Natalee Case Discussion #786 12/17/08 - 12/24/08

[texasmom]

Goodnight everyone!   

[EURobert]

PATRICK VAN DER EEM ARRESTED FOR BEATING UP HIS WIFE!!!

http://tinyurl.com/4ju3ng

[EURobert]

PATRICK VAN DER EEM ARRESTED FOR BEATING UP HIS WIFE!!!

http://tinyurl.com/4ju3ng

And in the Telegraaf:

http://tinyurl.com/4ogl9l

 

[EURobert]

PATRICK VAN DER EEM ARRESTED FOR BEATING UP HIS WIFE!!!

http://tinyurl.com/4ju3ng

And in the Telegraaf:

http://tinyurl.com/4ogl9l

 

Hmmm.... Old news, I see now...

[johan555]

PATRICK VAN DER EEM ARRESTED FOR BEATING UP HIS WIFE!!!

http://tinyurl.com/4ju3ng

And in the Telegraaf:

http://tinyurl.com/4ogl9l

 

Hmmm.... Old news, I see now...

not old eu bert ,no problem !

[EURobert]

PATRICK VAN DER EEM ARRESTED FOR BEATING UP HIS WIFE!!!

http://tinyurl.com/4ju3ng

And in the Telegraaf:

http://tinyurl.com/4ogl9l

 

Hmmm.... Old news, I see now...

not old eu bert ,no problem !

Well, caesu already had this news (from the AD) at page 8!

http://tinyurl.com/42kk4d

 

[San]

PATRICK VAN DER EEM ARRESTED FOR BEATING UP HIS WIFE!!!

http://tinyurl.com/4ju3ng

And in the Telegraaf:

http://tinyurl.com/4ogl9l

 

Hmmm.... Old news, I see now...

not old eu bert ,no problem !

Well, caesu already had this news (from the AD) at page 8!

http://tinyurl.com/42kk4d

 

Thank you all for bringing the article to our attention.

I knew Patrick was a POS from day one.

A leopard doesn't change its spots.

[MumInOhio]

If anyone is a member of a private forum can you tell me why be a part of something private?? I didn't expect anyone to answer 

The Natalee Freebirds is a private forum.  Members compile research encompassing a particular topic related to the Natalee Holloway case into a well organized document and ... then that document is posted for all to read on their own blog.  The Natalee's Freebirds also share each of their documents with the SM site.  Klaas posts the Natalee's Freebirds document in the Corruption and Collusion Thread.

I was once a member but made the decision to leave.  I am not a very good team player.  I have my own ideas.  Something akin to what I shared earlier regarding what my eldest son would say to me when he was in his late teens ... "Mom, it is your way or the highway."

Good Night Keepthefaith.

Janet

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http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=615.0

http://nataleesfreebirds.blogspot.com/

Janet

Thank you Janet.But isn't that defeating the purpose of all Transparency??

I don't think so.  A private research site gives members an opportunity to work together to  create a document by focusing in a one particular topic without any distractions.  The Natalee's Freebirds share the outcome of all their hard work.

I just chose to leave for my own reasons ... it just was not my thing. I like an open forum.

Keepthefaith ... click on the links I provided and ... read some of the Natalee's Freebirds' documents.  I think you will be impressed.

Janet

I agree Janet.  And from the work I've seen, the purpose of the Freebird's site is genuine and good.  I think I would have been honored to have been invited there. 
 

It will take a group effort from everyone to bring the EVIL of the Island to light.Why are people scared to admit that there a part of these private forums?Not that i care.Seems trivial..I do find a concerted effort to discredit Kermit and i,for one,don't know why??

Keepthefaith...Maybe because they will be pounced all over here in an open Forum...Other than when I first joined SM I have never been scared to post my thoughts...

I am a member of 3 so called "Private" Forums. Anyone can register at them, which is in fact what I did at one. Another I was "invited" to...The reason I believe I was invited had more to do with having some private common ground with another member and nothing to do with the Natalee Holloway case. This Forum has an open area and A "Members area". This is where Members discuss things going on in their lives and if they want can post Private stories and pictures. Things that they would not post in an open forum.

To my knowledge all of these sites are owned by Monkeys that are still Monkeys.

I have never been a member of Natalee's Freebirds and did not know it was anything but a site that posted what we see here at SM until it was mentioned a couple of times a few weekends ago in relation to Kyle and Kermit.

SM was the first Forum I joined and after reading here for a long time, I joined when the new format came in.  I was concerned that it would end up like BFN, that only Members could read, so I finally summoned up the courage to register and then to post. So Yes there are long time Lurkers...and I can tell you I was scared to death, Heck I was even scared to Register.

On days that I don't post much here, chances are I am not posting anywhere...I post when the discussions are about something I am particularly interested in, Or if I have questions or thoughts about another post.Since my DH is not working weekends anymore I do not post as much on the weekends. His changing work schedule dictates a lot of when I post. These are the reasons I post a lot on some days and sometimes not at all on others...Or may just pop in with a quick post.

This post is all from my perspective and is not derived from the mind, thoughts or words of any other poster. And for the record, I am what most would consider a straight arrow, I call a spade a spade. I don't have any reason for posting other than to try and find the truth and get Justice For Natalee.

I hope that answers some of your questions.

[Rob]

Good Morning-

billb - hey my friend, sorry if I gave you the impression what TJ and I are doing has anything to do with Natalee. It doesn't. It could in the future, but let's all hope it's over soon. This is something geared toward people like Natalee, but she is not someone we are going to be looking at in the immediate and near future. I'm not sure exactly how to say this, so I'll juss say it - Natalee was plenty of exposure and rightfully so. Natalee has forums dedicated to her, has face time on Greta and really there isn't much more we can do for her right now. That doesn't mean that it will never be a topic, juss that we are looking at some other things currently. Jennifer Kesse will be one such person and Marva Adams will be another. Like I said - juss because it's not on the radar right this second, doesn't mean that it won't be a serious topic in the future. We just don't know at this time. There is probably no one more knowledgeable than TJ on the subject of Natalee and he would be the correct person to undertake such a topic, he was hired by Jug and Beth after-all, so it's not because the knowledge or dedication isn't there, juss that we don't see what more we can do right now. I hope this explains a little bit about the how's, if's and why's.

Anna - I'm not sure what will happen with those tapes. As you know, Greta has them and she will make the final decisions whether they get aired or not. I have no idea if they will or won't. I hope they do, but have no idea. Personally, I say aired them and let us all decide whether they have any validity.

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Break

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I'm glad I logged of last night before the malaise began. Private forums should really not be an issue in my option, I mean who really cares. Does it matter? Seriously? As for anyone else having the info Kermit does and why they don't speak up - does that really matter either? Do we need the rest of the people who could know to validate that info? Isn't the info validated on it's own merits regardless of who it brings. THE INFO SPEAKS FOR ITSELF.

How this turned into a discussion on or about Kermit, to be honest, has me a bit concerned. Kermit is the messenger and made it perfectly clear that she was gonna expose that info if Kyle didn't do what was right and come forward on his own accord. Kyle didn't and in fact was rather rude about the whole episode. The fact that Kyle need a public prodding tells me what kind of person he really is. You draw your own conclusion as I would expect you too.

In my opinion, what Kermit did was nothing less than stellar and has always had my respect. Kyle, on the other hand, was warned by ME and OTHERS publicly right here at SM to not trust the Aruban Authorities. Now Kyle has learned a lesson, a very valuable lesson. Life is about learning. Kyle had to learn a lesson the hard way.

When Kyle said to Kermit that he made a mistake by trusting her, well, that should tell you all you need to know about his character. Kyle trusts the wrong people and needs to take a look at his moral compass. Sorry Kyle if that's harsh, but you needed to hear it. Remember, trust is earned and not given.

I trust Kermit has done the correct and valiant thing in this area. I trust Kermit's inner fortitude and we can all take this as a lesson in doing the right thing when it's gonna be painful for you personally. That takes real inner strength and a person comfortable in their own skin, someone who knows them self very very well, and someone of real moral character.

[MumInOhio]

I am bringing this forward:

    
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #785 12/13/08 -
« Reply #973 on: Today at 05:29:25 PM »
   
I just sat down and throughly read Kermits post.  Very disturbing.  I am going to ask a question and it may not be very popular.  Hotshot if you are reading would you try to answer this question for me?  Did hotshot say she personally knew John Silvetti?  Did hotshot put John in touch with Dave?  How was John S. have so much knowledge that he could observe and declare that there were no remains in the cage and it was a post office?  Is this where Caps got his info from on the cage being a post office?

Natalee cannot win for losing.  She is caught in a caught 22.  USA cannot help her and Aruba will not help her.

I know john only in speaking with him twice about the case.  No I did not get him in touch with Dave, Schafer did that i do believe.  Some of the Monkeys have all the right in believing what they want to believe, however, I refuse to believe that they are bad guys.  I have a theory, i have stated it, and i dont want to get into it again.  For people to pounce on kyle for something that wasnt even his job to do, is very poor.  I have explained that also.  I have talked with Kyle for quite some time now, and believe when he tells me that words were taken out of context.  i believe in Tim miller whole heartedly, and can't fathom him being involved with anyone who wouldnt want to find natalee.  Silvetti is now working on the gulf cost with Tim, are people going to say now that he is scanning for oil there too? We all have a reason for being here, and doing what we do, just because it doesn't fit in some peoples agendas, doesnt mean we are not here for natalee.  we wouldnt be here if we were not here for natalee.  Everything that pops up doesnt have to be a diversion.  I sent Caps out to find Silvetti, and I have said that before.  Why???  Caps needed help with the pond. I cant say for sure why Silvetti would call Tim a liability, but I am pretty sure Tim wanted to see for himself what was in the trap, as he didnt believe it wasn't a skull.......I dont think Tim got the chance to see for himself, and thats too bad.  i think that was a chance of a lifetime.  Mansure was on the boat, why?  I dont know, that what I was told by his dad.....He did NOT do the dive...
I am off to sleep now.  the new job has me wanting my pillow..GN all.

OK...I'll bite...But you knew I would anyways...

What happened to all the stuff you posted a couple of weeks back...You warned me off...Remember??

Big things, witnesses, arrests, You were in the know???

Now you have a theory??

We all have theories??

 

[MumInOhio]

Kermit...Would you mind clarifying Caps' email in your post? Is this to you??

Also...

I am also a little bewildered...Since this has all started with the trap, you have directed a riddle at me personlly, posted about things I have posted about on a couple of occasions the same day and now seem to be using my posts for your backup.

In the beginning I thought this was because of my posts in Shango...Now I don't know? Why do I feel like I am being used?

If I am reading anything into this that is not there, I apologize.

I would appreciate your clarification on this Kermit.

Thanks in Advance.

[MumInOhio]

My thought for the day...

Since the words Script nd Diversion have been posted an awful lot lately...

Think outside the box...

Have a great day everyone!

[Rob]

billb - just to add to my earlier post we will also be looking at missing Pennsylvania Centre County Prosecutor Ray Gricar. I think this one is solvable and hope hopefully this coming spring we will be traveling there, once the ground thaws, with cadaver dogs and see what we can find. I have a few areas of interest and if we can check them we will. Either clear them or maybe find Ray.

This is a case that has many perplexed and I hope we can do something here.

[johan555]

Make a screenshot and print 

[Blonde]

Kermit
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #779 11/24/08 -
« Reply #532 on: November 25, 2008, 07:06:45 PM »

From Kyle: march 18, 2008: If you want, you can get Red from SM off my back. I really don't like that guy. He thinks he knows what's going on but doesn't have a clue. I first saw the pics on the SM home page and fired off an email to Red believing that he would be understanding and help provide answers. I quickly found out what happened on my own and dealt with it. I could not believe his response.

~Kyle

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4179.msg557660#msg557660


Kermit
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #779 11/24/08 -
« Reply #532 on: November 25, 2008, 07:06:45 PM »

From Kyle: I have not given anything to the FBI since the pictures and statements from Dec 29th

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4179.msg557660#msg557660


Kermit
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #779 11/24/08 -
« Reply #532 on: November 25, 2008, 07:06:45 PM »

From Kyle: None of us gave any statements to the authorities after the 29th. It's possible John Silvetti did, because he was the only one conversing with them after Jan 7th.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4179.msg557660#msg557660


Kermit
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #779 11/24/08 -
« Reply #532 on: November 25, 2008, 07:06:45 PM »

From Kyle: May 8, 2008: "I've talked with Peter Shouten numerous times back in February. He hasn't seen anything but knows about the blue fabrics. DeVries and Endemol was interested in purchasing the ROV footage and I was working between them, ABC, and CBS to strike a deal."

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4179.msg557660#msg557660


Kermit
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #780 11/26/08 -
« Reply #888 on: Today at 02:43:35 AM »

Jan. 7th picture Kyle said: "In case it isn't clear.. notice the blue denim-like fabric”

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4182.msg564718#msg564718


Kermit
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #780 11/26/08 -
« Reply #902 on: Today at 03:09:00 AM »

Kyle said: "The Aruban divers were on the police boat, dove from their boat, and returned to their boat."

Kyle said: "They were immediately whisked away by the Aruban police and not seen of again by us on the 7th"

Kyle said: " John stood back and waited and worked with the Aruban Polis"

Kyle said: "John definitely believed the Arubans at their every word"

Kyle said: "John didn't want Tim Miller on board the Persistence because he said Tim wasn't necessary any more and was a liability"

Kyle said: "John told me then he didn't want to hear me ever mention the trap again."

June 10, 2008 = Kyle states: “He's [John Silvetti] seriously making plans to open an Aruba office so he can conduct business easier in S. America and that would allow him to do that."

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4182.msg564763#msg564763


Kermit
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #780 11/26/08 -
« Reply #903 on: Today at 03:12:23 AM »

Kyle said: "Schafer is sue crazy."

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4182.msg564766;topicseen#msg564766


Kermit
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #780 11/26/08 -
« Reply #897 on: Today at 03:02:28 AM »

Kyle: “I did not feel the same and we had a major difference in opinion. He [John Silvetti] was the one who never pressed ALE to be completely open with us with the trap evidence. I would have forced them to. However, John was the one paying my invoices so I was forced to sit back and hope for the best.”

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4182.msg564753;topicseen#msg564753


Kermit
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #780 11/26/08 -
« Reply #883 on: Today at 02:39:52 AM »

Kyle said: " We all know it wasn't a blouse, but I believe they were sent some piece of fabric other than the fabric found inside the trap.”

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4182.msg564707#msg564707


Kermit
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #780 11/26/08 -
« Reply #896 on: Today at 03:00:21 AM »

Kyle said: "The blue fabric was found right where the skirt is pictured. If it isn't her, it will forever haunt me as a major cosmic WTF.”

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4182.msg564748;topicseen#msg564748


Kermit
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #780 11/26/08 -
« Reply #896 on: Today at 03:00:21 AM »

Kyle said: "We're being fed misinformation to keep us searching and out of their way while they cover their asses, destroy evidence, cover their tracks, and keep us out at sea and away from the trap."

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4182.msg564748;topicseen#msg564748


Kermit
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #780 11/26/08 -
« Reply #888 on: Today at 02:43:35 AM »

Jan. 7th picture Kyle said: "In case it isn't clear.. notice the blue denim-like fabric”

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4182.msg564718#msg564718


Kermit
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #779 11/24/08 -
« Reply #532 on: Today at 07:06:45 PM »

From Kyle: May 8, 2008: "I've talked with Peter Shouten numerous times back in February. He hasn't seen anything but knows about the blue fabrics. DeVries and Endemol was interested in purchasing the ROV footage and I was working between them, ABC, and CBS to strike a deal."

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4179.msg557660#msg557660


Kermit
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #780 11/26/08 -
« Reply #882 on: Today at 02:36:28 AM »

Kyle said: "Louis is currently working with someone who I do not know to put together some documentary on the case, the way it was handled, and what happened during the search. I learned this from Tim T. yesterday. Louis was sold on the idea that it will make him a lot of money.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4182.msg564701;topicseen#msg564701


Kermit
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #780 11/26/08 -
« Reply #802 on: December 02, 2008, 05:16:26 PM »

Kyle said: “The portion of the discolored blue fabric was presumably on the bottom of the fabric. In my opinion this discoloration is not another type of fabric, but rather biological staining or discoloration from biological growth caused from a high organic carbon content and decay. Basically, during decay a biological mat will form around the organics from remains. This is what I believe it is on the bottom of the fabric.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4182.msg564125;topicseen#msg564125


Kermit
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #779 11/24/08 -
« Reply #642 on: November 25, 2008, 10:12:27 PM »

May 8, 2008 = from Kyle: John Silvetti told me today that he may be returning to Aruba very soon for a few days.

May 19, 2008 = from Kyle:
"I couldn't get the logs from the Persistence. All things "Holloway" were stripped from the boat once it got back to Louisiana

JUNE 10, 2008 = from Kyle:
He's [John Silvetti] seriously making plans to open an Aruba office so he can conduct business easier in S. America and that would allow him to do that.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4179.msg557914;topicseen#msg557914


Kermit
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #779 11/24/08 -
« Reply #635 on: November 25, 2008, 10:06:58 PM »

from Kyle: "It was confirmed by the FBI that they received a fabric sample send by Richardson and that it wasn't a match to Natalee's blouse. I think the video can prove or disprove whatever the FBI was sent was the same object or not. I strongly believe it's blue denim. Everyone I show thinks the same thing without being prompted (including senior ABC execs).

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4179.msg557906;topicseen#msg557906


Kermit
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #781 12/3/08 -
« Reply #663 on: Today at 09:55:44 PM »

Kyle stated: "John is not a believer in the trap. He took ALE's word as gospel that it wasn't case related, yet never studied the videos or bothered to inquire further."

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4186.msg566856;topicseen#msg566856


Kermit
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #782 12/5/08 -
« Reply #137 on: Today at 04:07:13 PM »

Klye stated: " We're being fed misinformation to keep us searching and out of their way while they cover their asses, destroy evidence, cover their tracks, and keep us out at sea and away from the trap."

Kyle stated: "neither Dave, Robin, or Beth has seen any of the ROV footage aside from what was broadcasted on Dateline or the pictures leaked from the FBI to Dave (and Robin H.). Beth has seen nothing in my knowledge."

Kyle stated: "John is not a believer in the trap. He took ALE's word as gospel that it wasn't case related, yet never studied the videos or bothered to inquire further. He had plans on doing business with Aruba and in S. America and he didn't want to hurt any feelings by talks hinting at lack of complete trust and friendship."

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4209.120


Kermit
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #782 12/5/08 -
« Reply #275 on: December 05, 2008, 07:05:44 PM »

Kyle said: "Notice the end of the skirt is an identical match to the 90 degree angle in the sand.
- I believe her left arm was outstretched with her legs slightly bent. I did not edit the legs.
- I believe the tarp was placed over her and tucked around her, or perhaps tied down. I believe there are several rocks laying on the sand which were placed on the tarp, or inside the tarp over her body which explains their unusual location.
- Either way, the proportions appear promising.

Kyle said: “- I took the proportions of the body form from the head, to shoulder, to a 90 degree angle which I believed to be the hem line of Natalee's skirt. I then took those proportions and matched them to the photo of Natalee with what she was last seen wearing. The proportions matched within an inch from head, to shoulder, to skirt line.

Based on this comparison and with what we believed we saw in the Dec 29th video, Tim Miller contacted the family and told them the 99.9% comment. I told Tim not to do anything until we have forensic results back after the site is processed.

Jan 7th we sampled the contents and in my opinion we found the skirt under the sand along with the other items

The blue fabric was found right where the skirt is pictured. If it isn't her, it will forever haunt me as a major cosmic WTF.”

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4209.msg568246;topicseen#msg568246


Kermit
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #782 12/5/08 -
« Reply #524 on: December 05, 2008, 11:59:23 PM

kyle stated: "Richardson was onboard the Persistence several times and attended the meetings on the boat. You may see a glimpse of him on the Dateline video in the survey room along with Mos standing over my shoulder.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4209.msg568677;topicseen#msg568677

[Lifesong]

I've done better lately at not commenting on all of this, but a few thoughts just won't leave me, so I'm going to put them out there.


1.  People who have nothing to hide, hide nothing.  Any member of any group, private or public, that is at all concerned with who gets the "credit" if this case is ever solved has completely forgotten why they got involved in the first place. 

2.  It seems to me that some posters are "innocently" asking questions in this public forum that they already know the answers to from a private forum.  Whether this is happening in an effort to clear things up further, or to "trap" others with their answers, I do not know.  I do know it's distracting. [See 1.]

3.  Anyone - and I do mean anyone - who is more concerned with cliques, credit, a sense of self-importance, or any issue other than Justice for Natalee and Peace for her Family should take a break from this case for the sake of the Natalee and her family.  Think about it.  It's never been about us.  Attorneys don't need internet groups to do their work for them.  Yes - you might get lucky and help with a piece of information - but does anyone actually believe that JQK does not have the resources to bring to bear on this case what he can/needs to as things progress?  He wouldn't have taken the case and Beth wouldn't have hired him otherwise.

4.  Kermit - Thank you for your service to our country.  I mean it, Thank You.  Thank you for your sacrifice, your dedication, and your hard work throughout the course of your career.  Every president we elect is my president.  Thanks also on behalf of my 12 year old daughter for continuing to break down and hold open the doors for women to advance professionally.  Equality is still elusive, but you've made lasting contributions and that should also be acknowledged.

JMO

[Poochy]

I will say this re private forums:
people can be duped into joining ... as I was

we were "reruited" from various NH sites

hindsight being 20/20,
I'm pretty sure the sales pitches
were tailored to each individual

mine followed along the lines of
"no idle chit chat/purely research" and
"open forums do the work for defense attys"
(ie: tipping them to everything discovered)

we were encouraged to choose partners
and research certain topics or persons
on an as-needed/as-asked basis

I met finbar there/some members post here now

human nature being what it is:
turns out there was a group-within-the-group
(unknown to most of us, AFAIK)
which summarized everyone's work
and passed it along to factions w/in the H/T families
(while claiming credit for the research)

then the site closed w/ literally a few hours notice
and all of our research poofed ... or so they tell me

live/learn, I guess 

I recall that private site and my 'recruiting' sounded similar, if not word for word to yours Finngirl. In fact we were on that same private forum together but I had a different nic at that time. Just before he took it down we were researching a US politician who flew a plane and had some 'leg' issues! And then poof. Site closed down almost immediately. And from what I recall, wasn't there a private area within that private site!!!!

I gave up private sites for lent    And it felt so good I gave them up permanently!

[Lifesong]

Forgot to mention:

I also think its possible that Kyle was completely talking out of his ass about John Silvetti.  I believe in Tim Miller, he's no slouch, that one.  While all humans have faults and weaknesses and I'm sure Tim is no different, I do not believe that being a poor judge of character is one of his faults.  Not after all he's seen and been through.

Kyle, on the other hand, well...I'm just not gonna really go there.  I will say, Silvetti was his boss, fertile ground there for resentment.  Who hasn't badmouthed their boss?  Sometimes even assigning all different kinds of evil intent to their actions? 

I'll take Tim Miller's assessment of Silvetti over Kyle's every single day of the week.

What I don't get is how one can defend both Kyle and Silvetti - not after reading Kyle's quotes as have been posted by Kermit, and compiled & re-posted by Janet & Blonde.   Obviously others feel differently and that's ok too.

JMO, again.

[billb's daughter]

billb - just to add to my earlier post we will also be looking at missing Pennsylvania Centre County Prosecutor Ray Gricar. I think this one is solvable and hope hopefully this coming spring we will be traveling there, once the ground thaws, with cadaver dogs and see what we can find. I have a few areas of interest and if we can check them we will. Either clear them or maybe find Ray.

This is a case that has many perplexed and I hope we can do something here.

Rob, Thanks for setting me straight on the upcoming news. Although I hoped it was specific to Natalee, I understand and do believe something will shake loose in the future for Natalee and her family.
It is a great thing that you do for those who can not stand up for themselves anymore. Keep charging!

[wreck]

I've done better lately at not commenting on all of this, but a few thoughts just won't leave me, so I'm going to put them out there.


1.  People who have nothing to hide, hide nothing.  Any member of any group, private or public, that is at all concerned with who gets the "credit" if this case is ever solved has completely forgotten why they got involved in the first place. 

2.  It seems to me that some posters are "innocently" asking questions in this public forum that they already know the answers to from a private forum.  Whether this is happening in an effort to clear things up further, or to "trap" others with their answers, I do not know.  I do know it's distracting. [See 1.]

3.  Anyone - and I do mean anyone - who is more concerned with cliques, credit, a sense of self-importance, or any issue other than Justice for Natalee and Peace for her Family should take a break from this case for the sake of the Natalee and her family.  Think about it.  It's never been about us.  Attorneys don't need internet groups to do their work for them.  Yes - you might get lucky and help with a piece of information - but does anyone actually believe that JQK does not have the resources to bring to bear on this case what he can/needs to as things progress?  He wouldn't have taken the case and Beth wouldn't have hired him otherwise.

4.  Kermit - Thank you for your service to our country.  I mean it, Thank You.  Thank you for your sacrifice, your dedication, and your hard work throughout the course of your career.  Every president we elect is my president.  Thanks also on behalf of my 12 year old daughter for continuing to break down and hold open the doors for women to advance professionally.  Equality is still elusive, but you've made lasting contributions and that should also be acknowledged.

JMO

My whole problem with private forums is -- "who and why do you trust". I think people get flattered and go in blindly following those that "asked them". People here are sincerley wanting to help -- just too trusting in my opinion. I won't give my phone # to anyone I have not met in person.