Natalee Case Discussion #786 12/17/08 - 12/24/08

[wreck]

Wreck and what is  the "Dateline" special?
To make pics with a normal video camera or photocamera ?

"Dateline" is an American news documentary show that was ON the Persistence and documented the Persistence's serach. Have you not followed any of this? I can answer 1 question at a time, but you really need to get up to speed.

I have followed it yes but i can't read everything .
For me is important if there are any pics in high resolution .
In my opinion you can't sell low res pics to a tv station or magazine

I put all info here Pictures ROV links to Dateline

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4145.0

Silly me! Thank-you, Blonde!

[johan555]

Wreck  said : I believe we have only seen photos taken by the ROV.

But i think the photos we have seen are not acoustic images ,but they took them with a video camera ( stills )

[MumInOhio]

Quote Memphis

am just grabbling at the moment and haven't come to any conclusions, except that I believe that Natalee's remains were in that crab trap. I'm trying to think critically, but it's difficult when you only have bits and pieces.

The only two options I see at this moment are,
1. that Kermit is on the money, or
2. that Kermit came to a premature and incorrect conclusion

I am hoping that just maybe the crew outsmarted Aruba this time and sampled the cage themselves prior to ALE. The secrecy involved might have caused Kermit to come to the wrong conclusion. Does that make sense? Do I need to further elaborate?

I'm not attacking or saying anything negative against Kermit, Kyle or anyone. I will admit that I am hoping that senario #2 above is the correct one, but I have not come to any conclusions at this point.

Regarding the quote I posted, I understood that the picture with the "zip lock" bags holding evidence were not given to any in Natalee's family or the FBI. However, PI is commenting on them, so obviously he has seen some picture with the collected remains in the bags. Yes, I am pointing out that maybe Kermit was incorrect. I'm not trying to discredit Kermit, just hoping she/he is wrong.

Nice to see you...Thanks for your posts last night...

There was a post of Hostshot's a little while back where she was asked if it was possible for both Kermit and another poster to be both right. She said "Yes". Sorry, I don't recall who the other poster was in the discussions.Maybe you could search Hotshot's posts for those discussions.

Kermie...Is at all possible that you have followed the wrong path on this? Is there any room for misintepretation...

The reason I ask...Yourself and some who have argued the other side of this have always been very respected posters here.We have posters strongly expressing that you are correct, when just a few months ago they were on the opposite side of the fence regarding Kyle and Caps and were strongly defending their positions at that time as well. They were sure they were right then...They are sure they are right now!

Thanks in Advance...

Good Morning!

[2NJSons_Mom]

Wreck  said : I believe we have only seen photos taken by the ROV.

But i think the photos we have seen are not acoustic images ,but they took them with a video camera ( stills )

I think you may be correct.  Some of the photos were taken from the Dateline video, iirc.  Blonde may know for sure. 

[wreck]

Wreck  said : I believe we have only seen photos taken by the ROV.

But i think the photos we have seen are not acoustic images ,but they took them with a video camera ( stills )

I think you may be correct.  Some of the photos were taken from the Dateline video, iirc.  Blonde may know for sure. 

The problem with Dateline's video is that it NEVER shows the contents of the trap. The only pics of the trap are from the ROV.

[MumInOhio]

Johan...[/b...Sorry lost the link and it will take me all day at this rate to find it...

Re: Natalee Case Discussion #736 2/27 -
« Reply #544 on: February 29, 2008, 12:28:32 AM » 

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Quote from: coolhand on February 29, 2008, 12:00:09 AM
Maybe Mr Schafer can sell the television rights to the remainder of the search to one of the networks so they can raise enough money to finish the search,  and possibly recoup his own money.  Any thoughts?


Welcome to the cage coolhand! I am sure Mr.Schafer,The Family and everyone involved by now has looked at all measures to conclude the mission but your idea is a good one. Hopefully a Ross Perot type as stepped up to the plate so the Persistence can finish what they started.
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This is a very good idea.  We've been working on that for a couple weeks.  I've personally been handling the matter while I was on the east coast last week.  Unfortunately, the Dateline story aired along with Greta and scooped up the remainder of what the press felt was immediately worth reporting on.  I can't blame them.  It's business.  Definitely shot that down though.  Move on.  Deal with it. Stay the course.

[Magnolia]

I wanted to believe Caps.  I didn't do all of the research on his
posts like Mum and SS and others did, but I followed what was
posted everyday.  I felt thankful that somebody from Aruba was
finally willing to do something to help. 
I soon realized that Caps was using Shango/Simian to get a story
across.  He was not solving the riddle, he was making it up as he
went along and his timing was suspect. Why did Caps wait till the
Persistence search to begin posting?
Kermit warned us to "Stay focused, Monkeys."
Kermit sent the pictures that we have seen lately to Beth
in early March.  That is how PI saw them.
When PI posted here about the denim.  Kyle was clearly shocked
and asked PI to contact him privately.
Then after Kermit posted the pictures and Kyle's words here,
Caps came on and said that Natalee was chopped up into
little pieces.  I do not think that was true, but was said
by Caps because he was mad that the pictures had been
exposed.   JMO

[wreck]

I wanted to believe Caps.  I didn't do all of the research on his
posts like Mum and SS and others did, but I followed what was
posted everyday.  I felt thankful that somebody from Aruba was
finally willing to do something to help. 
I soon realized that Caps was using Shango/Simian to get a story
across.  He was not solving the riddle, he was making it up as he
went along and his timing was suspect. Why did Caps wait till the
Persistence search to begin posting?
Kermit warned us to "Stay focused, Monkeys."
Kermit sent the pictures that we have seen lately to Beth
in early March.  That is how PI saw them.
When PI posted here about the denim.  Kyle was clearly shocked
and asked PI to contact him privately.
Then after Kermit posted the pictures and Kyle's words here,
Caps came on and said that Natalee was chopped up into
little pieces.  I do not think that was true, but was said
by Caps because he was mad that the pictures had been
exposed.   JMO

I'm with you. Caps was always trying to make Shango/Simian "fit" into his story. When we came up with contradictory evidence -- he would always change or alter his "theory". Caps is a diversion - IMO

[Magnolia]

I wanted to believe Caps.  I didn't do all of the research on his
posts like Mum and SS and others did, but I followed what was
posted everyday.  I felt thankful that somebody from Aruba was
finally willing to do something to help. 
I soon realized that Caps was using Shango/Simian to get a story
across.  He was not solving the riddle, he was making it up as he
went along and his timing was suspect. Why did Caps wait till the
Persistence search to begin posting?
Kermit warned us to "Stay focused, Monkeys."
Kermit sent the pictures that we have seen lately to Beth
in early March.  That is how PI saw them.
When PI posted here about the denim.  Kyle was clearly shocked
and asked PI to contact him privately.
Then after Kermit posted the pictures and Kyle's words here,
Caps came on and said that Natalee was chopped up into
little pieces.  I do not think that was true, but was said
by Caps because he was mad that the pictures had been
exposed.   JMO

I'm with you. Caps was always trying to make Shango/Simian "fit" into his story. When we came up with contradictory evidence -- he would always change or alter his "theory". Caps is a diversion - IMO

I think we were conned by Caps and at least John Silvetti.
I think Tim Miller was conned as well.  They needed Tim in
the "new witness" story to make it seem believable.

[wreck]

I wanted to believe Caps.  I didn't do all of the research on his
posts like Mum and SS and others did, but I followed what was
posted everyday.  I felt thankful that somebody from Aruba was
finally willing to do something to help. 
I soon realized that Caps was using Shango/Simian to get a story
across.  He was not solving the riddle, he was making it up as he
went along and his timing was suspect. Why did Caps wait till the
Persistence search to begin posting?
Kermit warned us to "Stay focused, Monkeys."
Kermit sent the pictures that we have seen lately to Beth
in early March.  That is how PI saw them.
When PI posted here about the denim.  Kyle was clearly shocked
and asked PI to contact him privately.
Then after Kermit posted the pictures and Kyle's words here,
Caps came on and said that Natalee was chopped up into
little pieces.  I do not think that was true, but was said
by Caps because he was mad that the pictures had been
exposed.   JMO

I'm with you. Caps was always trying to make Shango/Simian "fit" into his story. When we came up with contradictory evidence -- he would always change or alter his "theory". Caps is a diversion - IMO

I think we were conned by Caps and at least John Silvetti.
I think Tim Miller was conned as well.  They needed Tim in
the "new witness" story to make it seem believable.

I think they have "conned" a lot of people (including many Monkeys)

[Anna]

I wanted to believe Caps.  I didn't do all of the research on his
posts like Mum and SS and others did, but I followed what was
posted everyday.  I felt thankful that somebody from Aruba was
finally willing to do something to help. 
I soon realized that Caps was using Shango/Simian to get a story
across.  He was not solving the riddle, he was making it up as he
went along and his timing was suspect. Why did Caps wait till the
Persistence search to begin posting?
Kermit warned us to "Stay focused, Monkeys."
Kermit sent the pictures that we have seen lately to Beth
in early March.  That is how PI saw them.
When PI posted here about the denim.  Kyle was clearly shocked
and asked PI to contact him privately.
Then after Kermit posted the pictures and Kyle's words here,
Caps came on and said that Natalee was chopped up into
little pieces.  I do not think that was true, but was said
by Caps because he was mad that the pictures had been
exposed.   JMO

I tend to agree, Magnolia.  I don't believe Joran chopped anybody into little pieces.  I also dug up Lorenzo's entire driveway once having been assured that was where Natalee was as well.  JUST KIDDING!!!

But the stories have changed with information supplied HERE and not coming from Aruba, etc. too often.

The Kalpoes parents don't own a motel, either.  And Shango and Simian are like fortune cookies, they can be made to apply to just about anything.  I think that was the idea from the beginning. 

Nothing has really changed from what we knew from the first two weeks, IMO.  We don't know for a fact that is Natalee in that fish trap, either.  While I agree the contents were mishandled, it may not have even been her in the first place.

And we warned repeatedly that ALE would make anything disappear.  They have consistently done that and it is well documented.

So if the remains were not Natalee, it doesn't matter so much what happened to them.  If they were Natalee, it is very crucial and the family has been wronged tremendously.

I still see a blue service cap.  I wonder if that is the only fabric that was in the trap because it is in the chest section of Natalee when superimposed over the contents of the trap.  Kyle said the fabric he spoke of was in the area where the skirt would be leading me to think there were two sets of blue fabric recovered.

Just to add to the confusion. . . . . . .





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[wreck]

I wanted to believe Caps.  I didn't do all of the research on his
posts like Mum and SS and others did, but I followed what was
posted everyday.  I felt thankful that somebody from Aruba was
finally willing to do something to help. 
I soon realized that Caps was using Shango/Simian to get a story
across.  He was not solving the riddle, he was making it up as he
went along and his timing was suspect. Why did Caps wait till the
Persistence search to begin posting?
Kermit warned us to "Stay focused, Monkeys."
Kermit sent the pictures that we have seen lately to Beth
in early March.  That is how PI saw them.
When PI posted here about the denim.  Kyle was clearly shocked
and asked PI to contact him privately.
Then after Kermit posted the pictures and Kyle's words here,
Caps came on and said that Natalee was chopped up into
little pieces.  I do not think that was true, but was said
by Caps because he was mad that the pictures had been
exposed.   JMO

I tend to agree, Magnolia.  I don't believe Joran chopped anybody into little pieces.  I also dug up Lorenzo's entire driveway once having been assured that was where Natalee was as well.  JUST KIDDING!!!

But the stories have changed with information supplied HERE and not coming from Aruba, etc. too often.

The Kalpoes parents don't own a motel, either.  And Shango and Simian are like fortune cookies, they can be made to apply to just about anything.  I think that was the idea from the beginning. 

Nothing has really changed from what we knew from the first two weeks, IMO.  We don't know for a fact that is Natalee in that fish trap, either.  While I agree the contents were mishandled, it may not have even been her in the first place.

And we warned repeatedly that ALE would make anything disappear.  They have consistently done that and it is well documented.

So if the remains were not Natalee, it doesn't matter so much what happened to them.  If they were Natalee, it is very crucial and the family has been wronged tremendously.

I still see a blue service cap.  I wonder if that is the only fabric that was in the trap because it is in the chest section of Natalee when superimposed over the contents of the trap.  Kyle said the fabric he spoke of was in the area where the skirt would be leading me to think there were two sets of blue fabric recovered.

Just to add to the confusion. . . . . . .





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I agree pretty much with what you say (though I still don't see the "cap"). Just curious, is your computer monitor analog or digital? My screen is analog -- maybe that has something to do with what people "see". I think people "interpret" pics like "inkblots" -- we perceive things differently.

[Anna]

I am not sure what my monitor is, Wreck.  It is LCD, liquid crystal with the sort of soft screen?

Guess that would be digital?

[wreck]

I am not sure what my monitor is, Wreck.  It is LCD, liquid crystal with the sort of soft screen?

Guess that would be digital?

Easiest way to tell would be the plug in the back -- is it a "DVI" adapter or "VGA" -- Your computer's video card would be the key. If it capable of "DVI" (that's digital)

[Anna]

It is Hansol Model H550.  I don't know about all that stuff, Wreck.  I think it uses NVIDIA GForce something or other for video?  Supposed to play games well and is Media Center PC. 

[Magnolia]

I am not sure what my monitor is, Wreck.  It is LCD, liquid crystal with the sort of soft screen?

Guess that would be digital?

My screen is old timey, but I can see what I believe to be a cap.
I wonder if that cap might have been put in the cage to implicate
the security guards, when Aruba was offering them up as the
killers.

[Anna]

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That's all it says that I find.

[Kermit]

In all of this there are only two things that matter: bring Natalee home and to give peace and closure to her family. All this sue this person or that person or anything else cannot compare to the agony Beth must endure every waking moment. People who want justice for Natalee, if that's what they REALLY want and are not after personal glory for themselves, would not be threatening to me or anybody else. They'd just want the information to get into the right hands.

With that said.....
 

[San]

I wanted to believe Caps.  I didn't do all of the research on his
posts like Mum and SS and others did, but I followed what was
posted everyday.  I felt thankful that somebody from Aruba was
finally willing to do something to help. 
I soon realized that Caps was using Shango/Simian to get a story
across.  He was not solving the riddle, he was making it up as he
went along and his timing was suspect. Why did Caps wait till the
Persistence search to begin posting?
Kermit warned us to "Stay focused, Monkeys."
Kermit sent the pictures that we have seen lately to Beth
in early March.  That is how PI saw them.
When PI posted here about the denim.  Kyle was clearly shocked
and asked PI to contact him privately.
Then after Kermit posted the pictures and Kyle's words here,
Caps came on and said that Natalee was chopped up into
little pieces.  I do not think that was true, but was said
by Caps because he was mad that the pictures had been
exposed.   JMO

I'm with you. Caps was always trying to make Shango/Simian "fit" into his story. When we came up with contradictory evidence -- he would always change or alter his "theory". Caps is a diversion - IMO

I think we were conned by Caps and at least John Silvetti.
I think Tim Miller was conned as well.  They needed Tim in
the "new witness" story to make it seem believable.

I agree with your post Magnolia.  The only part I disagree with was being conned by Caps.  I was never conned.  Once I don't agree with what a poster is saying I basically don't follow what they have to say anymore.  This is a fault of mine in life.  I basically tune the person out.

Others have strong feelings about him and the work he has done and that is fine.  We can't all agree.

I did the same thing when Patrick released the tape of him and Joran in the car.  I never trusted Patrick and always thought he was a lowlife.

This is just my opinion.

[San]

In all of this there are only two things that matter: bring Natalee home and to give peace and closure to her family. All this sue this person or that person or anything else cannot compare to the agony Beth must endure every waking moment. People who want justice for Natalee, if that's what they REALLY want and are not after personal glory for themselves, would not be threatening to me or anybody else. They'd just want the information to get into the right hands.

With that said.....
 

San doesn't take to kindly to threats.  You stay safe Kermit.