Natalee Case Discussion #786 12/17/08 - 12/24/08

[texasmom]

Off topic, but are jumbo breast enhancements required for all women living in Aruba?

   It does seem that way!

[Tamikosmom]

I wanted to bring this forward:

Kermit posted:

It is Dolf Richarson who is in charge of the investigation.
I know that he waited some time before he even sent what was called the material.
So could he have switched it? I don't know.

But look at Dolph Richardson and Hans Mos.
AND the Aruban divers that were on board.
BUT and I am going to say this ONLY ONCE.
The Aruban divers, nor Hans Mos, nor Richardson were aware of what I may reveal to you.
THEY have no idea.

That is important because it reveals the cover-up.

^^^BUMP^^^^
I missed this!!!  hmmmmm 

I took this to  mean that the Aruban's were unaware of the pics of the zip lock bags.

Buckeye ... on November 23, 2008 when Kermit posted the above ... she/he had yet to reveal the ROV images and Kyle's posts which had been submited to a private forum ... posst which exposed a John S/Aruban connection regarding the truth encompassing the Persistence hoax.  Kermit made the revelation one day later.

In other words ... the implication is the Arubans had no idea that any proof existed that exposed the contents of that cage/trap.

Janet

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Kermit
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #778 11/23/08 -
« Reply #20 on: November 23, 2008, 10:12:06 PM »

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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #778 11/23/08 -
« Reply #408 on: November 24, 2008, 03:59:08 PM »

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[natalfan]

Aruba Diario - 02-14-07
The whole case of the disappearance of Natalee Holloway gets a different twist now that the information has come out from no less than the Superior Court, and in which mention is made of the declarations of witnesses and a phone tap that show or give an indication that Paul van der Sloot had on two occasions personal contact with Natalee during the night that she disappeared. Mention is made that, according to one or more official reports of the phone tap and also the declaration of Paul van der Sloot himself, that Paul fetched Joran and Natalee at McDonald and took them to the Holiday Inn. Based on this information, the judicial authorities and the police had at that time a justified basis to arrest Paul van der Sloot based on different suspicions. Translation Credit: Diario Aruba

This is the most interesting part of this declaration regarding the 'case against Paulus'.  This says TWO OCCASIONS where he had personal contact with Natalee ONE THE NIGHT SHE DISAPPEARED.  Two, yet this only reveals ONE.

So, to think about the information from the phone tap...when did he state he picked them both up and took Natalee to the HI?  5/30, 5/31, 6/1...a few days after that?  We KNOW that the Holiday Inn drop off story was told in the early morning hours of 5/31 to Natalee's family and friends, but Paulus was not included in that story.  Before that moment when Deepak and Joran told that story, if the Van Der Sloot home phone was already tapped and Paulus is heard saying to someone, "I picked Joran and a girl up at McDonald's and he and I took her to the HI"...BAM.  Paulus just gave himself away big as day. 

If Paulus made that statement over the phone after the early morning hours of 5/31, who in the hell was he saying that to?  He had to know that the HI story told by Deepak and Joran did not include him, so why compound a lie to include yourself?  Including yourself in what is already a lie does not protect your son since the polis already have their statements saying Deepak and Joran and Satish dropped her at the HI.  So who would Paulus say such a thing to?  Had they already had their meeting around the pool?  If so, Paulus is one dumb SOB.  If not, Paulus is still one dumb SOB! 

The second interesting thing about this snip from the article is that it stated that it has been indicated that Paulus had two occasions of contact with Natalee that night.  So did they clearly identify Paulus as the man sitting at the black jack table from the casino security footage?  If not, then where and when was the other occasion?  If so, why isn't he still a suspect?

Better yet, WHY AREN'T ALL OF THIS AZZHOLES STILL IN JAIL!!!

Because they're corrupt as hell

[San]

Aruba Diario - 02-14-07
The whole case of the disappearance of Natalee Holloway gets a different twist now that the information has come out from no less than the Superior Court, and in which mention is made of the declarations of witnesses and a phone tap that show or give an indication that Paul van der Sloot had on two occasions personal contact with Natalee during the night that she disappeared. Mention is made that, according to one or more official reports of the phone tap and also the declaration of Paul van der Sloot himself, that Paul fetched Joran and Natalee at McDonald and took them to the Holiday Inn. Based on this information, the judicial authorities and the police had at that time a justified basis to arrest Paul van der Sloot based on different suspicions. Translation Credit: Diario Aruba

This is the most interesting part of this declaration regarding the 'case against Paulus'.  This says TWO OCCASIONS where he had personal contact with Natalee ONE THE NIGHT SHE DISAPPEARED.  Two, yet this only reveals ONE.

So, to think about the information from the phone tap...when did he state he picked them both up and took Natalee to the HI?  5/30, 5/31, 6/1...a few days after that?  We KNOW that the Holiday Inn drop off story was told in the early morning hours of 5/31 to Natalee's family and friends, but Paulus was not included in that story.  Before that moment when Deepak and Joran told that story, if the Van Der Sloot home phone was already tapped and Paulus is heard saying to someone, "I picked Joran and a girl up at McDonald's and he and I took her to the HI"...BAM.  Paulus just gave himself away big as day. 

If Paulus made that statement over the phone after the early morning hours of 5/31, who in the hell was he saying that to?  He had to know that the HI story told by Deepak and Joran did not include him, so why compound a lie to include yourself?  Including yourself in what is already a lie does not protect your son since the polis already have their statements saying Deepak and Joran and Satish dropped her at the HI.  So who would Paulus say such a thing to?  Had they already had their meeting around the pool?  If so, Paulus is one dumb SOB.  If not, Paulus is still one dumb SOB! 

The second interesting thing about this snip from the article is that it stated that it has been indicated that Paulus had two occasions of contact with Natalee that night.  So did they clearly identify Paulus as the man sitting at the black jack table from the casino security footage?  If not, then where and when was the other occasion?  If so, why isn't he still a suspect?

Better yet, WHY AREN'T ALL OF THIS AZZHOLES STILL IN JAIL!!!

When I read this I thought the first contact was talking with her at the black jack table.
The second contact was when he said himself he picked her up w/Joran. I can't find that PV now. (Didn't some of Paulus' PVs have missing pages in them?)

Then there was the 2am and 4am phone calls.

Who had the authority to give Paulus the 'get out of jail' card?

Yes Paulus' PV's had missing pages.

Karin Janssen gave Paulus the get out of jail card but she was following orders the same way Mos is following the same orders.

[San]

ARUBA COVER-UP!!!!

[Magnolia]

Who is the boss of them all, San?

Caps had said that Peterze was to replace Mos I thought,
but we saw the article yesterday that he is replacing Teresa Croes.
Is Mos really on the fast boat back to Holland?

[truthseeker2]

ARUBA COVER-UP!!!!

COURTESY OF THE NETHERLANDS!!!!

[Keepthefaith]

What is the history of Ed Comemencia?How did he come to be in the position he his?Where is he from?Is he Aruban,Venezuelan,Colombian,Dutch?Does the Information Guru,Janet have a timeline of when and where "ED's" head seemed to pop up all the way until being aboard the Persistence.Who is Ed's boss?What is His relationship to Paulus?

[Keepthefaith]

O/T.What a great day in Seattle!Favre,Holmgren,Snow.Bringin a lil of Lambeu to Qwest field for their Final meeting..

[truthseeker2]

Aruba Diario - 02-14-07
The whole case of the disappearance of Natalee Holloway gets a different twist now that the information has come out from no less than the Superior Court, and in which mention is made of the declarations of witnesses and a phone tap that show or give an indication that Paul van der Sloot had on two occasions personal contact with Natalee during the night that she disappeared. Mention is made that, according to one or more official reports of the phone tap and also the declaration of Paul van der Sloot himself, that Paul fetched Joran and Natalee at McDonald and took them to the Holiday Inn. Based on this information, the judicial authorities and the police had at that time a justified basis to arrest Paul van der Sloot based on different suspicions. Translation Credit: Diario Aruba

This is the most interesting part of this declaration regarding the 'case against Paulus'.  This says TWO OCCASIONS where he had personal contact with Natalee ONE THE NIGHT SHE DISAPPEARED.  Two, yet this only reveals ONE.

So, to think about the information from the phone tap...when did he state he picked them both up and took Natalee to the HI?  5/30, 5/31, 6/1...a few days after that?  We KNOW that the Holiday Inn drop off story was told in the early morning hours of 5/31 to Natalee's family and friends, but Paulus was not included in that story.  Before that moment when Deepak and Joran told that story, if the Van Der Sloot home phone was already tapped and Paulus is heard saying to someone, "I picked Joran and a girl up at McDonald's and he and I took her to the HI"...BAM.  Paulus just gave himself away big as day. 

If Paulus made that statement over the phone after the early morning hours of 5/31, who in the hell was he saying that to?  He had to know that the HI story told by Deepak and Joran did not include him, so why compound a lie to include yourself?  Including yourself in what is already a lie does not protect your son since the polis already have their statements saying Deepak and Joran and Satish dropped her at the HI.  So who would Paulus say such a thing to?  Had they already had their meeting around the pool?  If so, Paulus is one dumb SOB.  If not, Paulus is still one dumb SOB! 

The second interesting thing about this snip from the article is that it stated that it has been indicated that Paulus had two occasions of contact with Natalee that night.  So did they clearly identify Paulus as the man sitting at the black jack table from the casino security footage?  If not, then where and when was the other occasion?  If so, why isn't he still a suspect?

Better yet, WHY AREN'T ALL OF THIS AZZHOLES STILL IN JAIL!!!

When I read this I thought the first contact was talking with her at the black jack table.
The second contact was when he said himself he picked her up w/Joran. I can't find that PV now. (Didn't some of Paulus' PVs have missing pages in them?)

Then there was the 2am and 4am phone calls.

Who had the authority to give Paulus the 'get out of jail' card?

Yes Paulus' PV's had missing pages.

Karin Janssen gave Paulus the get out of jail card but she was following orders the same way Mos is following the same orders.

Yes, Janssen let him out of jail.  And is probably following orders...or doing a 'favor' for a friend. 

So, what could they have done that was so bad that could be proven?  So bad that they were willing to risk the best above board industry they have in order to cover for Paulus and Joran Van Der Sloot? 

If she truly died of a non-self induced drug overdose, there would be no way to prove that she had not taken the drugs herself.  Granted, we would not believe it, but who could prove it?  So why did they not let her body be found?

1. Evidence of more than drugs being involved in her death.

2. There is no body.  She left the island alive. (no body, no case)

3. They were too stupid to think that her family would actually question their 'investigation', so they disposed of her in a manner that will not allow her to be found.  Now, they are stuck with being under a spotlight that will never grow dim. (even if the search done by the Persistence did locate her remains, Aruba continues to cover up.  Why are they letting this go on when they could easily convict Joran with those remains?)

Why continue the cover up???????????  What truth could be so bad that they are willing to continue to harm the one legal industry on that island??????

We could accept that a 'few bad cops and politicians' initiated and maintained a cover up.  Hell, we already know this and they KNOW we know it.  So, why not end it now and tell the truth?  And let Aruba begin to try and restore the tourist industry?

Comeon, Aruba....it's past time to do the right thing by Natalee.

[truthseeker2]

O/T.What a great day in Seattle!Favre,Holmgren,Snow.Bringin a lil of Lambeu to Qwest field for their Final meeting..

O/T question...R U a Seahawk fan?  (I am a huge Farve fan, but not really much of a Jets fan)

[Tamikosmom]

ALE can never be trusted. Kyle(OE). We're all willing to hear the rebuttal but for some reason i think it'll never come.

Hi Keepthefaith

I believe the words in Kyle Kingman's posts ... exposing to internet posters the underlying purpose of the Persistence endeavor ... an endeavor that had nothing to do with justice for Natalee Holloway ... an endeavor that nothing to do with closure for her family ... speak for themselves.

I pray that that Kyle will have a change of heart and ... put aside his major network deals and ... make the personal decision to be a participant in exposing the Persistence hoax to the family and the FBI.  His testimony regarding the happenings on board the Persistence is crucial.  The family deserves to know if Natalee's remains were in that crab/trap.

If Kyle choses to stay his present course ... he is has chosen to be one with those  ... who from the getgo ... have prevented justice from prevailing for an eighteen year old American citizen.  He has chosen to be one ... with those who from the getgo ... have put a family through a H--- on Earth.

Kyle ... even at this late date ... Monkeys are waiting for you to post and reveal that you have made the decision to take the high road ... reveal the Persistence hoax and ... let the chips fall where they may.

Janet

[Keepthefaith]

Aruba Diario - 02-14-07
The whole case of the disappearance of Natalee Holloway gets a different twist now that the information has come out from no less than the Superior Court, and in which mention is made of the declarations of witnesses and a phone tap that show or give an indication that Paul van der Sloot had on two occasions personal contact with Natalee during the night that she disappeared. Mention is made that, according to one or more official reports of the phone tap and also the declaration of Paul van der Sloot himself, that Paul fetched Joran and Natalee at McDonald and took them to the Holiday Inn. Based on this information, the judicial authorities and the police had at that time a justified basis to arrest Paul van der Sloot based on different suspicions. Translation Credit: Diario Aruba

This is the most interesting part of this declaration regarding the 'case against Paulus'.  This says TWO OCCASIONS where he had personal contact with Natalee ONE THE NIGHT SHE DISAPPEARED.  Two, yet this only reveals ONE.

So, to think about the information from the phone tap...when did he state he picked them both up and took Natalee to the HI?  5/30, 5/31, 6/1...a few days after that?  We KNOW that the Holiday Inn drop off story was told in the early morning hours of 5/31 to Natalee's family and friends, but Paulus was not included in that story.  Before that moment when Deepak and Joran told that story, if the Van Der Sloot home phone was already tapped and Paulus is heard saying to someone, "I picked Joran and a girl up at McDonald's and he and I took her to the HI"...BAM.  Paulus just gave himself away big as day. 

If Paulus made that statement over the phone after the early morning hours of 5/31, who in the hell was he saying that to?  He had to know that the HI story told by Deepak and Joran did not include him, so why compound a lie to include yourself?  Including yourself in what is already a lie does not protect your son since the polis already have their statements saying Deepak and Joran and Satish dropped her at the HI.  So who would Paulus say such a thing to?  Had they already had their meeting around the pool?  If so, Paulus is one dumb SOB.  If not, Paulus is still one dumb SOB! 

The second interesting thing about this snip from the article is that it stated that it has been indicated that Paulus had two occasions of contact with Natalee that night.  So did they clearly identify Paulus as the man sitting at the black jack table from the casino security footage?  If not, then where and when was the other occasion?  If so, why isn't he still a suspect?

Better yet, WHY AREN'T ALL OF THIS AZZHOLES STILL IN JAIL!!!

When I read this I thought the first contact was talking with her at the black jack table.
The second contact was when he said himself he picked her up w/Joran. I can't find that PV now. (Didn't some of Paulus' PVs have missing pages in them?)

Then there was the 2am and 4am phone calls.

Who had the authority to give Paulus the 'get out of jail' card?

Yes Paulus' PV's had missing pages.

Karin Janssen gave Paulus the get out of jail card but she was following orders the same way Mos is following the same orders.

Yes, Janssen let him out of jail.  And is probably following orders...or doing a 'favor' for a friend. 

So, what could they have done that was so bad that could be proven?  So bad that they were willing to risk the best above board industry they have in order to cover for Paulus and Joran Van Der Sloot? 

If she truly died of a non-self induced drug overdose, there would be no way to prove that she had not taken the drugs herself.  Granted, we would not believe it, but who could prove it?  So why did they not let her body be found?

1. Evidence of more than drugs being involved in her death.

2. There is no body.  She left the island alive. (no body, no case)

3. They were too stupid to think that her family would actually question their 'investigation', so they disposed of her in a manner that will not allow her to be found.  Now, they are stuck with being under a spotlight that will never grow dim. (even if the search done by the Persistence did locate her remains, Aruba continues to cover up.  Why are they letting this go on when they could easily convict Joran with those remains?)

Why continue the cover up???????????  What truth could be so bad that they are willing to continue to harm the one legal industry on that island??????

We could accept that a 'few bad cops and politicians' initiated and maintained a cover up.  Hell, we already know this and they KNOW we know it.  So, why not end it now and tell the truth?  And let Aruba begin to try and restore the tourist industry?

Comeon, Aruba....it's past time to do the right thing by Natalee.

Even if Paulus is in Bed with the Mafia that does business on the island wouldn't they have handle this themselves by now?As we know the foundation of this Island is Corruption,drugs,prostitution,as well as money laundering i don't think their to concerned with tourism.The only way that tourism will affect them is if the "REAL" worker's on the island start to lose their jobs in masses due to tourism dollars dropping off.The Mafia will not pay for this out of their own pocket..

[Keepthefaith]

O/T.What a great day in Seattle!Favre,Holmgren,Snow.Bringin a lil of Lambeu to Qwest field for their Final meeting..

O/T question...R U a Seahawk fan?  (I am a huge Farve fan, but not really much of a Jets fan)

Live in Seattle Truthseeker.Yes!Seahawk fan,but want Favre to continue to win to stick it to Green Bay...

[truthseeker2]

O/T.What a great day in Seattle!Favre,Holmgren,Snow.Bringin a lil of Lambeu to Qwest field for their Final meeting..

O/T question...R U a Seahawk fan?  (I am a huge Farve fan, but not really much of a Jets fan)

Live in Seattle Truthseeker.Yes!Seahawk fan,but want Favre to continue to win to stick it to Green Bay...

Ah...I like the way you think!  I have followed Farve since he was a collegiate QB at Southern Mississippi.  Green Bay made a huge mistake, imo!

[klaasend]

Who is the boss of them all, San?

Caps had said that Peterze was to replace Mos I thought,
but we saw the article yesterday that he is replacing Teresa Croes.
Is Mos really on the fast boat back to Holland?

I thought MOS was only their for a short time anyway.  I think MOS is gone some time after the first of the year.

[Keepthefaith]

ALE can never be trusted. Kyle(OE). We're all willing to hear the rebuttal but for some reason i think it'll never come.

Hi Keepthefaith

I believe the words in Kyle Kingman's posts ... exposing to internet posters the underlying purpose of the Persistence endeavor ... an endeavor that had nothing to do with justice for Natalee Holloway ... an endeavor that nothing to do with closure for her family ... speak for themselves.

I pray that that Kyle will have a change of heart and ... put aside his major network deals and ... make the personal decision to be a participant in exposing the Persistence hoax to the family and the FBI.  His testimony regarding the happenings on board the Persistence is crucial.  The family deserves to know if Natalee's remains were in that crab/trap.

If Kyle choses to stay his present course ... he is has chosen to be one with those  ... who from the getgo ... have prevented justice from prevailing for an eighteen year old American citizen.  He has chosen to be one ... with those who from the getgo ... have put a family through a H--- on Earth.

Kyle ... even at this late date ... Monkeys are waiting for you to post and reveal that you have made the decision to take the high road ... reveal the Persistence hoax and ... let the chips fall where they may.

Janet

I think we're all willing to hear kyle out.The continued protracted silence is disheartening to say the least!Did you see my questions regarding ED Comemencia?Is there an accurate chronolgy of when and where is head popped up?

[truthseeker2]

Even if Paulus is in Bed with the Mafia that does business on the island wouldn't they have handle this themselves by now?As we know the foundation of this Island is Corruption,drugs,prostitution,as well as money laundering i don't think their to concerned with tourism.The only way that tourism will affect them is if the "REAL" worker's on the island start to lose their jobs in masses due to tourism dollars dropping off.The Mafia will not pay for this out of their own pocket..

You would think they would have a handle on it by now, wouldn't you?  It seems like the average Aruban has already been hurt by this, not to mention the laundering of money through the casinos.  Maybe the laundering business is still working just fine?

What a crappy place.  Too bad I had never considered going there before.  Kinda makes my boycott of that rock a zero effect.

[truthseeker2]

Who is the boss of them all, San?

Caps had said that Peterze was to replace Mos I thought,
but we saw the article yesterday that he is replacing Teresa Croes.
Is Mos really on the fast boat back to Holland?

I thought MOS was only their for a short time anyway.  I think MOS is gone some time after the first of the year.

That's the way I understand it too, Klaas.  Seems he did his job, which was to keep the cover up going.

[Keepthefaith]

Even if Paulus is in Bed with the Mafia that does business on the island wouldn't they have handle this themselves by now?As we know the foundation of this Island is Corruption,drugs,prostitution,as well as money laundering i don't think their to concerned with tourism.The only way that tourism will affect them is if the "REAL" worker's on the island start to lose their jobs in masses due to tourism dollars dropping off.The Mafia will not pay for this out of their own pocket..

You would think they would have a handle on it by now, wouldn't you?  It seems like the average Aruban has already been hurt by this, not to mention the laundering of money through the casinos.  Maybe the laundering business is still working just fine?

What a crappy place.  Too bad I had never considered going there before.  Kinda makes my boycott of that rock a zero effect.

As we know they launder money.Would it not be even more evident as tourism dollars drop off.You can't continue to operate when a business isn't making money?The mafia is greedy and we all know that.How much money are they willing to lose on behalf of Paulus??His fingerprints must be on every dirty contract.I hope Kermit has the ability to research how many contracts,as well as which ones!I continue to go back to where is Paulus interjected into this Business on the island with his Jobs on the island??