Natalee Case Discussion #786 12/17/08 - 12/24/08

[wreck]

Goodnight everyone!   

Night all - as well! 

[Keepthefaith]

Why would Posner do Paulus such a favor as not allowing those videotapes to be reviewed?All those Hotels and Casino's should have a plethora of video footage..

Paulass is a$$ deep in money laundering and fixing government contracts that allow posner to operate businesses in aruba.....
Follow the money...

So we assume Paulus is the "Laundry Man"?Where did Paulus learn his trade?Gotta start his internship somewhere! "If" Paulus,and or his good buddies are Posner's business partner..Be curious to who these Hotel owners business partners are "If" there not Aruban citizens??

[Keepthefaith]

Goodnight everyone!   

Night all - as well! 

Goodnight Wreck.Say hello to Clay.

[texasmom]

JUSTICE FOR NATALEE!!!!

[wreck]

Can I say one more thing? I know our numbers are dwindling here -- this is very frustrating for everyone.  For the ones left here who haven't fled for other forums, I would sure like a word of wisdom from Red. Are we on the right path? You have been VERY quiet - I hope it is because you know things you can't discuss. If we are totally off base here -- please say so. It has been 3 - going on 4 years -- I feel like we are spinning our wheels. You know something? I'm a 50 year-old male who has NEVER got involved with something like this. I don't know why I was brought here ( and can't believe I'm STILL here ) but it is an obsession. It is totallly out of my character to be at this type forum. Anybody I have confided to that I follow this case think I'm nuts. I've been snapping at people here lately, and I don't like it. Please throw us a bone!!

[billb's daughter]

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My question:
Secretary Rice met with the mother (Beth Holloway Twitty) of Natalee Holloway WRT her daughter's disappearance May 30th, 2005. Secretary Rice, after hearing Beth's account of the lack of investigation by the Aruban authorities, directed that the FBI take a closer look into the events surrounding her daughter's disappearance. Can you please provide an update of the actions our State Department, Secretary Rice, and the FBI have taken to ensure there is/will be Justice for Natalee Holloway, a US citizen?
Thank you.

[billb's daughter]

Why would Posner do Paulus such a favor as not allowing those videotapes to be reviewed?All those Hotels and Casino's should have a plethora of video footage..

Paulass is a$$ deep in money laundering and fixing government contracts that allow posner to operate businesses in aruba.....
Follow the money...

So we assume Paulus is the "Laundry Man"?Where did Paulus learn his trade?Gotta start his internship somewhere! "If" Paulus,and or his good buddies are Posner's business partner..Be curious to who these Hotel owners business partners are "If" there not Aruban citizens??

Keepthefaith....
I forgot to add: MHOO...

[klaasend]

Can I say one more thing? I know our numbers are dwindling here -- this is very frustrating for everyone.  For the ones left here who haven't fled for other forums, I would sure like a word of wisdom from Red. Are we on the right path? You have been VERY quiet - I hope it is because you know things you can't discuss. If we are totally off base here -- please say so. It has been 3 - going on 4 years -- I feel like we are spinning our wheels. You know something? I'm a 50 year-old male who has NEVER got involved with something like this. I don't know why I was brought here ( and can't believe I'm STILL here ) but it is an obsession. It is totallly out of my character to be at this type forum. Anybody I have confided to that I follow this case think I'm nuts. I've been snapping at people here lately, and I don't like it. Please throw us a bone!!

Wreck - I know Red isn't online right now.  I took the liberty of emailing him the link to your post and let him know you directed a question his way.  Hopefully he'll respond here in the forum after he reads your questions.

[wreck]

Can I say one more thing? I know our numbers are dwindling here -- this is very frustrating for everyone.  For the ones left here who haven't fled for other forums, I would sure like a word of wisdom from Red. Are we on the right path? You have been VERY quiet - I hope it is because you know things you can't discuss. If we are totally off base here -- please say so. It has been 3 - going on 4 years -- I feel like we are spinning our wheels. You know something? I'm a 50 year-old male who has NEVER got involved with something like this. I don't know why I was brought here ( and can't believe I'm STILL here ) but it is an obsession. It is totallly out of my character to be at this type forum. Anybody I have confided to that I follow this case think I'm nuts. I've been snapping at people here lately, and I don't like it. Please throw us a bone!!

Wreck - I know Red isn't online right now.  I took the liberty of emailing him the link to your post and let him know you directed a question his way.  Hopefully he'll respond here in the forum after he reads your questions.

Thank-you, Klaas!

[finngirl]

What exactly is the property of vd Sloot?
The red or blue area?

Blue area only -- the Red area is the next door neighbor's property with "Niko" the monkey's cage in the backyard.

When I look at this picture, I think of all the ways someone could sneak out of the van der sloot compound.  IIRC, there was a gate next to the main living quarters with entry to the pool.  There are windows that face outside the compound.  There are all those roads and paths. 

I remember discussions early on that ALE had someone in front of the VDS house.  What good would that do?  So many ways to escape and drive a car up without being noticed.

Also, so easy to move a body and hide in the bushes of the surrounding properties.  Through the gate, window, or just over the fence.  It doesn't look like there is much lighting.

jmho

if that pic was wider (toward the right?)
I think we would see Freddy's then-residence

the condo/townhouse: 37 F or 39 F ...
which AG looked for but couldn't find
on the friday night Freddy was arrested

[billb's daughter]

Can I say one more thing? I know our numbers are dwindling here -- this is very frustrating for everyone.  For the ones left here who haven't fled for other forums, I would sure like a word of wisdom from Red. Are we on the right path? You have been VERY quiet - I hope it is because you know things you can't discuss. If we are totally off base here -- please say so. It has been 3 - going on 4 years -- I feel like we are spinning our wheels. You know something? I'm a 50 year-old male who has NEVER got involved with something like this. I don't know why I was brought here ( and can't believe I'm STILL here ) but it is an obsession. It is totallly out of my character to be at this type forum. Anybody I have confided to that I follow this case think I'm nuts. I've been snapping at people here lately, and I don't like it. Please throw us a bone!!

Wreck....I have never been on any blog before Natalee Holloway....but was fortunately lucky enough to find SM early on.....What attracted me to this case? I'm not sure....but I am a 59 yr old male (Not to be confused with a 99 yr old ROBOT )  I have three teenage daughters, the oldest (18 in 2005) of which campaigned hard with my dear wife and me to go to Aruba with a friend on spring break (Mar 2005). We said no at the time.
[didn't think it was a smart idea to let her go--I'm an old navy submarine sailor and the thought of my daughter being on any island w/o her parents was a no-no-knowing what every (ok most) young men try to do with any young girl}.
That said, when I heard of a missing American teenage daughter missing in Aruba in June of 2005, I was hooked on this case and have wanted Justice for Natalee and prosecution of the perps/and those that have covered up, ever since...
This case opened my eyes to the real possibilities that harm may come to those we love in the seemly most safe places! My wife and I could have just as easily said yes to my daughter if she had been traveling to Aruba with her classmates and trusted chaperons...my heart and prays go out to Natalee's family always...
I truly believe this time that Beth/Dave/JQK have a plan in place to demand Justice for Natalee. The silence from most of our trusted agents only encourages me more to that end. That is why I lurk every day (twice on Sundays ) to follow the latest news.....

[memphis]

me again....

I'm so confused.

In the Search thread on Dec 04 at 11:20 am, Blonde has this posted from Kermit.

private eye beth's brother  March 20, 2008
Kyle I specifically mentioned the blue denim and the fact that would be the material of which the skirt was made,

Kyle- I emailed Beth your concerns and have suggested to her that she contact the appropriate people on the Persistence, including yourself, and attempt to reconcile as best they can the material the crew saw recovered from the cage versus what they received. I specifically mentioned the blue denim and the fact that would be the material of which the skirt was made, and reminded her that the press release said that the material did not match her blouse. I also pointed out that in the December 30 photo there appeared to be a skull and in the January 7, it did not look at all like a skull. But I did think I noticed a second object in one of the zip lock bags that could possibly be the object that resembled a skull, possibly. I am a little amazed that the denim looks remarkably NOT deteriorated. Mostly I was trying to pique her interest to get her to contact the appropriate people. I think Dave worked closely with the owner of the boat, so he may well have already done this. But I know Beth appreciates the heads up, as do I. You are a good man. I did tell her my main concern was that you were concerned, and that I respect and trust your judgment enough for her to investigate this. Thanks.

PI is seeing a picture with an object in a zip lock bag? Huh? I thought the picture with the bags was not seen by anyone until now.

Please, someone fill me in if I'm mistaken.

[memphis]

Well, goodnight everyone.

I for one hope that Kermit is mistaken.

Goodnight, Memphis.  It was good to have you back in the cage!

Obviously, I can't stay away tonight.
Thanks for the friendly shout out truthseeker2. It's always nice when you're not ignored by everyone. 

[billb's daughter]

Well, goodnight everyone.

I for one hope that Kermit is mistaken.

Goodnight, Memphis.  It was good to have you back in the cage!

Obviously, I can't stay away tonight.
Thanks for the friendly shout out truthseeker2. It's always nice when you're not ignored by everyone. 

Memphis...I don't know you, but I know your posts from lurking in the past....Sleep well...tomorrow is another day that will bring us all closer to Justice for Natalee! 

[snoopy]

You are never ignored memphis.  I'm jsut really multi-tasking.  It's good to see you.

[Keepthefaith]

me again....

I'm so confused.

In the Search thread on Dec 04 at 11:20 am, Blonde has this posted from Kermit.

private eye beth's brother  March 20, 2008
Kyle I specifically mentioned the blue denim and the fact that would be the material of which the skirt was made,

Kyle- I emailed Beth your concerns and have suggested to her that she contact the appropriate people on the Persistence, including yourself, and attempt to reconcile as best they can the material the crew saw recovered from the cage versus what they received. I specifically mentioned the blue denim and the fact that would be the material of which the skirt was made, and reminded her that the press release said that the material did not match her blouse. I also pointed out that in the December 30 photo there appeared to be a skull and in the January 7, it did not look at all like a skull. But I did think I noticed a second object in one of the zip lock bags that could possibly be the object that resembled a skull, possibly. I am a little amazed that the denim looks remarkably NOT deteriorated. Mostly I was trying to pique her interest to get her to contact the appropriate people. I think Dave worked closely with the owner of the boat, so he may well have already done this. But I know Beth appreciates the heads up, as do I. You are a good man. I did tell her my main concern was that you were concerned, and that I respect and trust your judgment enough for her to investigate this. Thanks.

PI is seeing a picture with an object in a zip lock bag? Huh? I thought the picture with the bags was not seen by anyone until now.

Please, someone fill me in if I'm mistaken.

So you believe Kyle turned the photographs over in a timely fashion?Is that safe to say Memphis?

[billb's daughter]

me again....

I'm so confused.

In the Search thread on Dec 04 at 11:20 am, Blonde has this posted from Kermit.

private eye beth's brother  March 20, 2008
Kyle I specifically mentioned the blue denim and the fact that would be the material of which the skirt was made,

Kyle- I emailed Beth your concerns and have suggested to her that she contact the appropriate people on the Persistence, including yourself, and attempt to reconcile as best they can the material the crew saw recovered from the cage versus what they received. I specifically mentioned the blue denim and the fact that would be the material of which the skirt was made, and reminded her that the press release said that the material did not match her blouse. I also pointed out that in the December 30 photo there appeared to be a skull and in the January 7, it did not look at all like a skull. But I did think I noticed a second object in one of the zip lock bags that could possibly be the object that resembled a skull, possibly. I am a little amazed that the denim looks remarkably NOT deteriorated. Mostly I was trying to pique her interest to get her to contact the appropriate people. I think Dave worked closely with the owner of the boat, so he may well have already done this. But I know Beth appreciates the heads up, as do I. You are a good man. I did tell her my main concern was that you were concerned, and that I respect and trust your judgment enough for her to investigate this. Thanks.

PI is seeing a picture with an object in a zip lock bag? Huh? I thought the picture with the bags was not seen by anyone until now.

Please, someone fill me in if I'm mistaken.

So you believe Kyle turned the photographs over in a timely fashion?Is that safe to say Memphis?

Last I heard/understood...Kyle NEVER turned over the pics...that is the issue Kermit brought forward....

[Keepthefaith]

me again....

I'm so confused.

In the Search thread on Dec 04 at 11:20 am, Blonde has this posted from Kermit.

private eye beth's brother  March 20, 2008
Kyle I specifically mentioned the blue denim and the fact that would be the material of which the skirt was made,

Kyle- I emailed Beth your concerns and have suggested to her that she contact the appropriate people on the Persistence, including yourself, and attempt to reconcile as best they can the material the crew saw recovered from the cage versus what they received. I specifically mentioned the blue denim and the fact that would be the material of which the skirt was made, and reminded her that the press release said that the material did not match her blouse. I also pointed out that in the December 30 photo there appeared to be a skull and in the January 7, it did not look at all like a skull. But I did think I noticed a second object in one of the zip lock bags that could possibly be the object that resembled a skull, possibly. I am a little amazed that the denim looks remarkably NOT deteriorated. Mostly I was trying to pique her interest to get her to contact the appropriate people. I think Dave worked closely with the owner of the boat, so he may well have already done this. But I know Beth appreciates the heads up, as do I. You are a good man. I did tell her my main concern was that you were concerned, and that I respect and trust your judgment enough for her to investigate this. Thanks.

PI is seeing a picture with an object in a zip lock bag? Huh? I thought the picture with the bags was not seen by anyone until now.

Please, someone fill me in if I'm mistaken.

So you believe Kyle turned the photographs over in a timely fashion?Is that safe to say Memphis?

Last I heard/understood...Kyle NEVER turned over the pics...that is the issue Kermit brought forward....

Was just trying to understand what Memphis was implying?Billb?Your thoughts

[billb's daughter]

me again....

I'm so confused.

In the Search thread on Dec 04 at 11:20 am, Blonde has this posted from Kermit.

private eye beth's brother  March 20, 2008
Kyle I specifically mentioned the blue denim and the fact that would be the material of which the skirt was made,

Kyle- I emailed Beth your concerns and have suggested to her that she contact the appropriate people on the Persistence, including yourself, and attempt to reconcile as best they can the material the crew saw recovered from the cage versus what they received. I specifically mentioned the blue denim and the fact that would be the material of which the skirt was made, and reminded her that the press release said that the material did not match her blouse. I also pointed out that in the December 30 photo there appeared to be a skull and in the January 7, it did not look at all like a skull. But I did think I noticed a second object in one of the zip lock bags that could possibly be the object that resembled a skull, possibly. I am a little amazed that the denim looks remarkably NOT deteriorated. Mostly I was trying to pique her interest to get her to contact the appropriate people. I think Dave worked closely with the owner of the boat, so he may well have already done this. But I know Beth appreciates the heads up, as do I. You are a good man. I did tell her my main concern was that you were concerned, and that I respect and trust your judgment enough for her to investigate this. Thanks.

PI is seeing a picture with an object in a zip lock bag? Huh? I thought the picture with the bags was not seen by anyone until now.

Please, someone fill me in if I'm mistaken.

So you believe Kyle turned the photographs over in a timely fashion?Is that safe to say Memphis?

Last I heard/understood...Kyle NEVER turned over the pics...that is the issue Kermit brought forward....

Was just trying to understand what Memphis was implying?Billb?Your thoughts

Keepthefaith,
Memphis opened her post with: I'm so confused.
WRT to the meaning of her post, I'm confused too. Giving her the benefit of doubt, maybe she is asking questions based on her catching up reading? I read most if not all of what she says she has been reading up on, and my conclusions differ from what her conclusions seem to be, based on her questions. Memphis, I know your are reading my reply, so I don't want you to take my comments as derogatory.
Please clarify want you are implying.
Thanks, billb

[San]

Well, goodnight everyone.

I for one hope that Kermit is mistaken.

Goodnight, Memphis.  It was good to have you back in the cage!

Obviously, I can't stay away tonight.
Thanks for the friendly shout out truthseeker2. It's always nice when you're not ignored by everyone. 

You are never ignorned Memphis.  I saw you post earlier and was going to say hello then I decided not to post and bother you.

Everyone has such great thoughts, questions and contribute so much to the conversation that I just chose to read rather than replying.