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« Reply #740 on: December 20, 2008, 01:41:30 PM »

I believe that Natalee Holloway's loving stepfather realized very early on that a coverup in the investigation dictated that justice for his stepdaughter was not about to come from an Aruban or Dutch court.  Jug Twitty's only request was that he could bring his Natalee home ...

If the contents of the cage/trap held Natalee Holloway's remains ... for the sake of a measure of closure ... the family needs to know.  Surely Aruba could afford this one significant gesture.

Janet

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'Scarborough Country' for July 14
updated 8:45 a.m. PT, Fri., July. 15, 2005


JUG TWITTY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY'S STEPFATHER: Beth and I have been through this emotional roller coaster. And all we want is Natalee, whether she's alive or dead. We want to bring her back to the United States, and we'll leave and they can do whatever they want to do.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8551824/

If Jug and his friends weren't there this whole thing would have been over.  He was smart and wasn't about to be fooled by Straaten, KJ and Dompig.  This is why in my opinion KJ couldn't stand him.  He stood up to her and when he did she threatened him.
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« Reply #741 on: December 20, 2008, 01:47:35 PM »

I love the Mr. Deetch.

Dear Mr.Deetch,

Thank you for your email regarding JetBlue's recent announcement of new service to Aruba. We appreciate you sharing your views and having the opportunity to respond to your concerns.

It is tragic that an event so terrible could occur to a visitor to a foreign nation. JetBlue has
been considering starting service to Aruba, as nearly all other major US airlines do, for several years. Our decision, based on numerous market and competitive factors, was unrelated to the terrible event there. In no way does JetBlue ascribe to the entire population of Aruba, or its government, the malicious and criminal behavior of a few. Each market JetBlue serves is one, we believe, in high demand by the traveling public and one where airfares are too high. In this regard, Aruba is no different.

Again, we appreciate you taking the time to share your views with JetBlue.

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« Reply #742 on: December 20, 2008, 02:16:08 PM »

I believe that Natalee Holloway's loving stepfather realized very early on that a coverup in the investigation dictated that justice for his stepdaughter was not about to come from an Aruban or Dutch court.  Jug Twitty's only request was that he could bring his Natalee home ...

If the contents of the cage/trap held Natalee Holloway's remains ... for the sake of a measure of closure ... the family needs to know.  Surely Aruba could afford this one significant gesture.

Janet

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updated 8:45 a.m. PT, Fri., July. 15, 2005


JUG TWITTY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY'S STEPFATHER: Beth and I have been through this emotional roller coaster. And all we want is Natalee, whether she's alive or dead. We want to bring her back to the United States, and we'll leave and they can do whatever they want to do.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8551824/

If Jug and his friends weren't there this whole thing would have been over.  He was smart and wasn't about to be fooled by Straaten, KJ and Dompig.  This is why in my opinion KJ couldn't stand him.  He stood up to her and when he did she threatened him.

Jug and Beth made an excellent team in the days ... weeks ...  following the disappearance of Natalee.  Both said it how it was.  Their collective insights were right on when they openly claimed that conflicts of interest were behind a coverup in the investigation ... a coverup that was prevent justice from prevailing.

There were trolls ... there were those within the Aruban investigation .. who implied if Jug and Beth had been more cooperative maybe ...

However ... Dave Holloway went a different route and ... where did it get him?

Janet

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Beth Twitty has to come give a declaration once more and explain what is happening with the emergency fund of millions of dollars, according to Dompig
DIARIO Aruba
10/26/2005


ORANJESTAD(AAN):  ... Dompig indicated that the mother has made her intention to boycott Aruba, while Natalee’s father has cooperated very well with the investigation.

http://getagripmonkey.blogspot.com/2005/10/beth-twitty-has-to-come-give.html


Jug Twitty Lashes Out at the Prosecutor
Wednesday, September 28, 2005


VAN SUSTEREN: The two of you got into it a little bit on the 28th, and she’s cut you off. But when she met with Dave, Natalee’s father, for four hours, did she talk about the investigation for Natalee, or did it go off on collateral issues?

TWITTY: No. She talked about the issues as far as Natalee, you know, having problems with her family with Beth and I or with her father, or whatever. Of course, all this stuff was talked about way early on in the investigation. She talked about $1 million life insurance policy on Natalee, which is just crazy. She talked about my brother being in the banking business, being in money laundering. And I mean, I just don’t know where this stuff’s coming from, Greta. It’s like she’s not even trying to find out the answers, she’s trying to find out everything, you know, that could be wrong, as far as our family goes. You know, it drives me crazy.

... Yes, she basically tells me, you know, this is the same thing as Van Der Straaten. You know, you keep acting like this, Mr. Twitty, you know, we’re going to quit. And you know, I said, Well, that’s a great attitude to have.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,170678,00.html



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« Reply #743 on: December 20, 2008, 02:29:25 PM »

I believe that Natalee Holloway's loving stepfather realized very early on that a coverup in the investigation dictated that justice for his stepdaughter was not about to come from an Aruban or Dutch court.  Jug Twitty's only request was that he could bring his Natalee home ...

If the contents of the cage/trap held Natalee Holloway's remains ... for the sake of a measure of closure ... the family needs to know.  Surely Aruba could afford this one significant gesture.

Janet

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'Scarborough Country' for July 14
updated 8:45 a.m. PT, Fri., July. 15, 2005


JUG TWITTY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY'S STEPFATHER: Beth and I have been through this emotional roller coaster. And all we want is Natalee, whether she's alive or dead. We want to bring her back to the United States, and we'll leave and they can do whatever they want to do.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8551824/

If Jug and his friends weren't there this whole thing would have been over.  He was smart and wasn't about to be fooled by Straaten, KJ and Dompig.  This is why in my opinion KJ couldn't stand him.  He stood up to her and when he did she threatened him.

Jug and Beth made an excellent team in the days ... weeks ...  following the disappearance of Natalee.  Both said it how it was.  Their collective insights were right on when they openly claimed that conflicts of interest were behind a coverup in the investigation ... a coverup that was prevent justice from prevailing.

There were trolls ... there were those within the Aruban investigation .. who implied if Jug and Beth had been more cooperative maybe ...

However ... Dave Holloway went a different route and ... where did it get him?


Janet

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Beth Twitty has to come give a declaration once more and explain what is happening with the emergency fund of millions of dollars, according to Dompig
DIARIO Aruba
10/26/2005


ORANJESTAD(AAN):  ... Dompig indicated that the mother has made her intention to boycott Aruba, while Natalee’s father has cooperated very well with the investigation.

http://getagripmonkey.blogspot.com/2005/10/beth-twitty-has-to-come-give.html


Jug Twitty Lashes Out at the Prosecutor
Wednesday, September 28, 2005


VAN SUSTEREN: The two of you got into it a little bit on the 28th, and she’s cut you off. But when she met with Dave, Natalee’s father, for four hours, did she talk about the investigation for Natalee, or did it go off on collateral issues?

TWITTY: No. She talked about the issues as far as Natalee, you know, having problems with her family with Beth and I or with her father, or whatever. Of course, all this stuff was talked about way early on in the investigation. She talked about $1 million life insurance policy on Natalee, which is just crazy. She talked about my brother being in the banking business, being in money laundering. And I mean, I just don’t know where this stuff’s coming from, Greta. It’s like she’s not even trying to find out the answers, she’s trying to find out everything, you know, that could be wrong, as far as our family goes. You know, it drives me crazy.

... Yes, she basically tells me, you know, this is the same thing as Van Der Straaten. You know, you keep acting like this, Mr. Twitty, you know, we’re going to quit. And you know, I said, Well, that’s a great attitude to have.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,170678,00.html

They did make a good team.  In the very beginning they had a spokeswoman who did their talking.  Then boom Beth took over and has never let go.  I said to myself look how this woman handles herself.  She was professional.  This made the trolls in Aruba even more nuts because they were trying their hardest to dig up dirt on her and they couldn't.  Every time someone would come up with a lie all Beth had to do is come on TV and prove them wrong.

The trolls were FOS.

You are spot on regarding Dave.  It didn't get him anywhere.

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« Reply #744 on: December 20, 2008, 02:31:50 PM »

Still to me, the single most amazing head scratcher is how a court in Aruba can make this judgement, this statement, and still call this a mystery? This decision in a legal setting that has done little in Natalee's interests, still clearly states what happened here and yet we are still being told there isn't evidence?

Premeditated Murder.

That was the charge which Karin Janssen arrested Paulus van der sloot on. The court in Aruba in one of it's last decisions, seemed to agree.

    “With attention to the lying declarations that the son of Paulus, Joran Andreas Petrus van der Sloot (hereafter Joran) gave about his last contact on the 30th of May 2005 with the disappeared Natalee Holloway, the suspicion is not unreasonable that he made himself guilty of a conduct that can be qualified as murder, manslaughter, or kidnapping that resulted in death.
    The possible involvement of Paulus with that could then be deducted from the file with the official reports of witnesses, amongst which two people suggested a contact existed between Paulus and Natalee Holloway the night of her disappearance, and a tapped report (that was given by the Prosecutor in her final note 1 to the Court). The tapped information and his declaration that he picked up Joran and Natalee by the McDonalds Palm Beach and brought them to the Holiday Inn, are clearly understood by the Dept. of Justice, and could in the judgement of this Superior Court, be considered as an indication of the involvement of Paulus in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway.”
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« Reply #745 on: December 20, 2008, 02:40:40 PM »

Still to me, the single most amazing head scratcher is how a court in Aruba can make this judgement, this statement, and still call this a mystery? This decision in a legal setting that has done little in Natalee's interests, still clearly states what happened here and yet we are still being told there isn't evidence?

Premeditated Murder.

That was the charge which Karin Janssen arrested Paulus van der sloot on. The court in Aruba in one of it's last decisions, seemed to agree.

    “With attention to the lying declarations that the son of Paulus, Joran Andreas Petrus van der Sloot (hereafter Joran) gave about his last contact on the 30th of May 2005 with the disappeared Natalee Holloway, the suspicion is not unreasonable that he made himself guilty of a conduct that can be qualified as murder, manslaughter, or kidnapping that resulted in death.
    The possible involvement of Paulus with that could then be deducted from the file with the official reports of witnesses, amongst which two people suggested a contact existed between Paulus and Natalee Holloway the night of her disappearance, and a tapped report (that was given by the Prosecutor in her final note 1 to the Court). The tapped information and his declaration that he picked up Joran and Natalee by the McDonalds Palm Beach and brought them to the Holiday Inn, are clearly understood by the Dept. of Justice, and could in the judgement of this Superior Court, be considered as an indication of the involvement of Paulus in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway.”


When I heard the charge "Premeditated Murder" against Paulus I was shocked.

After Marianne Croes made this blunder and I believe it was a blunder we never saw her again.  She was not suppose to say the charge.
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« Reply #746 on: December 20, 2008, 03:13:17 PM »


They did make a good team.  In the very beginning they had a spokeswoman who did their talking.  Then boom Beth took over and has never let go.  I said to myself look how this woman handles herself.  She was professional.  This made the trolls in Aruba even more nuts because they were trying their hardest to dig up dirt on her and they couldn't.  Every time someone would come up with a lie all Beth had to do is come on TV and prove them wrong.

The trolls were FOS.

You are spot on regarding Dave.  It didn't get him anywhere.

JMO

You are so right San!!

Those who attempted to undermine Beth's words and actions were always left with egg on their faces time and time again..

Janet

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As missing-teen case cools, Aruba turns against family
By Carol J. Williams
Los Angeles Times


Renfro says she was perplexed when Twitty immediately concluded that her daughter had been kidnapped and made no effort to check hospitals or police about accident victims. Within hours, Twitty had concluded van der Sloot was responsible, and within a couple of days she was telling TV interviewers that she knew her daughter had been gang-raped and murdered.

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2003741183_aruba09.html


NANCY GRACE
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Aired August 26, 2005 - 20:00:00   ET


HELEN LEJUEZ, TWITTY FAMILY ATTORNEY: I don`t think this has to do with a lot of wiretapping. I do believe it has to do with bringing forth the new evidence. It has to do with the case approaching the 60 days and that they are adding new evidence so they can have the case going.

GRACE: OK, what new evidence, Helen?

LEJUEZ: The rape case.

GRACE: OK. You said new evidence. What "new evidence" regarding Natalee Holloway do you think prosecutors have?

LEJUEZ: Right now, they`re talking about a gang rape. So when we talk about a gang rape, we talk about a gang. The gang consisted of three of them. Right?

GRACE: Right.

LEJUEZ: Even though -- even though maybe it`s not out that the other suspect that`s in jail right now will be added to the gang, he is part of the gang.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0508/26/ng.01.html


Brothers arrested again in Aruba case
Two held on suspicion of acting with others in teen's rape, killing
Saturday, August 27, 2005 Posted: 0319 GMT (1119 HKT)


(CNN) -- After being detained and then released last month in Natalee Holloway's disappearance, two brothers were arrested again Friday in Aruba on suspicion they acted "together with other people" in raping and killing the Alabama teen, the prosecutor's office said.

Without elaborating on the evidence, the office said in a statement that "new facts and circumstances" led them to re-arrest Satish Kalpoe, 18 and brother Deepak, 21.

"They are suspected of the primary criminal act of together with other people committing premeditated murder, alternately together with other people murdering somebody, more alternately rob a person of her liberty with fatal consequences and even more alternately raping somebody," the statement said.

"Aside from these suspicions against the two brothers, there are new suspicions, which at this point the prosecutor is not commenting on."

http://edition.cnn.com/2005/LAW/08/26/aruba.arrests/index.html
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« Reply #747 on: December 20, 2008, 03:20:57 PM »

San ... I copied the open letter twice.  Please delete one.

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« Reply #748 on: December 20, 2008, 03:32:57 PM »

San ... I copied the open letter twice.  Please delete one.

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Janet

I was saying to myself wow what a long letter 

I think I did it right.  Let me know if something is wrong.
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« Reply #749 on: December 20, 2008, 03:33:01 PM »

San ... please just delete post 747.  I really messed up.  Thanks

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FLASHBACK TO ARUBA'S ONGOING ATTEMPT TO DISCREDIT BETH AND JUG BY WAY OF THE INTERNET!

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statinmyopinion2 Posted: Sun Jul 30, 2006 1:21 am

OPEN LETTER TO BETH TWITTY.


DEAR BETH...

IT'S BEEN 425 DAYS SINCE YOUR DAUGHTER DISAPPEARED FROM ARUBA.

For about 6 months straight, you were a staple on all the cable news stations. You have been able to state, without proof/evidence that your daughter was a victim of being drugged, kidnapped, gang-raped and murdered. You have shown no proof of these allegations, whatsoever. You painted a picture of your daughter, that has come to light, is not true. She didn't graduate with honors at Mt Brook High School, she was not accepted into a college on a full-ride medical scholarship, nor did she have the character, that your had to establish to the public at large. My question is why did you have to LIE about your own daughter? Proof is in pictures posted on the internet, and proof is the listing in the Birmingham paper, that your daughter was not an honor grad. She never received a full-ride medical scholarship to ANY college. Why does it seem that you needed to create this whole other Natalee, that wasn't??

There are rumors abound that Natalee participated in attention seeking behavior, in the past. Your own step son, George Twitty III, even stated in the Birminham press last june, that his first reaction of hearing that his step-sister didn't make her flight home, was "What has she done now". So did Natalee run away before? What did GT III mean by this statement? Is this why, the FAB 7 was all set to go? Was this just another in a long line, of group FAB 7 on another venture to get Natalee back? Have you and the Fab 7, done this in the past, that you thought all of you, could swoop down in Aruba, get Natalee and get home to the USA before her biological father found out she had gone "missing"?

Why wasn't Dave Holloway contacted by you personally? Why was it he had to hear about his own daughters disappearance, late into the evening hours, after you were securely on your way to Aruba, by Matt? Why didn't you contact the man at all, when you landed or return his many frantic calls to you? Why did you leave him out of the loop? What were you in fear of him finding out? That Natalee has done this in the past? Who was the woman that changed Natalee flight for the next day?

What kind of relationship did Natalee have with her father? Why didn't she see her father for a year, before her disappearance? Why did her father feel uncomfortable entering your home, a home that she had lived in for the last 5 yrs of her life? What was it that had Natalee crying so hard, that her dad got in a vehicle and drove to Mt Brook, only to find out everything was "fine" when he got there? Why didn't Dave ever come to that house in the past? What was the divorce like between you and Dave? Did Natalee and Matt suffer because the divorce was not amlicable? Did you use those children as pawns because you both couldn't work out your own divorce issues? Why after the disappearance of your daughter that you both couldn't seem to put whatever differences aside and work together to help find your daughter?

What did your husband Jugs mean that he had to coach Natalee everday for 5 yrs after you and your children moved into his house? Did he coach Matthew the same way? How did Natalee react to this "coaching"? How did Natalee feel about Jug Twitty, her step-father? her step brother? What kind of feelings did Natalee have about moving from Mississippi to Alabama? Not only away from her biological father, but her only home she ever knew, school, her friends?? What kind of perfection was expected out of these children, by Jug Twitty? Why did Jug wait until AFTER you both were married to introduce you all to his children?

Was Jug ever physically abusive to those children? To you? Why is it that you left MB, and havent really been back? Were you an abused wife? Are you trying to protect the fact that Jug not only was physically abusive to you, and the children, but emotionally...as well? If thats the case, don't you think it would better serve a purpose you speaking out for all victims of abuse? I would think that would be more advantageous then spreading travel information. Has Natalee ever been in counseling? Have you ever been in family counseling with the children? How come Matt stayed at friends home, while you're traveling the U.S., instead of with his step father?

When upon hearing that Natalee missed her flight, your imediate reaction was "kidnapped". Why wouldn't you think she had an accident? Better yet, why didnt you just think that Natalee was out having a good time, lost all track of time, and just missed her flight? If you thought she had been kidnapped, WHY didn't you immediately contact the Aruban Authorities? You should know in a kidnapping situation the first 24-48 hours is crucial. YET YOU DIDN'T! That boggles my mind. Instead you contacted the FAB 7, got a private plane secured, posters made up and TOOK off to Aruba. Why wasn't there any hospitals called to see maybe if there was a JANE DOE taken to the hospital? Or if you felt your daughter was kidnapped, you made posters up ...........asking her to call you?

Upon arriving in Aruba, did you first go to the police? No. That boggles my mind. You first went to the hotel, to watch security video's. Then you weren't concerned about seeing YOUR daughter on them, you wanted to see the the boy, that you already had the name of that your daughter left with. You weren't concerned with finding Natalee, in as much as you were concerned with WANTING to get to the boy, YOU thought she was with. Then upon seeing/hearing that Natalee was not with him, immediately you made the deduction, and have had it in your mind since, that this young man was the person that YOU were going to see pay for her disappearance, and you haven't wavered from that since day 1.


What was behind the meaning of your statement, that when you seen all the Us Media decend upon Aruba, "that you new then, that you were in trouble"? What kind of trouble? Were you afraid, that the media might dig up some news that Natalee, had perhaps been a runaway before? That the "darling" you sold to the public, was not what she was about after all? Well it came out, through various internet sources...that Natalee was not the shy, never drank in Alabama, not a party girl, naive, etc, that you portrayed to the public. In fact, Natalee enjoyed drinking, partying, smoking, etc. That fact came out with the FBI statements given by those same "responsible" friends that Natalee hung out with. Amongst others back in Mt Brook, that were tired of the spin.

You stated a medi-jet was sitting on the carmac for two days. Why? I have never heard of a medi-jet on stand by for 2 days, for something that MIGHT happen. I would love for you to produce a receipt for this "medi-jet". It seems that this medi-jet while standing by in Aruba, another person who was harmed and needed it, might not be transported. Did Natalee have a drug problem in the past, that you might think that it uprooted itself again while in Aruba? How does one ask for a medi-jet to be flown in, and sit on a tarmac for two whole days? What kind of connections do you people have?

What was on that voice mail call to William at 4 am in the morning? Why did that phone call upset William so much, that had him crying on the phone to Charles Croes for 45 minutes? Why did you have a perfect stranger listen to a call that supposedly came from Natalee to William? Why didn't you share this with the police?

Why, when asked what type of luggage your daughter took with her to Aruba, you stated it was irrelevant? EVERYTHING is relevant in a missng persons case. Why does the DUTCH TV RE-ENACTMENT show Natalee arriving in Aruba, with a blue suitcase? Yet everytime her room is shown, or the hotel room is shown, there is only a small purple knapsack shown as her luggage? Did Natalee have a checking account? ATM card? Has her bank account been checked out, for withdrawals of large amounts for the days leading up to her disappearance? Are any of her clothes missing that you know of? Was her computer taken and checked out?

Did Natalee either text you messages or send emails to you during her stay in Aruba, or before she left? Did Natalee contact her brother while being in Aruba? Jugs? YOU say YOU never talked to Natalee,.but what about emails, text messages? How about leaving voice mails on the phone at home? Did she leave you a voice mail message on your cell phone? You say that Natalee's phone wasn't set up for international calling, but did Natalee have phone cards? Why wasn't her phone set up for international calling, when you knew this from Jug's sons trip from two years previous?And why is Joe Tapocina stating it as fact, that he has phone records that prove that what you were stating that there was no contact with Natalee, by you, or vice versa, not true??

There seems to be a discrepency in when you found out about Natalee's disappearance. FEB states she called your right away, at about 8 am that morning. Paul Lilly states he called you around 10:30. Jody Bearman states she called you at noon. You state you were driving down the road when you got the first phone call at noon. And you were still in Arkansas. That a Arkansas State Trooper pulled you over for going over 100 mph, and that you stated that your daughter had been kidnapped in Aruba and you needed help contacting the FBI. How did you make it back so quickly, from Arkansas to Mt Brook, make travel arrangements,secure a private plane, get a group of friends/family together, pack, and make posters and be down in Aruba by 11 pm that night? It's the timeline I have problems with. Can you clarify? Or was this already planned earlier. Did you get a phone call from someone earlier in the day, that Natalee had NO plans of coming back to Alabama? Maybe from Frances Ellen Byrd??

It still boggles my mind, and maybe you can help me understand, is WHY didn't YOU or JUG go immediately to the police station and file a report of a "kidnapping", or "missing persons" report? Why is it that there were several posters made, all with different phone numbers to contact?Why did you include a picture of YOU and Natalee on the poster? Wouldnt that confuse people? Maybe they were looking for you? Why is it you NEVER went on TV begging, pleading with the so called kidnappers to contact you? Why is it that it was only pleading for Natalee to contact you? Whatever it is, we can work it out? What is "it", that you were referring to? Did you know that Natalee was having some problems?


Why was sitting down and answering any and all questions posed to you by the ALE, not acceptable to you? Why did you keep turning the other cheek when your husband was acting like a abusive asshole on that island, to people who were only trying to help? What are you worried about that Julia Renfro might know? Why was it you had to resort to calling her a bitch? What did she do to you, that made you do an about face with her? Or was she seeing through the "scam", getting a bit to close to some truths, so you immediately had to put that fire out...and start discrediting her. Why was it, do you suppose that Karin Janssen stated that she would not communicate with either of you directly, that any and all communication would have to go through legal channels, such as an attorney. Could it be that Jug and you BOTH were verbally abusive to her, when it seemed like you weren't getting your way. Just who do you think YOU are, to go to another country, a soveriegn country, and try to change their laws, their way of doing things, just for you? Demands, threats, were not, and did not get you any closer to what happened to your daughter. Writing letters, demanding a "regimine" change did not endear you to those who were working day and night to find Natalee.

The arrest/release of 2 security guards, Mickey Johns and Abram Jones, you were almost gleeful these two were released. How do you know that they had nothing to do with your daughters disappearance? Apparently Natalee was seen on video speaking to Mickey Johns, THAT night. Is it true that there were items of the MB children, found in his home? That these said items were in fact traded for drugs? Apparently these two had a history, of trying to pick up young women tourists at the hotels. But yet again, IF anyone other that J2k, you dismiss as viable suspects, in your mind.


Why did you align yourself with so many unsavory characters? First Jossy Mansur, then Joe Mannama, Jamie Skeeters, etc. Its YOUR credibility that comes into question...........when the public sees you standing by these types, and calling them your "hero's". Joe M, stood there next to you, spilling out that ONE American's life is worth MORE than 100,000 Arubans. Are you that self-aborbed, or so full of yourself that YOU think that YOUR daughter is the only one that matters in this entire world? Open your eyes, since Natalee has been "missing" there have been at LEAST 10 cases of missing persons, that we the public know about (through the media) that have gone unsolved, RIGHT here on OUR borders. How many missing persons are in Alabama, that those families do not have closure, who showed up at the Govenors Mansion...and speaking of that, didn't you or JUGS feel a little bit guilty that "love bowls" were only put out for you two, when there were other family members with missing loved ones, that don't have closure, and all they got was a "candle"? Why aren't you calling for a BOYCOTT of your own STATE, for those people?

Why are the MB "children" and chaperones given a free pass by you? How can you say, with 100% certainty that none of them could of brought harm to Natalee? I am sure you know her closest personal friends, but there were 124 students total on this trip. With 7 chaperones and their spouses. How do you know that others, besides her bestest friends couldn't of brought harm to Natalee? Maybe someone she made angry? Someone that wasnt in her "clique"? Yet you don't want them questioned, or you never questioned them, why it was that NONE of them had your daughters back that night. To leave her alone in a bar, intoxicated, doing things that beyond "normal" for her, and not questioning or making her leave with any of them. I would be so angry at these so called friends! Why doesn't her bestest friends in the whole world, even talk about Natalee with any type of emotion. They speak about her, as something they "lost" in Aruba, like an I-pod, or a cell phone...are people that cold and unfeeling in the land of Mt Brook? Has it ever occured to you that Natalee might of caused some problems in Aruba, with other students?

In cases of missing persons, the public usually hears from their siblings, teachers, employers. Why is everyone afraid to come out and speak about Natalee? What is with Matts statement, when asked about how he is coping with his sisters disappearance, his reply was "I try not to think about it". HUH?

Why did you go into a classroom of kindergartners, that were kind enough to hold a prayer vigil for you and Natalee, and also offer to learn to make yarn bracelets for you to sell, ONLY for you to traumatize little girls, by telling them there is a "HORRIBLE young man on the island, that likes to harm little blonde girls like you"? Were you implying that Joran Van Der Sloot is/was a pedophile? What possible AGENDA did you have to traumatize innocent young girls? Were you hoping these young 5 year olds would go home, and tell their mommy and daddies of the big bad man? YOU, of all PEOPLE, who were a TEACHER! My god woman, have YOU no shame, no boundaries? Anyone would do, if it means hurting EVERY single citizen, even the most young and innocent, in Aruba? I would of kicked your ass out of the country for that. "Grieving mother" or not!!

What did Marcia Twitty mean, by her statement, if it all gets out, we are all going down, INCLUDING Natalee? What was "it". The drinking, the bed hopping? Drugs?

AmSouth bank, held a TRUST fund for Natalee. People were sending donations from all over the world, as far away as Jeruselum...its been reported. Yet, you told Tim Miller, the fund is broke. How can that be, when those donations that were being sent in, were to be used to for the "continue search for Natalee Holloway". Yet, nothing was paid out of those funds (tim miller states he wouldn't accept a penny from the family). Did you use those funds to start up the Save Yourself Foundation, that turned into Safe Travel Foundation, that is now being called International Safe Travels foundation? Do you feel perhaps that you took money that was to go to help finding Natalee, to help you fund a new career choice? And how do you explain it to the public that donated to the funds for the exact purpose of helping offset costs of searching for Natalee? And yet, 425 days later, there is NO viable searches being done by the family, for Natalee, whatsoever. Can you explain WHY? Tim Miller was on the Dana Pretzer radio show, just a couple of weeks ago, asking the PUBLIC to donate 5 dollars each. Why? Why should the public keep footing the bill to find YOUR daughter, when its apparent that neither biological parent, that have seperate "foundations, trust funds, profits from books, paid speaking engagements etc" aren't willing to foot the bill for ANY searches. Can you explain to the PUBLIC why THEY should feel the need to bankroll any more searches?

Why haven't you or Dave been back down on that island? Don't you want to help get answers to where your daughter is? If you feel that you would be in danger, take some of that "speaking engagement money/book profit money" and hire body guards for you both. OR take your new found friend Bo Dietl with you, or the Felon in PA, Joe Mannama. Oh wait, he can't enter Aruba..he's a felon. My bad. I am sure that Jossy Manur has enough thugs on Aruba he can let you borrow to keep you safe. OR is it true that you can't go back to Aruba, for fear of being arrested? Charges such as, leaving the country w/o settling/paying lawyer fees. Obstruction of justice, for bribing a witness in an ongoing police investigation? Or possible lawsuits, from the Van Der Sloots, Kalope family..etc?

So lets talk about those documents you state you have. You stated right on Geraldo's show, that you smuggled 5-7 SIGNED documents out of Aruba...........that states in fact, that Joran Van Der Sloot, along with Deepak and Satish Kalope, drugged and gang-raped your daughter. SIGNED by not only Joran Van Der Sloot, but by the 2 Kalope brothers as well, along with Police officer signatures. Why hasn't any news anchor, SEEN these documents that you supposedly had. I am sure Geraldo is still waiting. As is the public at large. Greta wanted to read them as well. .............yet at NO time has those "documents" been released so that the public can substantiate your allegations. Then a few months later, YOU changed the whole story regarding these documents, and stated that they were only translated to you at the lawyers office and you "took notes". See why some people who are following this case FOR Natalee, question your credibility?

The Dr. Phil/Jamie Skeeters fiasco. We (the people that have been following this case FOR Natalee), know now for a fact, that you received a copy of Jamie Skeeters unedited/unmanipulated tape. Yet you sat on the Dr Phil show, while an edited/manipulated tape was played. Sitting there shaking your head yes, knowing full well, this was a manipulation to try to frame young men for a rape that was never committed. Why do you need to state your daughter was drugged and gang-raped when there is NO evidence to prove it? Why as a mother would you wish the most horrible acts upon a woman, there could be, for your daughter? I would understand had there been ANY evidence such a crime against Natalee took place, but there isn't. So what I would like to know is this, where the HELL are you coming from? Or was this a way to garner sympathy from the public, which turned into donations?

Tell me, the Call for the BOYCOTT of Aruba, what answers has that exactly brought you? Are you any closer of finding out what happened to Natalee? Will the hotel workers, restaurant workers, the little people losing jobs, homes, not being able to feed their children, clothe their children, endear you more to the Aruban citizens? Those same Aruban citizens that could of brought you some closure? Do you think that anyone that might of had information, that maybe was to scared to come forward earlier, will now just say forget it? The government of Aruba will never fold on a Boycott. It's the very citizens of Aruba, that rolled out the red carpet for you, and your family/friends, that will be hurt. And now you state on National TV tonight, that those same wonderful people believe that Natalee is at fault? Are you outta your friggin mind?


Do you really think bringing a civil lawsuit against Joran and Paulus Van Der Sloot, is going to help you attain answers? IF the suit is accepted in NYC, and Judge Kapnick will reside over it, do you realize that Joran and Paulus are not going to be the only persons deposed in this case? The burden of PROOF is going to be on your side. Joe Tapocina, in all his wisely lawyering, will depose everyone that was on that trip. That means the entire class of Mt Brook, the chaperones, their spouses, YOU, Jugs, DAVE, ROBIN, the entire family will be called to be deposed, everyone or anyone that EVER had contact with Natalee, will come under a microscope. And no, one can SAY (like they did with the FBI) I am not going to answer..any questions, then the JUDGE can ORDER them to comply or be held in contempt. You really want to put the whole town of Mt Brook under a microscope? And what IF those answers are not the ones you were seeking? In fact, what IF it is exactly what you have been trying to contain the last year, comes all out. YES all of it will come out............all the secret skeletons, the divorce of you and Dave, the divorce of Jug and Wendy, their children, everything.....................you may get those answers, but I am thinking they are not going to be to your liking! People are going to have to take the stand, and swear to tell the truth. Me think you opened up a can of worms..........................and yes, the world will be watching.........

Back in September 2005, your husband, made an announcement on the cable news stations, that the WORLD is GOING to be SHOCKED, soon. What did he mean by this? Was this about the Skeeter tape? Yea, we were shocked! The public was shocked that you and Dr Phil along with Jamie Skeeters would sink so low, as to manipulate evidence to frame 3 young men for rape. Also, your husband stated that 7 of the people that went with you to Aruba that night, and were among the ones standing outside the Van Der Sloot home, were going to go to a federal judge in Alabama, and have sworn affidavits made, that they heard Joran Van Der Sloot, state emphatically that he sexually assaulted Natalee. Now where are those sworn affidavits? Why were none of these affidavits put in the lawsuit against Joran and Paulus??

So you say, that the Aruban Police Department should of budgeted more, to find your daughter. They spent 40% of their police budget on Natalee. Do you really think that IF Natalee went missing in the USA, say, Mt Brook, that the police there would be still conducting an investigation? Do you think they would of spent 40% of their budget looking for her? Do you think the state of Alabama, would of called on the Federal Government for 3 f-16 fighter jets to fly over mt brook in search of Natalee? Do you think that after 15 months that Natalee would be a priority to the MB police dept? Or would they have already moved it into a cold case file, and state, since there is NO evidence that even a crime was committed, she is only listed as a missing young woman?


So far you have blamed Joran, Paulus, Deepak, Satish, the entire population of Aruba, Aruba's government, the ALE, everyone. Do you ever feel that you may hold some responsibility for sending, a shy, naive, virgin, that in your words, you didn't have long enough to teach basic common sense, to an all inclusive, drink, bed-hopping, un-supervised, teens gone wild week in an carribean Island destination? Do you feel that Natalee HERSELF holds any responsibility for getting up that morning, and choosing to drink all day long, and again that night, to where she was intoxicated enough to let strange boys lick belly shots off her, and dance vicariously on the bar, then top of allf that, further participated in risky behavior, by WILLINGLY leave a bar, with 3 island boys she had NO clue who they were?

My last questions to you Beth is this....what in the last 425 days of your daughter missing, that YOU have done, to bring any type of closure to the disappearance of your daughter? How about in the last few days? Weeks? What exactly ARE you doing to help the ALE or FBI solve this case? Why aren't you actively searching for Natalee? Why aren't you down on that island.........................an island that YOU stated for a fact you would NEVER leave w/o Natalee, if it took 40 yrs, and you had to purchase a home there. So what are you, or Dave done in say the last month to help bring closure to Natalee's disappearance? Why aren't you paying for any type of searches, or paying a private eye to get answers? I know you go on TV, complaining, whining, bitching that ALE is not doing enough, but WHAT, as the PARENTS of NATALEE , are YOU and DAVE DOING?? I don't think that Natalee is in anywhere of the 50 united states, that you're traveling to. Your not going to find the answers by spreading travel fear, to young people...that isn't any kind of monument to Natalee that you're collecting 2 grand fee's for 45 minute speeches having to do with "knowing when an bar establishment closes", "having a CELL phone that works properly or is set up for international calling", or when out underage drinking, make sure you have a buddy system in place, and enforce it". What has THIS got to do with bringing Natalee back home to the USA?

Oh and another thing, don't bother coming to Michigan. Most parents here are wise enough, not to send their barely 18 yr olds, on an all you can drink, teens gone wild, extravaganza, WITH no APPARENT adult supervision, trip to a carribean island, for a high school graduation trip! NOT one SCHOOL would endorse such nonsense. Even though it's been said that the school didn't sponsor this trip, the chaperones were all hand picked by the students on which teachers they wanted to go. I guess they picked the ones that they knew, they could get away with a bunch of carousing, drinking etc, because there are many pictures of the chaperones that were drinking right along with the students.(even the 17 yr old ones).among other things. And if you do come to Michigan, be aware that I'll be one sitting in the audience, waiting to ask you these very same questions, I have posed in this thread

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« Reply #750 on: December 20, 2008, 03:46:21 PM »

Kermit,

Was this information from Kyle?  If not, please tell me where it came from if possible.

"it was Clyde Burke that went to the meeting with Helen Lejuz"

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« Reply #752 on: December 20, 2008, 03:55:28 PM »

"And if you do come to Michigan, be aware that I'll be one sitting in the audience, waiting to ask you these very same questions, I have posed in this thread."

 


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« Reply #753 on: December 20, 2008, 03:57:23 PM »

"And if you do come to Michigan, be aware that I'll be one sitting in the audience, waiting to ask you these very same questions, I have posed in this thread."

 


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« Reply #754 on: December 20, 2008, 03:57:24 PM »

Kermit,

Was this information from Kyle?  If not, please tell me where it came from if possible.

"it was Clyde Burke that went to the meeting with Helen Lejuz"

TIA

Texasmom ... I am also confused in regards to where Kyle's quote ends.

Kermit ... HELP!!!

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Kyle said: "- IF a key detective's brother knew the latitude the trap was disposed at or very near, then it's probable the detective knew the same.

- IF the detective knew the latitude, how did he come to this knowledge?

- Who else knew this information?


Since the trap was only in 90ft of water and the detective knew about the latitude, did the Polis already know if it's location prior to the search?


The detective originally wouldn't meet with us and only wanted us to meet with his brother. We convinced him to meet along with his brother and made him feel as comfortable as possible. He reluctantly agreed but wouldn't talk. The brother did all the talking at first. It seemed to me the brother was acting out the "vision" scenario to protect the detective brother. It didn't feel like the brother was in any way corrupt or connected. Also, he wasn't that bright compared to the detective brother. After a while the detective started asking some questions and loosened up a bit. With the pointed questions he asked he proved he knew a lot, but we didn't press him.


The reason I think the detective is Simian is that:
- he is intimately connected to the case
- forced into silence
- both he and the brother seemed to want the case solved but the whole encounter was so CRYPTIC
- he is condemned if his identity and knowledge were BOTH exposed. One or the other, he's still safe
- He was intelligent and had a good enough command over the english language (not common over the rest of the bunch)


- IF his brother was acting on his behalf with the whole 'I had a vision' act, then the detective's character supports pulling something like Simian off.
- the detective was very internet and computer savy, which was unusual for the bulk of the Polis.
- It seemed he knew who I was when we were introduced, and said something indicating he had been reading the blog.
- his character was very cryptic; the way he moved, spoke, and asked questions was just not normal.

"Caps is not Simian. He has indicated he knows who was either Shango or Simian. The person he thinks it is, is a cop.


it was Clyde Burke that went to the meeting with Helen Lejuz


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« Reply #755 on: December 20, 2008, 03:58:37 PM »

"And if you do come to Michigan, be aware that I'll be one sitting in the audience, waiting to ask you these very same questions, I have posed in this thread."

 


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« Reply #756 on: December 20, 2008, 03:59:51 PM »

I removed the post Tamikosmom.  I also removed the link to the website.

Thanks San.

I will not promise never to bother you again when I mess up.  Klaas knows I have broken that promise to her time and time again.

If only I could be afforded the edit option.  I promised her I would not tell the other Monkeys.

 

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I removed the post Tamikosmom.  I also removed the link to the website.

Thanks San.

I will not promise never to bother you again when I mess up.  Klaas knows I have broken that promise to her time and time again.

If only I could be afforded the edit option.  I promised her I would not tell the other Monkeys.

 

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You are never a bother.

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"And if you do come to Michigan, be aware that I'll be one sitting in the audience, waiting to ask you these very same questions, I have posed in this thread."

 


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« Reply #759 on: December 20, 2008, 04:19:41 PM »

Hello Janet, and good posters!

Kermit, the photos have kept me busy.

Wreck, we (all) have times when we hold back, or blurt out.

Red, I'm looking forward to something, anything--large, small.

Most of us have been here (there, and wherever) trying our best to get Natalee home.  I am thankful for each and every one who is trying to achieve this end.

We have been on this, through births and deaths, through Holiday after Holiday.  It is foolish to believe this will go away!

Bring on the Pore Inspection!
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