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« Reply #820 on: December 21, 2008, 04:31:38 PM »


Even if Paulus is in Bed with the Mafia that does business on the island wouldn't they have handle this themselves by now?As we know the foundation of this Island is Corruption,drugs,prostitution,as well as money laundering i don't think their to concerned with tourism.The only way that tourism will affect them is if the "REAL" worker's on the island start to lose their jobs in masses due to tourism dollars dropping off.The Mafia will not pay for this out of their own pocket..

You would think they would have a handle on it by now, wouldn't you?  It seems like the average Aruban has already been hurt by this, not to mention the laundering of money through the casinos.  Maybe the laundering business is still working just fine?

What a crappy place.  Too bad I had never considered going there before.  Kinda makes my boycott of that rock a zero effect.

As we know they launder money.Would it not be even more evident as tourism dollars drop off.You can't continue to operate when a business isn't making money?The mafia is greedy and we all know that.How much money are they willing to lose on behalf of Paulus??His fingerprints must be on every dirty contract.I hope Kermit has the ability to research how many contracts,as well as which ones!I continue to go back to where is Paulus interjected into this Business on the island with his Jobs on the island??

All very good questions.  If this coverup is a result of Paulus being able to bring others down if they let him and/or his son get convicted, then there has to be a very good paper trail some where.  Without a paper trail, they could say everything Paulus would say was a lie.

So who are these people?  Posner? Riveroll?  Both?  Or others?  And how many government officials are getting their cuts?
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« Reply #821 on: December 21, 2008, 04:42:10 PM »


Even if Paulus is in Bed with the Mafia that does business on the island wouldn't they have handle this themselves by now?As we know the foundation of this Island is Corruption,drugs,prostitution,as well as money laundering i don't think their to concerned with tourism.The only way that tourism will affect them is if the "REAL" worker's on the island start to lose their jobs in masses due to tourism dollars dropping off.The Mafia will not pay for this out of their own pocket..

You would think they would have a handle on it by now, wouldn't you?  It seems like the average Aruban has already been hurt by this, not to mention the laundering of money through the casinos.  Maybe the laundering business is still working just fine?

What a crappy place.  Too bad I had never considered going there before.  Kinda makes my boycott of that rock a zero effect.

As we know they launder money.Would it not be even more evident as tourism dollars drop off.You can't continue to operate when a business isn't making money?The mafia is greedy and we all know that.How much money are they willing to lose on behalf of Paulus??His fingerprints must be on every dirty contract.I hope Kermit has the ability to research how many contracts,as well as which ones!I continue to go back to where is Paulus interjected into this Business on the island with his Jobs on the island??

All very good questions.  If this coverup is a result of Paulus being able to bring others down if they let him and/or his son get convicted, then there has to be a very good paper trail some where.  Without a paper trail, they could say everything Paulus would say was a lie.

So who are these people?  Posner? Riveroll?  Both?  Or others?  And how many government officials are getting their cuts?

Who does Paulus bank with in Aruba,The Netherlands,as well as anywhere else in the world?This very well may lead right back to the Hague,as well as "The Queen".You think she's gonna let Aruba wash hundreds of millions of dollars and not get a cut.With the round table is Aruba just asking for Laundered money back?Is the Netherlands not following their under the table aggreement so to speak?Let's think BIG Truthseeker..This has got to be BIG as to not bring down a small few for a horrific crime...
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« Reply #822 on: December 21, 2008, 04:42:15 PM »

No, money laundering can happen just as well with pretend tourists as real ones.  Just on the book occupancies, use dirty money to pay their stays and deposit it the same as though someone was really there.  I have to wonder if this has not been happening for years now.
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« Reply #823 on: December 21, 2008, 04:44:20 PM »

No, money laundering can happen just as well with pretend tourists as real ones.  Just on the book occupancies, use dirty money to pay their stays and deposit it the same as though someone was really there.  I have to wonder if this has not been happening for years now.

I agree Anna.So how do they "Cook" the books if the Airline books don't coincide with the Hotel books?Not that it matters.Just asking questions like usual.LOL
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« Reply #824 on: December 21, 2008, 04:45:44 PM »

No, money laundering can happen just as well with pretend tourists as real ones.  Just on the book occupancies, use dirty money to pay their stays and deposit it the same as though someone was really there.  I have to wonder if this has not been happening for years now.

I agree Anna.So how do they "Cook" the books if the Airline books don't coincide with the Hotel books?Not that it matters.Just asking questions like usual.LOL

So who does the accounting for these hotels in Aruba?How do we locate who the accountants are?They probably don't exist..LOL
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« Reply #825 on: December 21, 2008, 04:51:33 PM »


As of December 5, 2008 ... Hans Mos was still held the position of Aruban prosecutor but ... was not interested in questioning Joran van der Sloot in regards to his words in his interview with Greta ... in regards to his words implicating his father in the coverup encompassing the disappearance of Natalee Holloway.

It was my understanding that a prosecutor is suppose to be an advocate for the victim.  Joran and Paulus van der Sloot cannot lose.  The have defence attorneys ... those within the Aruban and Dutch administration and ... the prosecutor all working on their behalf.

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Natalee Holloway's Mom: Aruba Investigators 'Not Following Up on Any Leads'
Wednesday, November 19, 2008


VAN SUSTEREN: Karin Janssen was the original prosecutor and Hans Mos took over. When she left Aruba, did she call you and sort of tie up lose ends, or did she just sort of vanish from your radar screen?

HOLLOWAY: ... So you know, that's always been an issue, just no communication from the prosecuting attorney's office. And you know, it just leaves you wondering, you know, where are you? And you hear all this information coming them, saying that they're following up on every lead. Well, you know, that's just simply not true. They're not following up on any leads.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,454527,00.html


Holloway Attorney: Pleas for Arrest Met With 'Deafening Silence'
Wednesday, December 03, 2008


GRETA VAN SUSTEREN, FOX NEWS HOST: "Arrest them." That's what the lawyer for Natalee Holloway's family told the Aruban prosecutor. Joran van der Sloot told us "On the Record" that he sold Natalee Holloway on a beach in Aruba.

He also named names, including his own father.

Then Joran e-mailed us that he made the whole story up. Did he make it up, or did he send that email because he panicked after he realized what he told us on camera.

Now the Holloway family lawyer John Q. Kelly wants action. In a letter to Aruban Chief Prosecutor Hans Mos, Kelly calls for the arrest of Joran van der Sloot. Joran's father Paulus and the Kalpoe brothers are also included.

John Q. Kelly joins us. And John Q. Kelly, I hope you're not mad because we got the letter out of your client.

JOHN Q. KELLY, HOLLOWAY FAMILY ATTORNEY: That letter went out last Wednesday.

VAN SUSTEREN: I know. I got my hands on it a day or two ago, or last week.

KELLY: Sure.

VAN SUSTEREN: It's your letter. What do you want from Hans Mos, and what have you heard from him?

KELLY: Nothing but deafening silence out of Aruba. No, I haven't heard from him.

The point of the letter was, and if you remember last year, Greta, with great fanfare and press releases, and, you know, just all kinds of dog and pony show, they arrested the Kalpoe brothers and Joran for absolutely no reason, no new evidence. Just picked them up and held them for a month.

And now they have new evidence. You have a damning confession by Joran as to serious criminal conduct he engaged in, implicates others. And they haven't done anything with it. And everything Joran has said is consistent with the facts as we know them right now.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,460908,00.html


Holloway Cover-up By Aruban Law Enforcement?
Friday, December 05, 2008


GRETA VAN SUSTEREN, FOX NEWS HOST: ... John, let's get some timing, first of all. When did you send that letter asking to have the arrest? When was that sent?

JOHN Q. KELLY, ATTORNEY FOR HOLLOWAY FAMILY: Eight days ago. It would have been last Wednesday.

VAN SUSTEREN: All right. Get a response?

KELLY: No response to the letter. First phone call back was today, my cell phone.

VAN SUSTEREN: All right. When did you get -- when did you last make a phone call to Hans Mos?

KELLY: Yesterday morning.

VAN SUSTEREN: Before -- yesterday morning?

KELLY: Yes.

VAN SUSTEREN: And I take it you said, Call me back, right?

KELLY: Yes.

VAN SUSTEREN: OK. So what was your voicemail that met you today? What'd you get?

KELLY: Oh, I wouldn't call it nasty. I would say it was curt. He was clearly angry. And it was just basically two things. One, he said it was unfortunate, what I said about him on your show the other night, which, whatever it was, I stand by it 100 percent. And the second thing was, basically, Don't hold your breath on the letter you wrote me.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,462349,00.html
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« Reply #826 on: December 21, 2008, 04:52:11 PM »

No, money laundering can happen just as well with pretend tourists as real ones.  Just on the book occupancies, use dirty money to pay their stays and deposit it the same as though someone was really there.  I have to wonder if this has not been happening for years now.

I agree Anna.So how do they "Cook" the books if the Airline books don't coincide with the Hotel books?Not that it matters.Just asking questions like usual.LOL

Some cruise ships like Royal Dutch still go there.  I would imagine it is much harder to do so now with fewer airlines making flights but there is no way to keep tabs on how much gambling and losing what few tourists they do have might actually do.  Just run it through the casinos.

Remember the mafia used to run money through pizza parlors in this country.  I know a shoe shine parlor that used to be a front for something.  Never knew exactly what but knew not that many people in that neighborhood had shoes polished.  Same with some candy stores.  Fronts for something else.
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« Reply #827 on: December 21, 2008, 04:53:35 PM »

No, money laundering can happen just as well with pretend tourists as real ones.  Just on the book occupancies, use dirty money to pay their stays and deposit it the same as though someone was really there.  I have to wonder if this has not been happening for years now.

I agree Anna.So how do they "Cook" the books if the Airline books don't coincide with the Hotel books?Not that it matters.Just asking questions like usual.LOL

So who does the accounting for these hotels in Aruba?How do we locate who the accountants are?They probably don't exist..LOL


I don't think I want to phone Posner and ask, lol.
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« Reply #828 on: December 21, 2008, 04:56:22 PM »

There haven't been any announcements about Mos going anywhere.  Pieterz replaced Theresa Croes instead of Mos as we were told. 

Their revolving door of officials certainly keeps things in a constant state of confusion with no one being ultimately responsible for anything.
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« Reply #829 on: December 21, 2008, 05:00:40 PM »


I think we're all willing to hear kyle out.The continued protracted silence is disheartening to say the least!  Did you see my questions regarding ED Comemencia?Is there an accurate chronolgy of when and where is head popped up?



Firefighters Drain Lake in Search for Natalee
Tuesday, July 26, 2005
Associated Press


ORANJESTAD, Aruba  —

Aruban firefighters were draining a lake Tuesday in the search for an Alabama teenager who vanished nearly two months ago while vacationing in the island.

Edwin Comemencia, a police spokesman, confirmed that the draining of the lake across from the Marriott Hotel was part of the investigation into Natalee Holloway's (search) disappearance but would not comment further. A jailed Dutch youth has said he was with Holloway in the area the night she disappeared.

The draining was expected to take up to 24 hours.


Earlier Tuesday, Holloway's stepfather, George Twitty (search), said two new witnesses had come forward with information about the night she disappeared.

One witness told investigators that he saw Joran van der Sloot (search), the 17-year-old who has been detained as the main suspect, driving to a nightclub across the road from the Marriott Hotel around 2:30 a.m. the night Holloway disappeared, Twitty said.

The witness said van der Sloot tried to hide his face with his hands as he drove to the Racquet Club with two Surinamese brothers, Satish and Deepak Kalpoe, Twitty said. The Kalpoe brothers were detained as suspects and later released.

The stepfather said the account places the three individuals near the hotel beach where van der Sloot says he left 18-year-old Holloway alone the last night she was seen in public.

"What's interesting is the time — 2:30 a.m. — when the three were supposedly on their way home," said Twitty, referring to their previous accounts to investigators.

The witness, a gardener whose name was not disclosed, gave his account to investigators on Friday, Twitty said.

The Kalpoe brothers first told police that they and van der Sloot dropped Holloway at her hotel around 2 a.m. the morning of May 30. Later, they said they had lied to protect their friend and that they had dropped the Dutch youth and American teen at a beach near the hotel.

A second new witness told a private investigator hired by Holloway's family that she saw van der Sloot and the Kalpoe brothers drive into the Racquet Club three times that same night. The woman, who lives near the nightclub, has not yet spoken with investigators, he said.

Aruban authorities did not comment on the stepfather's statements.

An attorney for van der Sloot, Richie Kock, said authorities had not told him about the new witnesses. Lawyers for the Kalpoe brothers were not immediately available for comment.

No one has been charged in the case, and van der Sloot is the only suspect still detained.

Holloway vanished after an evening of eating, drinking and dancing at a nightclub which she left with the three young men, hours before she was to catch a flight home to Mountain Brook, Ala., at the end of a graduation trip with 124 classmates.

http://www.foxnews.com/printer_friendly_story/0,3566,163750,00.html

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« Reply #830 on: December 21, 2008, 05:03:16 PM »

Janet,

Under "their system" the prosecutor is supposed to be neutral party and an advocate for justice only.  The law speaks for the victim and attorneys for the defendants.

Mos is not technically an advocate for the victim but both parties and is to act in the interest of justice and the law only.  That is why it is also his responsibility to prevent people from harassing Joran in Aruba, etc.

If Aruba had no corruption laws as was posted on the Front Page here, I doubt they have any to reach into other countries like Thailand for doing anything to Joran for trying to sell girls.  And prostitution is legal in Aruba anyway so am sure Joran would say the girls wanted to do that.

But I had held out hope Thailand would lower the boom on him.  Maybe they still will and will catch him in something really serious.

That would still not address the need for justice for Natalee, however.
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« Reply #831 on: December 21, 2008, 05:04:24 PM »


I think we're all willing to hear kyle out.The continued protracted silence is disheartening to say the least!  Did you see my questions regarding ED Comemencia?Is there an accurate chronolgy of when and where is head popped up?



Firefighters Drain Lake in Search for Natalee
Tuesday, July 26, 2005
Associated Press


ORANJESTAD, Aruba  —

Aruban firefighters were draining a lake Tuesday in the search for an Alabama teenager who vanished nearly two months ago while vacationing in the island.

Edwin Comemencia, a police spokesman, confirmed that the draining of the lake across from the Marriott Hotel was part of the investigation into Natalee Holloway's (search) disappearance but would not comment further. A jailed Dutch youth has said he was with Holloway in the area the night she disappeared.

The draining was expected to take up to 24 hours.


Earlier Tuesday, Holloway's stepfather, George Twitty (search), said two new witnesses had come forward with information about the night she disappeared.

One witness told investigators that he saw Joran van der Sloot (search), the 17-year-old who has been detained as the main suspect, driving to a nightclub across the road from the Marriott Hotel around 2:30 a.m. the night Holloway disappeared, Twitty said.

The witness said van der Sloot tried to hide his face with his hands as he drove to the Racquet Club with two Surinamese brothers, Satish and Deepak Kalpoe, Twitty said. The Kalpoe brothers were detained as suspects and later released.

The stepfather said the account places the three individuals near the hotel beach where van der Sloot says he left 18-year-old Holloway alone the last night she was seen in public.

"What's interesting is the time — 2:30 a.m. — when the three were supposedly on their way home," said Twitty, referring to their previous accounts to investigators.

The witness, a gardener whose name was not disclosed, gave his account to investigators on Friday, Twitty said.

The Kalpoe brothers first told police that they and van der Sloot dropped Holloway at her hotel around 2 a.m. the morning of May 30. Later, they said they had lied to protect their friend and that they had dropped the Dutch youth and American teen at a beach near the hotel.

A second new witness told a private investigator hired by Holloway's family that she saw van der Sloot and the Kalpoe brothers drive into the Racquet Club three times that same night. The woman, who lives near the nightclub, has not yet spoken with investigators, he said.

Aruban authorities did not comment on the stepfather's statements.

An attorney for van der Sloot, Richie Kock, said authorities had not told him about the new witnesses. Lawyers for the Kalpoe brothers were not immediately available for comment.

No one has been charged in the case, and van der Sloot is the only suspect still detained.

Holloway vanished after an evening of eating, drinking and dancing at a nightclub which she left with the three young men, hours before she was to catch a flight home to Mountain Brook, Ala., at the end of a graduation trip with 124 classmates.

http://www.foxnews.com/printer_friendly_story/0,3566,163750,00.html



Aruba Cops Search Dutch Suspect's Home
Wednesday, June 15, 2005


A couple of Holloway's family members arrived on the scene Tuesday afternoon as police cordoned off several streets in front of the Marriott and investigators descended upon the swampy terrain next door.

Asked why police searched the area, Comemencia replied, "We got some information we needed to check."
He would not say if authorities were acting on what John said. He also declined to comment on whether any of the three young men still in custody had changed their versions of what happened the night the teen disappeared.

There is a small pond, perhaps four to six feet deep, in the underbrush that was being searched. A large fire truck pumper truck was parked on the road. Earlier, what appeared to be a generator was dropped off by a flatbed truck. Reporters said they saw the pond being slowly drained.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,159601,00.html
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« Reply #832 on: December 21, 2008, 05:10:33 PM »

I was always curious to who the "Fixer" was.Guess my question has been answered.I brought up the Movie with George clooney called "Michael Clayton"

Here's the summary..
Michael Clayton is Mr. Fix-It for his law firm, Kenner, Back and Odeen. A former District Attorney, Clayton uses his contacts in the police and the criminal justice system to bail out the firm's wealthy corporate clients. When one of the firm's senior partners, Arthur Edens, has a nervous breakdown while taking a deposition in a lawsuit against a major agrochemicals company, Clayton is dispatched to bring him home. What Clayton soon learns is Edens not only has doubts about defending the lawsuit but that the company may be acting on its own to ensure a positive outcome.

So Ed does the "Fixing" for all the DirtyFingers as he is the DirtyHand???
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« Reply #833 on: December 21, 2008, 05:13:16 PM »

Janet,

Under "their system" the prosecutor is supposed to be neutral party and an advocate for justice only.  The law speaks for the victim and attorneys for the defendants.

Mos is not technically an advocate for the victim but both parties and is to act in the interest of justice and the law only.  That is why it is also his responsibility to prevent people from harassing Joran in Aruba, etc.

If Aruba had no corruption laws as was posted on the Front Page here, I doubt they have any to reach into other countries like Thailand for doing anything to Joran for trying to sell girls.  And prostitution is legal in Aruba anyway so am sure Joran would say the girls wanted to do that.

But I had held out hope Thailand would lower the boom on him.  Maybe they still will and will catch him in something really serious.

That would still not address the need for justice for Natalee, however.

Is Joran really still in Thailand?  What, no Christmas in Aruba for Joran...persona non grata?
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« Reply #834 on: December 21, 2008, 05:26:52 PM »


I think we're all willing to hear kyle out.The continued protracted silence is disheartening to say the least!  Did you see my questions regarding ED Comemencia?Is there an accurate chronolgy of when and where is head popped up?



Firefighters Drain Lake in Search for Natalee
Tuesday, July 26, 2005
Associated Press


ORANJESTAD, Aruba  —

Aruban firefighters were draining a lake Tuesday in the search for an Alabama teenager who vanished nearly two months ago while vacationing in the island.

Edwin Comemencia, a police spokesman, confirmed that the draining of the lake across from the Marriott Hotel was part of the investigation into Natalee Holloway's (search) disappearance but would not comment further. A jailed Dutch youth has said he was with Holloway in the area the night she disappeared.

The draining was expected to take up to 24 hours.


Earlier Tuesday, Holloway's stepfather, George Twitty (search), said two new witnesses had come forward with information about the night she disappeared.

One witness told investigators that he saw Joran van der Sloot (search), the 17-year-old who has been detained as the main suspect, driving to a nightclub across the road from the Marriott Hotel around 2:30 a.m. the night Holloway disappeared, Twitty said.

The witness said van der Sloot tried to hide his face with his hands as he drove to the Racquet Club with two Surinamese brothers, Satish and Deepak Kalpoe, Twitty said. The Kalpoe brothers were detained as suspects and later released.

The stepfather said the account places the three individuals near the hotel beach where van der Sloot says he left 18-year-old Holloway alone the last night she was seen in public.

"What's interesting is the time — 2:30 a.m. — when the three were supposedly on their way home," said Twitty, referring to their previous accounts to investigators.

The witness, a gardener whose name was not disclosed, gave his account to investigators on Friday, Twitty said.

The Kalpoe brothers first told police that they and van der Sloot dropped Holloway at her hotel around 2 a.m. the morning of May 30. Later, they said they had lied to protect their friend and that they had dropped the Dutch youth and American teen at a beach near the hotel.

A second new witness told a private investigator hired by Holloway's family that she saw van der Sloot and the Kalpoe brothers drive into the Racquet Club three times that same night. The woman, who lives near the nightclub, has not yet spoken with investigators, he said.

Aruban authorities did not comment on the stepfather's statements.

An attorney for van der Sloot, Richie Kock, said authorities had not told him about the new witnesses. Lawyers for the Kalpoe brothers were not immediately available for comment.

No one has been charged in the case, and van der Sloot is the only suspect still detained.

Holloway vanished after an evening of eating, drinking and dancing at a nightclub which she left with the three young men, hours before she was to catch a flight home to Mountain Brook, Ala., at the end of a graduation trip with 124 classmates.

http://www.foxnews.com/printer_friendly_story/0,3566,163750,00.html



Aruba Cops Search Dutch Suspect's Home
Wednesday, June 15, 2005


A couple of Holloway's family members arrived on the scene Tuesday afternoon as police cordoned off several streets in front of the Marriott and investigators descended upon the swampy terrain next door.

Asked why police searched the area, Comemencia replied, "We got some information we needed to check."
He would not say if authorities were acting on what John said. He also declined to comment on whether any of the three young men still in custody had changed their versions of what happened the night the teen disappeared.

There is a small pond, perhaps four to six feet deep, in the underbrush that was being searched. A large fire truck pumper truck was parked on the road. Earlier, what appeared to be a generator was dropped off by a flatbed truck. Reporters said they saw the pond being slowly drained.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,159601,00.html


Keepthefaith ... I have left it up to you to compile the quotes I have provided into chronological order.

Janet

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Aruban PM Seeks Answers
Saturday , June 11, 2005


Police and volunteer land searches continued Wednesday with no results, while water searches, also unsuccessful, had been suspended "at this time," police spokesman Edwin Comenencia said.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,159006,00.html


Aruba Missing Teen
Posted: 8:38 AM Aug 1, 2005
Last Updated: 8:38 AM Aug 1, 2005
Reporter: Associated Press


A volunteer group searching for a missing Alabama teenager dug through a landfill in Aruba for a third day today (Sunday) but found no clues.

The search resumes tomorrow.

An Aruban man said he was at the landfill dropping off trash when he saw men dump and cover the body of a blonde female, two days after Natalee Holloway disappeared.

Police spokesman Edwin Comenencia said police searched the landfill after receiving the tip days after Holloway's disappearance May 30th, but found nothing.

He said the witness recently approached Holloway's family, who asked for another search.

http://www.wtvynews4.com/home/headlines/1756907.html


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Latest in Natalee Holloway Investigation
Aired July 29, 2005 - 21:00   ET


TIM MILLER, DIRECTOR, TEXAS EQUUSEARCH:  I -- I don't think he has anything to gain, for number one. I think he truly does fear. I think, you know, he's stuck to a story that he -- you know, I talked to the police commissioner this morning. The police commissioner says, you know, he's not one of the guys you'd probably want to hire to go to work for you or something like that, but he's sticking to that story. And we've interviewed him. We sent the FBI out there, you know, and no matter what his mental condition is or his IQ is, a lot of times, it's these type of people that see something that help solve cases.

So anyhow, again, we've got a big task ahead of us. I think tomorrow also, we're going to be bringing in that gas detection device that we've got, to go back into the pond, and then we're using the ground penetration radar systems to be in another area. So we're going to be spread real thin tomorrow, but I think the area that we're focused on the very most, where we're going to have most of our people is at the dump.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0507/29/lkl.01.html
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« Reply #835 on: December 21, 2008, 05:37:09 PM »

No, money laundering can happen just as well with pretend tourists as real ones.  Just on the book occupancies, use dirty money to pay their stays and deposit it the same as though someone was really there.  I have to wonder if this has not been happening for years now.

I agree Anna.So how do they "Cook" the books if the Airline books don't coincide with the Hotel books?Not that it matters.Just asking questions like usual.LOL

I think for that exact reason, other industries would have to be involved, that "pretend"
tourists are not the case. They can't just appear there. I agree that tourism is one hand that stirs the dirty pot of money laundering down there. Hence more flights, cheaper flights, cheaper stays, "give aways", increased Venezuelan/South American tourists, music concerts, and lately I notice a push on weddings away.
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« Reply #836 on: December 21, 2008, 05:51:15 PM »


I think we're all willing to hear kyle out.The continued protracted silence is disheartening to say the least!  Did you see my questions regarding ED Comemencia?Is there an accurate chronolgy of when and where is head popped up?



Firefighters Drain Lake in Search for Natalee
Tuesday, July 26, 2005
Associated Press


Thanx Janet! One of the men behind the cover-up.

ORANJESTAD, Aruba  —

Aruban firefighters were draining a lake Tuesday in the search for an Alabama teenager who vanished nearly two months ago while vacationing in the island.

Edwin Comemencia, a police spokesman, confirmed that the draining of the lake across from the Marriott Hotel was part of the investigation into Natalee Holloway's (search) disappearance but would not comment further. A jailed Dutch youth has said he was with Holloway in the area the night she disappeared.

The draining was expected to take up to 24 hours.


Earlier Tuesday, Holloway's stepfather, George Twitty (search), said two new witnesses had come forward with information about the night she disappeared.

One witness told investigators that he saw Joran van der Sloot (search), the 17-year-old who has been detained as the main suspect, driving to a nightclub across the road from the Marriott Hotel around 2:30 a.m. the night Holloway disappeared, Twitty said.

The witness said van der Sloot tried to hide his face with his hands as he drove to the Racquet Club with two Surinamese brothers, Satish and Deepak Kalpoe, Twitty said. The Kalpoe brothers were detained as suspects and later released.

The stepfather said the account places the three individuals near the hotel beach where van der Sloot says he left 18-year-old Holloway alone the last night she was seen in public.

"What's interesting is the time — 2:30 a.m. — when the three were supposedly on their way home," said Twitty, referring to their previous accounts to investigators.

The witness, a gardener whose name was not disclosed, gave his account to investigators on Friday, Twitty said.

The Kalpoe brothers first told police that they and van der Sloot dropped Holloway at her hotel around 2 a.m. the morning of May 30. Later, they said they had lied to protect their friend and that they had dropped the Dutch youth and American teen at a beach near the hotel.

A second new witness told a private investigator hired by Holloway's family that she saw van der Sloot and the Kalpoe brothers drive into the Racquet Club three times that same night. The woman, who lives near the nightclub, has not yet spoken with investigators, he said.

Aruban authorities did not comment on the stepfather's statements.

An attorney for van der Sloot, Richie Kock, said authorities had not told him about the new witnesses. Lawyers for the Kalpoe brothers were not immediately available for comment.

No one has been charged in the case, and van der Sloot is the only suspect still detained.

Holloway vanished after an evening of eating, drinking and dancing at a nightclub which she left with the three young men, hours before she was to catch a flight home to Mountain Brook, Ala., at the end of a graduation trip with 124 classmates.

http://www.foxnews.com/printer_friendly_story/0,3566,163750,00.html



Aruba Cops Search Dutch Suspect's Home
Wednesday, June 15, 2005


A couple of Holloway's family members arrived on the scene Tuesday afternoon as police cordoned off several streets in front of the Marriott and investigators descended upon the swampy terrain next door.

Asked why police searched the area, Comemencia replied, "We got some information we needed to check."
He would not say if authorities were acting on what John said. He also declined to comment on whether any of the three young men still in custody had changed their versions of what happened the night the teen disappeared.

There is a small pond, perhaps four to six feet deep, in the underbrush that was being searched. A large fire truck pumper truck was parked on the road. Earlier, what appeared to be a generator was dropped off by a flatbed truck. Reporters said they saw the pond being slowly drained.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,159601,00.html


Keepthefaith ... I have left it up to you to compile the quotes I have provided into chronological order.

Janet

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Aruban PM Seeks Answers
Saturday , June 11, 2005


Police and volunteer land searches continued Wednesday with no results, while water searches, also unsuccessful, had been suspended "at this time," police spokesman Edwin Comenencia said.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,159006,00.html


Aruba Missing Teen
Posted: 8:38 AM Aug 1, 2005
Last Updated: 8:38 AM Aug 1, 2005
Reporter: Associated Press


A volunteer group searching for a missing Alabama teenager dug through a landfill in Aruba for a third day today (Sunday) but found no clues.

The search resumes tomorrow.

An Aruban man said he was at the landfill dropping off trash when he saw men dump and cover the body of a blonde female, two days after Natalee Holloway disappeared.

Police spokesman Edwin Comenencia said police searched the landfill after receiving the tip days after Holloway's disappearance May 30th, but found nothing.

He said the witness recently approached Holloway's family, who asked for another search.

http://www.wtvynews4.com/home/headlines/1756907.html


CNN LARRY KING LIVE
Latest in Natalee Holloway Investigation
Aired July 29, 2005 - 21:00   ET


TIM MILLER, DIRECTOR, TEXAS EQUUSEARCH:  I -- I don't think he has anything to gain, for number one. I think he truly does fear. I think, you know, he's stuck to a story that he -- you know, I talked to the police commissioner this morning. The police commissioner says, you know, he's not one of the guys you'd probably want to hire to go to work for you or something like that, but he's sticking to that story. And we've interviewed him. We sent the FBI out there, you know, and no matter what his mental condition is or his IQ is, a lot of times, it's these type of people that see something that help solve cases.

So anyhow, again, we've got a big task ahead of us. I think tomorrow also, we're going to be bringing in that gas detection device that we've got, to go back into the pond, and then we're using the ground penetration radar systems to be in another area. So we're going to be spread real thin tomorrow, but I think the area that we're focused on the very most, where we're going to have most of our people is at the dump.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0507/29/lkl.01.html

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« Reply #837 on: December 21, 2008, 05:53:50 PM »


I think we're all willing to hear kyle out.The continued protracted silence is disheartening to say the least!  Did you see my questions regarding ED Comemencia?Is there an accurate chronolgy of when and where is head popped up?



Firefighters Drain Lake in Search for Natalee
Tuesday, July 26, 2005
Associated Press


Thanx Janet! One of the men behind the cover-up.

ORANJESTAD, Aruba  —

Aruban firefighters were draining a lake Tuesday in the search for an Alabama teenager who vanished nearly two months ago while vacationing in the island.

Edwin Comemencia, a police spokesman, confirmed that the draining of the lake across from the Marriott Hotel was part of the investigation into Natalee Holloway's (search) disappearance but would not comment further. A jailed Dutch youth has said he was with Holloway in the area the night she disappeared.

The draining was expected to take up to 24 hours.


Earlier Tuesday, Holloway's stepfather, George Twitty (search), said two new witnesses had come forward with information about the night she disappeared.

One witness told investigators that he saw Joran van der Sloot (search), the 17-year-old who has been detained as the main suspect, driving to a nightclub across the road from the Marriott Hotel around 2:30 a.m. the night Holloway disappeared, Twitty said.

The witness said van der Sloot tried to hide his face with his hands as he drove to the Racquet Club with two Surinamese brothers, Satish and Deepak Kalpoe, Twitty said. The Kalpoe brothers were detained as suspects and later released.

The stepfather said the account places the three individuals near the hotel beach where van der Sloot says he left 18-year-old Holloway alone the last night she was seen in public.

"What's interesting is the time — 2:30 a.m. — when the three were supposedly on their way home," said Twitty, referring to their previous accounts to investigators.

The witness, a gardener whose name was not disclosed, gave his account to investigators on Friday, Twitty said.

The Kalpoe brothers first told police that they and van der Sloot dropped Holloway at her hotel around 2 a.m. the morning of May 30. Later, they said they had lied to protect their friend and that they had dropped the Dutch youth and American teen at a beach near the hotel.

A second new witness told a private investigator hired by Holloway's family that she saw van der Sloot and the Kalpoe brothers drive into the Racquet Club three times that same night. The woman, who lives near the nightclub, has not yet spoken with investigators, he said.

Aruban authorities did not comment on the stepfather's statements.

An attorney for van der Sloot, Richie Kock, said authorities had not told him about the new witnesses. Lawyers for the Kalpoe brothers were not immediately available for comment.

No one has been charged in the case, and van der Sloot is the only suspect still detained.

Holloway vanished after an evening of eating, drinking and dancing at a nightclub which she left with the three young men, hours before she was to catch a flight home to Mountain Brook, Ala., at the end of a graduation trip with 124 classmates.

http://www.foxnews.com/printer_friendly_story/0,3566,163750,00.html



Aruba Cops Search Dutch Suspect's Home
Wednesday, June 15, 2005


A couple of Holloway's family members arrived on the scene Tuesday afternoon as police cordoned off several streets in front of the Marriott and investigators descended upon the swampy terrain next door.

Asked why police searched the area, Comemencia replied, "We got some information we needed to check."
He would not say if authorities were acting on what John said. He also declined to comment on whether any of the three young men still in custody had changed their versions of what happened the night the teen disappeared.

There is a small pond, perhaps four to six feet deep, in the underbrush that was being searched. A large fire truck pumper truck was parked on the road. Earlier, what appeared to be a generator was dropped off by a flatbed truck. Reporters said they saw the pond being slowly drained.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,159601,00.html


Keepthefaith ... I have left it up to you to compile the quotes I have provided into chronological order.

Janet

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Aruban PM Seeks Answers
Saturday , June 11, 2005


Police and volunteer land searches continued Wednesday with no results, while water searches, also unsuccessful, had been suspended "at this time," police spokesman Edwin Comenencia said.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,159006,00.html


Aruba Missing Teen
Posted: 8:38 AM Aug 1, 2005
Last Updated: 8:38 AM Aug 1, 2005
Reporter: Associated Press


A volunteer group searching for a missing Alabama teenager dug through a landfill in Aruba for a third day today (Sunday) but found no clues.

The search resumes tomorrow.

An Aruban man said he was at the landfill dropping off trash when he saw men dump and cover the body of a blonde female, two days after Natalee Holloway disappeared.

Police spokesman Edwin Comenencia said police searched the landfill after receiving the tip days after Holloway's disappearance May 30th, but found nothing.

He said the witness recently approached Holloway's family, who asked for another search.

http://www.wtvynews4.com/home/headlines/1756907.html


CNN LARRY KING LIVE
Latest in Natalee Holloway Investigation
Aired July 29, 2005 - 21:00   ET


TIM MILLER, DIRECTOR, TEXAS EQUUSEARCH:  I -- I don't think he has anything to gain, for number one. I think he truly does fear. I think, you know, he's stuck to a story that he -- you know, I talked to the police commissioner this morning. The police commissioner says, you know, he's not one of the guys you'd probably want to hire to go to work for you or something like that, but he's sticking to that story. And we've interviewed him. We sent the FBI out there, you know, and no matter what his mental condition is or his IQ is, a lot of times, it's these type of people that see something that help solve cases.

So anyhow, again, we've got a big task ahead of us. I think tomorrow also, we're going to be bringing in that gas detection device that we've got, to go back into the pond, and then we're using the ground penetration radar systems to be in another area. So we're going to be spread real thin tomorrow, but I think the area that we're focused on the very most, where we're going to have most of our people is at the dump.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0507/29/lkl.01.html



Messed that last one up.LOL

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« Reply #838 on: December 21, 2008, 05:57:49 PM »


I think we're all willing to hear kyle out.The continued protracted silence is disheartening to say the least!  Did you see my questions regarding ED Comemencia?Is there an accurate chronolgy of when and where is head popped up?



Firefighters Drain Lake in Search for Natalee
Tuesday, July 26, 2005
Associated Press


ORANJESTAD, Aruba  —

Aruban firefighters were draining a lake Tuesday in the search for an Alabama teenager who vanished nearly two months ago while vacationing in the island.

Edwin Comemencia, a police spokesman, confirmed that the draining of the lake across from the Marriott Hotel was part of the investigation into Natalee Holloway's (search) disappearance but would not comment further. A jailed Dutch youth has said he was with Holloway in the area the night she disappeared.

The draining was expected to take up to 24 hours.


Earlier Tuesday, Holloway's stepfather, George Twitty (search), said two new witnesses had come forward with information about the night she disappeared.

One witness told investigators that he saw Joran van der Sloot (search), the 17-year-old who has been detained as the main suspect, driving to a nightclub across the road from the Marriott Hotel around 2:30 a.m. the night Holloway disappeared, Twitty said.

The witness said van der Sloot tried to hide his face with his hands as he drove to the Racquet Club with two Surinamese brothers, Satish and Deepak Kalpoe, Twitty said. The Kalpoe brothers were detained as suspects and later released.

The stepfather said the account places the three individuals near the hotel beach where van der Sloot says he left 18-year-old Holloway alone the last night she was seen in public.

"What's interesting is the time — 2:30 a.m. — when the three were supposedly on their way home," said Twitty, referring to their previous accounts to investigators.

The witness, a gardener whose name was not disclosed, gave his account to investigators on Friday, Twitty said.

The Kalpoe brothers first told police that they and van der Sloot dropped Holloway at her hotel around 2 a.m. the morning of May 30. Later, they said they had lied to protect their friend and that they had dropped the Dutch youth and American teen at a beach near the hotel.

A second new witness told a private investigator hired by Holloway's family that she saw van der Sloot and the Kalpoe brothers drive into the Racquet Club three times that same night. The woman, who lives near the nightclub, has not yet spoken with investigators, he said.

Aruban authorities did not comment on the stepfather's statements.

An attorney for van der Sloot, Richie Kock, said authorities had not told him about the new witnesses. Lawyers for the Kalpoe brothers were not immediately available for comment.

No one has been charged in the case, and van der Sloot is the only suspect still detained.

Holloway vanished after an evening of eating, drinking and dancing at a nightclub which she left with the three young men, hours before she was to catch a flight home to Mountain Brook, Ala., at the end of a graduation trip with 124 classmates.

http://www.foxnews.com/printer_friendly_story/0,3566,163750,00.html



Aruba Cops Search Dutch Suspect's Home
Wednesday, June 15, 2005


A couple of Holloway's family members arrived on the scene Tuesday afternoon as police cordoned off several streets in front of the Marriott and investigators descended upon the swampy terrain next door.

Asked why police searched the area, Comemencia replied, "We got some information we needed to check."
He would not say if authorities were acting on what John said. He also declined to comment on whether any of the three young men still in custody had changed their versions of what happened the night the teen disappeared.

There is a small pond, perhaps four to six feet deep, in the underbrush that was being searched. A large fire truck pumper truck was parked on the road. Earlier, what appeared to be a generator was dropped off by a flatbed truck. Reporters said they saw the pond being slowly drained.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,159601,00.html


Keepthefaith ... I have left it up to you to compile the quotes I have provided into chronological order.

Janet

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Aruban PM Seeks Answers
Saturday , June 11, 2005


Police and volunteer land searches continued Wednesday with no results, while water searches, also unsuccessful, had been suspended "at this time," police spokesman Edwin Comenencia said.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,159006,00.html


Aruba Missing Teen
Posted: 8:38 AM Aug 1, 2005
Last Updated: 8:38 AM Aug 1, 2005
Reporter: Associated Press


A volunteer group searching for a missing Alabama teenager dug through a landfill in Aruba for a third day today (Sunday) but found no clues.

The search resumes tomorrow.

An Aruban man said he was at the landfill dropping off trash when he saw men dump and cover the body of a blonde female, two days after Natalee Holloway disappeared.

Police spokesman Edwin Comenencia said police searched the landfill after receiving the tip days after Holloway's disappearance May 30th, but found nothing.

He said the witness recently approached Holloway's family, who asked for another search.

http://www.wtvynews4.com/home/headlines/1756907.html


CNN LARRY KING LIVE
Latest in Natalee Holloway Investigation
Aired July 29, 2005 - 21:00   ET


TIM MILLER, DIRECTOR, TEXAS EQUUSEARCH:  I -- I don't think he has anything to gain, for number one. I think he truly does fear. I think, you know, he's stuck to a story that he -- you know, I talked to the police commissioner this morning. The police commissioner says, you know, he's not one of the guys you'd probably want to hire to go to work for you or something like that, but he's sticking to that story. And we've interviewed him. We sent the FBI out there, you know, and no matter what his mental condition is or his IQ is, a lot of times, it's these type of people that see something that help solve cases.

So anyhow, again, we've got a big task ahead of us. I think tomorrow also, we're going to be bringing in that gas detection device that we've got, to go back into the pond, and then we're using the ground penetration radar systems to be in another area. So we're going to be spread real thin tomorrow, but I think the area that we're focused on the very most, where we're going to have most of our people is at the dump.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0507/29/lkl.01.html


Keepthefaith

The quotes I have compiled for you reveal that Edwin Comemencia was involved in the following aspects of the Natalee Holloway investigation.

1.  Official search.
2.  Mariott pond search.
3.  Racquet Ball Club pond search.
4.  Landfill search
5.  Security Guards' detainment.

Janet
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Aruba's Government Asks for Help in Search
Tuesday, June 07, 2005


Aruban police in unmarked cars accompanied by FBI agents made a pre-dawn raid at 5 a.m. Sunday, rousting two suspects aged 28 and 30 from their beds.

An AP photographer watched as the rumpled men — one from the De Vuiyst housing project for poorer islanders and another from an average home in southeast San Nicolas — emerged without resistance, hands cuffed behind their backs.

Police searched the homes and emerged with what looked like a metal safe deposit box and a garbage bag of clothing.

Police spokesman Edwin Comemencia said that authorities had not ruled out the possibility that other people were involved. The two men in custody were not among three others described Saturday by police as "persons of interest."

"I think there are more suspects ... we're going to arrest more" people in connection with the case, Comemencia told FOX News on Monday.


Authorities declined to comment whether there was a relationship between the suspects and other three, earlier described as students — two Surinamese and a native of the Netherlands — who told police they dropped off Holloway at her hotel around 2 a.m. on May 30. Hotel employees, however, say that security cameras did not record her return.

Comemencia also said that he didn't believe Holloway ever returned to her hotel. "The investigation looks like, that night, she never returned to her hotel," Comemencia told FOX News.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,158666,00.html

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« Reply #839 on: December 21, 2008, 06:50:51 PM »

Can anyone recall if it was Edwin 'Papito' Commencia who owned Papito's towing as the company that towed the VDS jeep? I seem to recall this as having been discussed, and again puts 'Papito' back in the picture.

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