up an agent, such as his law
partner.  I think criminals frequently put businesses in their attorney's name.

[billb's daughter]

Last week, Kermit posted a photograph of Marlon Brando as the Godfather.  Behind him, she pasted Joe Tacos picture on the attorney.  I wasn't quite sure exactly what she was saying because I already knew that Taco defended people in the mob.  Now it's making more sense.

It's also making more sense because Caps had already told us that van der Strattan, Vocking, and probably DTKM helped Paulass out the night that Natalee died.  I don't know who this Zwinkels guy is.  Van der Strattan knew Paulass from Holland where he was Urine's Godfather.  Now it appears that Oduber was also a buddy at Tillburg.  These are Paulass's connections and his support system.

I think Kermit is trying to tell us that Posner and the mob are involved with all of this.

I agree.....

I think Kermit is also trying to tell us that Posner is the money who came in and saved Aruba when it was trash and saved the economy.  Paulass, Oduber, van der Strattan, Vocking, this Zwinkels guy, and the others are all in Posner's back pocket.  If this is the case, Urine is walking on real thin ice if he starts to drop the dime on people like he did with Greta.

It does amaze me that urine hasn't been taken out yet. Maybe posner's ties with pvds for favors is so tight that urine has survived to date. But if the noose does tighten on aruba/holland, urine fate at some point may reach critical mass (bad for urine). CAPS brought over a picture the other day showing a huge limo and implied it belonged to the Kalpoes business. That would also point to money (posner) paying to keep kalpoes quiet.

[2NJSons_Mom]

Keep the dialogue going....I'm heading out for the night...G'nite, all.

[San]

Magnolia asked:

1998-   Michael Posner bought Grand Holiday Casnio September 1 and named it Excelsior.
He is a member of the GAMBINO MAFIA.

2001 Posner purchases the Brickell Bay Casino

Michael Posner's contributions to Aruba according to the newspaper
Aruba Today

Aruba Today- October 24th 2005
Michael Posner Contributes

There are a few people who in the last 10 years have added remendously to Aruba's product with great success. American businessman Michael Posner saw an opportunity in the mid 90's to purchase the Holiday Inn Casino, although it was run down an d on the brink of bankruptcy. Posner stepped in when the Holiday Inn Casino was in terrible condition with only 33 employees. He made a substantial investment into Aruba's product by renovating this deteriorating casino. Today the Excelsior Casino has
over 140 employees, with all management positi ons filled by Ar ubans, and pays millions of dollars in taxes each year.

Mr. Posner procured Aruba as the site for the World Poker Tournament for
the past 4 years and many years into the future. This has created 20-30 million USD for the economy of Aruba and 5 million yearly in free advertising for Aruba's tourist industry.

Posner also purchased and renovated the old Stauffer Hotel, which was considered at the time to be an eyesore to Palm Beach. He transformed the neglected hotel into the Brickell Bay Beach Club and today has over 100 employees, with all management level employment dedicated to Arubans.
He recently delivered a genuine act of kindness by donating all the rooms for the Texas EquuSearch team to search for Natalee Holloway, at a cost of over 100,000 Posner has been a generous supporter of many charities in Aruba, even going so far as to send a sick Aruban child to Disney World with his mot h er as part of the "Make a wish Foundation".

Aruba also thanks Posner for opening doors to potential new guest by making travel easier. He was directly responsible for bringing United Airlines to Aruba. Untied Airlines provides Aruba with 40,000 tourists and 300,000 hotel rooms annually.
Posner received no payment for his services and was awarded the distinction of "Aruba's Goodwill Ambassador".

Posner's contributions to Aruba's economy have been significant and greatly appreciated by the people. Besides all of humanitarian acts of kindness, he is also greatly appreciated for taking the reigns of failing bus inesses where no one else would and developing them into successful entities.
525 on: March 31, 2008, 07:00:13 PMhttp://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2733.msg369659

Bump

But Michael Posner was a convicted felon who had served prison time.
He should not have been allowed on the island, let alone start a business.
Who arranged all of the business dealings.  He also bought the Aloe business.

If it is true that there must be an Aruban partner to own a business on aruba, I'm thinking both CAPS and Kermit have been pointing us in that direction. Could paulass be the silent partner or in his role with contracts did he set it up for posner? If so, that could explain why pvds/jvds are so protected jmoo

This is what I think it is.  Someone is fronting the Sloots a lot of money.  People have said he didn't make much money.  Paulus' hands are dirty.

[billb's daughter]

Magnolia asked:

1998-   Michael Posner bought Grand Holiday Casnio September 1 and named it Excelsior.
He is a member of the GAMBINO MAFIA.

2001 Posner purchases the Brickell Bay Casino

Michael Posner's contributions to Aruba according to the newspaper
Aruba Today

Aruba Today- October 24th 2005
Michael Posner Contributes

There are a few people who in the last 10 years have added remendously to Aruba's product with great success. American businessman Michael Posner saw an opportunity in the mid 90's to purchase the Holiday Inn Casino, although it was run down an d on the brink of bankruptcy. Posner stepped in when the Holiday Inn Casino was in terrible condition with only 33 employees. He made a substantial investment into Aruba's product by renovating this deteriorating casino. Today the Excelsior Casino has
over 140 employees, with all management positi ons filled by Ar ubans, and pays millions of dollars in taxes each year.

Mr. Posner procured Aruba as the site for the World Poker Tournament for
the past 4 years and many years into the future. This has created 20-30 million USD for the economy of Aruba and 5 million yearly in free advertising for Aruba's tourist industry.

Posner also purchased and renovated the old Stauffer Hotel, which was considered at the time to be an eyesore to Palm Beach. He transformed the neglected hotel into the Brickell Bay Beach Club and today has over 100 employees, with all management level employment dedicated to Arubans.
He recently delivered a genuine act of kindness by donating all the rooms for the Texas EquuSearch team to search for Natalee Holloway, at a cost of over 100,000 Posner has been a generous supporter of many charities in Aruba, even going so far as to send a sick Aruban child to Disney World with his mot h er as part of the "Make a wish Foundation".

Aruba also thanks Posner for opening doors to potential new guest by making travel easier. He was directly responsible for bringing United Airlines to Aruba. Untied Airlines provides Aruba with 40,000 tourists and 300,000 hotel rooms annually.
Posner received no payment for his services and was awarded the distinction of "Aruba's Goodwill Ambassador".

Posner's contributions to Aruba's economy have been significant and greatly appreciated by the people. Besides all of humanitarian acts of kindness, he is also greatly appreciated for taking the reigns of failing bus inesses where no one else would and developing them into successful entities.
525 on: March 31, 2008, 07:00:13 PMhttp://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2733.msg369659

Bump

But Michael Posner was a convicted felon who had served prison time.
He should not have been allowed on the island, let alone start a business.
Who arranged all of the business dealings.  He also bought the Aloe business.

If it is true that there must be an Aruban partner to own a business on aruba, I'm thinking both CAPS and Kermit have been pointing us in that direction. Could paulass be the silent partner or in his role with contracts did he set it up for posner? If so, that could explain why pvds/jvds are so protected jmoo

I don't know if Paulus could set himself up as the silent partner since he
was doing the contracts, but he could have set up an agent, such as his law
partner.  I think criminals frequently put businesses in their attorney's name.

Yep...AC now employees paulass.....what a small ecosystem they have in aruba.

[San]

Keep the dialogue going....I'm heading out for the night...G'nite, all.

Nite 2NJSons.

[texasmom]

Keep the dialogue going....I'm heading out for the night...G'nite, all.

goodnight 2NJSons_Mom!   

[truthseeker2]

Kermit - I agree with 2NJ.  You shouldn't have to establish whether you are active or not, or if you are even part of the Secret Service.

What we have to remember is that we have a bunch of nuts reading this site.  Nuts who do not want this case solved no matter what.  Giving a persons personal information over the internet is dangerous.  JMO.

I agree 100%!  Kermit, nor anyone else posting in this site, should feel complelled to reveal personal info.

I take everything that I see here into account.  I do my own research, but do have my limitations in that area.  I just hope that everyone here is focused on the same goal...JUSTICE FOR NATALEE.

[Magnolia]

Last week, Kermit posted a photograph of Marlon Brando as the Godfather.  Behind him, she pasted Joe Tacos picture on the attorney.  I wasn't quite sure exactly what she was saying because I already knew that Taco defended people in the mob.  Now it's making more sense.

It's also making more sense because Caps had already told us that van der Strattan, Vocking, and probably DTKM helped Paulass out the night that Natalee died.  I don't know who this Zwinkels guy is.  Van der Strattan knew Paulass from Holland where he was Urine's Godfather.  Now it appears that Oduber was also a buddy at Tillburg.  These are Paulass's connections and his support system.

I think Kermit is trying to tell us that Posner and the mob are involved with all of this.

I agree.....

I think Kermit is also trying to tell us that Posner is the money who came in and saved Aruba when it was trash and saved the economy.  Paulass, Oduber, van der Strattan, Vocking, this Zwinkels guy, and the others are all in Posner's back pocket.  If this is the case, Urine is walking on real thin ice if he starts to drop the dime on people like he did with Greta.

Posner is the money and Paulus knows where all of the skeletons
are buried.  They can't do anything to Joran because Paulus knows
too much.

[SS]

I have been bumped off of SM three times in the past forty-five minutes.  WTH

Kermit posted that Posner started upgrading the Holiday In and Brickel Bay in the early 1990s.  This is also the time frame that Paulass arrived in Aruba, because Mum has been trying to figure out who he was working for when he first arrived.  Would it be too much of a stretch to assume that Paulass is Aruba's equivalent of Joe Tacopina?  Is this why Joe Taco represented Urine in the US?  It was probably free of charge or paid for by Posner.

[truthseeker2]

I have been bumped off of SM three times in the past forty-five minutes.  WTH

Kermit posted that Posner started upgrading the Holiday In and Brickel Bay in the early 1990s.  This is also the time frame that Paulass arrived in Aruba, because Mum has been trying to figure out who he was working for when he first arrived.  Would it be too much of a stretch to assume that Paulass is Aruba's equivalent of Joe Tacopina?  Is this why Joe Taco represented Urine in the US?  It was probably free of charge or paid for by Posner.

I don't think that is too far fetched at all.  In fact, when you think about it it makes some sense.  Paulus could have done enough favores for people like Posner to keep his son out of prison.  TACO Joe is familiar with Chicago and so is Posner.  Qid Quo Pro?  Could be.

[Magnolia]

I have been bumped off of SM three times in the past forty-five minutes.  WTH

Kermit posted that Posner started upgrading the Holiday In and Brickel Bay in the early 1990s.  This is also the time frame that Paulass arrived in Aruba, because Mum has been trying to figure out who he was working for when he first arrived.  Would it be too much of a stretch to assume that Paulass is Aruba's equivalent of Joe Tacopina?  Is this why Joe Taco represented Urine in the US?  It was probably free of charge or paid for by Posner.

I have always thought that Posner procurred the services of Taco.
When Paulus first came to Aruba he worked as a gov't atty.
They did not like his work, so they set him up in the contracts position.
I think it was contacts with his old college buddy Oduber that brought
him to Aruba.

[SS]

During the early days when Natalee first disappeared, Paulass made a trip to Florida.  Joe Taco and his partners have offices in NYC and Miami.  Did Paulass fly to Miami to get all of the ducks in a row with Taco? I now think Taco and Paulass are counterparts, and if that is the case, Paulass does have a lot of power.