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« Reply #880 on: December 22, 2008, 07:05:09 PM »

RIGHT NOW!!!!

CNN HEADLINER

JANE VALDEZ-MICHELL - NATALEE HOLLOWAY

4:00 PM PT


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« Reply #881 on: December 22, 2008, 07:07:05 PM »

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« Reply #882 on: December 22, 2008, 07:11:20 PM »

hammering Joran and Aruba! Great to have Wendy Murphy on CNN.
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« Reply #883 on: December 22, 2008, 07:27:49 PM »

hammering Joran and Aruba! Great to have Wendy Murphy on CNN.

Give me an update Frank!TIA.
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« Reply #884 on: December 22, 2008, 07:35:26 PM »

RIGHT NOW!!!!

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JANE VALDEZ-MICHELL - NATALEE HOLLOWAY

4:00 PM PT




 

I just got in so I'm hoping someone will report what was said!!!!
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I stand with the girl, Natalee Holloway.

"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

Beth Holloway, 2015 interview with Greta van Susteren
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« Reply #885 on: December 22, 2008, 08:00:34 PM »

Here is a little of what Wendy Murphy said:

It's a show about War on Women and they are talking about various cases.  Natalee's case was first and they were talking about Joran and the DeVries and how Joran said Natalee died in his arms.  Jane Valeze Mitchell said if this case were happening in the United States would that Joran be charged right now.  Wendy Murphy said yes and what a nice guy I was shaking the B word OMG.  She said you know this was a guy who was so arrogant about it you would think somebody might say even if we're going to lose lets just go forward.  Because you don't want to send a message that women's lives are so devalued that an arrogant guy like this should be able to flaunt it and walk around free as if he's been spitting on the sidewalk.  She said look there is a confession.  I don't care if somebody wants to say well it's not a real confession and then he recanted.  It's a confession and if that were the only thing we have I'd still be pushing.  But we have what I call a confession plus in this case.  Plus multiple inconsistent statements and he was the last one seen with her.  If that isn't a strong case I don't know what is.  But here is the point we don't value women enough in this country or in any other country.  When you talk about an American woman's life her that's bad enough.  An American woman's life in a foreign country please!!!
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« Reply #886 on: December 22, 2008, 08:04:21 PM »

Thanks San!!!!   
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"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

Beth Holloway, 2015 interview with Greta van Susteren
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« Reply #887 on: December 22, 2008, 08:05:39 PM »

Thanks San!!!!   

There were other people talking and Wendy got into with another attorney but I didn't write that part.
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« Reply #888 on: December 22, 2008, 08:10:58 PM »

Thanks San!!!!   

There were other people talking and Wendy got into with another attorney but I didn't write that part.

You did great, San.
How many times does Joran have to confess?  It is just stupid!
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« Reply #889 on: December 22, 2008, 08:19:56 PM »

Jane Valdez Mitchel is not necessarily my favorite talk show host but ... she was right on when she implied that Joran van der Sloot's involvement with transporting Thai "dancing" girls to the Netherlands for the purpose of prostitution ... was just a extention of his involvement in the Natalee Holloway.  Women are nothing to this young man.  Women are not worthy of respect.

Maybe ... just maybe ... if Joran ... who was a 17 year old minor in 2005 ... had not been protected by his parents ... not been protected by the "powers that be" in the Dutch/Aruban administrations and ... had been forced to take personal and legal responsibility for his participation in the events on the morning of May 30, 2005 ... a valuable lesson in regards to accountability would have been learned and ... his path in life could have taken a different direction.

Also ... the family of Natalee Holloway would have had a measure of closure a long time ago and ... would have been spared this 3 1/2 year nightmare.

However ... the only lesson that Joran learned was that the moral and legal boundaries established by a civilized society do not apply to him.  Therefore ... future "Natalees" who come in contact with Joran will continue to be at risk.

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« Reply #890 on: December 22, 2008, 08:26:17 PM »

Jane Valdez Mitchel is not necessarily my favorite talk show host but ... she was right on when she implied that Joran van der Sloot's involvement with transporting Thai "dancing" girls to the Netherlands for the purpose of prostitution ... was just a extention of his involvement in the Natalee Holloway.  Women are nothing to this young man.  Women are not worthy of respect.

Maybe ... just maybe ... if Joran ... who was a 17 year old minor in 2005 ... had not been protected by his parents ... not been protected by the "powers that be" in the Dutch/Aruban administrations and ... had been forced to take personal and legal responsibility for his participation in the events on the morning of May 30, 2005 ... a valuable lesson in regards to accountability would have been learned and ... his path in life could have taken a different direction.

Also ... the family of Natalee Holloway would have had a measure of closure a long time ago and ... would have been spared this 3 1/2 year nightmare.

However ... the only lesson that Joran learned was that the moral and legal boundaries established by a civilized society do not apply to him.  Therefore ... future "Natalees" who come in contact with Joran will continue to be at risk.

Janet 

Great post Janet!   So true! 
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I stand with the girl, Natalee Holloway.

"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

Beth Holloway, 2015 interview with Greta van Susteren
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« Reply #891 on: December 22, 2008, 08:28:31 PM »

Thanks San!!!!   

There were other people talking and Wendy got into with another attorney but I didn't write that part.

You did great, San.
How many times does Joran have to confess?  It is just stupid!

It is pathetic what Aruba is doing.
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« Reply #892 on: December 22, 2008, 08:50:14 PM »

12/22/2008 Bondia

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I stand with the girl, Natalee Holloway.

"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

Beth Holloway, 2015 interview with Greta van Susteren
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« Reply #893 on: December 22, 2008, 11:08:30 PM »

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`Sexual intimidation in Aruba House'

22 Dec, 2008, 15:17 (GMT -04:00)

Oranjestad - A secretary of the Aruba House in The Hague made submitted charges against the Aruban representation in the Netherlands because of sexual intimidation. The daily Awe Mainta has published this over the weekend on the basis of an anonymous source. The Aruba House has been closed because of the Christmas holidays and up to beginning of January is not available for comment.

According to Awe Mainta furthermore it seems the Aruba House more and more has become like a social club house for the MEP where other improper practices take place instead of the actual embassy work that the Aruban staff in the Netherlands is supposed to carry out. These practices have something to do with consuming much alcohol on 'happy hours' in the 'rumshop' Aruba House.

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/printer_50798.php

seems like the Aruba House has become known as the 'rumshop'.

background info about Aruba House (embassy of Aruba in The Hague):
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minister_Plenipotentiary_of_Aruba
http://www.arubahuis.nl/
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« Reply #894 on: December 23, 2008, 01:35:50 AM »

I can never find the Murder and Crime Thread..sorry.

Translated from Amigoe Dec 22, 2008:

   
SAN NICOLAS - A 46-year-old American tourist is Friday night in San Nicolas, near a bar in the B. Van Veen Zeppenfeldtstraat, robbed by strangers. This is his wallet, with money and credit cards, taken by the thieves. The tourist was injured during the robbery and was taken to hospital for treatment.
The victim was one, also American, a friend in the evening 'Chocolate City' go steps. During the trip at some point split up to individual bars to visit. When the time later a woman came out, she saw her friend on street. He was currently unconscious and bleeding from his mouth. When he once appeared conscious that he was a cut on his lip, but the victim could not remember the incident. He knew the police have to tell that his wallet containing $ 200 in cash and two credit cards, had disappeared. The injured tourists were removed by ambulance for medical monitoring and treatment.

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/printer_50797.php
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« Reply #895 on: December 23, 2008, 02:32:18 AM »

Will Joran go home for Christmas, (if he's not already there)?  If so, how will those outside of the Vandersloot home respond?  The post below was after the Peter/Patrick tapes, I wonder how the Aruban people feel after the latest story from Joran.  And after the latest from Rudy Croes.  The Joran/Paul/Jan conspiracy was printed in at least one Aruban newspaper back in September; but nothing much came of it.  Now it's back and I don't think it's going away this time.  I hope not anyway. 

http://www.aruba-bb.com/viewtopic.php?t=54632

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February 7th 2008, Aruba.
 
Arubans still feel attacked by the U.S. media.
Many believe the pride of Aruba has been tarnished.

ORANJESTAD-Hundreds of locals expressed their anger on radio shows
and via e-mail to newspapers after watching the "confession-on-tape" on
Monday evening. Arubans reacted massively against Joran van der Sloot,
and that for the first time since the disappearance of Natalee Holloway on
May 30th, 2005.

For the past 2 years the public on the island gave Joran van der Sloot the
benefit of the doubt, in that he was involved in the disappearance of
Natalee. There was no blood, no body, and no evidence of a murder.
Many on the island believed that Natalee was still alive, and was in hiding
somewhere. Others believed that she may have accidentally drowned at
sea, after she was left alone by Joran on the beach.

At least 5,000 government employees were granted two days free, to
help with the search for Natalee in 2005. Dutch F-16 planes were sent to
scan the entire island for a body recently buried underground. Thousands
of volunteers helped search for the missing teen without any result.
There was a search every day for months. And the government was
spending millions in the investigation.

Arubans felt that they were constantly attacked by the U.S. media, and at
times by the Holloway family. That did not help with having sympathy for
the Holloway family, and it certainly did not help the case. In the contrary
Arubans shifted in a defensive mode, and felt that their pride was being
attacked by the media. Arubans felt nothing that they did to help find
Natalee was appreciated.

The Dutch crime reporter, Peter R. de Vries started to investigate the
case at the beginning of 2007. De Vries has spent months studying the
investigation reports, and interviewing those involved in the case. Patrick
van der Eem –a 34 year old Antillean- approached De Vries in The
Netherlands in the middle of 2007, he wanted to help out solving the case.

De Vries hired Van der Eem as an undercover thug that would make
Joran comfortable enough to tell exactly what happened that night. Joran
told his story on different occasions while Van der Eem was driving, and
it was all captured on hidden camera.

Van der Eem is a businessman in Arnhem who loves Aruba, and wanted
closure for the parents of Natalee. In addition, he was tired of the bad
press Aruba has been getting. With the story of Joran on tape, De Vries
added the pieces of the puzzle together and claimed he has solved the
disappearance of Natalee Holloway. His program was broadcasted on
Monday evening to the Aruban public.


"Joran is a psychopath, he has lied to everyone on the island." said an
angry water-sports businesswoman, who did not want her name to be
made public. "I feel so sorry for Natalee, and her parents who had to go
through years of uncertainty as to what happened to their daughter. Our
island will suffer for a long time too, we will bare the consequences of the
actions of one man. My colleague of Pennsylvania was told by his family,
are you going again to that murder island? A person on CNN also
advised tourists that they are better off in Bermuda.''

Management Consultant, Mathilde Robles said that she knew Joran van
der Sloot by face. "He seems like a nice guy, and I did not want to pre-
judge him. But now after watching the program on Monday, I am certain
that he is behind the disappearance of Natalee, he himself has admitted
it."

Robles is shocked on Van der Sloot's comment, that he can not believe
that this has happened to him. "If the judge does not punish this man, we
the Arubans will," said Robles.

Joran van der Sloot said on different occasions that he felt particularly
sorry for the Aruban community. The image of Aruba as the safest
country in the Caribbean has been tarnished ever since the
disappearance of Natalee Holloway.

According to the government, the case has cost the island tens of millions
of dollars. Tourism from the U.S. fell by 9 percent during 2006. Aruba is
70 percent dependent on the U.S. generating market. There are barely
arrivals from Alabama, the state of Natalee Holloway. The Governor of
Alabama has imposed a travel boycott to Aruba.

Public anger is also directed to the father of Joran, Paul van der Sloot,
mainly because Paul has smuggled a cellular phone to his son in prison.
Many on the island now believe that the family Van der Sloot is out for
the money. Paul van der Sloot said earlier that he would sew the country
of Aruba, because he was held as suspect in the disappearance of
Natalee. On tape, Joran said he will also sew, and wants to cash in big
time for a house in Spain.

Emotions ran so high, there were a few people who expressed that
the Van der Sloot family should be deported from Aruba.

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I stand with the girl, Natalee Holloway.

"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

Beth Holloway, 2015 interview with Greta van Susteren
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« Reply #896 on: December 23, 2008, 02:42:47 AM »

I doubt Joran will go back to Aruba now or ever.....I want to believe that the whole Sloot gang will pack up soon.... that is if Paulus isn't arrested...Wow wouldn't that be Great.....maybe they'll even figure out Anita's part in Natalee's disappearance and She can join Paulus in ajoining cells....lol....Well heck if You're going to wish You might as well wish big....  
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« Reply #897 on: December 23, 2008, 02:44:45 AM »

Good Night TM and Guests! 
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« Reply #898 on: December 23, 2008, 02:46:34 AM »

Good Night TM and Guests! 

I'm wishing big too, Hotping! 

Goodnight! 

 
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I stand with the girl, Natalee Holloway.

"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

Beth Holloway, 2015 interview with Greta van Susteren
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« Reply #899 on: December 23, 2008, 08:35:02 AM »

I can never find the Murder and Crime Thread..sorry.

Translated from Amigoe Dec 22, 2008:

   
SAN NICOLAS - A 46-year-old American tourist is Friday night in San Nicolas, near a bar in the B. Van Veen Zeppenfeldtstraat, robbed by strangers. This is his wallet, with money and credit cards, taken by the thieves. The tourist was injured during the robbery and was taken to hospital for treatment.
The victim was one, also American, a friend in the evening 'Chocolate City' go steps. During the trip at some point split up to individual bars to visit. When the time later a woman came out, she saw her friend on street. He was currently unconscious and bleeding from his mouth. When he once appeared conscious that he was a cut on his lip, but the victim could not remember the incident. He knew the police have to tell that his wallet containing $ 200 in cash and two credit cards, had disappeared. The injured tourists were removed by ambulance for medical monitoring and treatment.

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/printer_50797.php



Good Morning, All!


Buckshot, the Murder and Crime Thread Link is always in both mine and Ms Marple's signatures. 

Doesn't help much unless we have made a post when you need it but that's one place to find it.


Murder & Crime on Aruba Summary http://tinyurl.com/2nus7c


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