Natalee Case Discussion #786 12/17/08 - 12/24/08

[johan555]

Well it looks like Scared Monkeys has become 'As the Monkeys Turn.'  More days than not these last few weeks it seems as two different Monkeys decide to act like children on the playground.  Five year old children.  Monkeys used to agreeably disagree and move on - not accuse, attack and barb each other for pages on end.  What's happened?  Yes, it can ber entertaining at times, but seriously, there is NO point other than to exhibit to the world your personal degree of insecurity and immaturity.  Please catch yourself and don't bite when someone baits you. 

 

If it means that much for someone else to have the last word, so be it.  The reflection on you for 'letting it go' will be much brighter.

 

On a separate note, where did ******* and Destiny go?  Last I knew ******* was spending time on one of the dutch sites (?) educating them on this case?

Well, I'll go back to lurking.  Always in the rafters even when I'm not logged in.

Carry on.  With civility, please and thank you.

Miss Scarlet

Last I knew ******* was spending time on one of the dutch sites (?) educating them on this case?

******* is half Dutch now 
we educating Him 
He is often on the dutch Fok forum

[klaasend]

Well it looks like Scared Monkeys has become 'As the Monkeys Turn.'  More days than not these last few weeks it seems as two different Monkeys decide to act like children on the playground.  Five year old children.  Monkeys used to agreeably disagree and move on - not accuse, attack and barb each other for pages on end.  What's happened?  Yes, it can ber entertaining at times, but seriously, there is NO point other than to exhibit to the world your personal degree of insecurity and immaturity.  Please catch yourself and don't bite when someone baits you. 

 

If it means that much for someone else to have the last word, so be it.  The reflection on you for 'letting it go' will be much brighter.

 

On a separate note, where did ******* and Destiny go?  Last I knew ******* was spending time on one of the dutch sites (?) educating them on this case?

Well, I'll go back to lurking.  Always in the rafters even when I'm not logged in.

Carry on.  With civility, please and thank you.

Miss Scarlet

They were both banned.  

Do me a favor, don't come in here and act like you are the boss of anyone here.  You aren't.

[wreck]

Well, there has been so much going on in the cage with all the 'discussions'  about traps and pics and human remains.  And who is posting where and with whom.  At the risk of being totally annihilated on this fourm... I would like to ask if there is anyone left posting in the cage that believes there is a chance that Natalee could still be alive...or, at least left that sorry rock alive?

Please don't trash me for asking. 

Fair question.......................................... but I'm afraid not. IF (a huge IF) she was "sold off" -- she was too big a liability, too well known or recognizable to be kept alive. -JMO

[klaasend]

Destiny and ******* are currently moderators of an invite only forum, ChatnGrumble.  Many current monkeys have been invited.  I know who most of you are, you aren't fooling anyone. 

[johan555]

[klaasend]

Well, there has been so much going on in the cage with all the 'discussions'  about traps and pics and human remains.  And who is posting where and with whom.  At the risk of being totally annihilated on this fourm... I would like to ask if there is anyone left posting in the cage that believes there is a chance that Natalee could still be alive...or, at least left that sorry rock alive?

Please don't trash me for asking. 

Personally I believe she was either murdered by or died in the presence of Joran van der Sloot in the early morning hours of May 30, 2005.

[truthseeker2]

Well, there has been so much going on in the cage with all the 'discussions'  about traps and pics and human remains.  And who is posting where and with whom.  At the risk of being totally annihilated on this fourm... I would like to ask if there is anyone left posting in the cage that believes there is a chance that Natalee could still be alive...or, at least left that sorry rock alive?

Please don't trash me for asking. 

Fair question.......................................... but I'm afraid not. IF (a huge IF) she was "sold off" -- she was too big a liability, too well known or recognizable to be kept alive. -JMO

I suppose you are right, but would it be prudent to follow that possibility, just in case?  I mean, if she was sold off I sure as h3ll would like to know who took her off that island.

[Miss Scarlet]

I will say this re private forums:
people can be duped into joining ... as I was

we were "reruited" from various NH sites

hindsight being 20/20,
I'm pretty sure the sales pitches
were tailored to each individual

mine followed along the lines of
"no idle chit chat/purely research" and
"open forums do the work for defense attys"
(ie: tipping them to everything discovered)

we were encouraged to choose partners
and research certain topics or persons
on an as-needed/as-asked basis

I met finbar there/some members post here now

human nature being what it is:
turns out there was a group-within-the-group
(unknown to most of us, AFAIK)
which summarized everyone's work
and passed it along to factions w/in the H/T families
(while claiming credit for the research)

then the site closed w/ literally a few hours notice
and all of our research poofed ... or so they tell me

live/learn, I guess 

I recall that private site and my 'recruiting' sounded similar, if not word for word to yours Finngirl. In fact we were on that same private forum together but I had a different nic at that time. Just before he took it down we were researching a US politician who flew a plane and had some 'leg' issues! And then poof. Site closed down almost immediately. And from what I recall, wasn't there a private area within that private site!!!!

I gave up private sites for lent    And it felt so good I gave them up permanently!

Yes we were all together and trusted each other untill my pictures got out.
I sent them to Dave's tip line only.
It was Dave's tip line he passed our tips out to a group of posters 
I miss you Finbar
Poochy that was Mr X 

Yup, good ole 'Mr X'. Blonde, what pics got out?

I taped the Casino video from TV then took a picture of it, with my Camera.
 We all worked on Palus head all night till 2:00 AM
You can see the light coming through my Mini Blinds.
I sent this to Daves Tip line only. The next day it was everywhere.

And one thing that is so sad too, is her body language.  She knew the right things to do.  Look at both her hands.  They are both covering so she isn't slipped anything.  And more than likely, that is exactly what happened later in the evening.  She even knew Paulus was scuzzy.  She's recoiling.  Ugh.  Absolutely disgusting.

[truthseeker2]

Well, there has been so much going on in the cage with all the 'discussions'  about traps and pics and human remains.  And who is posting where and with whom.  At the risk of being totally annihilated on this fourm... I would like to ask if there is anyone left posting in the cage that believes there is a chance that Natalee could still be alive...or, at least left that sorry rock alive?

Please don't trash me for asking. 

Personally I believe she was either murdered by or died in the presence of Joran van der Sloot in the early morning hours of May 30, 2005.

I know you do, Klaas.  And it's okay with me if people do think that.  I guess for me, as long as there is no proof, I just don't wnat to give up on her.  Maybe it's a long shot, but I still hope for a good ending to all of this.

[Miss Scarlet]

Well, there has been so much going on in the cage with all the 'discussions'  about traps and pics and human remains.  And who is posting where and with whom.  At the risk of being totally annihilated on this fourm... I would like to ask if there is anyone left posting in the cage that believes there is a chance that Natalee could still be alive...or, at least left that sorry rock alive?

Please don't trash me for asking. 

No, sorry but I do not believe she's still with us.  If there had been only a kidnapping/sex worker intent in the beginning, she became a liability due to the high profile.  Pretty girl too - and smart.  The only good from this so far is that she is with the Saviour.  Oh, and Beth's Smart Travels, or whatever the official name is - I don't recall.

[truthseeker2]

Well, there has been so much going on in the cage with all the 'discussions'  about traps and pics and human remains.  And who is posting where and with whom.  At the risk of being totally annihilated on this fourm... I would like to ask if there is anyone left posting in the cage that believes there is a chance that Natalee could still be alive...or, at least left that sorry rock alive?

Please don't trash me for asking. 

No, sorry but I do not believe she's still with us.  If there had been only a kidnapping/sex worker intent in the beginning, she became a liability due to the high profile.  Pretty girl too - and smart.  The only good from this so far is that she is with the Saviour.  Oh, and Beth's Smart Travels, or whatever the official name is - I don't recall.

In my heart I feel that is true.  But, logically, I still cannot see the proof.  I often look at the same evidence everyone else here sees and feel there is no hope.  Then other times I think...there's just no solid proof yet, so why give up?

Either way, I keep her in my prayers.

[Rob]

Destiny and ******* are currently moderators of an invite only forum, ChatnGrumble.  Many current monkeys have been invited.  I know who most of you are, you aren't fooling anyone. 

it sounds like it's apply named 

[truthseeker2]

Uh Oh.  Did I shut the thread down?

[Rob]

Well, there has been so much going on in the cage with all the 'discussions'  about traps and pics and human remains.  And who is posting where and with whom.  At the risk of being totally annihilated on this fourm... I would like to ask if there is anyone left posting in the cage that believes there is a chance that Natalee could still be alive...or, at least left that sorry rock alive?

Please don't trash me for asking. 

Personally I believe she was either murdered by or died in the presence of Joran van der Sloot in the early morning hours of May 30, 2005.

I concur. Too much says she never left that rock alive. If anyone knew she was - they would have been looking fer her themselves, not watching their country turn into a 5th world hovel.

[WhiskeyGirl]

I taped the Casino video from TV then took a picture of it, with my Camera.
 We all worked on Palus head all night till 2:00 AM
You can see the light coming through my Mini Blinds.
I sent this to Daves Tip line only. The next day it was everywhere.

I wish we could have seen more footage of that security tape.  The resemblance to that guy and Paulus, from what we can see, is just too much not to want to be sure.  It looks so much like him, and the fact that this guy is seen talking to Natalee just hours before she disappeared would make any real investigator want to have a few words with him.

Are there any pictures of PVDS and JVDS together that night?  Any video of PVDS and others?  From an historical perspective, it would be interesting to know who else of the widening circle of family and friends was at the casino that night, the night before, and the night after. 

From the video of JVDS and PVDS together, what WAS PVDS wearing that night?  IIRC, JVDS claimed dad had memory problems and wouldn't remember what he wore the night before.  What did good old DAD have on the night Natalee went missing?  It seems odd that JVDS would even make a comment like that.  "I can't remember."

How many witnesses/suspects would people be able to identify in those videos from the casino?  Same question for C&C?  How many interesting people were there that night?

IIRC, Monkeys and others also compared the arm and gold watch of this person at the table with Natalee to PVDS.

JMHO

[Blonde]

Destiny and ******* are currently moderators of an invite only forum, ChatnGrumble.  Many current monkeys have been invited.  I know who most of you are, you aren't fooling anyone. 

You know Monkeys Administrators know everything, and if by chance they miss something while there're sleeping someone emails them all kinds of info, to give then the heads up.
I know this for a fact. I have been an Admin on four Natalee sites.

[wreck]

I taped the Casino video from TV then took a picture of it, with my Camera.
 We all worked on Palus head all night till 2:00 AM
You can see the light coming through my Mini Blinds.
I sent this to Daves Tip line only. The next day it was everywhere.

I wish we could have seen more footage of that security tape.  The resemblance to that guy and Paulus, from what we can see, is just too much not to want to be sure.  It looks so much like him, and the fact that this guy is seen talking to Natalee just hours before she disappeared would make any real investigator want to have a few words with him.

Are there any pictures of PVDS and JVDS together that night?  Any video of PVDS and others?  From an historical perspective, it would be interesting to know who else of the widening circle of family and friends was at the casino that night, the night before, and the night after. 

From the video of JVDS and PVDS together, what WAS PVDS wearing that night?  IIRC, JVDS claimed dad had memory problems and wouldn't remember what he wore the night before.  What did good old DAD have on the night Natalee went missing?  It seems odd that JVDS would even make a comment like that.  "I can't remember."

How many witnesses/suspects would people be able to identify in those videos from the casino?  Same question for C&C?  How many interesting people were there that night?

IIRC, Monkeys and others also compared the arm and gold watch of this person at the table with Natalee to PVDS.

JMHO

Posner owned the casino and thus the casino video tapes. He was reportedly LIVID when ABC got a hold of the screen caps above.

[johan555]

I taped the Casino video from TV then took a picture of it, with my Camera.
 We all worked on Palus head all night till 2:00 AM
You can see the light coming through my Mini Blinds.
I sent this to Daves Tip line only. The next day it was everywhere.

I wish we could have seen more footage of that security tape.  The resemblance to that guy and Paulus, from what we can see, is just too much not to want to be sure.  It looks so much like him, and the fact that this guy is seen talking to Natalee just hours before she disappeared would make any real investigator want to have a few words with him.

Are there any pictures of PVDS and JVDS together that night?  Any video of PVDS and others?  From an historical perspective, it would be interesting to know who else of the widening circle of family and friends was at the casino that night, the night before, and the night after. 

From the video of JVDS and PVDS together, what WAS PVDS wearing that night?  IIRC, JVDS claimed dad had memory problems and wouldn't remember what he wore the night before.  What did good old DAD have on the night Natalee went missing?  It seems odd that JVDS would even make a comment like that.  "I can't remember."

How many witnesses/suspects would people be able to identify in those videos from the casino?  Same question for C&C?  How many interesting people were there that night?

IIRC, Monkeys and others also compared the arm and gold watch of this person at the table with Natalee to PVDS.

JMHO

There were also other girls in the casino at that table .
Can't  they say who "that man" was?

[WhiskeyGirl]

Well, there has been so much going on in the cage with all the 'discussions'  about traps and pics and human remains.  And who is posting where and with whom.  At the risk of being totally annihilated on this fourm... I would like to ask if there is anyone left posting in the cage that believes there is a chance that Natalee could still be alive...or, at least left that sorry rock alive?

Please don't trash me for asking. 

I think there are a lot of possibilities.  One that comes to mind was that she was in a coma or unconscious for some time.  Someone could have called 911 for help.  She may have been at the Sloot compound, neighbors, or elsewhere.  Perhaps she came to at some point in time, and was battered about the head, resulting in her death much sooner than from alcohol/drug poisoning or overdose.

Someone could have called for help.  Only thing someone admitted to calling was a boat.  Why someone wouldn't call 911, I have no idea.

jmho

[Blue Moon]

Well, there has been so much going on in the cage with all the 'discussions'  about traps and pics and human remains.  And who is posting where and with whom.  At the risk of being totally annihilated on this fourm... I would like to ask if there is anyone left posting in the cage that believes there is a chance that Natalee could still be alive...or, at least left that sorry rock alive?

Please don't trash me for asking. 

I personally feel she was in that cage.  It is the only thing we have seen as solid evidence.  Everything else was destroyed and this may well have been also.  MO