Natalee Case Discussion #786 12/17/08 - 12/24/08

[Blonde]

[Blonde]

This is an area behind the VDShouse ?

[johan555]

When you see this pics ,you can see that the white wall is disappeared

And is think the white wall is the wall behind Paul on this pic

Thanks blonde for me is important why they removed that white wall

And ............ when

[WhiskeyGirl]

If anyone is a member of a private forum can you tell me why be a part of something private?? I didn't expect anyone to answer 

The Natalee Freebirds is a private forum.  Members compile research encompassing a particular topic related to the Natalee Holloway case into a well organized document and ... then that document is posted for all to read on their own blog.  The Natalee's Freebirds also share each of their documents with the SM site.  Klaas posts the Natalee's Freebirds document in the Corruption and Collusion Thread.

I was once a member but made the decision to leave.  I am not a very good team player.  I have my own ideas.  Something akin to what I shared earlier regarding what my eldest son would say to me when he was in his late teens ... "Mom, it is your way or the highway."

Good Night Keepthefaith.

Janet

+++++++

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=615.0

http://nataleesfreebirds.blogspot.com/

Janet

Thank you Janet.But isn't that defeating the purpose of all Transparency??

I don't think so.  A private research site gives members an opportunity to work together to  create a document by focusing in a one particular topic without any distractions.  The Natalee's Freebirds share the outcome of all their hard work.

I just chose to leave for my own reasons ... it just was not my thing. I like an open forum.

Keepthefaith ... click on the links I provided and ... read some of the Natalee's Freebirds' documents.  I think you will be impressed.

Janet

I agree Janet.  And from the work I've seen, the purpose of the Freebird's site is genuine and good.  I think I would have been honored to have been invited there. 
 

It will take a group effort from everyone to bring the EVIL of the Island to light.Why are people scared to admit that there a part of these private forums?Not that i care.Seems trivial..I do find a concerted effort to discredit Kermit and i,for one,don't know why??

I do not see an attempt to discredit Kermit or anyone.  I see disagreement among posters.

What I see are observations, pictures, speculation, and a lot of unknown missing information and facts.  Those that review these things, ponder them, form many different conclusions.  Different ideas from different points of view.

The only value in discussing the posters is to take the focus off Aruba.  I stand with the girl, and the finger is still pointing at Aruba. 

Doesn't matter to me if anyone agrees with me or not!   

jmho

[wreck]

Whiskeygirl:

I do not see an attempt to discredit Kermit or anyone.  I see disagreement among posters.

What I see are observations, pictures, speculation, and a lot of unknown missing information and facts.  Those that review these things, ponder them, form many different conclusions.  Different ideas from different points of view.

The only value in discussing the posters is to take the focus off Aruba.  I stand with the girl, and the finger is still pointing at Aruba. 

Doesn't matter to me if anyone agrees with me or not!   

jmho

I do. Hotshot outright called a Kermit a fraud. I asked her to confirm that -- she said she in fact did. Hotshot has offered NOTHINg to support her claims. NOTHING.

[WhiskeyGirl]

What exactly is the property of vd Sloot?
The red or blue area?

Blue area only -- the Red area is the next door neighbor's property with "Niko" the monkey's cage in the backyard.

When I look at this picture, I think of all the ways someone could sneak out of the van der sloot compound.  IIRC, there was a gate next to the main living quarters with entry to the pool.  There are windows that face outside the compound.  There are all those roads and paths. 

I remember discussions early on that ALE had someone in front of the VDS house.  What good would that do?  So many ways to escape and drive a car up without being noticed.

Also, so easy to move a body and hide in the bushes of the surrounding properties.  Through the gate, window, or just over the fence.  It doesn't look like there is much lighting.

jmho

[klaasend]

http://www.accesshollywood.com/access-exclusive-former-family-ties-actress-tapped-to-play-natalee-holloways-mom_article_12703

Access Exclusive: ‘Family Ties’ Actress Tapped To Play Natalee Holloway’s Mom:

LAST UPDATED: December 18, 2008 3:08 PM EST
LOS ANGELES, Calif. --
The tragic tale of Natalee Holloway is coming to Lifetime and actress Tracey Pollan has been tapped to play the mother of the teen who vanished during a trip to Aruba, Access Hollywood has confirmed.

Pollan will star as Natalee’s mother, Beth Twitty, in the movie based on Twitty’s book, “Loving Natalee: A Mother’s Testament of Hope and Faith.”

Pollan, who is married to Michael J. Fox, is best known for her stint alongside her husband as his recurring love interest Ellen Reed on the 1980s sitcom “Family Ties.”

She has also had guest spots on “Spin City” and “Law & Order: SVU,” for which she received an Emmy nomination.

Pollan and Fox, who married in 1988, also shared the screen in the 1988 film “Bright Lights, Big City.”

Based on the harrowing true story of Natalee which captured huge national media attention – an Alabama teen who vanished during her senior class trip to Aruba — the film will focus largely on Twitty’s relentless efforts to uncover the truth behind her daughter’s disappearance.

“The Natalee Holloway Story” will air in April 2009 on Lifetime Movie Network. Production is slated to begin in South Africa in January.

Copyright 2008 by NBC Universal, Inc. All rights reserved.
This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed

[Edward]

There is some money

[Miss Scarlet]

I've done better lately at not commenting on all of this, but a few thoughts just won't leave me, so I'm going to put them out there.


1.  People who have nothing to hide, hide nothing.  Any member of any group, private or public, that is at all concerned with who gets the "credit" if this case is ever solved has completely forgotten why they got involved in the first place. 

2.  It seems to me that some posters are "innocently" asking questions in this public forum that they already know the answers to from a private forum.  Whether this is happening in an effort to clear things up further, or to "trap" others with their answers, I do not know.  I do know it's distracting. [See 1.]

3.  Anyone - and I do mean anyone - who is more concerned with cliques, credit, a sense of self-importance, or any issue other than Justice for Natalee and Peace for her Family should take a break from this case for the sake of the Natalee and her family.  Think about it.  It's never been about us.  Attorneys don't need internet groups to do their work for them.  Yes - you might get lucky and help with a piece of information - but does anyone actually believe that JQK does not have the resources to bring to bear on this case what he can/needs to as things progress?  He wouldn't have taken the case and Beth wouldn't have hired him otherwise.

4.  Kermit - Thank you for your service to our country.  I mean it, Thank You.  Thank you for your sacrifice, your dedication, and your hard work throughout the course of your career.  Every president we elect is my president.  Thanks also on behalf of my 12 year old daughter for continuing to break down and hold open the doors for women to advance professionally.  Equality is still elusive, but you've made lasting contributions and that should also be acknowledged.

JMO

GREAT POST!!!  I concur 100%

[Miss Scarlet]

Well it looks like Scared Monkeys has become 'As the Monkeys Turn.'  More days than not these last few weeks it seems as two different Monkeys decide to act like children on the playground.  Five year old children.  Monkeys used to agreeably disagree and move on - not accuse, attack and barb each other for pages on end.  What's happened?  Yes, it can ber entertaining at times, but seriously, there is NO point other than to exhibit to the world your personal degree of insecurity and immaturity.  Please catch yourself and don't bite when someone baits you. 

 

If it means that much for someone else to have the last word, so be it.  The reflection on you for 'letting it go' will be much brighter.

 

On a separate note, where did ******* and Destiny go?  Last I knew ******* was spending time on one of the dutch sites (?) educating them on this case?

Well, I'll go back to lurking.  Always in the rafters even when I'm not logged in.

Carry on.  With civility, please and thank you.

Miss Scarlet

[Poochy]

I will say this re private forums:
people can be duped into joining ... as I was

we were "reruited" from various NH sites

hindsight being 20/20,
I'm pretty sure the sales pitches
were tailored to each individual

mine followed along the lines of
"no idle chit chat/purely research" and
"open forums do the work for defense attys"
(ie: tipping them to everything discovered)

we were encouraged to choose partners
and research certain topics or persons
on an as-needed/as-asked basis

I met finbar there/some members post here now

human nature being what it is:
turns out there was a group-within-the-group
(unknown to most of us, AFAIK)
which summarized everyone's work
and passed it along to factions w/in the H/T families
(while claiming credit for the research)

then the site closed w/ literally a few hours notice
and all of our research poofed ... or so they tell me

live/learn, I guess 

I recall that private site and my 'recruiting' sounded similar, if not word for word to yours Finngirl. In fact we were on that same private forum together but I had a different nic at that time. Just before he took it down we were researching a US politician who flew a plane and had some 'leg' issues! And then poof. Site closed down almost immediately. And from what I recall, wasn't there a private area within that private site!!!!

I gave up private sites for lent    And it felt so good I gave them up permanently!

Yes we were all together and trusted each other untill my pictures got out.
I sent them to Dave's tip line only.
It was Dave's tip line he passed our tips out to a group of posters 
I miss you Finbar
Poochy that was Mr X 

Yup, good ole 'Mr X'. Blonde, what pics got out?

[johan555]

anyone know where this is in Aruba?

[WhiskeyGirl]

Whiskeygirl:

I do not see an attempt to discredit Kermit or anyone.  I see disagreement among posters.

What I see are observations, pictures, speculation, and a lot of unknown missing information and facts.  Those that review these things, ponder them, form many different conclusions.  Different ideas from different points of view.

The only value in discussing the posters is to take the focus off Aruba.  I stand with the girl, and the finger is still pointing at Aruba. 

Doesn't matter to me if anyone agrees with me or not!   

jmho

I do. Hotshot outright called a Kermit a fraud. I asked her to confirm that -- she said she in fact did. Hotshot has offered NOTHINg to support her claims. NOTHING.

My bad, I must have missed that post.

When I look at the sites that many posters are openly associated with, I seem much to corroborate what they post here at ScaredMonkeys.

IIRC, there is a poster associated with "Aruba Dirty Police" at http://arubadirtypolice.blogspot.com/ last post December 14, 2008.  Lots of stuff here, no cage/trap stuff this month.  Why not?

Natalee's Freebirds http://nataleesfreebirds.blogspot.com/ last post September 24, 2008.  No cage/trap research here.  Why not?

Zoltan Zion, IIRC is associated with "Rob" - last post @ http://www.zoltanzion.blogspot.com/  July 16, 2008.   No cage/trap research here, no updates for many months.  Why not?

I think its simply different conclusions by different people.  Different points of view.  No evidence that I am aware of to support any version.  

In the realm of speculation and conclusions, sometimes, I just have to go with what I can verify.  Nothing at the three sites I consider the "go to" places.

Monkeys still rock, just don't always understand the ups and downs...

jmho

[Blonde]

I will say this re private forums:
people can be duped into joining ... as I was

we were "reruited" from various NH sites

hindsight being 20/20,
I'm pretty sure the sales pitches
were tailored to each individual

mine followed along the lines of
"no idle chit chat/purely research" and
"open forums do the work for defense attys"
(ie: tipping them to everything discovered)

we were encouraged to choose partners
and research certain topics or persons
on an as-needed/as-asked basis

I met finbar there/some members post here now

human nature being what it is:
turns out there was a group-within-the-group
(unknown to most of us, AFAIK)
which summarized everyone's work
and passed it along to factions w/in the H/T families
(while claiming credit for the research)

then the site closed w/ literally a few hours notice
and all of our research poofed ... or so they tell me

live/learn, I guess 

I recall that private site and my 'recruiting' sounded similar, if not word for word to yours Finngirl. In fact we were on that same private forum together but I had a different nic at that time. Just before he took it down we were researching a US politician who flew a plane and had some 'leg' issues! And then poof. Site closed down almost immediately. And from what I recall, wasn't there a private area within that private site!!!!

I gave up private sites for lent    And it felt so good I gave them up permanently!

Yes we were all together and trusted each other untill my pictures got out.
I sent them to Dave's tip line only.
It was Dave's tip line he passed our tips out to a group of posters 
I miss you Finbar
Poochy that was Mr X 

Yup, good ole 'Mr X'. Blonde, what pics got out?

I taped the Casino video from TV then took a picture of it, with my Camera.
 We all worked on Palus head all night till 2:00 AM
You can see the light coming through my Mini Blinds.
I sent this to Daves Tip line only. The next day it was everywhere.

[Miss Scarlet]

i think this is their the property

Why do so many of the houses in Aruba look like glorified dog houses?  At least they do from an aerial perspective.  The add-on jobs are terrible too.

 

[Miss Scarlet]

Access Exclusive: Former ‘Family Ties’ Actress Tapped To Play Natalee Holloway’s Mom

LOS ANGELES, Calif. --
The tragic tale of Natalee Holloway is coming to Lifetime and actress Tracey Pollan has been tapped to play the mother of the teen who vanished during a trip to Aruba, Access Hollywood has confirmed.

Pollan will star as Natalee’s mother, Beth Twitty, in the movie based on Twitty’s book, “Loving Natalee: A Mother’s Testament of Hope and Faith.”

(snip)

Based on the harrowing true story of Natalee which captured huge national media attention – an Alabama teen who vanished during her senior class trip to Aruba — the film will focus largely on Twitty’s relentless efforts to uncover the truth behind her daughter’s disappearance.

“The Natalee Holloway Story” will air in April 2009 on Lifetime Movie Network. Production is slated to begin in South Africa in January.

http://www.accesshollywood.com/access-exclusive-former-family-ties-actress-tapped-to-play-natalee-holloways-mom_article_12703

I don't receive the Lifetime channel.

 

[johan555]

I will say this re private forums:
people can be duped into joining ... as I was

we were "reruited" from various NH sites

hindsight being 20/20,
I'm pretty sure the sales pitches
were tailored to each individual

mine followed along the lines of
"no idle chit chat/purely research" and
"open forums do the work for defense attys"
(ie: tipping them to everything discovered)

we were encouraged to choose partners
and research certain topics or persons
on an as-needed/as-asked basis

I met finbar there/some members post here now

human nature being what it is:
turns out there was a group-within-the-group
(unknown to most of us, AFAIK)
which summarized everyone's work
and passed it along to factions w/in the H/T families
(while claiming credit for the research)

then the site closed w/ literally a few hours notice
and all of our research poofed ... or so they tell me

live/learn, I guess 

I recall that private site and my 'recruiting' sounded similar, if not word for word to yours Finngirl. In fact we were on that same private forum together but I had a different nic at that time. Just before he took it down we were researching a US politician who flew a plane and had some 'leg' issues! And then poof. Site closed down almost immediately. And from what I recall, wasn't there a private area within that private site!!!!

I gave up private sites for lent    And it felt so good I gave them up permanently!

Yes we were all together and trusted each other untill my pictures got out.
I sent them to Dave's tip line only.
It was Dave's tip line he passed our tips out to a group of posters 
I miss you Finbar
Poochy that was Mr X 

Yup, good ole 'Mr X'. Blonde, what pics got out?

I taped the Casino video from TV then took a picture of it, with my Camera.
 We all worked on Palus head all night till 2:00 AM
You can see the light coming through my Mini Blinds.
I sent this to Daves Tip line only. The next day it was everywhere.

And Blonde do you think it is Paulas ?  the " judge " ?

[truthseeker2]

Well, there has been so much going on in the cage with all the 'discussions'  about traps and pics and human remains.  And who is posting where and with whom.  At the risk of being totally annihilated on this fourm... I would like to ask if there is anyone left posting in the cage that believes there is a chance that Natalee could still be alive...or, at least left that sorry rock alive?

Please don't trash me for asking. 

[texasmom]

Hay TM 

Hey Johan!  I love the cube!   

[truthseeker2]

I taped the Casino video from TV then took a picture of it, with my Camera.
 We all worked on Palus head all night till 2:00 AM
You can see the light coming through my Mini Blinds.
I sent this to Daves Tip line only. The next day it was everywhere.

I wish we could have seen more footage of that security tape.  The resemblance to that guy and Paulus, from what we can see, is just too much not to want to be sure.  It looks so much like him, and the fact that this guy is seen talking to Natalee just hours before she disappeared would make any real investigator want to have a few words with him.