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Topic: Natalee Case Discussion #786 12/17/08 - 12/24/08 (Read 229331 times)
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klaasend
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #786 12/17/08 -
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December 18, 2008, 10:37:49 AM »
Quote from: wreck on December 18, 2008, 10:27:01 AM
Quote from: Lifesong on December 18, 2008, 09:29:39 AM
I've done better lately at not commenting on all of this, but a few thoughts just won't leave me, so I'm going to put them out there.
1. People who have nothing to hide, hide nothing. Any member of any group, private or public, that is
at all concerned
with who gets the "credit" if this case is ever solved has completely forgotten why they got involved in the first place.
2. It seems to me that some posters are "innocently" asking questions in this public forum that they already know the answers to from a private forum. Whether this is happening in an effort to clear things up further, or to "trap" others with their answers, I do not know. I do know it's distracting. [See 1.]
3. Anyone - and I do mean anyone - who is more concerned with cliques, credit, a sense of self-importance, or any issue other than Justice for Natalee and Peace for her Family should take a break from this case for the sake of the Natalee and her family. Think about it. It's never been about us.
Attorneys don't need internet groups to do their work for them.
Yes - you might get lucky and help with a piece of information - but does anyone actually believe that JQK does not have the resources to bring to bear on this case what he can/needs to as things progress? He wouldn't have taken the case and Beth wouldn't have hired him otherwise.
4.
Kermit - Thank you for your service to our country. I mean it, Thank You.
Thank you for your sacrifice, your dedication, and your hard work throughout the course of your career. Every president we elect is my president. Thanks also on behalf of my 12 year old daughter for continuing to break down and hold open the doors for women to advance professionally. Equality is still elusive, but you've made lasting contributions and that should also be acknowledged.
JMO
My whole problem with private forums is -- "who and why do you trust". I think people get flattered and go in blindly following those that "asked them". People here are sincerley wanting to help -- just too trusting in my opinion.
I won't give my phone # to anyone I have not met in person.
A rule I have tried to live by and regretted the couple times I didn't.
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klaasend
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #786 12/17/08 -
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December 18, 2008, 10:41:44 AM »
Quote from: finngirl on December 18, 2008, 02:56:21 AM
I will say this re private forums:
people can be duped into joining ... as I was
we were "reruited" from various NH sites
hindsight being 20/20,
I'm pretty sure the sales pitches
were tailored to each individual
mine followed along the lines of
"no idle chit chat/purely research" and
"open forums do the work for defense attys"
(ie: tipping them to everything discovered)
we were encouraged to choose partners
and research certain topics or persons
on an as-needed/as-asked basis
I met finbar there/some members post here now
human nature being what it is:
turns out there was a group-within-the-group
(unknown to most of us, AFAIK)
which summarized everyone's work
and passed it along to factions w/in the H/T families
(while claiming credit for the research)
then the site closed w/ literally a few hours notice
and all of our research poofed ... or so they tell me
live/learn, I guess
Yes it happens like this time and time again. Sad for those not in the super secret areas of such private forums.
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #786 12/17/08 -
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December 18, 2008, 10:56:49 AM »
Anyone else think the heated discussions of private forum/open forum sound like first graders on a playground? Let's collectively move on...Kiss and make up...
We have some further investigations to do...
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #786 12/17/08 -
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December 18, 2008, 11:00:18 AM »
Quote from: klaasend on December 18, 2008, 10:37:49 AM
Quote from: wreck on December 18, 2008, 10:27:01 AM
My whole problem with private forums is -- "who and why do you trust". I think people get flattered and go in blindly following those that "asked them". People here are sincerley wanting to help -- just too trusting in my opinion.
I won't give my phone # to anyone I have not met in person.
A rule I have tried to live by and regretted the couple times I didn't.
I agree, Wreck. I probably should have clarified, anyone asked to join a "special, private" research group would predictably be flattered and jump at the chance to contribute in what they believed to be a meaningful way. IMO, that's the simple manipulation involved. It's how I ended up the PTA Fundraising Chair at my kids' elementary school years ago. If I had only known!
Klaas - Agree there also. There are people I do know in person I still won't give my phone number to!
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #786 12/17/08 -
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Reply #264 on:
December 18, 2008, 11:14:37 AM »
Quote from: klaasend on December 18, 2008, 10:37:49 AM
Quote from: wreck on December 18, 2008, 10:27:01 AM
Quote from: Lifesong on December 18, 2008, 09:29:39 AM
I've done better lately at not commenting on all of this, but a few thoughts just won't leave me, so I'm going to put them out there.
1. People who have nothing to hide, hide nothing. Any member of any group, private or public, that is
at all concerned
with who gets the "credit" if this case is ever solved has completely forgotten why they got involved in the first place.
2. It seems to me that some posters are "innocently" asking questions in this public forum that they already know the answers to from a private forum. Whether this is happening in an effort to clear things up further, or to "trap" others with their answers, I do not know. I do know it's distracting. [See 1.]
3. Anyone - and I do mean anyone - who is more concerned with cliques, credit, a sense of self-importance, or any issue other than Justice for Natalee and Peace for her Family should take a break from this case for the sake of the Natalee and her family. Think about it. It's never been about us.
Attorneys don't need internet groups to do their work for them.
Yes - you might get lucky and help with a piece of information - but does anyone actually believe that JQK does not have the resources to bring to bear on this case what he can/needs to as things progress? He wouldn't have taken the case and Beth wouldn't have hired him otherwise.
4.
Kermit - Thank you for your service to our country. I mean it, Thank You.
Thank you for your sacrifice, your dedication, and your hard work throughout the course of your career. Every president we elect is my president. Thanks also on behalf of my 12 year old daughter for continuing to break down and hold open the doors for women to advance professionally. Equality is still elusive, but you've made lasting contributions and that should also be acknowledged.
JMO
My whole problem with private forums is -- "who and why do you trust". I think people get flattered and go in blindly following those that "asked them". People here are sincerley wanting to help -- just too trusting in my opinion.
I won't give my phone # to anyone I have not met in person.
A rule I have tried to live by and regretted the couple times I didn't.
Ummmmmm, mine could use some help.
Morning monkeys.
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Tamikosmom
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #786 12/17/08 -
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December 18, 2008, 11:15:42 AM »
Good Morning Monkeys.
BRRRRR. Hubby and I have just returned from an early morning walk with our 15 year old Golden Retriever Brandi. It is very chilly in the Fraser Valley of British Columbia. Our below freezing temperatures that we have been experiencing for about a week finally warmed up. The snow that began yesterday is thishigh and ... schools have been cancelled. Thankfully the roads in our area were ploughed yesterday which made our walk possible.
Have a good day all.
Janet
8:12 AM PT
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #786 12/17/08 -
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Reply #266 on:
December 18, 2008, 11:24:34 AM »
Quote from: wreck on December 18, 2008, 10:27:01 AM
Quote from: Lifesong on December 18, 2008, 09:29:39 AM
I've done better lately at not commenting on all of this, but a few thoughts just won't leave me, so I'm going to put them out there.
1. People who have nothing to hide, hide nothing. Any member of any group, private or public, that is
at all concerned
with who gets the "credit" if this case is ever solved has completely forgotten why they got involved in the first place.
2. It seems to me that some posters are "innocently" asking questions in this public forum that they already know the answers to from a private forum. Whether this is happening in an effort to clear things up further, or to "trap" others with their answers, I do not know. I do know it's distracting. [See 1.]
3. Anyone - and I do mean anyone - who is more concerned with cliques, credit, a sense of self-importance, or any issue other than Justice for Natalee and Peace for her Family should take a break from this case for the sake of the Natalee and her family. Think about it. It's never been about us.
Attorneys don't need internet groups to do their work for them.
Yes - you might get lucky and help with a piece of information - but does anyone actually believe that JQK does not have the resources to bring to bear on this case what he can/needs to as things progress? He wouldn't have taken the case and Beth wouldn't have hired him otherwise.
4.
Kermit - Thank you for your service to our country. I mean it, Thank You.
Thank you for your sacrifice, your dedication, and your hard work throughout the course of your career. Every president we elect is my president. Thanks also on behalf of my 12 year old daughter for continuing to break down and hold open the doors for women to advance professionally. Equality is still elusive, but you've made lasting contributions and that should also be acknowledged.
JMO
My whole problem with private forums is -- "who and why do you trust". I think people get flattered and go in blindly following those that "asked them". People here are sincerley wanting to help -- just too trusting in my opinion.
I won't give my phone # to anyone I have not met in person.
Shoot, I can't remember my phone number half the time.
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #786 12/17/08 -
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December 18, 2008, 12:21:13 PM »
Well, what do we do with Kermit's information? Kermit says she has given it to the FBI
AND
the family. I'm not sure as to what we here are supposed to do with this information. Kermit, what do you want/need
US
to do?? Are you confident that things are being done in the background (and I don't mean private forums!)?
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crazybabyborg
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December 18, 2008, 12:23:49 PM »
Morning Monkeys!
I read and read and read last night in the prior and this thread, until 5:00am. When I finally caught up, I didn't know what to post. Now, because of the discussion this morning, I do.
I have never attempted to participate in any other forum. Somebody always brought over information that was useful and I always trusted the monkey doing the transfer; Klaas seemed to be the main one and Lord knows, I trust her!
I do have a good sense of the common purpose that has always brought this unique group of posters together and what has kept us here. The single reason why that common purpose has been preserved is because of Klaas' and Red's judgement when it comes to identifying the source that veers from that purpose, and acting to purge the forum from the disruption. I've actually kidded Klaas about knowing before she does whose "posting life" is short.
There's always been lots of different OPINIONS, AREAS OF INTEREST, APPROACHES, and SKILLS. It makes for a wonderful contribution toward:
ONE PURPOSE
.
When a poster's purpose is not born in compassion and focused on justice for Natalee and her family, they simply don't last long.
I believe there has been an orchestrated effort to bring a different purpose to Scared Monkeys. I believe, just by viewing the results, that whatever a laughably "private" forum's purposes are or was, that disrupting Scared Monkeys was among them.
Personally, I appreciate Kermit's efforts and know the frog belongs here. Personally, I am very frustrated at the cryptic innuendo's of other posters. Natalee and her family deserve better, and I'd prefer that anyone who takes the stance that "I know big stuff, let me drop a hint" just go away. If they can't step up for what's right and speak plainly because it's the right thing to do, then they are as bad as those who have covered up the crimes committed on the Holloway/Twitty family. That's my opinion.
I wanted to post this because I wanted to suggest that those who are discouraged just watch it play out. I trust Klaas; her record is impeccable. The truth has a way of bubbling up through the mire, and she holds the shovel to toss out the bottom sludge.
Until Natalee's case has been closed with some semblance of justice, we'll be here. At the end, those who will join hands as we watch it happen will be of like heart. I'm so honored to have a place among you!
{{HUGS, MONKEYS!}}
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #786 12/17/08 -
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December 18, 2008, 01:38:20 PM »
Quote from: CBB on December 18, 2008, 12:23:49 PM
Morning Monkeys!
I read and read and read last night in the prior and this thread, until 5:00am. When I finally caught up, I didn't know what to post. Now, because of the discussion this morning, I do.
I have never attempted to participate in any other forum. Somebody always brought over information that was useful and I always trusted the monkey doing the transfer; Klaas seemed to be the main one and Lord knows, I trust her!
I do have a good sense of the common purpose that has always brought this unique group of posters together and what has kept us here. The single reason why that common purpose has been preserved is because of Klaas' and Red's judgement when it comes to identifying the source that veers from that purpose, and acting to purge the forum from the disruption. I've actually kidded Klaas about knowing before she does whose "posting life" is short.
There's always been lots of different OPINIONS, AREAS OF INTEREST, APPROACHES, and SKILLS. It makes for a wonderful contribution toward:
ONE PURPOSE
.
When a poster's purpose is not born in compassion and focused on justice for Natalee and her family, they simply don't last long.
I believe there has been an orchestrated effort to bring a different purpose to Scared Monkeys. I believe, just by viewing the results, that whatever a laughably "private" forum's purposes are or was, that disrupting Scared Monkeys was among them.
Personally, I appreciate Kermit's efforts and know the frog belongs here. Personally, I am very frustrated at the cryptic innuendo's of other posters. Natalee and her family deserve better, and I'd prefer that anyone who takes the stance that "I know big stuff, let me drop a hint" just go away. If they can't step up for what's right and speak plainly because it's the right thing to do, then they are as bad as those who have covered up the crimes committed on the Holloway/Twitty family. That's my opinion.
I wanted to post this because I wanted to suggest that those who are discouraged just watch it play out. I trust Klaas; her record is impeccable. The truth has a way of bubbling up through the mire, and she holds the shovel to toss out the bottom sludge.
Until Natalee's case has been closed with some semblance of justice, we'll be here. At the end, those who will join hands as we watch it happen will be of like heart. I'm so honored to have a place among you!
{{HUGS, MONKEYS!}}
You are so sweet-I couln't have said it better. I am honored also to be a part of this.
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #786 12/17/08 -
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December 18, 2008, 01:42:31 PM »
I found out that there is "something " in the cage but it is
not a skull
.
I found a pic (skull) and that one was also found in the ocean .
You clearly see the black holes > eyes and nose holes .
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Wanneer domme mensen domme dingen beweren, dan moet je ze niet corrigeren, maar glimlachend gelijk geven.
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #786 12/17/08 -
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December 18, 2008, 01:45:39 PM »
Quote from: johan555 on December 18, 2008, 01:42:31 PM
I found out that there is "something " in the cage but it is
not a skull
.
I found a pic (skull) and that one was also found in the ocean .
You clearly see the black holes > eyes and nose holes .
What if you are looking at the BACK of the skull??
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #786 12/17/08 -
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Looks like sun glasses to me..
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Quote from: Edward on December 18, 2008, 01:52:10 PM
Looks like sun glasses to me..
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #786 12/17/08 -
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December 18, 2008, 02:00:33 PM »
Quote from: wreck on December 18, 2008, 01:45:39 PM
Quote from: johan555 on December 18, 2008, 01:42:31 PM
I found out that there is "something " in the cage but it is
not a skull
.
I found a pic (skull) and that one was also found in the ocean .
You clearly see the black holes > eyes and nose holes .
What if you are looking at the BACK of the skull??
No what you see is also not the back of a skull,i have about 50 underwater skull pics here .
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Wanneer domme mensen domme dingen beweren, dan moet je ze niet corrigeren, maar glimlachend gelijk geven.
http://www.nataleeholloway.smfnew.com/index.php
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #786 12/17/08 -
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December 18, 2008, 02:09:19 PM »
Quote from: johan555 on December 18, 2008, 02:00:33 PM
Quote from: wreck on December 18, 2008, 01:45:39 PM
Quote from: johan555 on December 18, 2008, 01:42:31 PM
I found out that there is "something " in the cage but it is
not a skull
.
I found a pic (skull) and that one was also found in the ocean .
You clearly see the black holes > eyes and nose holes .
What if you are looking at the BACK of the skull??
No what you see is also not the back of a skull,i have about 50 underwater skull pics here .
Tim Miller of Equisearch said after viewing LIVE pics of the cage: 'sure looks like a skull to me'! He has seen MANY in all types of conditions.
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #786 12/17/08 -
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December 18, 2008, 02:16:43 PM »
Quote from: wreck on December 18, 2008, 02:09:19 PM
Quote from: johan555 on December 18, 2008, 02:00:33 PM
Quote from: wreck on December 18, 2008, 01:45:39 PM
Quote from: johan555 on December 18, 2008, 01:42:31 PM
I found out that there is "something " in the cage but it is
not a skull
.
I found a pic (skull) and that one was also found in the ocean .
You clearly see the black holes > eyes and nose holes .
What if you are looking at the BACK of the skull??
No what you see is also not the back of a skull,i have about 50 underwater skull pics here .
Tim Miller of Equisearch said after viewing LIVE pics of the cage: 'sure looks like a skull to me'! He has seen MANY in all types of conditions.
That was my first impression also but what you see on the original pic is finaly not the back of a skull.
So it is also not the front because you don't see the black eye/ nose holes .
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Wanneer domme mensen domme dingen beweren, dan moet je ze niet corrigeren, maar glimlachend gelijk geven.
http://www.nataleeholloway.smfnew.com/index.php
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #786 12/17/08 -
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December 18, 2008, 02:20:42 PM »
Quote from: johan555 on December 18, 2008, 02:16:43 PM
Quote from: wreck on December 18, 2008, 02:09:19 PM
Quote from: johan555 on December 18, 2008, 02:00:33 PM
Quote from: wreck on December 18, 2008, 01:45:39 PM
Quote from: johan555 on December 18, 2008, 01:42:31 PM
I found out that there is "something " in the cage but it is
not a skull
.
I found a pic (skull) and that one was also found in the ocean .
You clearly see the black holes > eyes and nose holes .
What if you are looking at the BACK of the skull??
No what you see is also not the back of a skull,i have about 50 underwater skull pics here .
Tim Miller of Equisearch said after viewing LIVE pics of the cage: 'sure looks like a skull to me'! He has seen MANY in all types of conditions.
That was my first impression also but what you see on the original pic is finaly not the back of a skull.
So it is also not the front because you don't see the black eye/ nose holes .
How do you KNOW it is not the back of the skull? Besides, I don't think THIS pic is clear enough to determine ANYTHING -- JMO
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #786 12/17/08 -
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December 18, 2008, 02:22:05 PM »
Quote from: wreck on December 18, 2008, 02:20:42 PM
Quote from: johan555 on December 18, 2008, 02:16:43 PM
Quote from: wreck on December 18, 2008, 02:09:19 PM
Quote from: johan555 on December 18, 2008, 02:00:33 PM
Quote from: wreck on December 18, 2008, 01:45:39 PM
Quote from: johan555 on December 18, 2008, 01:42:31 PM
I found out that there is "something " in the cage but it is
not a skull
.
I found a pic (skull) and that one was also found in the ocean .
You clearly see the black holes > eyes and nose holes .
What if you are looking at the BACK of the skull??
No what you see is also not the back of a skull,i have about 50 underwater skull pics here .
Tim Miller of Equisearch said after viewing LIVE pics of the cage: 'sure looks like a skull to me'! He has seen MANY in all types of conditions.
That was my first impression also but what you see on the original pic is finaly not the back of a skull.
So it is also not the front because you don't see the black eye/ nose holes .
How do you KNOW it is not the back of the skull? Besides, I don't think THIS pic is clear enough to determine ANYTHING -- JMO
Because the back of a skull has another shape
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #786 12/17/08 -
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December 18, 2008, 02:22:06 PM »
What if the eye sockets and nose hole filled in with coral, barnacles or sponges growing inside the skull?
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=====> Caylee Marie Anthony Murder Trial Archives
===> Sierra Lamar, 15yrs old, Morgan Hill, CA Missing Since March 16, 2012
===> JO ANN (JODIE) BAIN AND 3 DAUGHTERS MISSING 4/27/2012(2 murdered 2 safe)
===> Isabel Mercedes Celis, 6 yrs old missing 4/21/12 Tucson, AZ (Body Found)
===> Jennifer Kesse - Orlando/Ocoee, Florida
===> Susan Powell 28yrs old, missing 12/6/09 West Valley City, Utah
===> Michelle Loree Parker, Last Seen 11/17/11, Orlando, FL
===> Celina Cass, 11yrs old missing 7/25/11 New Hampshire
===> Aliayah Lunsford, 3yrs old, Weston, West VA, missing since 9/24/2011
===> Lisa Irwin, 10mo old missing since 10/4/2011 KC, MO
===> Robyn Gardner missing in Aruba August 2, 2011
=> Missing Persons - High Profile - Archives
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Virginia Area Missing and Murdered - possible connections
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=> Morgan Dana Harrington, 20yrs missing VA Tech 10/17/09(BODY FOUND)
=> Hannah Elizabeth Graham missing since 9/13/14 Charlottesville, VA
=> Alexis Murphy, missing since 8/3/13 Charlottesville, VA
=> Samantha Ann Clarke 19yrs. old Orange Va. Last seen 09/13/10
=> Dashad Sage Smith missing since 11/20/12 Charlottesville, VA
=> Cassandra Morton 23, Lynchburg, missing 10/10/09 body found 11/29/09
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High Profile Crimes and Trials (not missing persons)
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=> Jodi Arias trial - for the murder of Travis Alexander
=> Trial of George Zimmerman - 2nd Degree Murder of 17yr old Trayvon Martin
=> Scott Peterson Appeal of Murder Conviction
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Missing, Exploited and True Crime
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=> Missing Exploited and True Crime
===> Missing Persons Forum
=====> Missing Found or Presumed Deceased
=====> Missing Found Safe
=====> Missing Endangered Runaways
=====> Resourses, Search Groups and Fundraisers
===> Crimes Against Children, Elderly and the Disabled
===> Crimes of Passion/Anger
===> Serial Killers and Their Possible Victims
===> Unsolved Crimes
=====> Finally Solved
===> Haleigh Marie Cummings - Florida
===> Adji Desir - Florida
===> Somer Renee Thompson 7 yo, Orange Park FL 10/19/09(BODY FOUND)
===> Tracy Ocasio - Orlando/Ocoee, Florida
===> Shaniya Nicole Davis, 5 Fayetteville, NC Missing 11/10/09(BODY FOUND)
===> Holly Bobo, 20yrs old missing Parsons, TN 4/13/11
===> Hailey Dunn - 13yrs old - Colorado City, TX missing 12/27/10 (Body Found)
===> Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (BODY FOUND)
===> Lindsey Baum - McCleary, WA 6/26/09
===> Amber Leeanne Dubois 14yrs old - Escondido, CA(BODY FOUND)
===> Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
===> Sandra Cantu, 8 years old - Tracy, CA(BODY FOUND)
===> Madeleine McCann - Portugal
===> Christine Marie Sheddy - missing since 11/13/2007 - Maryland(BODY FOUND)
===> Nevaeh Amyah Buchanan 5yr Monroe Michigan(BODY FOUND)
===> Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Tempe AZ-San Antonio TX
===> Stacy Ann Peterson missing & Kathleen Savio murdered - Illinois
===> Zahra Clare Baker - 10yrs old Hickory, NC (Body Found)
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Natalee Holloway
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=> Natalee Holloway
=> Important Case Documents
===> Joran Statements/PV's
===> Paulus Statements/PV's
===> Deepak Statements/PV's
===> Satish Statements/PV's
===> Misc Statements/PV's
=> LCD Archive
=> Shango/Simian and other Codetalkers
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Current Events and Musings
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=> Monkey Musings / Open Discussion
=> Pop Culture Main
===> Hugely Popular TV Shows
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===> Scared Monkeys Radio with Dana Pretzer
=> Health and Medical Issues
=> Food and Product Recalls
=> News of the Day
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=> Sports
=> Political Forum
=> Religion (discussion and debate)
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The Monkey Lounge
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=> The Monkey Lounge
===> Fashion & Decorating
===> What's Cooking? Recipes
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=> Inspirational
===> Memorial - Gone but Never Forgotten
===> Gratefulness - Light a Candle in Prayer
===> Inspirational scriptures, songs, stories and prayers
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Natalee Discussions (2005 ARCHIVE)
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=> Natalee Holloway
=> Theory and Speculation
=> Links and References Only
=> Natalee Breaking News Archive
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General Discussions (2005 ARCHIVE)
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=> News Issues
=> Chit Chat
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