Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #73

[Pebbles]

The 911 call says Suburban and Chickasaw.

Today posted this video link earlier of a reporter driving from the A home to the area where Caylee was found. She drives to the end of Hopespring and the site is to the right on Suburban.
http://www.wesh.com/video/18267742/index.html

[no rose colored glasses]

My knowledge of DNA comes from a PBS site which talks in another scientific language.
My Mt-DNA should have 32 sets from my father's side of the family and 32 sets from my mother's. If my mother had children with say her father or her brother , then my DNA would not have the 64 markers, it would come up short say 63, as there was someone fishing in the same gene pool. How far back? Say for an example, there was intermarriage and children between my grandmother and her father ? I don't know, I am not a scientist.
I guess that tests would expect the 32 & the 32 and if they did not add up to the 32 on each side, then a person could suspect fishing in a rather shallow gene pool.
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Thanks, you put it in plain English for me to understand.

[Fuzzball]

Someone asked me if I thought Casey had multiple personality disorder and I lost the post but will reply.

She is far, far beyond my expertise.  I only have one year of training as psych nurse a hundred years or so ago.  Think they call it Dissociative Disorder now or something like that.

This is why she is under psych watch instead of suicide watch I do believe.  They want to make sure she is playing with a full deck for prosecution purposes.  And it has occurred to me that she may be impaired in some way but have not seen enough of her to even begin to guess how.  Would like to know her grades in school. 

Also impulse control in the past, does she have problems in this area as well.

I am no expert on this type of thing, but the word sociopath is thrown around alot, yes I can see she is one. Can you be a sociopath, but also have something like multiple personality disorder?

Not exactly. You can have one personality who's a sociopath, though.

[NO1ZMONKEY]

The more FBI, the better as I don't think paid experts' word will be taken over that of the FBI.

Also, don't throw nannies but for some reason, I feel more kindly disposed toward George and Cindy Anthony now.  Saw a photo of George with Caylee looking at elephants so they must have taken her to the zoo.  Caylee did have huge wardrobe and toy collection.  All the photos look happy except for two that I have seen.  Caylee appears to be well cared for and loved.

What happened?  Casey, it seems.  No matter how obnoxious they have been, they have to be hurting with the body being found and it likely there is not one shred of hope now that Caylee is alive.

Edit "nannies" to "nanners"!

Getting too crazy around here to post.  Will check back in this evening.

If they had once, just once, went on national TV and begged for the kidnapper to bring Caylee home I might agree.  They have never done it.  Even after being instructed by CAsey from her cell.

From the getgo i made up my mind that casey was NOT innocent until proven guilty...in fact the other way..and it was first estimated by me because of her first phone call with her mom.." i saw your little cameo"....she was pissed her mom was on t.v. talking about her grandbaby..who does that?? natalie holloways parents were all over that, the klaas family, all over it. which parent doesnt want the press to know that their baby is missing? the idiot didnt actually believe that the "ghetto" o county jail wouldnt record her calls...EH wrong. also in that call...and EVEN MORE SO..now that they found caylee it gets me...the but sweetheart if you just tell them where she is..and she mutters with so much disgust...."not my fault". Oh and in the recorded interview with the police...the cop asks her..."do you think caylee is in a better place?(heaven)...the idiot slipped and said "no"...she thought he meant if she was safe with zannie..your thinking..soooooo..      so she kept saying she felt caylee was safe...so she saying caylee is safe with zannie..but she was caught off guard...and her subconscious answered for her...she knew caylee was in a trash bag with tape on her mouth in a swamp..bitch

let me fix this.......Oh and in the recorded interview with the police...the cop asks her..."do you think caylee is in a better placehe meant in heaven....the idiot quickly slipped and said "no"...she thought he meant if she was safe where she was..where she really was....your thinking..soooooo..      so she kept saying she felt caylee was safe... saying caylee is safe with zannie..but when she was caught off guard...  her subconscious answered for her...she knew caylee was in a trash bag with tape on her mouth in a swamp..not safe with her nanny....shes just dumb....bitch

[Brandi]

Brandi, if you could and if you have time, would you decorate this monkey for Christmas please.  He looks out of the Christmas spirit.   

( http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo242/Brandi-Monkey/cheeky-xmas.gif )

[no rose colored glasses]

Someone asked me if I thought Casey had multiple personality disorder and I lost the post but will reply.

She is far, far beyond my expertise.  I only have one year of training as psych nurse a hundred years or so ago.  Think they call it Dissociative Disorder now or something like that.

This is why she is under psych watch instead of suicide watch I do believe.  They want to make sure she is playing with a full deck for prosecution purposes.  And it has occurred to me that she may be impaired in some way but have not seen enough of her to even begin to guess how.  Would like to know her grades in school. 

Also impulse control in the past, does she have problems in this area as well.

I am no expert on this type of thing, but the word sociopath is thrown around alot, yes I can see she is one. Can you be a sociopath, but also have something like multiple personality disorder?

Not exactly. You can have one personality who's a sociopath, though.

Thank-you, I wasn't sure about that.

[Russ]

Wouldn't surprise me.  I still want to know who the father is too.

I think the silence is deafening on that subject from LE.  We have been given 4 stories directly from the family and maybe more with what has been released by third party.

I don't think it is as simple as it doesn't matter, she doesn't know, she doesn't care, etc.  I think it is clear that the obfuscation today and for the last three years is intentional.  Whatever story sounds best at the time.

George told Casey if things don't come to a conclusion soon in a jail visit, that other things might come to the surface.  Casey said "I know".  Casey also told her brother that perhaps "law enforcement should have been contacted earlier".  How much earlier, as she said something like "this should have been done a lot sooner?".  Was that a threat?

I certainly disagree with everyone that says it doesn't matter.  I think it matters a lot, not only in the motive aspect, but if the father is someone still alive - they should have rights to lay her to rest too.

Why and how did Dr. Baden say clearly that LE knows who the father is already by looking at the DNA report??

I have demonstrated all the signs and hints several times here as to why I am 90% sure Lee is the father.

I know you have on many occasions, with your conclusion of why you think Lee is the father. I have stayed away pretty much from discussing this, not because I won't go there, I have read different articles about incest, and frankly the signs are there. This family is hiding dark secrets,that they don't want coming to the surface. That is why I believe there is going to be pressure put on Casey to plead guilty and there will be some deal made. I could be very wrong, but the Anthonys not only don't want their secrets known, I would imagine they don't want what ever is behind those 1,200 pics revealed either.

I agree wholeheartedly with everything above and would like to add a comment about Baden's comment about LE knowing already who the father is.  I have heard during this case that the ONLY thing that can be told from DNA is who the mother and father are.  It cannot tell if they are related or not.  LP made a mistake early on when he said this because he didn't understand how mtDNA worked...and that Casey's and Caylee's hair would contain the same exact mtDNA.  LE proved that Lee was the father from the DNA they got from him alone. The DNA that Lee fought tooth and nail to keep.  Why do this?? There is only one reason. Baden said LE knows who the father is because they have DNA from the father (or someone else who is on file because of this case)...and most people's DNA is not on file with Law enforcement.

From what I recollect he never said; LE knows who the father is because they have the DNA from the father.  I didn't hear him say that he had discussed it with LE or allude to being privy to privileged information.  The interview I saw was him discussing the MTdna results and he said after looking through the report that LE knew who the father was.  Now he may been interviewed several times I only caught one short segment in a daytime show I forget the name of now.

I have heard it both ways, some say elevated percentages in certain categories will reference clues to the father being of the same lineage as the mother in the Child's DNA and then I have heard it said like you say.  I want to hear it from Baden or someone.

How would Baden know unless the report gave him a clue, or he has privileged information from LE?  This was most definitely prior to any DNA coming back from Lee's test that required a subpoena iirc.

[no rose colored glasses]

Brandi, if you could and if you have time, would you decorate this monkey for Christmas please.  He looks out of the Christmas spirit.   

( http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo242/Brandi-Monkey/cheeky-xmas.gif )

Oh, how pretty you look.

[akmom]

   I am going to ask a question, I do hope someone will answer.  Maybe someone who is in the loop will know.  I frequently watch Dr G and at the crime scene one of the LE mentioned her.  I believe he said she was there and helping to collect the remains.  I heard him mention her more than once so I am pretty sure of what I heard.  Does anyone know if she is in on the autopsy?  I have a lot of respect for her.

[cecilita]

...someone brought up the point that - she's claiming that the father is 'dead' - wouldn't she be collecting some sort of money from his death, for Caylee?
She didn't work and was stealing for money - don't you think she would want something like that?

all the more reason, in my mind, that Lee is the father.  You cannot collect Social Security for a "niecedaughter" , I'm sure the Anthony's figured that one out before they even tried!

for a daughter you can collect social security...

[no rose colored glasses]

   I am going to ask a question, I do hope someone will answer.  Maybe someone who is in the loop will know.  I frequently watch Dr G and at the crime scene one of the LE mentioned her.  I believe he said she was there and helping to collect the remains.  I heard him mention her more than once so I am pretty sure of what I heard.  Does anyone know if she is in on the autopsy?  I have a lot of respect for her.

Yes I believe I heard she did the autopsy. So many people on this board seems to know and respect her, I have to say I never heard of her before.

[Dolce]

This is a bit OT, but I will take some license. Actually in the larger picture of life it might be spot on topic. What creates the mindset like Casey that would become so dissociative and uncaring? What makes one think that partying like a HO is more important than caring for a child?

I have recently provided many posts regarding the war on Christmas on the FP. The following one is especially offensive. The acceptance of porn as mainstream has created many issues with today's youth. See what Playboy thinks was acceptable and then covers their A$$ and apologizes. How much damage does this stuff do societally in the development of kids? Party like a rock star, party like a ho with no boundaries or rules.

How Offensive, Nothing Says Merry Christmas Like Playboy and a Nude Virgin Mary Cover Controversy

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2008/12/13/how-offensive-nothing-says-merry-christmas-like-playboy-and-a-nude-virgin-mary-cover-controversy/

Would be very interested in people's thoughts.

I saw a commercial the other day that completely shocked me at about 7:30pm for some jean company with people ripping their clothes off.  I haven't been shocked beyond the damn smiling bob guy, and some other lurid stuff but this commercial was over the top directed to youngins...

I will check the thread out.

I am the minority here I know on this, but I am a product of this sort of "stuff".  My neice who is 4, her favorite song is "Party Like a Rockstar".  The commercial I believe that Russ is refering to is the Levi's commercial, it did not bother me really....I watch the TV program "The Girls Next Door" which is about Heff's 3 girlfriends living in the Playboy mansion, I thought it was cute.  I DO NOT agree with the December cover nor do I read Playboy or Playgirl (which went bankrupt)  I am just saying though, that while I do think that Casey is a product of her environment, as am I, she had a break down in her family dynamic that played a dramatic role in all of this. I am expecting 2 children, and never could I fathom harming a bug let alone a human.
I do not believe Casey was ever really taught lying is bad, how could she when her role model within her family (the parents) were busy fighting and lying to one another?  Casey learned fast that being the drama queen got her the attention she longed for, most likely learned that from Cindy.  BOTH of them always have to be the center of attention, or in this sort of case "the victim".
I am 1 year older than Casey is, I have a Facebook and a MySpace, was chatting at age 11 in chat rooms.  The sales aproach to my age group was how to be famous.  Well, I think Casey got her wish, its outrageous that Caylee had to pay the cost.

[Pebbles]

This is a bit OT, but I will take some license. Actually in the larger picture of life it might be spot on topic. What creates the mindset like Casey that would become so dissociative and uncaring? What makes one think that partying like a HO is more important than caring for a child?

I have recently provided many posts regarding the war on Christmas on the FP. The following one is especially offensive. The acceptance of porn as mainstream has created many issues with today's youth. See what Playboy thinks was acceptable and then covers their A$$ and apologizes. How much damage does this stuff do societally in the development of kids? Party like a rock star, party like a ho with no boundaries or rules.

How Offensive, Nothing Says Merry Christmas Like Playboy and a Nude Virgin Mary Cover Controversy

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2008/12/13/how-offensive-nothing-says-merry-christmas-like-playboy-and-a-nude-virgin-mary-cover-controversy/

Would be very interested in people's thoughts.

The world today is against religion and pushing any kind of porn and it is really making it hard on the parents of kids today.  It is a constant struggle to raise your kids to have moral values in today's society.   I live in a small town and until the last couple years, our schools still had prayer at school functions and also a Christmas play every year.  Recently this has been stopped due to some people's complaining about it.  The moral majority does need to stand together and try to fight these new attitudes that are being pushed down the future generations throats.

[Hotshot]

Wouldn't surprise me.  I still want to know who the father is too.

I really didn't give much credence to the possibility of LA being the father until watching NG late last night.  When the A's were talking to KC in jail, KC referred to Caylee as being her baby, cin's baby, GA's baby -and- Lee's baby.  Since KC seems to sometimes talk in riddles, that got my attention.  Esp. after a previous poster made mention of the only DNA's that were taken, e.g. from the family, and thus the father being known. 

Totally, Golden!  I can't figure out why LE would want Lee's DNA and Lee would try to refuse to give it IF NOT for the fact that he is Caylee's father.  I know the police took both Cindy and George's DNA but I figured that that's because they lived in the same home as Caylee.  Lee did not.  I figured if they wanted Lee's DNA because he been around Caylee a lot before she died, then LE SHOULD want the DNA from Caylee's great-grandparents as she was with them on june 15 and possibly even Tony Lazzaro's since he had seen Caylee as well.
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I fully thing the DNA samples are to test what was under the babys fingernails.  fingernails dont go away, neither does the hair.  So I am thinking the DNA under the nails if the baby struggled,  would still be there.  KC was crazy but I am not thinking she would get pregnant by her brother.  IMO  But everyone around this case will be DNA'd.

[ShariVari]

I noticed you because in the 1980s I had a toy that was you! I forget what he was called and what movie/cartoon he was from...do you know?

I'm a monchichi 
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OT.

my Mom used to call ME a monchichi and I thought it was a made up name!  Must've been because I had that toy or reminded her of one! lol.

[Brandi]

   I am going to ask a question, I do hope someone will answer.  Maybe someone who is in the loop will know.  I frequently watch Dr G and at the crime scene one of the LE mentioned her.  I believe he said she was there and helping to collect the remains.  I heard him mention her more than once so I am pretty sure of what I heard.  Does anyone know if she is in on the autopsy?  I have a lot of respect for her.

I heard (when I was watching the live coverage) that yes, she was called to the scene. And that she was in charge of the autopsy. She was the one who removed the bag from the scene and took posession.

I am not familiar with her, except for all you Florida monkeys who say she is great!

[Russ]

My knowledge of DNA comes from a PBS site which talks in another scientific language.
My Mt-DNA should have 32 sets from my father's side of the family and 32 sets from my mother's. If my mother had children with say her father or her brother , then my DNA would not have the 64 markers, it would come up short say 63, as there was someone fishing in the same gene pool. How far back? Say for an example, there was intermarriage and children between my grandmother and her father ? I don't know, I am not a scientist.
I guess that tests would expect the 32 & the 32 and if they did not add up to the 32 on each side, then a person could suspect fishing in a rather shallow gene pool.
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I read something to that order somewhere when I caught Baden on Fox.  I thought it was a darn peculiar statement to make based on MTdna testing on hair, but I was already thinking along those lines and went off to research.  He certainly, from the report, could not ever identify if another non-related person was the father unless he got very specific information which I doubt OCSO has given to anyone let alone some specialist that may in fact work for the defense in the future.

[ShariVari]

Wouldn't surprise me.  I still want to know who the father is too.

I really didn't give much credence to the possibility of LA being the father until watching NG late last night.  When the A's were talking to KC in jail, KC referred to Caylee as being her baby, cin's baby, GA's baby -and- Lee's baby.  Since KC seems to sometimes talk in riddles, that got my attention.  Esp. after a previous poster made mention of the only DNA's that were taken, e.g. from the family, and thus the father being known. 

Totally, Golden!  I can't figure out why LE would want Lee's DNA and Lee would try to refuse to give it IF NOT for the fact that he is Caylee's father.  I know the police took both Cindy and George's DNA but I figured that that's because they lived in the same home as Caylee.  Lee did not.  I figured if they wanted Lee's DNA because he been around Caylee a lot before she died, then LE SHOULD want the DNA from Caylee's great-grandparents as she was with them on june 15 and possibly even Tony Lazzaro's since he had seen Caylee as well.

I fully thing the DNA samples are to test what was under the babys fingernails.  fingernails dont go away, neither does the hair.  So I am thinking the DNA under the nails if the baby struggled,  would still be there.  KC was crazy but I am not thinking she would get pregnant by her brother.  IMO  But everyone around this case will be DNA'd.
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good thought!  I totally forgot about the troves of info you can find out by checking what's under a victim's fingernails.

[Wyks]

Well, if as a whole, the monkeys would rather have it be something nefarious, then by all means, let's believe it was a stick. 

Going back to my coffee now. 

ne⋅far⋅i⋅ous   /nɪˈfɛəriəs/ Show Spelled Pronunciation  [ni-fair-ee-uhs] Show IPA Pronunciation 

–adjective extremely wicked or villainous; iniquitous: a nefarious plot. 

Had to look it up first 

I wasn't thinking of it as a weapon...maybe something spilled on it or similar piece found at the site of the body..?

LOL    You never know. 

Is anybody actually looking at the pictures I'm posting? As in, studying them? I just took the one you all posted, directly from the board... I realize you all think it's a stick, and I can't expect you to believe anything I say... I am just suggesting it might not be a stick, and in fact, I personally, don't think it is. I had my husband come in here and check it out. The picture (not zoomed), he said did look like it was a stick. But when I zoomed in, he said he didn't see that anymore. It just looked like a bag.  But hey- what do we know. 

I looked at your pictures but it still looks like a stick board with rounded edges.. there's shadow behind it and slightly different color/texture...does the video show the person putting it in the car clearly enough to see if the paper bends or if it's rigid?

BTW...if my wife said it was a paper bag...I'd say "yes hon...it is" if I know what's good for me 

AHAHAHA!!     You males are getting just too darn smart!     I asked one of my sons, 'take a look at this, is that a stick in that bag?'  He looked at the bag pic... Looks at me.. Looks at the ceiling.. (as if asking for God's help?  lol)  Then he clears his throat and says, 'If you say so.'     Brat!  LOL!

[Kat_Gram]

The dna will be presented in court for identification of the remains to Casey's DNA and known DNA of Caylee. There will be a doc dump of the lab results sometime. That trial won't be in March now, they have all the tests to do. Look how long their labs take. Not for the DNA from the remains now, but all of the other evidence has to be analysed and weighed.
I am glad the FBI is involved and is at the scene. There will be a crowd of morbid gawkers just waiting for the tapes to go down. Hope Baez and K-Baden are last.
Imagine wanting and demading a crowd of lawyers at an autopsy.
Dr. Perper did a great job for Anna Nicole Smith by allowing the dignity for the deceased to be a primary concern. And keeping the hawkers and gawkers out.