Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #75

[BluesyGram]

Good Morning. If the Anthonys get immunity, in exchange they would have to tell everything they know. But that would not excuse lies under oath, clean up, and if perhaps George helped with disposal of Caylee's remains, or anything else they did covering up for Casey. So I don't know how all this is going to play out.

Good Morning NoRose
Blanket immunity?  Hope not!!  As for them having another "interview" and this time "telling the truth"....NOT SURE THEY KNOW WHAT THE TRUTH IS ANYMORE!

I have had the most sympathy for all of those detectives since the beginning..can you imagine having an entire family spewing lies and lies and lies....my head was spinning.  Can you imagine theirs?

[Today]

Emergency hearing at 2:00 per MSNBC on TV.  Baez requesting.

[pinkbanana]

Good Morning.

pb

Good Morning Pink ..Hope you are warm where you are.

Thank you BG, it's COLD here in NYC today. It was snowing earlier this morning. BIG difference from yesterday...was in the 60's.

Where are you? Are you in a cold or warm state?

pb

[Sea Searcher]

Good Morning. If the Anthonys get immunity, in exchange they would have to tell everything they know. But that would not excuse lies under oath, clean up, and if perhaps George helped with disposal of Caylee's remains, or anything else they did covering up for Casey. So I don't know how all this is going to play out.

I think George knew and threatened Casey which lead to the disposal. I don't think he consciously or physically helped.
Cindy consciously washed the pants and refused to turn over receipts. She panicked and while responsible for making national publicity she f'ed up because she's not that smart.

I don't think so either...had he or Lee helped, Caylee's remains would have been much farther away and better hidden....

[klaasend]

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/orange/orl-caylee1608dec16,0,1146462.story

Will tiny clues lead to answers about Caylee Anthony?
Sarah Lundy

Bianca Prieto and Amy L. Edwards, Sentinel Staff Writers

December 16, 2008

 
For five days, federal and Orange County authorities have toiled in the woods where a child's skull was discovered in a plastic bag.

Investigators hauled out boxes of brush and dirt. Crime-scene technicians on their hands and knees combed through debris. Others shook soil through sifters, searching for any tiny particle that might help determine whether the remains are of missing Caylee Marie Anthony.

Five long days -- and yet the work has just begun.

Sheriff's officials said Monday that the lot, a quarter-mile from the home of the child's grandparents, could remain a crime scene for several more days as the evidence crews and various experts, including an anthropologist, an entomologist and a botanist, search methodically for more clues.

After that will come weeks of careful laboratory work designed to make sense of what investigators have found. Already, pieces of the remains have been sent to the FBI lab in Virginia. More will follow.

Forensic experts say the process of identifying a decomposed body -- especially a child -- is not easy, and finding out how that child died can be an even greater challenge. DNA typing, bone inspections, toxicology tests and trace-evidence analysis are just some of the work to be done in the coming days.

"It's just like an archaeological excavation in some cases," said Bill Schneck, founder of Microvision Northwest, a forensic-consulting company in Washington state.

Investigators want to confirm whether the bones belong to Caylee, who disappeared in June. Caylee's mother, Casey Anthony, 22, insists her daughter was kidnapped by a baby sitter, but a grand jury has charged her with killing her daughter, who was 2 when she disappeared.

For now, there is no solution to the puzzle, just many new pieces and players:


Medical examiner

Orange-Osceola Medical Examiner Dr. Jan Garavaglia must make the final decision -- who is the child in the woods off Suburban Drive and how did the youngster die? She'll get assistance from a slew of scientific experts.

Typically, the medical examiner starts by separating evidence from the body, said Palm Beach County Medical Examiner Dr. Michael Bell, who is not associated with the case.

"If there's clothing, clothing comes off. If there's other stuff that's on the body, that will get removed. Everything gets documented, photographed," Bell said.

Sheriff's officials have not disclosed what they found with the child's bones, some of which were inside a plastic bag. But a sheriff's source disclosed Monday that additional bones were found elsewhere in the woods during the weekend.

Often, investigators rely on dental records to confirm an adult's identity, Bell said. But when dealing with young children who have not been X-rayed, DNA will be key, he said.

A sample of DNA, a person's unique genetic blueprint, can be extracted from a hair, a piece of bone or a tooth. The medical examiner collects the sample, then bags it and sends it to a lab.

The examiner then conducts an autopsy, studying the remains to determine the cause of death. Having a skeleton with little or no soft tissues makes the job more difficult.


DNA

DNA found in the nucleus of a cell from the remains can be compared with samples of Caylee's DNA collected at her home.

However, getting a good sample can be more difficult when dealing with a decomposing body left outside for months, said Margaret Wallace, associate professor at John Jay College in New York City.

If nuclear DNA is not available, authorities can turn to mitochondrial DNA, found elsewhere in the cell. This is DNA passed from a mother to her children. Mitochondrial DNA from the remains would have to be compared with samples from Caylee's mother. This would determine whether the dead child was related to Anthony.

DNA is a prominent identification tool, but it's not the only one.


Forensic anthropologist

The skeleton can hold many answers.

Donna Boyd, a professor of anthropology at Radford University in Virginia and co-director of the school's Forensic Science Institute, said the first step for a forensic anthropologist investigating a set of remains is to make a list of what bones are found.

From this, the anthropologist creates a biological profile. With adults, authorities can figure out age, sex, racial type and stature. Children are more difficult because they have not developed as much.

Sex and race are nearly impossible to determine, she said, but age is possible by looking at the size of the bones and teeth.

Bones can be examined for evidence of trauma. Anthropologists can determine whether these injuries, such as broken bones, occurred before the person died, around the time of death or afterward, Boyd said.

Choking isn't as easy to detect. However, a specific bone in the throat can break if strangled -- serving as a red flag to investigators, she said.

What happened to the remains after death can be just as important. Animal bite marks and potential water damage are studied.

"It helps you understand where the remains have been and what happened to them," Boyd said.


Trace evidence

While many experts focus on the body, others try to piece together a story from everything found around the remains.

Investigators sifting through the soil may be looking for fabric from clothing, bone fragments, plastic, rubber from shoes and even duct tape, said Schneck of Microvision Northwest, a trace-evidence expert who has been featured on the TV show Forensic Files.

"If they know what she was wearing, they might be able to find some clothing fragments," Schneck said. The clothing might help provide identification before DNA results come back.

"Duct tape could hold a treasure trove of stuff -- fingerprints, hair and fibers," Schneck said.

The ripped edge of duct tape also can be matched to the roll it came from, even if it has since been used, Schneck said. Investigators have not said whether they have found duct tape in the Anthony home.

The soil could be an important clue, Schneck said.

When someone buries a body, soil often gets on the suspect's shoes and the tools used to dig the grave. Once the burial is done, the dirt can end up in another place, such as the suspect's home.

The composition of the soil differs greatly from one place to another. Schneck looks at bacterial composition, minerals and color of soil when comparing them. If soil from the crime scene shows up at the suspect's home or car, that is good indication, he said.

Early on, investigators found soil in the trunk of Casey Anthony's car. It's unknown where that soil came from or if it has been tested.

[BluesyGram]

Good Morning.

pb

Good Morning Pink ..Hope you are warm where you are.

Thank you BG, it's COLD here in NYC today. It was snowing earlier this morning. BIG difference from yesterday...was in the 60's.

Where are you? Are you in a cold or warm state?

pb

New Orleans here...we had snow a few days ago..supposed to be in 70's this week.

Glad they are having good weather in Orlando while they are doing this search.

[islandmonkey]

I posted this yesterday but no one ever replied.  I don't trust JB and the Scheme Team at all, especially Dr. Lee.  Could they be charged if they took anything out of the A house that LE now needs for evidence?

  I'm sure they could be, surely they wouldn't be that stupid, would they!!??? 

  well, in one word~YES
http://www.courttv.com/trials/spector/052307_ctv.html?page=2


LOS ANGELES — The judge in the Phil Spector murder trial said Wednesday that he had concluded Dr. Henry Lee, a defense expert and one of the country's most famous forensic scientists, hid or destroyed a piece of evidence from the scene of an actress's shooting.

Los Angeles County Superior Court Judge Larry Fidler said Spector's defense can still call Lee as a witness, but prosecutors will be permitted to present evidence to the jury that Lee found potentially important evidence and failed to turn it over to the prosecution as the law requires. (VIDEO)

Prosecutors claim the small white object is a piece of a fake fingernail belonging to the alleged victim, Lana Clarkson, and that if it is found, it could firmly establish that she did not commit suicide, as the defense alleged.

In his ruling, the judge said he could not say it was a fingernail, but "it was the size of a fingernail."

Fidler's decision was the culmination of six days of hearings in which a half-dozen former and current members of Spector's defense team, including Lee, testified about a search of Spector's mansion conducted after a sheriff's department crime scene unit had collected evidence from the Feb. 3, 2003, shooting.



In his ruling, Fidler indicated that he believed Lee had lied under oath. He specifically cited the conflict between Lee's testimony that he had never collected the item in question and the account of a former defense attorney, Sara Caplan, who said she saw him place such an object in a clear vial.

The judge acknowledged that Lee was a "world-renowned expert," but said he found Caplan "very credible."

"If I have to choose between the two, I am going to choose Ms. Caplan, is more credible than Dr. Lee," he said, adding, "Dr. Lee has a lot to lose if this turns out to be true."

Outside the courtroom, a lawyer for Spector, Christopher Plourd, said the defense plans to put Lee on the stand.

"The jury can hear about that," he said, referring to the piece of evidence.

Lee, the chief emeritus of the Connecticut State Police, is a critically important witness for Spector. He was hired by Spector's defense the day of the shooting as a private expert and is to testify that blood spatter on Spector's jacket indicate he was across the room from Clarkson when the gun went off.

Spector, 67, is charged with murdering the 40-year-old Clarkson and faces 15 years to life in prison if convicted.

During the hearing, the judge heard three different accounts of the recovery of a small piece of white evidence during the defense search Feb. 4, 2003.

A former law clerk for the defense said he saw Dr. Michael Baden, the pathologist, find what was identified as a tooth fragment. A private investigator said he saw Lee recover what seemed to be a fingernail fragment that was stained with blood and lead from a bullet. Caplan testified that she pointed out to Lee a flat, white object the size of her fingernail, but did not see what became of it after he put it in a vial.

"Basically what you have is the judicial version of the famed Japanese movie 'Rashomon,'" Fidler said, referring to the film that shows a murder as seen through the eyes of different characters. "Every perspective is different."

The judge said he did not find the clerk, Gregory Diamond, credible because of his hesitant manner on the stand and because he was the only one who connected Baden to the evidence.

Looking directly at Baden's wife, defense attorney Linda Kenney-Baden, the judge said he found no evidence the pathologist had done anything improper.

Fidler said he was ambivalent about the account of the investigator, Stanley White.

"If all I had was Mr. White, I'm not sure where I'd go with this case," he said.

He called Caplan "the most credible at all" in part because she "put herself at risk" by testifying that a member of the defense team had acted improperly. Caplan worked for noted criminal defense attorney Robert Shapiro in 2003 when he represented Spector.

When Lee testified last week, he complained bitterly that his reputation was being attacked and said that Caplan was "nice" but simply wrong. He hinted that she may have mistaken white swabs he used to test for blood for the vial she said she saw.

But just before the judge ruled Wednesday morning, Caplan was called back into court and told the judge she was certain of what she observed.

Story continues



"The object that I saw on the ground was not cotton swabs," she testified.

Deputy District Attorney Patrick Dixon argued to the judge that the item was the nail and that it had certain value.

"Because her hand was in her mouth trying to push the gun away when Phil Spector pointed the gun in her mouth and pulled the trigger," he said.

"Her hands were not on the trigger. She did not commit suicide. That is why (the evidence) is gone," Dixon added.

Defense attorney Bradley Brunon argued that there was no real proof of what the item was and therefore that the prosecution was harmed in anyway. He urged the judge to be careful he did not punish the defendant for misconduct of which he was unaware.

"Mr. Spector really had nothing to do with this matter," Brunon said.

The judge denied a defense request that he tell jurors he had found Lee had destroyed or concealed evidence.

"To say 'That Dr. Lee isn't credible' injects me into the case to a degree that is not appropriate," he said.

Prosecutor said they would call Caplan, White and Shapiro as witnesses in their rebuttal case to impugn Lee's honesty.

The judge said he would tell jurors that they could consider the testimony about the missing evidence only to evaluate Lee's credibility, but couldn't use it against Spector.

Testimony resumes Tuesday afternoon.



 

[klaasend]

http://www.local6.com/news/18288360/detail.html

'Significant Finds' Made In Woods During Search Near Caylee Home
Utility Worker Finds Skull, Human Remains

POSTED: 6:35 am EST December 16, 2008
UPDATED: 8:12 am EST December 16, 2008


ORLANDO, Fla. -- Investigators on Monday said they have made "significant finds" during the search of a wooded area near the home of missing toddler Caylee Anthony's grandparents, who hope that a child's skull found there doesn't belong to their granddaughter, although they are realistic about the possibility that the remains may be hers, their attorney said.


George and Cindy Anthony are asking for privacy until the medical examiner is able to identify the remains found last week in woods near their home, attorney Bradley Conway said.

"They're not grieving yet because we don't know whose body this is," Conway said. "But if it is identified as Caylee, they are going to go through that grief process privately, and when they're ready to speak they will."

The Anthony's 22-year-old daughter, Casey Anthony, was charged with first-degree murder months after the girl disappeared in June. She is being held without bond at the Orange County Jail.

Authorities said Casey Anthony waited a month to report her daughter missing last July. She initially told police that she left the child with a baby sitter, but detectives said her story was untrue. Her parents still believe her story and support her, the attorney said.

Caylee and her mother lived with George and Cindy Anthony. The grandparents have returned home after spending time in a hotel while investigators searched their house for evidence late last week. Their attorney said that items were taken from their home which were not on a search warrant.

Crime scene technicians and detectives on Monday continued to search the woods near the Anthony home, where the skull was found last week by a meter reader. Capt. Angelo Nieves, a spokesman for the Orange County Sheriff's Office, said he couldn't confirm reports that more bones had been found in the area over the weekend.

"There have been significant finds there at the location," Nieves said. "We're not providing additional information as to what evidence has been recovered."

Several experts also were being called in to examine the site over the next few days, including a botanist, a forensic anthropologist and an entomologist, or expert on insects, Nieves said.

Conway said the grandparents were not being investigated for any crimes, such as obstruction of justice. George and Cindy Anthony have been fingerprinted by investigators but only to rule them out as suspects. They are cooperating with detectives, he said.

"They have not obstructed any investigation," Conway said.

"They haven't destroyed any evidence. They have in no way interfered with what the ... sheriff's office has to do."

The Anthonys have placed cameras at their house and hired a security team because they are wary of neighbors or others who may try to profit from Caylee's disappearance by selling information or photos to tabloids, Conway said.

"They don't know who to trust other than themselves and the team that is assigned to protect and defend them," he said.

[CasuallyCool]

Good morning monkeys.  Time for a sing-a-long.



You put your left foot in,
You put your left foot out;
You put your left foot in,
And you shake it all about.
You do the Jail House Pokey,
And you turn yourself around.
That's what it's all about!

[klaasend]

http://www.wesh.com/news/18288397/detail.html

Effort To ID Child's Remains Continues
Search For Clues Enters 6th Day
POSTED: 6:37 am EST December 16, 2008
UPDATED: 7:00 am EST December 16, 2008


ORLANDO, Fla. -- Investigators continued to work to identify the remains of a child found last week near the home of Caylee Anthony.

For the first time, Caylee's grandparents, George and Cindy Anthony, said they believe the toddler has died.

The crime scene was quiet early Tuesday morning, but investigators were expected to return for a sixth day to search for clues that could lead them to a killer.

The FBI has taken DNA samples and fingerprints from George, Cindy and Lee Anthony. Family attorney Brad Conway said that's to exclude them from investigation.

Conway said the Anthonys continue to support their daughter.

"Everybody wants to make sure that there are no mistakes made. Everybody wants to make sure that the person responsible for this crime is held responsible for it, and if that happens to be Casey (Anthony), a jury of her peers will have to make that decision," Conway said.

A memorial to Caylee continued to grow on Tuesday. What started as a single cross with flowers attached to it now includes flowers, Teddy bears, balloons and other stuffed animals.

[klaasend]

http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Local/2008/12/16/is_it_caylee.html

New Motions Filed In Casey Case
Tuesday, December 16, 2008 10:21:57 AM

ORLANDO -- Orange County sheriff's investigators said Monday their search of the area where a child's remains were found last week has netted some "significant finds."

Investigators head out once again Tuesday to the crime scene to try and answer whether the remains belong to missing Caylee Anthony.

Reports surfaced over the weekend that additional bones were found at the crime scene, near Suburban Drive and Hopespring Drive, about one-quarter mile from the Anthony home. See Previous Story.

Investigators, however, remain tight-lipped on any details.

"They will continue to be here throughout the next several days, possibly through Wednesday afternoon at the earlier," said Capt. Angelo Nieves, with the Orange County Sheriff's Office. "We are continuing to search through the wooded areas to continue to find significant finds."

The county medical examiner, the FBI and an anthropologist from the University of Central Florida were also at the crime scene Monday, helping the sheriff's office.

The remains are at an FBI lab in Virginia, where examiners said they are working diligently to return DNA results as soon as they can.

Read More: DNA Testing Could Take Weeks

Growing Memorial At Crime Scene
A memorial at the site where the remains were found continues to grow.

Family, friends and even total strangers have dropped off stuffed animals and letters for Caylee Anthony.

Bounter hunter Leonard Padilla, who first bonded Caylee's mother, Casey Anthony, out of jail, also stopped by the crime scene, saying he has no doubt the remains belong to the missing 3-year-old.

A similar memorial at the Anthony home was ripped up over the weekend by Lee Anthony, Casey's brother.

Casey Anthony remains in jail, charged with her daughter's murder

[txlisa]

Emergency hearing at 2:00 per MSNBC on TV.  Baez requesting.

Good Morning Monkeys!!!

Woo-hoo!  We get to see Baez make an a$$ out of himself again!

Lisa

[Pebbles]

I posted this yesterday but no one ever replied.  I don't trust JB and the Scheme Team at all, especially Dr. Lee.  Could they be charged if they took anything out of the A house that LE now needs for evidence?

  I'm sure they could be, surely they wouldn't be that stupid, would they!!??? 

Island Monkey, Thanks for posting this info! This is exactly why I wrote my original post.  I do not trust Dr. Lee at all.

IMO

  well, in one word~YES
http://www.courttv.com/trials/spector/052307_ctv.html?page=2


LOS ANGELES — The judge in the Phil Spector murder trial said Wednesday that he had concluded Dr. Henry Lee, a defense expert and one of the country's most famous forensic scientists, hid or destroyed a piece of evidence from the scene of an actress's shooting.

Los Angeles County Superior Court Judge Larry Fidler said Spector's defense can still call Lee as a witness, but prosecutors will be permitted to present evidence to the jury that Lee found potentially important evidence and failed to turn it over to the prosecution as the law requires. (VIDEO)

Prosecutors claim the small white object is a piece of a fake fingernail belonging to the alleged victim, Lana Clarkson, and that if it is found, it could firmly establish that she did not commit suicide, as the defense alleged.

In his ruling, the judge said he could not say it was a fingernail, but "it was the size of a fingernail."

Fidler's decision was the culmination of six days of hearings in which a half-dozen former and current members of Spector's defense team, including Lee, testified about a search of Spector's mansion conducted after a sheriff's department crime scene unit had collected evidence from the Feb. 3, 2003, shooting.



In his ruling, Fidler indicated that he believed Lee had lied under oath. He specifically cited the conflict between Lee's testimony that he had never collected the item in question and the account of a former defense attorney, Sara Caplan, who said she saw him place such an object in a clear vial.

The judge acknowledged that Lee was a "world-renowned expert," but said he found Caplan "very credible."

"If I have to choose between the two, I am going to choose Ms. Caplan, is more credible than Dr. Lee," he said, adding, "Dr. Lee has a lot to lose if this turns out to be true."

Outside the courtroom, a lawyer for Spector, Christopher Plourd, said the defense plans to put Lee on the stand.

"The jury can hear about that," he said, referring to the piece of evidence.

Lee, the chief emeritus of the Connecticut State Police, is a critically important witness for Spector. He was hired by Spector's defense the day of the shooting as a private expert and is to testify that blood spatter on Spector's jacket indicate he was across the room from Clarkson when the gun went off.

Spector, 67, is charged with murdering the 40-year-old Clarkson and faces 15 years to life in prison if convicted.

During the hearing, the judge heard three different accounts of the recovery of a small piece of white evidence during the defense search Feb. 4, 2003.

A former law clerk for the defense said he saw Dr. Michael Baden, the pathologist, find what was identified as a tooth fragment. A private investigator said he saw Lee recover what seemed to be a fingernail fragment that was stained with blood and lead from a bullet. Caplan testified that she pointed out to Lee a flat, white object the size of her fingernail, but did not see what became of it after he put it in a vial.

"Basically what you have is the judicial version of the famed Japanese movie 'Rashomon,'" Fidler said, referring to the film that shows a murder as seen through the eyes of different characters. "Every perspective is different."

The judge said he did not find the clerk, Gregory Diamond, credible because of his hesitant manner on the stand and because he was the only one who connected Baden to the evidence.

Looking directly at Baden's wife, defense attorney Linda Kenney-Baden, the judge said he found no evidence the pathologist had done anything improper.

Fidler said he was ambivalent about the account of the investigator, Stanley White.

"If all I had was Mr. White, I'm not sure where I'd go with this case," he said.

He called Caplan "the most credible at all" in part because she "put herself at risk" by testifying that a member of the defense team had acted improperly. Caplan worked for noted criminal defense attorney Robert Shapiro in 2003 when he represented Spector.

When Lee testified last week, he complained bitterly that his reputation was being attacked and said that Caplan was "nice" but simply wrong. He hinted that she may have mistaken white swabs he used to test for blood for the vial she said she saw.

But just before the judge ruled Wednesday morning, Caplan was called back into court and told the judge she was certain of what she observed.

Story continues



"The object that I saw on the ground was not cotton swabs," she testified.

Deputy District Attorney Patrick Dixon argued to the judge that the item was the nail and that it had certain value.

"Because her hand was in her mouth trying to push the gun away when Phil Spector pointed the gun in her mouth and pulled the trigger," he said.

"Her hands were not on the trigger. She did not commit suicide. That is why (the evidence) is gone," Dixon added.

Defense attorney Bradley Brunon argued that there was no real proof of what the item was and therefore that the prosecution was harmed in anyway. He urged the judge to be careful he did not punish the defendant for misconduct of which he was unaware.

"Mr. Spector really had nothing to do with this matter," Brunon said.

The judge denied a defense request that he tell jurors he had found Lee had destroyed or concealed evidence.

"To say 'That Dr. Lee isn't credible' injects me into the case to a degree that is not appropriate," he said.

Prosecutor said they would call Caplan, White and Shapiro as witnesses in their rebuttal case to impugn Lee's honesty.

The judge said he would tell jurors that they could consider the testimony about the missing evidence only to evaluate Lee's credibility, but couldn't use it against Spector.

Testimony resumes Tuesday afternoon.



 

[joesamas mama]

Zanny had a key to the Anthony house!!!

Well of course she did.  Who do you think got the trashbags & duct tape from the home?

 

Yep. And Zanny borrowed Casey's car and put the sample of body decomposition in the trunk to frame the Anthonys. And she stole sperm from Lee and impregnated Casey in her sleep too...

She is a clever little nanny, that zanny 

Well.. Zanny.. She has such a way of blending in with the scenery and all.  Remember this is the composite drawing of her:

  I don't discredit people's ability because of the way they look. I love LP, he is like a dog going after a bone. He is pissed because she made him look like a fool. He thought he would get her out of jail and say where the baby is, it didn't work. Plus I do believe that Cindy had something to do with her not talking to Padilla. It has been stated that she doesn't like Hispanics, so that could be a reason for her to kick him out of her house and make him stay in a RV on the street. For that reason I WILL make fun of Cindy and her hair. If she has a problem with hispanic, mexicans or whatever race, then I can make fun of her. Doesn't mean I am  hate all people with a bad doo.

Hahahahha. Freaking Cindy and her bad hair!!!
I didn't know LP is hispanic.
Yes, I grew up in Florida and many rednecks don't like the hispanic influence in the area. They complain often behind closed doors.
LP is sexy.



I was doing my reading and found out that the A's are be given an immunity.. Well I WAS given them some credit and have defended the A's on SOME things but NOT anymore!!! Just made me look like a total jackass! As for them NOT likeing Hispanics?? Well My little girl , who is still living, is bi-racial and she is almost 3 and will be 3 the day after xmas. and I'm PROUD she is bi-racial. So all the A's can go to hell in my eyes....THOSE ARE MY FEELINGS!

I HATE THEM TOO

[txlisa]

Is there a transcript from Dana's show that was last night?

Lisa

[Pebbles]

I posted this yesterday but no one ever replied.  I don't trust JB and the Scheme Team at all, especially Dr. Lee.  Could they be charged if they took anything out of the A house that LE now needs for evidence?

  I'm sure they could be, surely they wouldn't be that stupid, would they!!??? 

  well, in one word~YES
http://www.courttv.com/trials/spector/052307_ctv.html?page=2


LOS ANGELES — The judge in the Phil Spector murder trial said Wednesday that he had concluded Dr. Henry Lee, a defense expert and one of the country's most famous forensic scientists, hid or destroyed a piece of evidence from the scene of an actress's shooting.

Los Angeles County Superior Court Judge Larry Fidler said Spector's defense can still call Lee as a witness, but prosecutors will be permitted to present evidence to the jury that Lee found potentially important evidence and failed to turn it over to the prosecution as the law requires. (VIDEO)

Prosecutors claim the small white object is a piece of a fake fingernail belonging to the alleged victim, Lana Clarkson, and that if it is found, it could firmly establish that she did not commit suicide, as the defense alleged.

In his ruling, the judge said he could not say it was a fingernail, but "it was the size of a fingernail."

Fidler's decision was the culmination of six days of hearings in which a half-dozen former and current members of Spector's defense team, including Lee, testified about a search of Spector's mansion conducted after a sheriff's department crime scene unit had collected evidence from the Feb. 3, 2003, shooting.



In his ruling, Fidler indicated that he believed Lee had lied under oath. He specifically cited the conflict between Lee's testimony that he had never collected the item in question and the account of a former defense attorney, Sara Caplan, who said she saw him place such an object in a clear vial.

The judge acknowledged that Lee was a "world-renowned expert," but said he found Caplan "very credible."

"If I have to choose between the two, I am going to choose Ms. Caplan, is more credible than Dr. Lee," he said, adding, "Dr. Lee has a lot to lose if this turns out to be true."

Outside the courtroom, a lawyer for Spector, Christopher Plourd, said the defense plans to put Lee on the stand.

"The jury can hear about that," he said, referring to the piece of evidence.

Lee, the chief emeritus of the Connecticut State Police, is a critically important witness for Spector. He was hired by Spector's defense the day of the shooting as a private expert and is to testify that blood spatter on Spector's jacket indicate he was across the room from Clarkson when the gun went off.

Spector, 67, is charged with murdering the 40-year-old Clarkson and faces 15 years to life in prison if convicted.

During the hearing, the judge heard three different accounts of the recovery of a small piece of white evidence during the defense search Feb. 4, 2003.

A former law clerk for the defense said he saw Dr. Michael Baden, the pathologist, find what was identified as a tooth fragment. A private investigator said he saw Lee recover what seemed to be a fingernail fragment that was stained with blood and lead from a bullet. Caplan testified that she pointed out to Lee a flat, white object the size of her fingernail, but did not see what became of it after he put it in a vial.

"Basically what you have is the judicial version of the famed Japanese movie 'Rashomon,'" Fidler said, referring to the film that shows a murder as seen through the eyes of different characters. "Every perspective is different."

The judge said he did not find the clerk, Gregory Diamond, credible because of his hesitant manner on the stand and because he was the only one who connected Baden to the evidence.

Looking directly at Baden's wife, defense attorney Linda Kenney-Baden, the judge said he found no evidence the pathologist had done anything improper.

Fidler said he was ambivalent about the account of the investigator, Stanley White.

"If all I had was Mr. White, I'm not sure where I'd go with this case," he said.

He called Caplan "the most credible at all" in part because she "put herself at risk" by testifying that a member of the defense team had acted improperly. Caplan worked for noted criminal defense attorney Robert Shapiro in 2003 when he represented Spector.

When Lee testified last week, he complained bitterly that his reputation was being attacked and said that Caplan was "nice" but simply wrong. He hinted that she may have mistaken white swabs he used to test for blood for the vial she said she saw.

But just before the judge ruled Wednesday morning, Caplan was called back into court and told the judge she was certain of what she observed.

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"The object that I saw on the ground was not cotton swabs," she testified.

Deputy District Attorney Patrick Dixon argued to the judge that the item was the nail and that it had certain value.

"Because her hand was in her mouth trying to push the gun away when Phil Spector pointed the gun in her mouth and pulled the trigger," he said.

"Her hands were not on the trigger. She did not commit suicide. That is why (the evidence) is gone," Dixon added.

Defense attorney Bradley Brunon argued that there was no real proof of what the item was and therefore that the prosecution was harmed in anyway. He urged the judge to be careful he did not punish the defendant for misconduct of which he was unaware.

"Mr. Spector really had nothing to do with this matter," Brunon said.

The judge denied a defense request that he tell jurors he had found Lee had destroyed or concealed evidence.

"To say 'That Dr. Lee isn't credible' injects me into the case to a degree that is not appropriate," he said.

Prosecutor said they would call Caplan, White and Shapiro as witnesses in their rebuttal case to impugn Lee's honesty.

The judge said he would tell jurors that they could consider the testimony about the missing evidence only to evaluate Lee's credibility, but couldn't use it against Spector.

Testimony resumes Tuesday afternoon.



 

Island Monkey, Thanks for posting this info! This is exactly why I wrote my original post.  I do not trust Dr. Lee at all.

IMO

Sorry about posting this again.  I messed the quotes up the first time.

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http://www.local6.com/news/18288360/detail.html

'Significant Finds' Made In Woods During Search Near Caylee Home
Utility Worker Finds Skull, Human Remains

POSTED: 6:35 am EST December 16, 2008
UPDATED: 8:12 am EST December 16, 2008


ORLANDO, Fla. -- Investigators on Monday said they have made "significant finds" during the search of a wooded area near the home of missing toddler Caylee Anthony's grandparents, who hope that a child's skull found there doesn't belong to their granddaughter, although they are realistic about the possibility that the remains may be hers, their attorney said.


George and Cindy Anthony are asking for privacy until the medical examiner is able to identify the remains found last week in woods near their home, attorney Bradley Conway said.

"They're not grieving yet because we don't know whose body this is," Conway said. "But if it is identified as Caylee, they are going to go through that grief process privately, and when they're ready to speak they will."

The Anthony's 22-year-old daughter, Casey Anthony, was charged with first-degree murder months after the girl disappeared in June. She is being held without bond at the Orange County Jail.

Authorities said Casey Anthony waited a month to report her daughter missing last July. She initially told police that she left the child with a baby sitter, but detectives said her story was untrue. Her parents still believe her story and support her, the attorney said.

Caylee and her mother lived with George and Cindy Anthony. The grandparents have returned home after spending time in a hotel while investigators searched their house for evidence late last week. Their attorney said that items were taken from their home which were not on a search warrant.

Crime scene technicians and detectives on Monday continued to search the woods near the Anthony home, where the skull was found last week by a meter reader. Capt. Angelo Nieves, a spokesman for the Orange County Sheriff's Office, said he couldn't confirm reports that more bones had been found in the area over the weekend.

"There have been significant finds there at the location," Nieves said. "We're not providing additional information as to what evidence has been recovered."

Several experts also were being called in to examine the site over the next few days, including a botanist, a forensic anthropologist and an entomologist, or expert on insects, Nieves said.

Conway said the grandparents were not being investigated for any crimes, such as obstruction of justice. George and Cindy Anthony have been fingerprinted by investigators but only to rule them out as suspects. They are cooperating with detectives, he said.

"They have not obstructed any investigation," Conway said.

"They haven't destroyed any evidence. They have in no way interfered with what the ... sheriff's office has to do."

The Anthonys have placed cameras at their house and hired a security team because they are wary of neighbors or others who may try to profit from Caylee's disappearance by selling information or photos to tabloids, Conway said.
"They don't know who to trust other than themselves and the team that is assigned to protect and defend them," he said.

Thanks Klaas!  Does this apply to George and Cindy as well since they have profited off her disappearance as much or more than anyone.  They should put their own names on the list of "people not to trust" as well as their murdering **tch of a daughter!

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JoesamasMama...Sorry to hear about your tire, and why is it so cold in Texas.  If the lawyer for the Anthonys is saying they have done nothing wrong like obstruction, why would they need immunity now for?

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All of the Anthony's dark secrets are being exposed by Gods' intense light of truth?

Great post, Sleddogs.

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I HATE THEM TOO

Don't waste your time on hate. They aren't worth your energy.