Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #75

[rmcalo]

A few thoughts have come to mind in reading all the latest events and comparing them to that which we already know. 

Given that Caylee was placed very close to the home has me thinking that Casey was sure that her story about the Nanny would be one that would pan out.  She 1 could have been hoping that nature would take its course and scatter the bones for her or 2 that she could of course blame the Kidnapping Nanny.

Looking back now, she started plotting this all early on.  I think she was plotting to frame her friend Amy.  She had told Amy she could live with her, move in with her as she was getting the home from Cindy.  Amy had a key..."Nanny has a key Mom".  I know this seems all farfetched, but in my mind I think she was planning and plotting several different types of scenarios in order to have one handy for when she needed her "kidnapper" to blame, or her "murderer" to blame.  It has all backfired on her as LE did not buy the BS from the get-go.  Sorry, but I honestly feel like Amy was going to be a fall guy for something.

Also, a last thought on the new bones found.  We have all thought that maybe Casey had birthed a son prior to Caylee.  Just thinking outloud here.  Also, I wonder if they are finding other remains, such as small animals.  I know that its been studied that children who grow up to be murderers have had a history of violence in killing, some times start with small animals and gradually progress.

True, although that also points to abuse and excessive paternalism in the family.
I'm wondering, though, if there are animal remains that might point to premeditation, like if Casey tried out her chloroform or whatever murder weapon she wanted to use, on a local cat or dog first, before using it on Caylee, for instance.

Dolce, I think you might be right about Amy. Remember Amy woke up in different pants with money stolen, and Casey explained it away? And now Amy believes Casey actually did this to her? Probably by knocking her out with chloroform. I was wondering if Casey actually stole her pants to make them part of her crime scene somehow, thus framing Amy.

[Hudsunn]

RMCALO, good points about the photography connection.  I have wondered if maybe Casey took some kiddie porn pix of Caylee.  I know that is an awful thing to contemplate, but from what I here, that stuff sells well and perhaps Casey thought Caylee was too young to even realize what was going on.  She has described herself as "desperate" and she stole money from relatives and friends, so money was a big concern for her.  I hope none of this is true, but it had crossed my mind also that she might sedate Caylee to take pictures of her to try to sell.

[joesamas mama]

I am so confused about the pesticide.  What would she have used this for?  Do you think this had anything to do with Caylee's death. 

Usually pesticide contains a chemical that makes it sticky, so that it won't wash away. So if Casey sprayed it into the trunk to kill flies or maggots then the residue would be on the trash bags. It doesn't wash off without a soap solution. The trash bags were only under water which would not rinse the pesticide away.
Or there is some under the duct tape or in the material.
Make sense?

Wouldn't a pesticide melt the plastic. I used to spray Off on me and it would screw up my fake nails.

Yet you still continued to spray it on your skin?  Thanks for the heads up!

Mosquitoes bite the hell out of me. I play softball at night during the summer. It wouldn't do anything to my skin or makeup, but would tear the crap out of my fake nails. Yes I wear makeup and fake nails to play softball. Gotta look good cause you never know what might happen.

[Sea Searcher]

Thanks, Dana, Great show!!!

 

Hi Bearly !!! I wanted to say Hi earlier but we got talking about bugs.. and you vanished 

[cheeky monkey]

Another thing, totally off all the topics being discussed, that bothers me is in George's interviews he always seems over protective and pretty weird when he talks about Casey's boyfriends.

Does anyone remember his interview when he talks about Cindy and him coming home and Jesse and Casey are in her room.  He says they are sitting on her bed, fully clothed with Casey in between them watching t.v.  He basically says Cindy has to keep him from throwing the guy out.  This is after Caylee was born and Casey and Jesse were engaged.  I thought it was a bizarre over reaction to the situation as he described it.  He also talks about how he never met Tony but he doesn't even want to look at him, blah, blah, blah.

[Bearlyhere]

Zanny had a key to the Anthony house!!!

Some how Zanny had access to all the evidence that wound up in the pasltic bag and on the duct tape like hair and rug fibers.

Think anout it all ... after Caylee's remains were found the police had an emmidiate warrant for the finger prints of Cindy & George. Not that they are involved ... however ... there has to be finger prints on the duct tape.

BTW ... why is it that no one has ever seen Zanny?

Maybe cause there is no Zanny? You think there are fingerprints on the the tape, right Red? 

Do invisible fingerprints from invisible nannies show up on duct tape?

 

Only if the dream team compares the prints!

I think they are the ream team. 

[maybe tomorrow]

MaybeTomorrow, cases like these always make me think of people who want kids and cannot have them or loving parents who have lost children to illness, etc.  The really tragic part is if Casey somehow got away with this, she would probably get pregnant again.  And I suppose Cindy would be there cheering her on.

 You are so right! Casey cannot get away with this and people really need to think of that as well when it comes to GA & CA. LA will probably have a child at some point - they will be grandparents again - they need to be held accountable for any participation that they may have had in obstructing the investigation, etc... IMO

[OriginalKat]

I have to laugh in visualizing the PI out there with a meter trying to locate electronic devices. Don't they realize the FBI is involved with this case and they probably have ways of bugging places that are alot more able to go undetected than probably whatever device the PI has. 

[N2WISHN]

RMCALO, good points about the photography connection.  I have wondered if maybe Casey took some kiddie porn pix of Caylee.  I know that is an awful thing to contemplate, but from what I here, that stuff sells well and perhaps Casey thought Caylee was too young to even realize what was going on.  She has described herself as "desperate" and she stole money from relatives and friends, so money was a big concern for her.  I hope none of this is true, but it had crossed my mind also that she might sedate Caylee to take pictures of her to try to sell.

I have heard of children being sedated with chloroform for the purpose of kiddie porn. In many recent pictures of little Caylee she looked so wistful to me. Gone was the childlike joy that was present in earlier pictures. Various forms of abuse could be responsible for that, but in my eyes that baby just wasn't happy. What was happening to her?

[Hudsunn]

Concerning whether this was premeditated or not...in the Scott Peterson case, I thought that he had thought of killing Laci and when he got involved with Amber, he really started to think about it a lot, since the baby was soon to be born.  He wanted to get rid of both Laci and the baby, preferably before it was born.  I don't think he had all the details worked out.  Time caught up with him or Laci confronted him about something, and he acted sooner than he planned and had to improvise some things.  Likewise, I think the thought was in Casey's head that her life would be simpler without a child, and for whatever reasons, she would not just give custody to Cindy.  She knew Cindy would take the child, but she did not want Cindy to have her.  Something caused her to blow up and lash out at Caylee or to do something that was dangerous for Caylee and ended in disaster.  I have wondered if it was Cindy's online post, which I think is going to play a big part in all of this.  But that probably was posted after Caylee was dead, not before.  Something made Casey really mad at Cindy and really mad at Caylee at the same time.  It may have rushed her to do something she had contemplated but not really planned fully. 

If she thought that Cindy was going to a lawyer and getting custody, she may have gotten so angry that she decided to take away the thing Cindy seemed to want most.  It is sad, because I doubt Cindy could have gotten custody unless she had a lot more evidence of bad parenting than we have seen thus far.

[Wyks]

http://www.wftv.com/news/18285004/detail.html

Just read this news report on the meter guy won't be paid reward of $5,000. because 911 was called first. Isn't that a bunch of you know what? Anyway Padilla said he thinks the guy deserves something and if the remains are Caylee he is going to write him a check.

Wonder what the heck calling 911 first has to do with it?  That's BS, in my opinion! 

I like Padilla's style, kudo's to him! 

[CharlieGirl]

Another thing, totally off all the topics being discussed, that bothers me is in George's interviews he always seems over protective and pretty weird when he talks about Casey's boyfriends.

Does anyone remember his interview when he talks about Cindy and him coming home and Jesse and Casey are in her room.  He says they are sitting on her bed, fully clothed with Casey in between them watching t.v.  He basically says Cindy has to keep him from throwing the guy out.  This is after Caylee was born and Casey and Jesse were engaged.  I thought it was a bizarre over reaction to the situation as he described it.  He also talks about how he never met Tony but he doesn't even want to look at him, blah, blah, blah.

He liked Ryan, even though I think he got his name wrong  LOL

I think he was subtly suggesting that TL was involved in Caylees disappearance.  He spoke of his concerns about Casey's "new" group of friends.  IMO, he was only throwing TL under the bus.

[mammy]

A few thoughts have come to mind in reading all the latest events and comparing them to that which we already know. 

Given that Caylee was placed very close to the home has me thinking that Casey was sure that her story about the Nanny would be one that would pan out.  She 1 could have been hoping that nature would take its course and scatter the bones for her or 2 that she could of course blame the Kidnapping Nanny.

Looking back now, she started plotting this all early on.  I think she was plotting to frame her friend Amy.  She had told Amy she could live with her, move in with her as she was getting the home from Cindy.  Amy had a key..."Nanny has a key Mom".  I know this seems all farfetched, but in my mind I think she was planning and plotting several different types of scenarios in order to have one handy for when she needed her "kidnapper" to blame, or her "murderer" to blame.  It has all backfired on her as LE did not buy the BS from the get-go.  Sorry, but I honestly feel like Amy was going to be a fall guy for something.

Also, a last thought on the new bones found.  We have all thought that maybe Casey had birthed a son prior to Caylee.  Just thinking outloud here.  Also, I wonder if they are finding other remains, such as small animals.  I know that its been studied that children who grow up to be murderers have had a history of violence in killing, some times start with small animals and gradually progress.

True, although that also points to abuse and excessive paternalism in the family.
I'm wondering, though, if there are animal remains that might point to premeditation, like if Casey tried out her chloroform or whatever murder weapon she wanted to use, on a local cat or dog first, before using it on Caylee, for instance.

Dolce, I think you might be right about Amy. Remember Amy woke up in different pants with money stolen, and Casey explained it away? And now Amy believes Casey actually did this to her? Probably by knocking her out with chloroform. I was wondering if Casey actually stole her pants to make them part of her crime scene somehow, thus framing Amy.

I never thought about Amy's pants.  I wouldn't put anything past Casey.

[rmcalo]

RMCALO, good points about the photography connection.  I have wondered if maybe Casey took some kiddie porn pix of Caylee.  I know that is an awful thing to contemplate, but from what I here, that stuff sells well and perhaps Casey thought Caylee was too young to even realize what was going on.  She has described herself as "desperate" and she stole money from relatives and friends, so money was a big concern for her.  I hope none of this is true, but it had crossed my mind also that she might sedate Caylee to take pictures of her to try to sell.

I have been wondering about that myself. I just feel Casey's photographs are going to be important in the evidence presented -- not just the photographs of Casey partying while her daughter was gone.

[Bearlyhere]

Today,

Sometimes when someone is very ugly on the inside, it oozes to the outside and everything about them starts to make you sick, imo.

Bearly, that was a very classy way of putting that!!

Thanks CharlieG.

I see a big difference between disliking someone for what they are or what they look like, than disliking someone for what they have done.  Beauty is only skin deep, ugly comes from their soul.

[GramaMonkey]

I am so confused about the pesticide.  What would she have used this for?  Do you think this had anything to do with Caylee's death. 

Usually pesticide contains a chemical that makes it sticky, so that it won't wash away. So if Casey sprayed it into the trunk to kill flies or maggots then the residue would be on the trash bags. It doesn't wash off without a soap solution. The trash bags were only under water which would not rinse the pesticide away.
Or there is some under the duct tape or in the material.
Make sense?

Wouldn't a pesticide melt the plastic. I used to spray Off on me and it would screw up my fake nails.

Yet you still continued to spray it on your skin?  Thanks for the heads up!

Mosquitoes bite the hell out of me. I play softball at night during the summer. It wouldn't do anything to my skin or makeup, but would tear the crap out of my fake nails. Yes I wear makeup and fake nails to play softball. Gotta look good cause you never know what might happen.

Mosquitos are attracted to you by smell. Maybe try changing your perfume, deodorant, shower spray, etc...and see if it makes a diff.

[CharlieGirl]

Concerning whether this was premeditated or not...in the Scott Peterson case, I thought that he had thought of killing Laci and when he got involved with Amber, he really started to think about it a lot, since the baby was soon to be born.  He wanted to get rid of both Laci and the baby, preferably before it was born.  I don't think he had all the details worked out.  Time caught up with him or Laci confronted him about something, and he acted sooner than he planned and had to improvise some things.  Likewise, I think the thought was in Casey's head that her life would be simpler without a child, and for whatever reasons, she would not just give custody to Cindy.  She knew Cindy would take the child, but she did not want Cindy to have her.  Something caused her to blow up and lash out at Caylee or to do something that was dangerous for Caylee and ended in disaster.  I have wondered if it was Cindy's online post, which I think is going to play a big part in all of this.  But that probably was posted after Caylee was dead, not before.  Something made Casey really mad at Cindy and really mad at Caylee at the same time.  It may have rushed her to do something she had contemplated but not really planned fully. 

If she thought that Cindy was going to a lawyer and getting custody, she may have gotten so angry that she decided to take away the thing Cindy seemed to want most.  It is sad, because I doubt Cindy could have gotten custody unless she had a lot more evidence of bad parenting than we have seen thus far.

I agree Hudsunn

And could it be the alleged fight on the night of June 15th?  Casey was just busted stealing from her grandparents, decided to take Caylee that night or the next morning.  What if Caylee started asking for Cindy?  I can see Casey being enraged at that point.  I do think her death was a result of anger.

[mariloo]

George is police or prior police and has all kinds of knowledge of this kind of criminal activity???????  Cindy is a nurse I think that is what I have heard with all kinds of knowledge of death and chemical decomposition.  I have a problem with Cindy having any knowledge of this because of the way she opened her mouth and what she said to the police about the car smelling like a dead body had been there.  She spoke as a medical professional first without realizing the implications to her daughter.  I believe she did however have knowledge of her daughter's psyche.  I believe they both know now their daughter killed their granddaughter and now the cover up begins to try and save Casey.  What a cold calculating bitch Casey is and may the wrah of GOD come down on her and the others that helped her whoever they may be.  Has Casey ever had a Nanny?  I don't believe there ever was a nanny.

[Tamikosmom]

Maybe Michelle Bart should have gotten her story straight regarding the search by TES volunteers of the area where Caylee Marie's remains were found.  Twice the water level prevented TES volunteers from pursuing a search. 

Janet

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Bart Out As Family Spokeswoman
Sunday, December 14, 2008 11:43:24 PM

ORLANDO -- Orange County sheriff's officials said the evidence is mounting that the skeletal remains of a small child found Thursday may belong to Caylee Anthony.

Investigators were out Sunday for the fourth day of searching a wooded area near the Anthony home where the remains were first found, hoping to discover more clues to determine if they are the missing 3-year-old.

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Michelle Bart announced she will no longer be the Anthony's spokeswoman.  Bart said she was giving up the position because of medical reasons. Bart made the announcement Sunday night at Eastside Baptist Church.  It's the same church where family members and supporters normally held weekly candlelight vigils for Caylee Anthony.  However, this week's vigil was cancelled.

George and Cindy Anthony's new attorney Bradley Conway will now be the family's primary spokesman.

On Saturday, Bart said the family is suspicious of the circumstances leading to the findings.

"It's been searched dry, it's been searched wet, it's been searched in between. It's been searched over by Tim Miller [of Texas EquuSearch] twice, who we hold in high regards with his professional organization," Bart told News 13.

The FBI is looking at DNA from the remains, but the Orange County medical examiner said it could be a week before conclusive results are released.

Sheriff Kevin Beary told the defense team for Casey Anthony, the missing girl's mother who has been charged with her murder, the size of the bones and hair color of the remains match Caylee

http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Local/2008/12/14/is_it_caylee_anthonys_suspicious.htm


NANCY GRACE
Small Child`s Remains Found Near Anthony Home
Aired December 11, 2008 - 20:00:00   ET

TIM MILLER, TEXAS EQUUSEARCH: Nancy, if you recall -- and I  got a lot of criticism for calling the search off the first time, but we actually lost a four-wheeler back in this same exact area that one of the volunteers was on the four-wheeler and water went totally over it. And the next day is when I called the search off, and it`s the best choice I ever made because if you recall back then, I said, You know what? If this little girl is under the water and a horse steps on her or a four-wheeler goes over or even a person steps on her just thinking it`s some type of debris underneath the water, then we`ve jeopardized any future search efforts.

And then when we came back the second time, this water where she was found -- and I actually went right back to the scene with investigators a couple of hours ago. But this water was still high when we came back the second time.  And a neighbor actually said it was about a week-and-a-half ago or two weeks at the most when the water receded enough that you could see anything there.

So this is an area that we tried to search. Weather conditions just would not allow it. And I will never, ever regret calling the search off at that time because we could have done far more damage than good if we had...

GRACE: Tim, I remember that very night -- I remember talking to you about that night on the show, asking you why you pulled out. And you made it very clear that you were so afraid that in all the water -- it was feet deep -- that you were afraid if Caylee`s remains were there, they would be ruined or scattered and would never be found. And boy, were you right, Tim Miller. You never made a better call in your life.

MILLER: Thank you.

<snipped>

GRACE: To Tim Miller, the director of Texas EquuSearch who has searched exhaustively for little Caylee, you know one of the first things the defense is going say is when it finally goes on trial, Texas EquuSearch searched this area, volunteer search police, search -- they didn`t see the bag, now the bag is suddenly here six months later. It was obviously put there while the tot mom was in jail.

MILLER: You know what? The bag was not put there later, Nancy. I was actually out there at that scene today. It wasn`t buried. It didn`t float up. You can see where the bag was actually laying on the ground. The weeds are very thick there so it didn`t float. It would have got caught up in something.

Whoever put that bag there pulled up alongside the road, threw the bag out there in that little weeded area. So there was no digging, there was no nothing. You can actually see in the grassy area where someone had sat there for a long period of time. So it was set there. It wasn`t buried. Trust me.

GRACE: So you can actually tell, and this is possible, everyone. You can tell if an object has been sitting on the grass for a long period of time. There`s not any grass under it, things have gotten on top of it and around it.

How could you tell, Tim, from looking at it that it had been there for a while?

MILLER: Well, you can tell that there was an indentation in the ground where something that -- you know that had a little bit of weight to it had laid there, kind of like if you would have put a log or something some place and six months later picked the log up, how there`s just a small indentation and the grass is dead underneath it.

And as wet as it`s been since the -- tropical storm came in, you know, it`s pretty obvious that it`s something that has been sitting there the entire time and it`s something that truly, Nancy, was not findable, had been under water and according to the neighbor it was a week and a half ago when the water receded enough to be able to see anything back there.

So you know, if it wouldn`t have been for that tropical storm, believe me, Caylee`s little remains would have been found a long, long time ago, but you know the good news is finally and finally.

GRACE: Some answers.

MILLER: . after this long period of time, she can come home.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0812/11/ng.01.html

[Hudsunn]

CheekyMonkey, I had forgotten about that part of the police interview where George talks about Jesse in that way.  When you combine that with his calling her Beautiful and Gorgeous all the time, it is a bit creepy.  Casey was a mother at the time, an unwed mother, and he was treating her like a little naive virgin.  He and Cindy saw her get bigger and bigger with her pregnancy, and she was afraid to tell them.  She even said that she could not possibly be pregnant because she had never had sex, and they claimed to believe her.  At the same time, Cindy told the FBI guy that when Casey started to be sexually active they had a talk about birth control.  Just what did they do?  One minute she was telling Casey to use a condom and the next they are denying she is seven months pregnant and later George is offended that some guy is sitting on her bed, fully clothed.