Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #73

[akmom]

   I am going to ask a question, I do hope someone will answer.  Maybe someone who is in the loop will know.  I frequently watch Dr G and at the crime scene one of the LE mentioned her.  I believe he said she was there and helping to collect the remains.  I heard him mention her more than once so I am pretty sure of what I heard.  Does anyone know if she is in on the autopsy?  I have a lot of respect for her.

Yes I believe I heard she did the autopsy. So many people on this board seems to know and respect her, I have to say I never heard of her before.

Thank you.  I do hope so.  She seems to be so knowledgeable.  I feel comfortable in that I believe she would take compassionate care of our angel.

[Dolce]

I never realized just how close Lee is in all of this.  The drop site is right between the 2 homes almost exactly.  Thats creepy. Possibly placed Caylee 50% from her mother and 50% from her father. (Caylee's that is, if Lee is the father...which I am still on the fence about.)

[txlisa]

   I am going to ask a question, I do hope someone will answer.  Maybe someone who is in the loop will know.  I frequently watch Dr G and at the crime scene one of the LE mentioned her.  I believe he said she was there and helping to collect the remains.  I heard him mention her more than once so I am pretty sure of what I heard.  Does anyone know if she is in on the autopsy?  I have a lot of respect for her.

Yes I believe I heard she did the autopsy. So many people on this board seems to know and respect her, I have to say I never heard of her before.

Good Afternoon Monkeys,

I wonder if she will testify at trial?  I do remember her from when she was Chief ME in San Antonio.  In on case, there was a 12 year old girl accused of killing an infant and a toddler.  When the 12 year old girl killed the grandmother's dog, Dr. G was able to determine the cause of death for both children and the dog.  She is very thorough and tenacious.  I do have alot of respect for her.

Lisa

[SS]

Wouldn't surprise me.  I still want to know who the father is too.

I think the silence is deafening on that subject from LE.  We have been given 4 stories directly from the family and maybe more with what has been released by third party.

I don't think it is as simple as it doesn't matter, she doesn't know, she doesn't care, etc.  I think it is clear that the obfuscation today and for the last three years is intentional.  Whatever story sounds best at the time.

George told Casey if things don't come to a conclusion soon in a jail visit, that other things might come to the surface.  Casey said "I know".  Casey also told her brother that perhaps "law enforcement should have been contacted earlier".  How much earlier, as she said something like "this should have been done a lot sooner?".  Was that a threat?

I certainly disagree with everyone that says it doesn't matter.  I think it matters a lot, not only in the motive aspect, but if the father is someone still alive - they should have rights to lay her to rest too.

Why and how did Dr. Baden say clearly that LE knows who the father is already by looking at the DNA report??

I have demonstrated all the signs and hints several times here as to why I am 90% sure Lee is the father.

There are many who agree with you.   

[Monken]

This is a bit OT, but I will take some license. Actually in the larger picture of life it might be spot on topic. What creates the mindset like Casey that would become so dissociative and uncaring? What makes one think that partying like a HO is more important than caring for a child?

I have recently provided many posts regarding the war on Christmas on the FP. The following one is especially offensive. The acceptance of porn as mainstream has created many issues with today's youth. See what Playboy thinks was acceptable and then covers their A$$ and apologizes. How much damage does this stuff do societally in the development of kids? Party like a rock star, party like a ho with no boundaries or rules.

How Offensive, Nothing Says Merry Christmas Like Playboy and a Nude Virgin Mary Cover Controversy

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2008/12/13/how-offensive-nothing-says-merry-christmas-like-playboy-and-a-nude-virgin-mary-cover-controversy/

Would be very interested in people's thoughts.

Red, there has been an ongoing war on Christmas & has become more pronounced over the past several years. Remember a few years ago when businesses stopped using Merry Christmas opting for Happy Holidays, instead! That made it all the way to my small town & my entire family was furious & openly protested some of the signs. Right now, we all have "WE SAY MERRY CHRISTMAS" bumpers stickers on our cars! I remember very well what Christmas was like when I was a child & it really hasn't been THAT long ago  Those Christmases were so special & have remained so throughout the years. Our Christmas traditions are being carried through the generations.   

[Hudsunn]

I did not think for a moment that Lee could be the father, or George, until I heard that Casey told friends that both had molested her.  Casey is a liar, but even a liar tells the truth sometimes.  I had to wonder if there was any truth to it or if she just wanted attention and sympathy.  If it is true, it seems that Baez would use that at trial.  How could he not use it unless Casey forbids him to.

[seemeatthebeach]

   I am going to ask a question, I do hope someone will answer.  Maybe someone who is in the loop will know.  I frequently watch Dr G and at the crime scene one of the LE mentioned her.  I believe he said she was there and helping to collect the remains.  I heard him mention her more than once so I am pretty sure of what I heard.  Does anyone know if she is in on the autopsy?  I have a lot of respect for her.

I heard (when I was watching the live coverage) that yes, she was called to the scene. And that she was in charge of the autopsy. She was the one who removed the bag from the scene and took posession.

I am not familiar with her, except for all you Florida monkeys who say she is great!

Yes, Dr. G came to the scene, and would be doing the autopsy....there is a GOD!

[NO1ZMONKEY]

My knowledge of DNA comes from a PBS site which talks in another scientific language.
My Mt-DNA should have 32 sets from my father's side of the family and 32 sets from my mother's. If my mother had children with say her father or her brother , then my DNA would not have the 64 markers, it would come up short say 63, as there was someone fishing in the same gene pool. How far back? Say for an example, there was intermarriage and children between my grandmother and her father ? I don't know, I am not a scientist.
I guess that tests would expect the 32 & the 32 and if they did not add up to the 32 on each side, then a person could suspect fishing in a rather shallow gene pool.
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You are absolutely sooo correct. and it would be a cherry on top of a perfectly twisted and sick family...but her brother can't be the father...they are not innapropriate towards eachother, even when they are under surveillance without their knowledge *not that they have much*..just as casey lied about everything else..she lied about her brother making sexual advances towards her....and look who she told it to, her boytoy jessie grund.. she didnt want jessie to be friends with her brother she wanted him to hate lee...she knew jessie would never say anything..until now..casey is not sick, she does not have a disorder, post-partum, multiple personalities..nada. zilch.. she is just an accomplished brat. my sister was the exact same way growing up...lied about everything...even down to the parents divorcing, getting the house...yeah the works...because dad was mucked up in one way or another(((my sister told friends that our dad was really not her dad that my mother had an affair while still married with my father and passed her off as his...and she had discovered it...))))).....all this is , is caseys twisted aspect of divide and conquer. She is that one person that goes back and forth from friends and family and tells lies about each party to the other....lets say....kiomarie..she called caseys mom a psycho that had gone to get help......you know she got that from casey. also that her mother did not approve of colored people so she couldnt come over when her mom was around. casey is just as much a control freak as her mother.. but controlling only in her life since mommy and daddy took care of her necessities. to get to my point...she didnt want her friends to make nice with her mommy, bcuz then they would talk to her...be her friend..or let details slip about her secret life...Amy...thought her parents were crazy..all of tony lazarros friends...they thought the same thing. Jessie grund..ditto. that one boy that she dated and lied about working with him at sports authority..same thing with him..... he thought her mom was nutzo..now she really is but we can all understand. My sister was in the EXACT same position as casey anthony 2 years ago. except she didnt kill my nephew..thank god.. but she attempted suicide..when it didnt go thru as she thought she came up with this huge lie that she had cheated on her husband with this other guy and she thought she was pregnant and wanted to kill herself. While she was in the hospital she got a pregnancy test, and no she wasnt pregnant. we were all baffled of why she would do that...lie like that and just try to kill herself. well my sister had been pretending to go to school (college) even having books, and she was constantly on her laptop working for her new job at a real estate office..but she could work from home...and just like casey..i only witnessed her being on myspace..she knew her secret was going to be unveilled so she tried to destroy the evidence...herself. i hope i didnt ramble..but this isnt a sickness, its narcissism to the fullest extent. also being raised in a good family could do this to you.

[no rose colored glasses]

This is a bit OT, but I will take some license. Actually in the larger picture of life it might be spot on topic. What creates the mindset like Casey that would become so dissociative and uncaring? What makes one think that partying like a HO is more important than caring for a child?

I have recently provided many posts regarding the war on Christmas on the FP. The following one is especially offensive. The acceptance of porn as mainstream has created many issues with today's youth. See what Playboy thinks was acceptable and then covers their A$$ and apologizes. How much damage does this stuff do societally in the development of kids? Party like a rock star, party like a ho with no boundaries or rules.

How Offensive, Nothing Says Merry Christmas Like Playboy and a Nude Virgin Mary Cover Controversy

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2008/12/13/how-offensive-nothing-says-merry-christmas-like-playboy-and-a-nude-virgin-mary-cover-controversy/

Would be very interested in people's thoughts.

I saw a commercial the other day that completely shocked me at about 7:30pm for some jean company with people ripping their clothes off.  I haven't been shocked beyond the damn smiling bob guy, and some other lurid stuff but this commercial was over the top directed to youngins...

I will check the thread out.

I am the minority here I know on this, but I am a product of this sort of "stuff".  My neice who is 4, her favorite song is "Party Like a Rockstar".  The commercial I believe that Russ is refering to is the Levi's commercial, it did not bother me really....I watch the TV program "The Girls Next Door" which is about Heff's 3 girlfriends living in the Playboy mansion, I thought it was cute.  I DO NOT agree with the December cover nor do I read Playboy or Playgirl (which went bankrupt)  I am just saying though, that while I do think that Casey is a product of her environment, as am I, she had a break down in her family dynamic that played a dramatic role in all of this. I am expecting 2 children, and never could I fathom harming a bug let alone a human.
I do not believe Casey was ever really taught lying is bad, how could she when her role model within her family (the parents) were busy fighting and lying to one another?  Casey learned fast that being the drama queen got her the attention she longed for, most likely learned that from Cindy.  BOTH of them always have to be the center of attention, or in this sort of case "the victim".
I am 1 year older than Casey is, I have a Facebook and a MySpace, was chatting at age 11 in chat rooms.  The sales aproach to my age group was how to be famous.  Well, I think Casey got her wish, its outrageous that Caylee had to pay the cost.

I understand what you are saying, one daughter is 24 her birthday is today, and one daughter is 22, and they have been exposed to all this from an early age. I cannot fathom my kids harming a bug let alone a human, either. I think it is hard for people my age, 53, because we did not grow up with all this sex and violence on tv, video games, etc. I grew up in a small town in Wisconsin, and very naive, I see with my own daughters and other kids what they knew, say at 12, I didn't even know at 18. I guess in a way what I'm trying to say is, my growing up was like The Wonder Years, and it is scary to see what kids today are growing up with.

[Hudsunn]

Count me as another who says the identity of the biological father is necessary.

First, the prosecution has to discount him and his family members as possible suspects.  I am sure they did that early.  If he is dead, as Casey said, he cannot be involved and if his parents never knew about the child, neither can they.  But that question has to be answered.

Second, if the father is alive and does not know he has a daughter, he is entitled to know and to know that she is now dead.  If he is not living, his family deserves to know about Caylee so that they can attend her funeral if they want and help to achieve justice for her.

Third, it is highly unusual for a mother to let a guy off the hook these days.  Casey clearly wanted Jesse to think he was the father for the financial help and the free babysitting his family provided when she worked.  I find it very suspicious that she never asked for child support or for social security benefits if the real father was killed.

[Dolce]

I did not think for a moment that Lee could be the father, or George, until I heard that Casey told friends that both had molested her.  Casey is a liar, but even a liar tells the truth sometimes.  I had to wonder if there was any truth to it or if she just wanted attention and sympathy.  If it is true, it seems that Baez would use that at trial.  How could he not use it unless Casey forbids him to.

I am with you Hudsunn, those documents from Jesse and Tony almost pushed me off the fence in belief of the paternity.  I do not for a second believe it to be George, if it is either one of the 2 it would IMO be Lee.
This debate has come up so much, and with all the emails that Cindy has addressed out through the Calyee website and to others, why not adress this issue?  Why not one simple "Get over it, Lee and George were not the father of Caylee"?
Lee's refusal of DNA raised another flag in this saga, but I thought more in the regards to disposal and not so much paternity. MOO

[SS]

Wouldn't surprise me.  I still want to know who the father is too.

I really didn't give much credence to the possibility of LA being the father until watching NG late last night.  When the A's were talking to KC in jail, KC referred to Caylee as being her baby, cin's baby, GA's baby -and- Lee's baby.  Since KC seems to sometimes talk in riddles, that got my attention.  Esp. after a previous poster made mention of the only DNA's that were taken, e.g. from the family, and thus the father being known.  

Little bits of truth in lies like in her gut, Caylee was close.

Dr. Baden gave an analysis from the dna of the hair and clearly said that LE already knows who the father is.  There was no other DNA testing done besides MTdna on the hair and Casey.  I have seen several times that certain percentages in certain things (of what I don't know) give a clue who to the father is if it is a family member.  I wasn't sure about it until Dr. Baden clearly said what he did about LE knowing who the father is.  There have been no utterances from LE regarding the father and there have been no other DNA reports released.  He must know something the novice world does not.
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Orlando LE, the FBI, and the Body Farm have done an excellent job with this case.  They no doubt have information and evidence that will shock us.  I think they have released much of the information for public support reasons and to drive the defense crazy, but they have kept the good information close to their vests.

[txlisa]

Does anyone remember the injuries Casey mentioned that "Zanny" sustained during the car wreck?  My mind is wandering and I thought about how there is a little bit of truth in what Casey says.  My fear is that she was actually describing Caylee's injuries.

Lisa

[islandmonkey]

  Afternoon Monkeys~ I know this isn't possible, but I would love it if after the ME is completely finished with all the evidence gathering of Caylee's remains and all the DNA retrieval IF thdy could put the remains back in the black trash bag and put it in Casey's jail cell ............for about a week. The defense atty Linda Kenney Rotten thought Casey deserved this right, I say give it to her. see how that biatch would like that!

[Dolce]

Does anyone remember the injuries Casey mentioned that "Zanny" sustained during the car wreck?  My mind is wandering and I thought about how there is a little bit of truth in what Casey says.  My fear is that she was actually describing Caylee's injuries.

Lisa

A concussion IIRC.  She was rushed to the hospital for head trama, but turned out minor concussion.

[nikkibnurse]

Hey guys..just out of curiosity, has anything new been hinted at lately about Lee being the father? I know we have looked into it early on, but with all the talk over the past few days, has anyone said anything that would lead us back here again?
I beleive there is a possibility of that....but, I was just wondering..have I missed anything new?

[Hotshot]

...someone brought up the point that - she's claiming that the father is 'dead' - wouldn't she be collecting some sort of money from his death, for Caylee?
She didn't work and was stealing for money - don't you think she would want something like that?

all the more reason, in my mind, that Lee is the father.  You cannot collect Social Security for a "niecedaughter" , I'm sure the Anthony's figured that one out before they even tried!

for a daughter you can collect social security...

That is right, you can.  But they told us that Caylee's father was not on the birth certifcate correct?  That blows it for SS benifits, and death benifits, or anything else that Casey wanted to collect on.  They said it was agreed upon that the father would not be included in her life, so there for i would have to assume that meant it was all on Casey for the upbringing of Caylee....And thats how they wanted it.  So even if the father did die, which was stated way back when, that would be why she is not collecting from his benifits.. no name=no money

[Hudsunn]

There just has to be a reason that Cindy and Casey both wanted the real father's identity kept so secret.  I think that Cindy lied about that under oath at the hearing when she said she always thought it was Jesse Grund and later that Casey showed her an obit but she forgot the name of the father who died in a car crash.  Cindy would not forget that.

This case has shown us that in spite of her calls for Casey to "look at the camera so I can see your eyes," Cindy sometimes does not want to know the truth.  In fact, she will go to extraordinary lengths to avoid the truth even when she strongly suspects what it is. 

Maybe Cindy wonders if Lee is the father but does not want to know.  Why else would the denials not be coming from her and Casey and Lee?  I have heard of no denials at all about the fatherhood rumors.

[no rose colored glasses]

Does anyone remember the injuries Casey mentioned that "Zanny" sustained during the car wreck?  My mind is wandering and I thought about how there is a little bit of truth in what Casey says.  My fear is that she was actually describing Caylee's injuries.

Lisa

Wasn't one of them a concussion?

[cheeky monkey]

Brandi, if you could and if you have time, would you decorate this monkey for Christmas please.  He looks out of the Christmas spirit.   

( http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo242/Brandi-Monkey/cheeky-xmas.gif )

THANK YOU !!!!