Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #74

[rmcalo]

I've been thinking the very same thing! I also think that LE/FBI MUST have found additional prints on the bag or on some evidence, leading to George and Cindy "voluntarily" providing their prints to LE yesterday.

All I know is I hope that if George did find the body he wasn't the one to tape the trash bag b/c if his prints are on that tape - get ready - I could ABSOLUTELY see Casey saying he did it.

OOPS RM - I'm sorry.  I screwed up your quote above 
[/quote]

That's OK, I do that all the time! I have no idea I am doing or even saying 95% of the time. 

Just learned how to insert a monkey emoticon. LOL. Or is it called a monkicon?

Seriously, I keep speculating all kinds of things about this case, I guess because it is so hard for anyone to comprehend how someone could actually do any of this to their own child and grandchild. I keep wondering if people on this board are thinking, "Now where did she get that idea???"

By the way, does anyone else think Dr. Lee looks like the grim reaper? He scares me.

[no rose colored glasses]

Good afternoon All Monkeys.....I live in NE Ohio...original "home of the Ants" and have posted about this before, but now it has more relevance to what's on everyones' minds.  The Niles, Warren, Youngstown area is like no other area of the country.  It was once a booming manufacturing center of the nation.  The advent of industrialization brought a huge number of immigrants from eastern Europe.  These were largely uneducated people.  They came to work in the mills and factories.   The unions came in and these uneducated masses became devout followers...their mentality is such that everyone owes them something, that they don't have personal responsibility, "I'll get mine and screw you".   It's still a very corrupt, uneducated, morally bankrupt place...these are the "roots" of Cindy and George. 

I respectuflly disagree with those who think CA and GA "loved" Caylee.  When I see those photos of her room...all I see is a bunch of chit that any idiot with a credit card can get...it's all for show IMO.  If they truly loved her, they would have never allowed her to be taken out of their care.  They knew their daughter  was unfit to care for this toddler.  They would have placated Casey in any form so as not to put Caylee at risk.  They try too hard now, to make us believe they were a loving family.   

I agree, they new that Caylee was at risk, the stories that Casey was coming up with and telling Cindy during the month time span, were insane, there is no way she believed her, and I would have tracked her down, until that baby was in my arms. Complete bs.

[KarmaRoundUp]

I believe she put duct tape on Caylee's mouth also, to make it appear she was abducted. One thing I am curious about is if Caylee's hands were bound, to also play into the abduction scenario.

I HOPE that all of you are correct that Caylee's mouth was duct taped AFTER she died and that Casey was planning her defense ahead of time in case the remains were discovered. I, however, don't think that Casey did much planning or she wouldn't have dumped Caylee in her own neighborhood like a bag of unwanted trash. I fear that the tape was placed on her lips before Casey killed her so she could not cry out. I believe that may be the extent of Casey's pre-planning other than to pre-meditate how not to be caught in the act.

I think Casey put the tape over Caylee's little mouth to force her to breath in the chloraform.I think it was an accident but it could have been prevented IF Cindy and George didn't run around living their lives on fantasy island.They knew how immature and unstable Casey was,how could they not try harder to protect Caylee when Casey took her away for a month?!?
I do not agree with Baden when he said this was an accident therefore it is not a capital murder case....Mama's drug their kids to sleep all the time.
What a jerk.....is he also on the defenses team?

The trouble with your idea of the tape over the mouth to force her to breathe the chloroform is that if Casey ever watched any movies or TV shows where someone is chloroformed, the perpetrator usually approaches the victim from behind and claps a saturated folded washcloth size piece of material across the mouth and nose. I don't think you have to be smack against the face, as I believe the fumes are pretty potent.

It's my belief that she taped her mouth so she could kill her without her crying out and alerting anyone that something was going on. My guess is she did it in her parents' house, but that is just my guess, and she could have killed her anywhere the car would take them.

Aah,maybe Casey didn't use the duct tape at all?Maybe Casey just searched out how to make chloroform back in March,made it and used it to drug Caylee each time she was stuck with her.Maybe someone else knew where the body was and put that duct tape on her?Could've been an ex LE or just a brother who thinks he's an investigator.Whoever duct taped little Caylee....they better hope they wore gloves the whole time.
I have a strange feeling they won't find any finger prints on the tape.

I heard one of the criminalists on tv say that you can't use gloves with duct tape.  I wonder if that is true!  I hope so, because then we will have fingerprints.

I think it may be possible with thick gloves,not the doctor kinda gloves.I don't have duct tape otherwise I'd do an experiment.

[Tamikosmom]

I want to make it perfectly clear ... although I question the Mark NeJame/TES connection ... I have nothing but admiration for the efforts of Tim Miller and ... his vounteers.

However ... why has an official search for Caylee's remains not been conducted in that wooded area near the home of the Anthonys by the Orlando LE?  Why does the Orlando LE not take the responsibility of recruiting experienced searchers from within their own ranks while underwriting the costs.

I believe that ... the locating of Caylee Marie's remains was a very crucial aspect of the investigation and ... the overseeing of the search should have been the official responsibility of the Orlando LE in the investigative process.

Something does not seem right that a private search organization without direct access to experienced searcher and ... is financially dependent on donations ...   

Todd Black ... spokesperson for the defense ... negated Tim Mill (TES) and ... alluded to the failure of the Orlando LE not taking responsibility in regards to an "official " search in the last paragraph of the following media release.

Was Todd Black's words of October 29th foretelling the Defence's strategy for legalling underminding the Caylee Marie investigation investigation.

Janet

++++++

TODD BLACK ... MEDIA RELEASE
October 29, 2008

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/media/acrobat/2008-10/43101437.pdf


Caylee Anthony's Grandfather To Testify Before Grand Jury 
Search Group May Pull Oout Of Search For Missing Toddler 
Last Edited: Monday, 13 Oct 2008, 11:42 AM EDT 
Created: Monday, 13 Oct 2008, 11:42 AM EDT   

Miller flew into Orlando on Thursday with a few members of the group and a board director. New York Times bestselling author Judith McNaught is helping with the financing and came to support Tim in what she calls "a draining case."

"I'm out here to write checks; that's what the Board of Directors does, because we all want it to turn out so well," said McNaught. "At the same time, this is the first time I've made a public appearance on any case, because he (Miller) is so exhausted," she said, adding "I'm worried about our main resource."

http://www.myfoxny.com/myfox/pages/News/Detail?contentId=7634081&version=1&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=3.3.1


Judge Expected To Accept Casey Anthony's Written Plea
POSTED: 6:49 am EDT October 27, 2008
UPDATED: 10:42 am EDT October 27, 2008

VOLUNTEER GROUP RECRUITING MEMBERS FOR SEARCH

The volunteer group that searched for Caylee is looking to recruit new members. EquuSearch wants current or former members of the military, law enforcement officers or firefighters to serve as team leaders for the next search, scheduled for November 8.

The search is expected to attract several thousand volunteers, including 500 bounty hunters and bail agents.

http://www.wftv.com/news/17808566/detail.html

[KarmaRoundUp]

I believe she put duct tape on Caylee's mouth also, to make it appear she was abducted. One thing I am curious about is if Caylee's hands were bound, to also play into the abduction scenario.

I HOPE that all of you are correct that Caylee's mouth was duct taped AFTER she died and that Casey was planning her defense ahead of time in case the remains were discovered. I, however, don't think that Casey did much planning or she wouldn't have dumped Caylee in her own neighborhood like a bag of unwanted trash. I fear that the tape was placed on her lips before Casey killed her so she could not cry out. I believe that may be the extent of Casey's pre-planning other than to pre-meditate how not to be caught in the act.

I think Casey put the tape over Caylee's little mouth to force her to breath in the chloraform.I think it was an accident but it could have been prevented IF Cindy and George didn't run around living their lives on fantasy island.They knew how immature and unstable Casey was,how could they not try harder to protect Caylee when Casey took her away for a month?!?
I do not agree with Baden when he said this was an accident therefore it is not a capital murder case....Mama's drug their kids to sleep all the time.
What a jerk.....is he also on the defenses team?

The trouble with your idea of the tape over the mouth to force her to breathe the chloroform is that if Casey ever watched any movies or TV shows where someone is chloroformed, the perpetrator usually approaches the victim from behind and claps a saturated folded washcloth size piece of material across the mouth and nose. I don't think you have to be smack against the face, as I believe the fumes are pretty potent.

It's my belief that she taped her mouth so she could kill her without her crying out and alerting anyone that something was going on. My guess is she did it in her parents' house, but that is just my guess, and she could have killed her anywhere the car would take them.

Aah,maybe Casey didn't use the duct tape at all?Maybe Casey just searched out how to make chloroform back in March,made it and used it to drug Caylee each time she was stuck with her.Maybe someone else knew where the body was and put that duct tape on her?Could've been an ex LE or just a brother who thinks he's an investigator.Whoever duct taped little Caylee....they better hope they wore gloves the whole time.
I have a strange feeling they won't find any finger prints on the tape.

I heard one of the criminalists on tv say that you can't use gloves with duct tape.  I wonder if that is true!  I hope so, because then we will have fingerprints.

I think that you can use gloves with duct tape...but it will be very difficult...what about leather gloves

That's what I was thinking Ceci,or thick winter gloves,thick garden gloves,thick work gloves.

[Wyks]

Casey has a new attorney? Who is it? Is it that woman that looks like a man in a wig? What's her name, Something-Baden? TIA

LMAO, She looks like Donatella Versace to me!

Monken shield your eyes

SCAAARRRYYYYY

It does

IMO, a person who looks like this needs a job in radio... 

[Searching]

Good Morning Monkey Friends!! 
I betcha very soon , now that Donatella Kenney-Baden is on the defense team, Dr Baden will pull a Phil Spector trial-like stance and back his wife's team... $$$$ Who the hell IS for Caylee?? Us & the prosecution, certainly NOT her family..

Curious... Why would anything said by Dr. Baden be allowed, when his wife is on the defense team?     Is the prosecution really gonna stand for this?  Seems a HUGE conflict of interest to me!

Thats what I thought too

[numbersgirl]

I want to make it perfectly clear ... although I question the Mark NeJame/TES connection ... I have nothing but admiration for the efforts of Tim Miller and ... his vounteers.

However ... why has an official search for Caylee's remains not been conducted in that wooded area near the home of the Anthonys by the Orlando LE?  Why does the Orlando LE not take the responsibility of recruiting experienced searchers from within their own ranks while underwriting the costs.

I believe that ... the locating of Caylee Marie's remains was a very crucial aspect of the investigation and ... the overseeing of the search should have been the official responsibility of the Orlando LE in the investigative process.

Something does not seem right that a private search organization without direct access to experienced searcher and ... is financially dependent on donations ...   

Todd Black ... spokesperson for the defense ... negated Tim Mill (TES) and ... alluded to the failure of the Orlando LE not taking responsibility in regards to an "official " search in the last paragraph of the following media release.

Was Todd Black's words of October 29th foretelling the Defence's strategy for legalling underminding the Caylee Marie investigation investigation.

Janet

++++++

TODD BLACK ... MEDIA RELEASE
October 29, 2008

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/media/acrobat/2008-10/43101437.pdf


Caylee Anthony's Grandfather To Testify Before Grand Jury 
Search Group May Pull Oout Of Search For Missing Toddler 
Last Edited: Monday, 13 Oct 2008, 11:42 AM EDT 
Created: Monday, 13 Oct 2008, 11:42 AM EDT   

Miller flew into Orlando on Thursday with a few members of the group and a board director. New York Times bestselling author Judith McNaught is helping with the financing and came to support Tim in what she calls "a draining case."

"I'm out here to write checks; that's what the Board of Directors does, because we all want it to turn out so well," said McNaught. "At the same time, this is the first time I've made a public appearance on any case, because he (Miller) is so exhausted," she said, adding "I'm worried about our main resource."

http://www.myfoxny.com/myfox/pages/News/Detail?contentId=7634081&version=1&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=3.3.1


Judge Expected To Accept Casey Anthony's Written Plea
POSTED: 6:49 am EDT October 27, 2008
UPDATED: 10:42 am EDT October 27, 2008

VOLUNTEER GROUP RECRUITING MEMBERS FOR SEARCH

The volunteer group that searched for Caylee is looking to recruit new members. EquuSearch wants current or former members of the military, law enforcement officers or firefighters to serve as team leaders for the next search, scheduled for November 8.

The search is expected to attract several thousand volunteers, including 500 bounty hunters and bail agents.

http://www.wftv.com/news/17808566/detail.html

Janet, I hear what you're asking and I agree that it would be prudent for LE to conduct their own searches.  I do believe they did that on a limited scale.  It all comes down to money.  Municipalities just don't have unlimited resources to take this on.  It is a sad reality.   

[QuietMonkey]

Looks like the cage is a little quieter now. I will make it even quieter for a little while now, be back later!

Carry on Monkeys!!! 

[KarmaRoundUp]

"I have a strange feeling they won't find any finger prints on the tape."

Karma, you could be absolutely correct on this one. Either "someone" wore gloves or the evidence has been destroyed by time and the ravages of nature. At some point, we'll learn the truth. If Casey tossed the bag in a panic to just rid herself and the car of the bag, and nobody (like Lee) has been back to "work" on the evidence since, my guess is her fingerprints are or were all over the tape.

They could have also used tweezers to get the tape on her face.I wonder if forensics can tell just from the tape whether it was put on before or after Caylee died.

[anothermonkey]

I can just hear her babbling this, I wonder if the defense is going with some kind of mental deficincy?

could be a defense tactic.  remember the dude who had color crayons/pencils in the courtroom?    

That was/is one sick bastard.. what he did to that girl!! 

[KarmaRoundUp]

I am wondering if the clothing they say was found near the body were the same clothes Caylee had on in the Father's Day video or the outfit George said she was wearing  the next day in the make believe story he told...?? hmmm

great question that I too am wondering >>-->> 

Very soon after the 1st officer arrived on the scene, units were dispatched to the A house to secure it.  This means that whatever was found was immediately known to that officer.  Without checking the video I could not immediately identify the clothing from the Father's Day video.  It is a possibility that it was clothing, but I lean to something more identifiable.  Something with the A's address or maybe a picture. 

Yes or maybe the matching comforter to that pillow they took out of the house.....

[Paulah]

Just reported on Fox News ...

Kidfinders & the Anthony's will hold a press conf. tonight at 7:30

Go Cin-Cin and Geo!  Already mouthing, I am SURE, AGAINST their lawyer's advice!  They just can't shut up!  Wonder how long it will take for Conway to ditch them????

[no rose colored glasses]

I think Casey either dumped her alone, just threw the bag as far as she could OR since she is so lazy left her in the trunk of the car.  Thus, the reason she was always so insistent that she did not know where her daughter (that little girl) was. 

George drove that car home.  If I'm not mistaken Cindy went straight back  to work from the tow yard.  Think about George's actions prior to leaving the tow yard.  He looked into the trunk and thought to himself, I hope I don't find my daughter or Caylee in there.  He checked before he even left.  The smell and the facts surrounding the previous weeks made him actually think that it was possible there was a dead body in the trunk.

Being former LE and a loving father and grandfather how likely is it that he didn't search every inch of that car when he got home.  What if he found Caylee in the wheel well?  In fact, maybe he just found another trash bag all taped up and didn't even look in it.   

I think either scenario is possible.  George always looks like the family cat that ate the pet bird.  Plus that strange request that Casey made asking to see George when she was in jail the first time.

I've been thinking the very same thing! I also think that LE/FBI MUST have found additional prints on the bag or on some evidence, leading to George and Cindy "voluntarily" providing their prints to LE yesterday.

I also read someone else make the point about how odd it is that George would call the police over stolen gas cans but not call the police immediately when his daughters car was found after being abandoned w/ the odor of decompensation (which he recognized as decompensation).

Esp. when he knew Casey stole those gas cans. And that wedge thing that he wanted from Casey's trunk, and what really gets me is the chase scenario he came up with, none of this makes sense.

[OriginalKat]

The search area was 25 square miles. It wasn't all searched. Some of it was under water. Was Tim to get cadaver dogs that can detect bodies under water and do every sinkhole or low lying water filled area in Orlando within that 25 square mile area. They will deflect and blame anyone they can and this Ms. Bart's activities in her communcations with Cindy don't leave her compromised facing public distain and obstruction charges. If she colluded with Cindy on any fake sightings, she will be sleeping in the crowbar hotel also.
..
What did Jose take away from the ANT house / Something he doesn't want LE or the FBI to get. Oh, let's have an open and full disclosure kinda case. You first Jose !

If JB took some stuff it was for show for the cameras. I doubt if there is anything in there to help the defense unless it is fake notes somebody wrote and back dated. I am sure LE got more than they needed and that was after Mallory showed up and stayed in the house for 10 min. I am wondering more of what she might have taken or destroyed.

[KarmaRoundUp]

I believe she put duct tape on Caylee's mouth also, to make it appear she was abducted. One thing I am curious about is if Caylee's hands were bound, to also play into the abduction scenario.

I HOPE that all of you are correct that Caylee's mouth was duct taped AFTER she died and that Casey was planning her defense ahead of time in case the remains were discovered. I, however, don't think that Casey did much planning or she wouldn't have dumped Caylee in her own neighborhood like a bag of unwanted trash. I fear that the tape was placed on her lips before Casey killed her so she could not cry out. I believe that may be the extent of Casey's pre-planning other than to pre-meditate how not to be caught in the act.

I think Casey put the tape over Caylee's little mouth to force her to breath in the chloraform.I think it was an accident but it could have been prevented IF Cindy and George didn't run around living their lives on fantasy island.They knew how immature and unstable Casey was,how could they not try harder to protect Caylee when Casey took her away for a month?!?
I do not agree with Baden when he said this was an accident therefore it is not a capital murder case....Mama's drug their kids to sleep all the time.
What a jerk.....is he also on the defenses team?

The trouble with your idea of the tape over the mouth to force her to breathe the chloroform is that if Casey ever watched any movies or TV shows where someone is chloroformed, the perpetrator usually approaches the victim from behind and claps a saturated folded washcloth size piece of material across the mouth and nose. I don't think you have to be smack against the face, as I believe the fumes are pretty potent.

It's my belief that she taped her mouth so she could kill her without her crying out and alerting anyone that something was going on. My guess is she did it in her parents' house, but that is just my guess, and she could have killed her anywhere the car would take them.

Aah,maybe Casey didn't use the duct tape at all?Maybe Casey just searched out how to make chloroform back in March,made it and used it to drug Caylee each time she was stuck with her.Maybe someone else knew where the body was and put that duct tape on her?Could've been an ex LE or just a brother who thinks he's an investigator.Whoever duct taped little Caylee....they better hope they wore gloves the whole time.
I have a strange feeling they won't find any finger prints on the tape.

I heard one of the criminalists on tv say that you can't use gloves with duct tape.  I wonder if that is true!  I hope so, because then we will have fingerprints.

I think that you can use gloves with duct tape...but it will be very difficult...what about leather gloves

Yeah, tight fitting leather gloves might work.  Gardening or latex gloves would not work.  We can only hope that Casey was dumb and lazy enough to use her bare hands.  Maybe she even used her teeth to tear it!!  Then we would have her saliva on it too.  Of course then we would hear that Zenaida probably forced her to lick duct tape, so Zenaida could frame Casey, right??

Remember that serrated steak knife that Cindy found in the car and washed?  I bet Casey thought to use that to cut the tape so that she wouldn't have to put her teeth on it.

Aah,good point Shari.I forgot about that knife.I bet Cindy didn't forget that knife,I bet Cindy knows exactly what she washed off of it....like blood or glue from the duct tape.

[no rose colored glasses]

I can just hear her babbling this, I wonder if the defense is going with some kind of mental deficincy?

could be a defense tactic.  remember the dude who had color crayons/pencils in the courtroom?    

John Couey, who killed little Jessica Lundsford.

[caribaloo]

My only question... who is Red?   Did he post on this forum or another place?
RED IS THE OWNER of this blog. He has a close relationship with Tim Miller. They were in Aruba together ( along with Dave Holloway and others ) looking in a garbage dump and other places for Natalee Holloway. He made some interesting posts on the search on Friday I believe. I do not have these posts in my back pocket like Klaasend or Janet.
Tim was on NG the other night saying some of the same things about where he searched in that particular area.

Thank you so much for answering my question!!  Thank you Red for this wonderful blog!! 
I will search the previous posts to read his posts.  You don't have to provide them, that would be my job if I am interested (which I am).  Thanks again 

[Western Observr]

I am wondering if the clothing they say was found near the body were the same clothes Caylee had on in the Father's Day video or the outfit George said she was wearing  the next day in the make believe story he told...?? hmmm

great question that I too am wondering >>-->> 

Very soon after the 1st officer arrived on the scene, units were dispatched to the A house to secure it.  This means that whatever was found was immediately known to that officer.  Without checking the video I could not immediately identify the clothing from the Father's Day video.  It is a possibility that it was clothing, but I lean to something more identifiable.  Something with the A's address or maybe a picture. 

Yes or maybe the matching comforter to that pillow they took out of the house.....

I am just hoping they found KC's fingerprints all over that duct tape.
Then the Cindy, George, Lee and all the rest of the  Clampetts can  just SHUT up

[numbersgirl]

I think Casey either dumped her alone, just threw the bag as far as she could OR since she is so lazy left her in the trunk of the car.  Thus, the reason she was always so insistent that she did not know where her daughter (that little girl) was. 

George drove that car home.  If I'm not mistaken Cindy went straight back  to work from the tow yard.  Think about George's actions prior to leaving the tow yard.  He looked into the trunk and thought to himself, I hope I don't find my daughter or Caylee in there.  He checked before he even left.  The smell and the facts surrounding the previous weeks made him actually think that it was possible there was a dead body in the trunk.

Being former LE and a loving father and grandfather how likely is it that he didn't search every inch of that car when he got home.  What if he found Caylee in the wheel well?  In fact, maybe he just found another trash bag all taped up and didn't even look in it.   

I think either scenario is possible.  George always looks like the family cat that ate the pet bird.  Plus that strange request that Casey made asking to see George when she was in jail the first time.

I've been thinking the very same thing! I also think that LE/FBI MUST have found additional prints on the bag or on some evidence, leading to George and Cindy "voluntarily" providing their prints to LE yesterday.

I also read someone else make the point about how odd it is that George would call the police over stolen gas cans but not call the police immediately when his daughters car was found after being abandoned w/ the odor of decompensation (which he recognized as decompensation).

Esp. when he knew Casey stole those gas cans. And that wedge thing that he wanted from Casey's trunk, and what really gets me is the chase scenario he came up with, none of this makes sense.

It's my sincere hope that LE is building a case against GA and CA.  I pray they do to send a clear message about tampering and obstruction.  Look at the time and money that's been devoted to this case!  It's an outrage to the taxpayers of Orange County.  If it's proven this family has interfered with the investigation, I hope they all end up in jail and without any ability to profit from this story.