Natalee Case Discussion #786 12/17/08 - 12/24/08

[Rob]

I'm an Victim's Rights Advocate. I try to help those that have no voice. Just as you all do. If I told you the SN's of some on the monkey board that victims themselves - your head would spin. Like Linda Blair's We all have our burdens to carry. When people like the crew of the Persistence can't even be trusted to do the right thing - we're all in trouble.

I'm thankful Kermit has the ovaries and mental fortitude to do the right thing, or we would never know. That takes class. REAL CLASS.

How do you Define “Ethical Leadership”?

“doing the right thing even when no one is watching,” 

hi Rob....I have to laugh every time some writes ovaries instead of balls!   BYW - good to see you..I gther something wonderful has happened in your life and I am happy for you!

Hey Snoopy.....see ya Monday!! Talk to you before that!

Hi Sunny, and thanks fer all the wonderful thoughts - they are soo appreciated by me. Yes, something wonderful DID happen and it's about to get even better. Thanks you soo much for the loving and caring wishes - happy holidays to you and your family. You're never far from my thoughts!

[truthseeker2]

I just cannot imagine that trap was being used for the last 3+ years as a drug post office with a body laying right there.  Either it was a post office or it was a temporary resting place for some poor soul.  I just can't see it being both.

[SS]

We are all really frustrated right now by the events that have transpired.  Please, please let's not turn on each other right now.  We all have the same goal.

[SS]

I've missed you Rob.

[Rob]

I've missed you Rob.

SS, I've missed you too... and I'm never far away. You are all like my family. I think about everyone all the time.

[truthseeker2]

We are all really frustrated right now by the events that have transpired.  Please, please let's not turn on each other right now.  We all have the same goal.

 

[Tamikosmom]

We are all really frustrated right now by the events that have transpired.  Please, please let's not turn on each other right now.  We all have the same goal.

 

 

[Keepthefaith]

We are all really frustrated right now by the events that have transpired.  Please, please let's not turn on each other right now.  We all have the same goal.

I agree SS.We all must understand as well that everybody's idealogy is not the same.That is the uniqueness of this Forum!You can't consider that as another poster said "He said,she said!"The problem i have continues to be the same.If people want to discuss stuff why not put it right here on the table??From my understanding former Monkeys have left and formed private sites which in my opinion is childish.JMOO.You don't like,or aren't hearing what you want so you leave,are smarter,more organized so you form an alliance like Reality TV.Scared Monkey's is about Transparency.For that i will always be thankful to the Forum,as well as the Mod's that do an absolutely fabulous job in a difficult position!We're all human and think diffirently.It'd be pretty boring if we thought alike.

[truthseeker2]

We are all really frustrated right now by the events that have transpired.  Please, please let's not turn on each other right now.  We all have the same goal.

 

 

LOL.  I was summarizing!   

[Tamikosmom]

We are all really frustrated right now by the events that have transpired.  Please, please let's not turn on each other right now.  We all have the same goal.

 

 

LOL.  I was summarizing!   

Me too!!!

 

[truthseeker2]

We are all really frustrated right now by the events that have transpired.  Please, please let's not turn on each other right now.  We all have the same goal.

 

 

LOL.  I was summarizing!   

Me too!!!

 

       

[San]

Always1

Yes Natalee is a real person and the only reason I am here as Admin of SM is because I made a promise to do my best to find justice for HER.  I agreed to help Red with the site October 2005 after there was a problem with some of the Admin's and Mod's at the time.  Same kind of problems we had with some that have been banned from SM and have started an invite only site.

So please, no lectures.

I for one thank you for making that promise.  We would not be here because of that promise.

Thank you Klaasend for all your time and effort.  It is hard work and I don't know how you do it day in and day out.

[Tamikosmom]

We are all really frustrated right now by the events that have transpired.  Please, please let's not turn on each other right now.  We all have the same goal.

I agree SS.We all must understand as well that everybody's idealogy is not the same.That is the uniqueness of this Forum!You can't consider that as another poster said "He said,she said!"The problem i have continues to be the same.If people want to discuss stuff why not put it right here on the table??From my understanding former Monkeys have left and formed private sites which in my opinion is childish.JMOO.You don't like,or aren't hearing what you want so you leave,are smarter,more organized so you form an alliance like Reality TV.Scared Monkey's is about Transparency.For that i will always be thankful to the Forum,as well as the Mod's that do an absolutely fabulous job in a difficult position!We're all human and think diffirently.It'd be pretty boring if we thought alike.

I don't think so.  I was often told by my eldest son when he was in his late teens ... "Mom ... it is either your way or the highway."  He was right on!

 

Janet

[truthseeker2]

Always1

Yes Natalee is a real person and the only reason I am here as Admin of SM is because I made a promise to do my best to find justice for HER.  I agreed to help Red with the site October 2005 after there was a problem with some of the Admin's and Mod's at the time.  Same kind of problems we had with some that have been banned from SM and have started an invite only site.

So please, no lectures.

I for one thank you for making that promise.  We would not be here because of that promise.

Thank you Klaasend for all your time and effort.  It is hard work and I don't know how you do it day in and day out.

Klaas is the best zoo geeper EVER!!   

[Keepthefaith]

We are all really frustrated right now by the events that have transpired.  Please, please let's not turn on each other right now.  We all have the same goal.

I agree SS.We all must understand as well that everybody's idealogy is not the same.That is the uniqueness of this Forum!You can't consider that as another poster said "He said,she said!"The problem i have continues to be the same.If people want to discuss stuff why not put it right here on the table??From my understanding former Monkeys have left and formed private sites which in my opinion is childish.JMOO.You don't like,or aren't hearing what you want so you leave,are smarter,more organized so you form an alliance like Reality TV.Scared Monkey's is about Transparency.For that i will always be thankful to the Forum,as well as the Mod's that do an absolutely fabulous job in a difficult position!We're all human and think diffirently.It'd be pretty boring if we thought alike.

I don't think so.  I was often told by my eldest son when he was in his late teens ... "Mom ... it is either your way or the highway."  He was right on!

 

Janet

  Janet is like a fine wine.Get's better with age!

[Edward]

We have been inundated with Propaganda designed to take you away from.
Stay out of that "attack" each other mode, as it means to the enemy they are winning.
The cage is the only item with physical photographic evidence that says something and we own it.
Other then that none of these theories is even close to mine, I still read and try to comprehend all others and Joran is missing and the Thia Government is no place, as there appears to be no intended victims and the Dutch government continues to offer passive resistance and there political mumbo jumbo stories fly.
All and All that trap may have been it. On the other side of that coin, ALE has all the evidence in there possession and it is prolly destroyed by now if that is so.
Do not forget one thing EVERYTHING has been done by design by a crooked government and individuals to keep us away from the real truth.
Hang in there friends.. After the new year they will try to let us down again..
If so..  No Mas Aruba !! Do not support DUTCH anything if that happens.. Do not buy Shell gasoline stay off there ships, research everything you purchase to make sure it ain't Dutch..
We want the truth.. We will except nothing less.

Make them pay the price for their dishonesty.

Anyways that is what I think..
Go back to sleep..  

[texasmom]

12/17/2008 Bondia

http://www.bondia.com/index.php?option=com_flippingbook&book_id=2

[Keepthefaith]

12/17/2008 Bondia

http://www.bondia.com/index.php?option=com_flippingbook&book_id=2

So is Paulus involved as a legal representative in the Luis Mansur case??What does this article say??Janet?

[Buckeye]

OE comments regarding the post office:

We've internally discussed the possibility of a "post office" of sorts while awaiting forensic testing results.
The problems with this theory include:
-little or no evident anchor scars from a boat or boats at or anywhere near the site which would support diving ops.
-The trap shows no apparent evidence of human tampering one would expect from in situ placement and removal of objects inside the trap. The sand inside the trap shows no disruption.  The soft growth on the trap shows no obvious scars, where something scrapes or slides on the trap during a placement or withdrawal.

The potential issues of a Venezuelan fishing vessel passing through:
- The location of the trap is significantly out of the way for passing through vessels.
- The location of the trap is not in an area where fishermen fish with commercial traps.
- There are no significant near by seabed obstructions which the trap would have gotten hung-up on to explain it's loss.
- The trap is only in 90ft of water, which makes it easily recoverable by divers if accidentally lost.
Other notes:
- The location is in the lee of the island, which makes the location somewhat weather protected and therefore less likely to have been lost during a storm.
- The trap appears to be in it's original location, as evident by an impact depression in the seabed clearly seen in the sonar.
-It appears the trap hit the bottom very hard as in a free fall.  One corner hit just before the others and the trap seemingly "bounced" a few feet and remained in its current position and orientation.  

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2705.msg366270#msg366270

[Keepthefaith]

OE comments regarding the post office:

We've internally discussed the possibility of a "post office" of sorts while awaiting forensic testing results.
The problems with this theory include:
-little or no evident anchor scars from a boat or boats at or anywhere near the site which would support diving ops.
-The trap shows no apparent evidence of human tampering one would expect from in situ placement and removal of objects inside the trap. The sand inside the trap shows no disruption.  The soft growth on the trap shows no obvious scars, where something scrapes or slides on the trap during a placement or withdrawal.

The potential issues of a Venezuelan fishing vessel passing through:
- The location of the trap is significantly out of the way for passing through vessels.
- The location of the trap is not in an area where fishermen fish with commercial traps.
- There are no significant near by seabed obstructions which the trap would have gotten hung-up on to explain it's loss.
- The trap is only in 90ft of water, which makes it easily recoverable by divers if accidentally lost.
Other notes:
- The location is in the lee of the island, which makes the location somewhat weather protected and therefore less likely to have been lost during a storm.
- The trap appears to be in it's original location, as evident by an impact depression in the seabed clearly seen in the sonar.
-It appears the trap hit the bottom very hard as in a free fall.  One corner hit just before the others and the trap seemingly "bounced" a few feet and remained in its current position and orientation.  

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2705.msg366270#msg366270

So.What i gather is from Kyle's(OE) observations is that it was dropped in the water and nothing was disturbed inside the cage.Meaning "No Post Office".Correct me if i'm wrong!!