Natalee Case Discussion #786 12/17/08 - 12/24/08

[texasmom]

On the internet as long as attribution is given, I don't believe there is anything actually "copyrighted" as such.

I think you are right, Anna.

Besides, Kyle had just seen what happened when Robin
posted the first set of pictures to a "private site".

He knew what could happen.

If Kyle is planning on suing a certain person then he better be planning on suing the forum that he posted this information.

When do I need Cyber Liability Insurance?

Anyone with a Web site now has the legal liabilities of a publisher.

The Internet - that technological wonder of worldwide communication - has spun a whole new “web” of liability exposures.

Creating a Web site is simple. The exposures that come with it are not. Privately owned companies that venture onto the World Wide Web face liability exposures that are emerging, evolving, and complex.

Commercial companies that disseminate information to the public via Web sites face the same legal exposures as publishers, yet most have little or no concept of their resulting legal responsibilities. Moreover, new legislation continues to create potential liabilities, particularly in the areas of user privacy and domain name infringement.

Why do I need Cyber Liability Insurance?

Traditional liability products do not address Internet exposures and the risks involved in Internet business have blossomed with the Net itself. That is why you need Cyber Liability Insurance from InsureNewMedia.

By disseminating information to the public via a website, commercial businesses now have some of the same exposures as publishers. These include conventional publishing exposures such as copyright infringement, defamation and invasion of privacy, as well as emerging exposures related to operating on the Web.

The universe of potential plaintiffs is staggering, given the number of people and organizations that are currently surfing the Net. A potential legal action from just one of them could be costly. In a 1999 case, a company improperly used a sports celebrity’s name and photograph on its web site, and the celebrity sued for the “fair market value” of his name, plus additional damages of $750,000. Clearly, the potential liability associated with web site content is already great, still growing, and rapidly evolving.

For a company operating in today's high tech world, your computer network will more than likely provide internal and external email. You will probably have your own web site providing information about your company, its products and services with even the possibility of e-commerce.

If Kyle takes Kermit to court, all Kermit needs is a jury trial.  I don't believe Kyle could ever win, with all the facts on the table.  Kyle put the information out there first, and human decency would trump anything Kermit might have agreed to before being given the information.  JMO

[San]

He took pictures that were not owned by him and posted them on the internet.  Did he own these pictures personally?  You can't copyright it if you don't own it.

[wreck]

On the internet as long as attribution is given, I don't believe there is anything actually "copyrighted" as such.

I think you are right, Anna.

Besides, Kyle had just seen what happened when Robin
posted the first set of pictures to a "private site".

He knew what could happen.

If Kyle is planning on suing a certain person then he better be planning on suing the forum that he posted this information.

When do I need Cyber Liability Insurance?

Anyone with a Web site now has the legal liabilities of a publisher.

The Internet - that technological wonder of worldwide communication - has spun a whole new “web” of liability exposures.

Creating a Web site is simple. The exposures that come with it are not. Privately owned companies that venture onto the World Wide Web face liability exposures that are emerging, evolving, and complex.

Commercial companies that disseminate information to the public via Web sites face the same legal exposures as publishers, yet most have little or no concept of their resulting legal responsibilities. Moreover, new legislation continues to create potential liabilities, particularly in the areas of user privacy and domain name infringement.

Why do I need Cyber Liability Insurance?

Traditional liability products do not address Internet exposures and the risks involved in Internet business have blossomed with the Net itself. That is why you need Cyber Liability Insurance from InsureNewMedia.

By disseminating information to the public via a website, commercial businesses now have some of the same exposures as publishers. These include conventional publishing exposures such as copyright infringement, defamation and invasion of privacy, as well as emerging exposures related to operating on the Web.

The universe of potential plaintiffs is staggering, given the number of people and organizations that are currently surfing the Net. A potential legal action from just one of them could be costly. In a 1999 case, a company improperly used a sports celebrity’s name and photograph on its web site, and the celebrity sued for the “fair market value” of his name, plus additional damages of $750,000. Clearly, the potential liability associated with web site content is already great, still growing, and rapidly evolving.

For a company operating in today's high tech world, your computer network will more than likely provide internal and external email. You will probably have your own web site providing information about your company, its products and services with even the possibility of e-commerce.

If Kyle takes Kermit to court, all Kermit needs is a jury trial.  I don't believe Kyle could ever win, with all the facts on the table.  Kyle put the information out there first, and human decency would trump anything Kermit might have agreed to before being given the information.  JMO

A civil suit would be delicious. Full disclosure -- no holds barred!

[San]

On the internet as long as attribution is given, I don't believe there is anything actually "copyrighted" as such.

I think you are right, Anna.

Besides, Kyle had just seen what happened when Robin
posted the first set of pictures to a "private site".

He knew what could happen.

If Kyle is planning on suing a certain person then he better be planning on suing the forum that he posted this information.

When do I need Cyber Liability Insurance?

Anyone with a Web site now has the legal liabilities of a publisher.

The Internet - that technological wonder of worldwide communication - has spun a whole new “web” of liability exposures.

Creating a Web site is simple. The exposures that come with it are not. Privately owned companies that venture onto the World Wide Web face liability exposures that are emerging, evolving, and complex.

Commercial companies that disseminate information to the public via Web sites face the same legal exposures as publishers, yet most have little or no concept of their resulting legal responsibilities. Moreover, new legislation continues to create potential liabilities, particularly in the areas of user privacy and domain name infringement.

Why do I need Cyber Liability Insurance?

Traditional liability products do not address Internet exposures and the risks involved in Internet business have blossomed with the Net itself. That is why you need Cyber Liability Insurance from InsureNewMedia.

By disseminating information to the public via a website, commercial businesses now have some of the same exposures as publishers. These include conventional publishing exposures such as copyright infringement, defamation and invasion of privacy, as well as emerging exposures related to operating on the Web.

The universe of potential plaintiffs is staggering, given the number of people and organizations that are currently surfing the Net. A potential legal action from just one of them could be costly. In a 1999 case, a company improperly used a sports celebrity’s name and photograph on its web site, and the celebrity sued for the “fair market value” of his name, plus additional damages of $750,000. Clearly, the potential liability associated with web site content is already great, still growing, and rapidly evolving.

For a company operating in today's high tech world, your computer network will more than likely provide internal and external email. You will probably have your own web site providing information about your company, its products and services with even the possibility of e-commerce.

If Kyle takes Kermit to court, all Kermit needs is a jury trial.  I don't believe Kyle could ever win, with all the facts on the table.  Kyle put the information out there first, and human decency would trump anything Kermit might have agreed to before being given the information.  JMO

A civil suit would be delicious. Full disclosure -- no holds barred!

Kyle where did you get these pictures from?  Umm, Umm I borrowed them 

[texasmom]

On the internet as long as attribution is given, I don't believe there is anything actually "copyrighted" as such.

I think you are right, Anna.

Besides, Kyle had just seen what happened when Robin
posted the first set of pictures to a "private site".

He knew what could happen.

If Kyle is planning on suing a certain person then he better be planning on suing the forum that he posted this information.

When do I need Cyber Liability Insurance?

Anyone with a Web site now has the legal liabilities of a publisher.

The Internet - that technological wonder of worldwide communication - has spun a whole new “web” of liability exposures.

Creating a Web site is simple. The exposures that come with it are not. Privately owned companies that venture onto the World Wide Web face liability exposures that are emerging, evolving, and complex.

Commercial companies that disseminate information to the public via Web sites face the same legal exposures as publishers, yet most have little or no concept of their resulting legal responsibilities. Moreover, new legislation continues to create potential liabilities, particularly in the areas of user privacy and domain name infringement.

Why do I need Cyber Liability Insurance?

Traditional liability products do not address Internet exposures and the risks involved in Internet business have blossomed with the Net itself. That is why you need Cyber Liability Insurance from InsureNewMedia.

By disseminating information to the public via a website, commercial businesses now have some of the same exposures as publishers. These include conventional publishing exposures such as copyright infringement, defamation and invasion of privacy, as well as emerging exposures related to operating on the Web.

The universe of potential plaintiffs is staggering, given the number of people and organizations that are currently surfing the Net. A potential legal action from just one of them could be costly. In a 1999 case, a company improperly used a sports celebrity’s name and photograph on its web site, and the celebrity sued for the “fair market value” of his name, plus additional damages of $750,000. Clearly, the potential liability associated with web site content is already great, still growing, and rapidly evolving.

For a company operating in today's high tech world, your computer network will more than likely provide internal and external email. You will probably have your own web site providing information about your company, its products and services with even the possibility of e-commerce.

If Kyle takes Kermit to court, all Kermit needs is a jury trial.  I don't believe Kyle could ever win, with all the facts on the table.  Kyle put the information out there first, and human decency would trump anything Kermit might have agreed to before being given the information.  JMO

A civil suit would be delicious. Full disclosure -- no holds barred!

Exactly!

[texasmom]

San!   

[Tamikosmom]

The other girls can testify that he was in the casino

I contend that the first time that Paulus' face appeared in the media ... Natalee's friends who were at the Black Jack table were able to identify Joran's father as the person sitting with them.

Think about it.  Beth made the following statement to Rita Cosby six month prior to the revelation of the video recording.

Janet

+++++

Katherine (Madison) Whatley
FBI Statement
July 12, 2005

After swimming at the hotel on Sunday, WHATLEY and other classmates, including HOLLOWAY, ate dinner at a restaurant next to the hotel. After dinner they went to the casino at the hotel. A few classmates were gambling at a card table along with an "older man" and YURON VAN DER SLOOT. (Whatley 302)


'Rita Cosby Live & Direct' for Sept. 19th
updated 6:33 a.m. PT, Tues., Sept. 20, 2005

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY: ... I don‘t think there was ever a question that Joran and Paulus Van Der Sloot had been in that Excelsior Casino, and, particularly, on the night of the 29th where he and his father met Natalee.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9407728/

[wreck]

On the internet as long as attribution is given, I don't believe there is anything actually "copyrighted" as such.

I think you are right, Anna.

Besides, Kyle had just seen what happened when Robin
posted the first set of pictures to a "private site".

He knew what could happen.

If Kyle is planning on suing a certain person then he better be planning on suing the forum that he posted this information.

When do I need Cyber Liability Insurance?

Anyone with a Web site now has the legal liabilities of a publisher.

The Internet - that technological wonder of worldwide communication - has spun a whole new “web” of liability exposures.

Creating a Web site is simple. The exposures that come with it are not. Privately owned companies that venture onto the World Wide Web face liability exposures that are emerging, evolving, and complex.

Commercial companies that disseminate information to the public via Web sites face the same legal exposures as publishers, yet most have little or no concept of their resulting legal responsibilities. Moreover, new legislation continues to create potential liabilities, particularly in the areas of user privacy and domain name infringement.

Why do I need Cyber Liability Insurance?

Traditional liability products do not address Internet exposures and the risks involved in Internet business have blossomed with the Net itself. That is why you need Cyber Liability Insurance from InsureNewMedia.

By disseminating information to the public via a website, commercial businesses now have some of the same exposures as publishers. These include conventional publishing exposures such as copyright infringement, defamation and invasion of privacy, as well as emerging exposures related to operating on the Web.

The universe of potential plaintiffs is staggering, given the number of people and organizations that are currently surfing the Net. A potential legal action from just one of them could be costly. In a 1999 case, a company improperly used a sports celebrity’s name and photograph on its web site, and the celebrity sued for the “fair market value” of his name, plus additional damages of $750,000. Clearly, the potential liability associated with web site content is already great, still growing, and rapidly evolving.

For a company operating in today's high tech world, your computer network will more than likely provide internal and external email. You will probably have your own web site providing information about your company, its products and services with even the possibility of e-commerce.

If Kyle takes Kermit to court, all Kermit needs is a jury trial.  I don't believe Kyle could ever win, with all the facts on the table.  Kyle put the information out there first, and human decency would trump anything Kermit might have agreed to before being given the information.  JMO

A civil suit would be delicious. Full disclosure -- no holds barred!

Kyle where did you get these pictures from?  Umm, Umm I borrowed them 

It would be great to "copyright" material you don't own!!! 

[wreck]

The other girls can testify that he was in the casino

I contend that the first time that Paulus' face appeared in the media ... Natalee's friends who were at the Black Jack table were able to identify Joran's father as the person sitting with them.

Think about it.  Beth made the following statement to Rita Cosby six month prior to the revelation of the video recording.

Janet

+++++

Katherine (Madison) Whatley
FBI Statement
July 12, 2005

After swimming at the hotel on Sunday, WHATLEY and other classmates, including HOLLOWAY, ate dinner at a restaurant next to the hotel. After dinner they went to the casino at the hotel. A few classmates were gambling at a card table along with an "older man" and YURON VAN DER SLOOT. (Whatley 302)


'Rita Cosby Live & Direct' for Sept. 19th
updated 6:33 a.m. PT, Tues., Sept. 20, 2005

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY: ... I don‘t think there was ever a question that Joran and Paulus Van Der Sloot had been in that Excelsior Casino, and, particularly, on the night of the 29th where he and his father met Natalee.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9407728/

I commented on this after you left yesterday. The girlfriends of Natalee have not commented ONE word about the trip or what they said to FBI publicly since the beginning. They are to be commended!

[San]

If Kyle takes Kermit to court, all Kermit needs is a jury trial.  I don't believe Kyle could ever win, with all the facts on the table.  Kyle put the information out there first, and human decency would trump anything Kermit might have agreed to before being given the information.  JMO

A civil suit would be delicious. Full disclosure -- no holds barred!

Kyle where did you get these pictures from?  Umm, Umm I borrowed them 

It would be great to "copyright" material you don't own!!! 

Wouldn't we all be rich.

These laws are very complicated.  He has not done his homework.

[San]

The other girls can testify that he was in the casino

I contend that the first time that Paulus' face appeared in the media ... Natalee's friends who were at the Black Jack table were able to identify Joran's father as the person sitting with them.

Think about it.  Beth made the following statement to Rita Cosby six month prior to the revelation of the video recording.

Janet

+++++

Katherine (Madison) Whatley
FBI Statement
July 12, 2005

After swimming at the hotel on Sunday, WHATLEY and other classmates, including HOLLOWAY, ate dinner at a restaurant next to the hotel. After dinner they went to the casino at the hotel. A few classmates were gambling at a card table along with an "older man" and YURON VAN DER SLOOT. (Whatley 302)


'Rita Cosby Live & Direct' for Sept. 19th
updated 6:33 a.m. PT, Tues., Sept. 20, 2005

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY: ... I don‘t think there was ever a question that Joran and Paulus Van Der Sloot had been in that Excelsior Casino, and, particularly, on the night of the 29th where he and his father met Natalee.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9407728/

I commented on this after you left yesterday. The girlfriends of Natalee have not commented ONE word about the trip or what they said to FBI publicly since the beginning. They are to be commended!

I agree.  They listend to what they were told.

[Tamikosmom]

My prayer is that Kyle will release himself of the burden of his wrongdoing and ... will become part of the investigation into the contents of the cage/trap.  In other words ... Kyle should reveal all to the FBI regarding the happenings on board the Persistence that implied justice for Natalee Holloway was not the objective of the undertaking and ... and closure for the family was not the objective of the undertaing.

Hey ... Kyle will surely face consequences and personal regret for his actions but ... the freedom that comes with doing right will make it all worthwhile.  What a testimony to his faith!!  What a role model to his daughter!!  What a testimony to his character!!

Janet

[Magnolia]

[/quote]
It would be great to "copyright" material you don't own!!! 
[/quote]

That happened several years ago.  Somebody checked copyrights
on business logos.
Charged the companies that had not copyrighted their logos
huge amounts to get their logos back.

[Anna]

It would be great to "copyright" material you don't own!!! 
[/quote]

That happened several years ago.  Somebody checked copyrights
on business logos.
Charged the companies that had not copyrighted their logos
huge amounts to get their logos back.


[/quote]

I have heard that most of Stephen Foster's songs are not copyrighted.  Maybe I will go for those?

[Tamikosmom]

Kyle ... I will not let up on you.  I will not back down until their is full disclosure forthcoming from you to the FBI and the family of Natalee Holloway regarding the happenings on board the Persistence that imply a coverup in regards to the contents of that cage/trap.

Considering that I do not believe that justice for an eighteen year old American citizen will come from an Aruban or Dutch court ... the ability for the family to bring their beloved home is my priority and ... if that is no longer possible ... the knowledge pertaining to the contents of that trap is where it is at.

Kyle ... believe it or not I do care about you very much.  There is nothing I have posted on this forum that I would not have said personally to either of my sons if they were in your place.

With Love in His precious name.

Janet

[Anna]

Magnolia, I also wonder if the service cap was put in the trap to frame somebody else or to keep them quiet.

Wreck, don't think it has much to do with monitor because I seldom see all the things in photos that others say they see.  Just that one things is very clear to me especially when moving back from the screem about three feet which is always a good thing to do.

[johan555]

Tracy Pollan will star as Beth Twitty in Natalee Holloway movie



Tracy Pollan, Michael J. Fox's wife and his former co-star in "Family Ties," will star as Mountain Brook's Beth Twitty in the upcoming Lifetime Movie Network film about
News File
Beth Twitty
Twitty's daughter, Natalee Holloway, Lifetime announced today.
News File
Beth Twitty

Pollan also had recurring guest roles on "Spin City" and "Law & Order: Special Victims Unit," the latter of which earned her an Emmy Award nomination. Her feature film credits include "Bright Lights, Big City" and "Baby, It's You."

Casting for the role of Holloway, who disappeared in Aruba while on a senior class trip in 2005, has not been announced.

"The Natalee Holloway Story," based on Twitty's book, "Loving Natalee: A Mother's Testament of Hope and Faith," will begin production in January and air on Lifetime Movie Network in April.

[Blue Moon]

He took pictures that were not owned by him and posted them on the internet.  Did he own these pictures personally?  You can't copyright it if you don't own it.

Wonder when the pictures were copyrighted?  During the negotiations between the Persistence, ABC, Perer DV, etc.?  I think the only reason to copyright the photos is to be able to sell them for money to a TV station, documentary, book deal etc.

[Blonde]

He took pictures that were not owned by him and posted them on the internet.  Did he own these pictures personally?  You can't copyright it if you don't own it.

Also My daughter is an artist, she has to go pay and get them copyright,and prove they are her work.

[texasmom]

12/19/2008 Bondia

http://www.bondia.com/index.php?option=com_flippingbook&book_id=2



(I had to type this one out so there could be some errors)
I also tried running the following translation through the Portugese translator but I had many, many "ass" words show up so I didn't post it. 

 

Papiamentu translation:
aruba is stay responsible for natalee holloway but not have to help esnan irresponsabel

without dada some, we comunidad have one owe moral cu family of natalee holloway, the young student mericano, that owing to desaparece day 30 of half of 2005, one day first cu the have to owing to return his country, after of one vacacion cortico here at aruba. ananan will happen y the owe here will stay existi, till hour cu the caso stay soluciona y famianan of natalee achieve know kico owing to happen, y esun or esnan culpabel come across,paga for thing can owing to sosode cu the young here. is more cu claro cu we country will stay owe the family here one contesta, one splicacion cu they child muher owing to lose on the island diminutive here without let rastro some behind at where his curpa will can is. also will stay one mature, cu the person more named after in the caso here, esta joran van der sloot, will stay because; the first sospechoso y first responsible for clarifica the enigma here y if the is inocente or not, the have cu follow live cu the weight here, already cu the was genuinely the ultimo cu owing to see natalee at life. is hechonan cu none person can change till hour cu the enigma regrettable here stay aclerea but also is extremely regrettable cu hendenan cu not have art neither parte de culpabilidad of desparicion of natalee holloway, is wordo lastra, they credibilidad atacha, same cu the campananan negative cu is being haci at merca contra we island. is of lamenta, y is algo cu never have to owing to arrive so far, cu minister of husticia, is lance one insinuaction so earnest, contra one ex comisario of police, that “lo” owing to stroba y perhudica the investigacion of the caso of natalee. cualkier can as the razon cu minister of husticia can had for cuestiona the work of the ex comisario of police, the have to owing to atende the asunto here in form various, y assure if the menciona cu the have “prueba” of the desaroyo here, then the not owing to actua hour cu the have to owing to actua. the desaroyo here owing to arise still more doubt close esnan at merca, instancianan cu is see in the caso of natalee holloway one form for stay at life because; journalist, cu is using the discusion here at aruba, because; one siguranza for they ponencianan ridiculo. the caso of natalee holloway have three ana bicu, thing assure is much time for her family of the young here, but at self instant, the caso here do not uno solitario on his self, y in “cualkier” sistema hudicial fayonan can being cometi, without cu mesterbay overnacuestiona integridad of esnan cu owing to comete the fayonan here. for colmo the week here, one caso regrettable, uno extremely abysmal, caminda the young adam walsh of barely 7 ana owing to wordo soluciona, after of 27 ana. the boy here, owing to wordo secuestra y some day after, autoridadnan policial owing to come descubri cabez of the child here throw in one forest, while cu never owing to achieve remainder of his curpa. yesterday autoridadnan at merca owing to anuncia cu they're serca of soluciona the caso of carpachi y another wesonan cu they owing to achieve bury in one forest near of one caretera, cu probably will is pertenece at the criatura caylee anthony of 4 ana of edad, that his mother owing to give for perdi, casi one month after cu the child will owing to lose. the mother, casey anthony is deteni, sospecha of owing to kill his own child, in one caso abysmal while cu at merca self have cantidad of caso caminda crimennan cu simplemente is let everybody mouth open, menera among another of one abusador sexual of one criatura of cinco ana, that owing to bury the poor child in one saco of plastic, while cu still the criatura was at life. is crimennan cu all being human have cu condena, cu none society civiliza can acepta, but cu esnan responsible have cu atende y aclerea. not can have division in the struggle contra criminalidad, kizas diferencia of opinion, but none interest of none minister, of none oficial of husticia, can is stop on implementacion of husticia. natalee holloway is one caso cu will stay responsabilidad of we country, of we sistema hudicial y of we all, for soluciona y bringando cu another without sense, acusando another of cosnan without sense, acusando another of cosnan without sense y cu instead of help aclerea one crimen cometi for one “otro”, is haci because; sifuera is esnan trahando for soluciona the enigma, is esnan culpabel at desaparicion of the young holloway. the instant owing to arrive for gobierno, intensifica his responsabilidad diplomatico, inverti more time for atende cu interesnan of we country at merca y in all attempt cu is being haci for periodistanan mericano, take away one contra atake cu is serve interest of we country. not acepta cualkier locura cu various medio of comunicacion mericano is fabrica for stay the one level high of sintonia, but atende the interesnan of nols country at all instant, thing till at the momentonan here, do not the caso. john walsh, father of the boy adam, that owing to wordo asesina 27 ana happen, owing to declara cu the is believe cu natalee holloway is dead y cu the trues hobennan deteni in the casi here, owing to “get away with murder.” mustrando once more cu they're stay responsible for desaparicion of the young here, already cu they was the ultimonan for see natalee holloway. is of lamenta the ultimo desaroyonan here, y also the pasividad of govierno paloke is one campana more strong at merca for her caso here, while cu here at aruba if have suficente energy for ataca another, causando still more problem for reputacion of we island in exterior. caso natalee holloway is follow of is one asunto extremely delicado y earnest, cu is rekeri atencion earnest y responsible at all instant till hour cu the stay soluciona y aclerea. hour cu esnan encolvi in the caso here, ataca another, cuestiona another they funcionamento, already the responsabilidad cu we have cu carga because; country responsible for desaparicion of natalee holloway, is help esnan cu is irresponsabel in the caso here. the is less the enfoke for of esnan cu genuinely is responabel y cu now is so irresponsabel in the caso. come across