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« Reply #120 on: December 27, 2008, 02:43:18 PM »

The world is a bigger nastier place then most can even understand.

The answers are not simple. So people better dig deeper in understanding to get to the bottom of WHY Natalee was disappeared. Why Paulus exists, untouched. Why Joran is such a lure, FREE,Untouched. Why the Dutch play the game of "Help" "Concern" Yet show passive resistance in doing ANYTHING of true value.

Natalee is far more then just a case of a girl who was gang raped and disposed of.
Good luck in 2009 in finding eye opening revelations. I doubt we will find the real answers without opening up Pandora's box. It is probably more info then most sit at home moms with bleeding hearts can comprehend. It is all relative in the end.
Natalee was a pawn in a very Big Game.
jmho

 

This "sit at home mom with a bleeding heart" as well as others do comprehend perfectly the far reaching domino effect if Joran or Paulus were to be held accountability for their participation in the the events of the morning of May 30, 2005.

This is the reason that I believe that justice for Natalee Holloway is never going to prevail in either an Aruba or Dutch courtroom.

Accountability will extent from Joran and Paulus to the sons of the elite .... to those within the Aruban/Dutch administration who played a role in the coverup ... to the paid-off witnesses ... to the judiciary ... to the owners of the establishments involved in Aruba's underground economy (drugs, alcohol, pornography, sex trade, gambling, money laundering) ...

Janet

I will take Justice anyway I can get it.  I have said this once so I will say it again.  It is time to start fighting dirty.  Aruba/Holland from day one has never fought a fair fight.  They caused the damage.  So now I say fight fire with fire and win at any cost.

I agree, San....but I don't know how to do that except hire a hit man and
I don't have a single hit man in my address book.

Wait let me check to see if I have any in my address book. 

I believe America is giving Aruba,as well as The Netherlands every opportunity to do right which they won't due!In time i believe Paulus,as well as Joran's exit from this planet will happen when we least expect it!Maybe from some "Bad" coffee,car accident or something of that nature.Their time will come.Hopefully sooner then later.

And I will not have one ounce of sympathy for that entire family.
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« Reply #121 on: December 27, 2008, 02:44:25 PM »

Good Morning San and texasmom.

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I stand with the girl, Natalee Holloway.

"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

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« Reply #122 on: December 27, 2008, 02:47:19 PM »

The world is a bigger nastier place then most can even understand.

The answers are not simple. So people better dig deeper in understanding to get to the bottom of WHY Natalee was disappeared. Why Paulus exists, untouched. Why Joran is such a lure, FREE,Untouched. Why the Dutch play the game of "Help" "Concern" Yet show passive resistance in doing ANYTHING of true value.

Natalee is far more then just a case of a girl who was gang raped and disposed of.
Good luck in 2009 in finding eye opening revelations. I doubt we will find the real answers without opening up Pandora's box. It is probably more info then most sit at home moms with bleeding hearts can comprehend. It is all relative in the end.
Natalee was a pawn in a very Big Game.
jmho

 

This "sit at home mom with a bleeding heart" as well as others do comprehend perfectly the far reaching domino effect if Joran or Paulus were to be held accountability for their participation in the the events of the morning of May 30, 2005.

This is the reason that I believe that justice for Natalee Holloway is never going to prevail in either an Aruba or Dutch courtroom.

Accountability will extent from Joran and Paulus to the sons of the elite .... to those within the Aruban/Dutch administration who played a role in the coverup ... to the paid-off witnesses ... to the judiciary ... to the owners of the establishments involved in Aruba's underground economy (drugs, alcohol, pornography, sex trade, gambling, money laundering) ...

Janet

I will take Justice anyway I can get it.  I have said this once so I will say it again.  It is time to start fighting dirty.  Aruba/Holland from day one has never fought a fair fight.  They caused the damage.  So now I say fight fire with fire and win at any cost.

I agree, San....but I don't know how to do that except hire a hit man and
I don't have a single hit man in my address book.

Wait let me check to see if I have any in my address book. 

I believe America is giving Aruba,as well as The Netherlands every opportunity to do right which they won't due!In time i believe Paulus,as well as Joran's exit from this planet will happen when we least expect it!Maybe from some "Bad" coffee,car accident or something of that nature.Their time will come.Hopefully sooner then later.

And I will not have one ounce of sympathy for that entire family.

Me either San! 
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"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

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« Reply #123 on: December 27, 2008, 03:10:24 PM »

The world is a bigger nastier place then most can even understand.

The answers are not simple. So people better dig deeper in understanding to get to the bottom of WHY Natalee was disappeared. Why Paulus exists, untouched. Why Joran is such a lure, FREE,Untouched. Why the Dutch play the game of "Help" "Concern" Yet show passive resistance in doing ANYTHING of true value.

Natalee is far more then just a case of a girl who was gang raped and disposed of.
Good luck in 2009 in finding eye opening revelations. I doubt we will find the real answers without opening up Pandora's box. It is probably more info then most sit at home moms with bleeding hearts can comprehend. It is all relative in the end.
Natalee was a pawn in a very Big Game.
jmho

 

This "sit at home mom with a bleeding heart" as well as others do comprehend perfectly the far reaching domino effect if Joran or Paulus were to be held accountability for their participation in the the events of the morning of May 30, 2005.

This is the reason that I believe that justice for Natalee Holloway is never going to prevail in either an Aruba or Dutch courtroom.

Accountability will extent from Joran and Paulus to the sons of the elite .... to those within the Aruban/Dutch administration who played a role in the coverup ... to the paid-off witnesses ... to the judiciary ... to the owners of the establishments involved in Aruba's underground economy (drugs, alcohol, pornography, sex trade, gambling, money laundering) ...

Janet

I will take Justice anyway I can get it.  I have said this once so I will say it again.  It is time to start fighting dirty.  Aruba/Holland from day one has never fought a fair fight.  They caused the damage.  So now I say fight fire with fire and win at any cost.

I agree, San....but I don't know how to do that except hire a hit man and
I don't have a single hit man in my address book.

I do and ... hubby knows it.

How in the world do you think Tamikosmom has been able to keep this guy focused on only me for 43 years?  Love or fear ... it does not matter.  He is mine ... all mine.

 

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« Reply #124 on: December 27, 2008, 03:13:04 PM »

The world is a bigger nastier place then most can even understand.

The answers are not simple. So people better dig deeper in understanding to get to the bottom of WHY Natalee was disappeared. Why Paulus exists, untouched. Why Joran is such a lure, FREE,Untouched. Why the Dutch play the game of "Help" "Concern" Yet show passive resistance in doing ANYTHING of true value.

Natalee is far more then just a case of a girl who was gang raped and disposed of.
Good luck in 2009 in finding eye opening revelations. I doubt we will find the real answers without opening up Pandora's box. It is probably more info then most sit at home moms with bleeding hearts can comprehend. It is all relative in the end.
Natalee was a pawn in a very Big Game.
jmho

 

This "sit at home mom with a bleeding heart" as well as others do comprehend perfectly the far reaching domino effect if Joran or Paulus were to be held accountability for their participation in the the events of the morning of May 30, 2005.

This is the reason that I believe that justice for Natalee Holloway is never going to prevail in either an Aruba or Dutch courtroom.

Accountability will extent from Joran and Paulus to the sons of the elite .... to those within the Aruban/Dutch administration who played a role in the coverup ... to the paid-off witnesses ... to the judiciary ... to the owners of the establishments involved in Aruba's underground economy (drugs, alcohol, pornography, sex trade, gambling, money laundering) ...

Janet

I will take Justice anyway I can get it.  I have said this once so I will say it again.  It is time to start fighting dirty.  Aruba/Holland from day one has never fought a fair fight.  They caused the damage.  So now I say fight fire with fire and win at any cost.

I agree, San....but I don't know how to do that except hire a hit man and
I don't have a single hit man in my address book.

I do and ... hubby knows it.

How in the world do you think Tamikosmom has been able to keep this guy focused on only me for 43 years?  Love or fear ... it does not matter.  He is mine ... all mine.

 

Janet
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"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

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« Reply #125 on: December 27, 2008, 03:25:40 PM »

The world is a bigger nastier place then most can even understand.

The answers are not simple. So people better dig deeper in understanding to get to the bottom of WHY Natalee was disappeared. Why Paulus exists, untouched. Why Joran is such a lure, FREE,Untouched. Why the Dutch play the game of "Help" "Concern" Yet show passive resistance in doing ANYTHING of true value.

Natalee is far more then just a case of a girl who was gang raped and disposed of.
Good luck in 2009 in finding eye opening revelations. I doubt we will find the real answers without opening up Pandora's box. It is probably more info then most sit at home moms with bleeding hearts can comprehend. It is all relative in the end.
Natalee was a pawn in a very Big Game.
jmho

 

This "sit at home mom with a bleeding heart" as well as others do comprehend perfectly the far reaching domino effect if Joran or Paulus were to be held accountability for their participation in the the events of the morning of May 30, 2005.

This is the reason that I believe that justice for Natalee Holloway is never going to prevail in either an Aruba or Dutch courtroom.

Accountability will extent from Joran and Paulus to the sons of the elite .... to those within the Aruban/Dutch administration who played a role in the coverup ... to the paid-off witnesses ... to the judiciary ... to the owners of the establishments involved in Aruba's underground economy (drugs, alcohol, pornography, sex trade, gambling, money laundering) ...

Janet

I will take Justice anyway I can get it.  I have said this once so I will say it again.  It is time to start fighting dirty.  Aruba/Holland from day one has never fought a fair fight.  They caused the damage.  So now I say fight fire with fire and win at any cost.

I agree, San....but I don't know how to do that except hire a hit man and
I don't have a single hit man in my address book.

I do and ... hubby knows it.

How in the world do you think Tamikosmom has been able to keep this guy focused on only me for 43 years?  Love or fear ... it does not matter.  He is mine ... all mine.

 

Janet

 
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« Reply #126 on: December 27, 2008, 03:32:50 PM »

The world is a bigger nastier place then most can even understand.
The answers are not simple. So people better dig deeper in understanding to get to the bottom of WHY Natalee was disappeared. Why Paulus exists, untouched. Why Joran is such a lure, FREE,Untouched. Why the Dutch play the game of "Help" "Concern" Yet show passive resistance in doing ANYTHING of true value.
Natalee is far more then just a case of a girl who was gang raped and disposed of.
Good luck in 2009 in finding eye opening revelations. I doubt we will find the real answers without opening up Pandora's box. It is probably more info then most sit at home moms with bleeding hearts can comprehend. It is all relative in the end.
Natalee was a pawn in a very Big Game.
jmho

IMO, the finger is still pointing at PJ2K, JVS, and others, irregardless of where they currently reside.  It is as simple as PJ2K telling the truth.  Follow the truth, the cell phone calls, the money, the trail of evidence.  It starts and ends with that group.  Natalee is a victim, in my simple mind, there is no pawn.  Those on Aruba can and should return her to her family.  Do they have the will?

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« Reply #127 on: December 27, 2008, 03:51:36 PM »

The world is a bigger nastier place then most can even understand.
The answers are not simple. So people better dig deeper in understanding to get to the bottom of WHY Natalee was disappeared. Why Paulus exists, untouched. Why Joran is such a lure, FREE,Untouched. Why the Dutch play the game of "Help" "Concern" Yet show passive resistance in doing ANYTHING of true value.
Natalee is far more then just a case of a girl who was gang raped and disposed of.
Good luck in 2009 in finding eye opening revelations. I doubt we will find the real answers without opening up Pandora's box. It is probably more info then most sit at home moms with bleeding hearts can comprehend. It is all relative in the end.
Natalee was a pawn in a very Big Game.
jmho

IMO, the finger is still pointing at PJ2K, JVS, and others, irregardless of where they currently reside.  It is as simple as PJ2K telling the truth.  Follow the truth, the cell phone calls, the money, the trail of evidence.  It starts and ends with that group.   Natalee is a victim, in my simple mind, there is no pawn.  Those on Aruba can and should return her to her family.  Do they have the will?

jmho


I agree that it begins and ends with them.  Paulus is a perverted old man past his prime many years ago.  We will never know the truth behind the real cell phone calls because that in itself will implicate many on that island and also in Holland.  The two phones that needed to be wire tapped were Paulus' and Anita's.

They do not have the will to return Natalee to her family because at this point they are reluctant to do so because of the shame they have already been put through.  Aruba is being spiteful.

In Aruba's mind they think they have won.  But did they really win and at what cost to the island.  One mother took on that entire island with the help of the news media.  She exposed the corruption.
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« Reply #128 on: December 27, 2008, 04:12:35 PM »

THE TRUTH SHALL SET YOU FREE KYLE........GOD BLESS......
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« Reply #129 on: December 27, 2008, 04:13:24 PM »

So besides dealing with the corrupt Aruban hitmen we had to deal with the corrupt American Traitors.

Truer words were never spoken.  American traitors who pretended to
help Natalee's family in the beginning and those who pretended to
search for her remains while furthering their own business interest.
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« Reply #130 on: December 27, 2008, 04:15:23 PM »

So besides dealing with the corrupt Aruban hitmen we had to deal with the corrupt American Traitors.

Truer words were never spoken.  American traitors who pretended to
help Natalee's family in the beginning and those who pretended to
search for her remains while furthering their own business interest.


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« Reply #131 on: December 27, 2008, 04:24:20 PM »

THE TRUTH SHALL SET YOU FREE KYLE........GOD BLESS......

Kyle wrote all of that prose with religious undertones and I fell for
it hook, line and sinker.  I even felt protective of the boy.
I have decided he was nothing more than a silver-tongued devil.
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« Reply #132 on: December 27, 2008, 04:26:44 PM »

The world is a bigger nastier place then most can even understand.
The answers are not simple. So people better dig deeper in understanding to get to the bottom of WHY Natalee was disappeared. Why Paulus exists, untouched. Why Joran is such a lure, FREE,Untouched. Why the Dutch play the game of "Help" "Concern" Yet show passive resistance in doing ANYTHING of true value.
Natalee is far more then just a case of a girl who was gang raped and disposed of.
Good luck in 2009 in finding eye opening revelations. I doubt we will find the real answers without opening up Pandora's box. It is probably more info then most sit at home moms with bleeding hearts can comprehend. It is all relative in the end.
Natalee was a pawn in a very Big Game.
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Yes, I agree.  This is not about a bunch of 'bad boys' who are so schooled in the art of getting rid of bodies that no one would be able to find them.  The cover up began on 5/30 and it continues even today.  Why is Joran and/or Paulus Van Der Sloot worth all of this to Aruba and to the Netherlands?  This could have been over with years ago, but they let it continue.  I just do not believe that people on Aruba do not know the truth.  They know.  So how deep does it go and if this is in any way political you would think there are enough people who oppose the current government that they would come together and expose the truth.  But they haven't.  In politics, no matter the country, the only thing politicians really care about is the amount of money thrown their way and their image.

So, why haven't the opposing politicians put this to rest?  What about this is so bad that even those hungry for power in Aruba will not take charge of letting the truth be told?

The idea that letting the rest of the world know that some of their citizens committed a brutal crime and were sent to jail for it would not be nearly as damaging as what they have done and continue to do now.  So...who or what are they afraid of????
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« Reply #133 on: December 27, 2008, 04:27:02 PM »

THE TRUTH SHALL SET YOU FREE KYLE........GOD BLESS......

Kyle wrote all of that prose with religious undertones and I fell for
it hook, line and sinker.  I even felt protective of the boy.
I have decided he was nothing more than a silver-tongued devil.

When he first posted I didn't pay attention to what he said.  For some reason when I have an uncomfortable feeling about a person I stop myself from listening.  This happened with two people recently.  One was Kyle.
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« Reply #134 on: December 27, 2008, 04:27:22 PM »


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They do not have the will to return Natalee to her family because at this point they are reluctant to do so because of the shame they have already been put through.  Aruba is being spiteful.

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If Kyle Kingman were to do right because it is right and ... step forward and reveal to the FBI all he knows regarding the dynamics behind the deception of the Persistence undertaking ... I believe that Aruba has no choice but to return Natalee Holloway's remains to her family.  Without this this measure of closure ... Aruba will continue to be haunted by a mother who will continue to be a voice for her daughter for the next 36 years.

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HOLLOWAY TWITTY: ... I have told Prime Minister Oduber that I will do this, I will be the voice of Natalee for the next 40 years. And I hope I have that long, because I will do it as long as I can.

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KYLE KINGMAN'S POSTS TO A PRIVATE FORUM

Kyle: I have not given anything to the FBI since the pictures and statements from Dec 29th

Kyle: None of us gave any statements to the authorities after the 29th. It's possible John Silvetti did, because he was the only one conversing with them after Jan 7th.

Kyle: I've talked with Peter Shouten numerous times back in February. He hasn't seen anything but knows about the blue fabrics. DeVries and Endemol was interested in purchasing the ROV footage and I was working between them, ABC, and CBS to strike a deal.

Kyle: In case it isn't clear.. notice the blue denim-like fabric

Kyle: The Aruban divers were on the police boat, dove from their boat, and returned to their boat.

Kyle: They were immediately whisked away by the Aruban police and not seen of again by us on the 7th

Kyle: John stood back and waited and worked with the Aruban Polis

Kyle: John definitely believed the Arubans at their every word

Kyle: John didn't want Tim Miller on board the Persistence because he said Tim wasn't necessary any more and was a liability

Kyle: John told me then he didn't want to hear me ever mention the trap again.

Kyle: Schafer is sue crazy.

Kyle: I did not feel the same and we had a major difference in opinion. He [John Silvetti] was the one who never pressed ALE to be completely open with us with the trap evidence. I would have forced them to. However, John was the one paying my invoices so I was forced to sit back and hope for the best.

Kyle: We all know it wasn't a blouse, but I believe they were sent some piece of fabric other than the fabric found inside the trap.

Kyle: We're being fed misinformation to keep us searching and out of their way while they cover their asses, destroy evidence, cover their tracks, and keep us out at sea and away from the trap.

Kyle: I've talked with Peter Shouten numerous times back in February. He hasn't seen anything but knows about the blue fabrics. DeVries and Endemol was interested in purchasing the ROV footage and I was working between them, ABC, and CBS to strike a deal.

Kyle: Louis is currently working with someone who I do not know to put together some documentary on the case, the way it was handled, and what happened during the search. I learned this from Tim T. yesterday. Louis was sold on the idea that it will make him a lot of money.

Kyle: The portion of the discolored blue fabric was presumably on the bottom of the fabric. In my opinion this discoloration is not another type of fabric, but rather biological staining or discoloration from biological growth caused from a high organic carbon content and decay. Basically, during decay a biological mat will form around the organics from remains. This is what I believe it is on the bottom of the fabric.

Kyle: John Silvetti told me today that he may be returning to Aruba very soon for a few days.

Kyle: I couldn't get the logs from the Persistence. All things "Holloway" were stripped from the boat once it got back to Louisiana

Kyle: It was confirmed by the FBI that they received a fabric sample send by Richardson and that it wasn't a match to Natalee's blouse. I think the video can prove or disprove whatever the FBI was sent was the same object or not. I strongly believe it's blue denim. Everyone I show thinks the same thing without being prompted (including senior ABC execs).

Klye: We're being fed misinformation to keep us searching and out of their way while they cover their asses, destroy evidence, cover their tracks, and keep us out at sea and away from the trap.

Kyle: neither Dave, Robin, or Beth has seen any of the ROV footage aside from what was broadcasted on Dateline or the pictures leaked from the FBI to Dave (and Robin H.). Beth has seen nothing in my knowledge.

Kyle: John is not a believer in the trap. He took ALE's word as gospel that it wasn't case related, yet never studied the videos or bothered to inquire further. He had plans on doing business with Aruba and in S. America and he didn't want to hurt any feelings by talks hinting at lack of complete trust and friendship.

Kyle: Notice the end of the skirt is an identical match to the 90 degree angle in the sand. I believe her left arm was outstretched with her legs slightly bent. I did not edit the legs. I believe the tarp was placed over her and tucked around her, or perhaps tied down. I believe there are several rocks laying on the sand which were placed on the tarp, or inside the tarp over her body which explains their unusual location. Either way, the proportions appear promising.

Kyle: I took the proportions of the body form from the head, to shoulder, to a 90 degree angle which I believed to be the hem line of Natalee's skirt. I then took those proportions and matched them to the photo of Natalee with what she was last seen wearing. The proportions matched within an inch from head, to shoulder, to skirt line. Based on this comparison and with what we believed we saw in the Dec 29th video, Tim Miller contacted the family and told them the 99.9% comment. I told Tim not to do anything until we have forensic results back after the site is processed. Jan 7th we sampled the contents and in my opinion we found the skirt under the sand along with the other items The blue fabric was found right where the skirt is pictured. If it isn't her, it will forever haunt me as a major cosmic WTF.

kyle: Richardson was onboard the Persistence several times and attended the meetings on the boat. You may see a glimpse of him on the Dateline video in the survey room along with Mos standing over my shoulder.

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« Reply #135 on: December 27, 2008, 04:33:56 PM »

THE TRUTH SHALL SET YOU FREE KYLE........GOD BLESS......

Kyle wrote all of that prose with religious undertones and I fell for
it hook, line and sinker.  I even felt protective of the boy.
I have decided he was nothing more than a silver-tongued devil.



When he first posted I didn't pay attention to what he said.  For some reason when I have an uncomfortable feeling about a person I stop myself from listening.  This happened with two people recently.  One was Kyle.

And you are usually right on the mark as far as judging people.
I have never known of you to be wrong.   
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« Reply #136 on: December 27, 2008, 04:37:56 PM »

THE TRUTH SHALL SET YOU FREE KYLE........GOD BLESS......

Kyle wrote all of that prose with religious undertones and I fell for
it hook, line and sinker.  I even felt protective of the boy.
I have decided he was nothing more than a silver-tongued devil.

I am still trusting that Kyle's faith will be the catalyst to bring him to his knees ... ask God for forgiveness ... ask Natalee's family for forgiveness and ... then do what is right in revealing his perspective regarding the Persistence endeavor ... an endeavor that had everything to do with John S. assisting in THE FINALE TO THE GREAT ARUBAN COVERUP!!

Natalee Holloway was betrayed by John S.  The family was betrayed by John S.  The sacrificial donors were betrayed John S.

If the contents of that cage/trap were Natalee Holloway's remains ... the family deserved to at least know the truth.

Janet
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« Reply #137 on: December 27, 2008, 04:55:33 PM »

THE TRUTH SHALL SET YOU FREE KYLE........GOD BLESS......

Kyle wrote all of that prose with religious undertones and I fell for
it hook, line and sinker.  I even felt protective of the boy.
I have decided he was nothing more than a silver-tongued devil.



When he first posted I didn't pay attention to what he said.  For some reason when I have an uncomfortable feeling about a person I stop myself from listening.  This happened with two people recently.  One was Kyle.

And you are usually right on the mark as far as judging people.
I have never known of you to be wrong.   

Thank you Magnolia.  Your opinion means a lot to me.  You are always on target with your posts.
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« Reply #138 on: December 27, 2008, 05:26:47 PM »

THE TRUTH SHALL SET YOU FREE KYLE........GOD BLESS......

Kyle wrote all of that prose with religious undertones and I fell for
it hook, line and sinker.  I even felt protective of the boy.
I have decided he was nothing more than a silver-tongued devil.

I am still trusting that Kyle's faith will be the catalyst to bring him to his knees ... ask God for forgiveness ... ask Natalee's family for forgiveness and ... then do what is right in revealing his perspective regarding the Persistence endeavor ... an endeavor that had everything to do with John S. assisting in THE FINALE TO THE GREAT ARUBAN COVERUP!!

Natalee Holloway was betrayed by John S.  The family was betrayed by John S.  The sacrificial donors were betrayed John S.

If the contents of that cage/trap were Natalee Holloway's remains ... the family deserved to at least know the truth.

Janet

One would hope that someone on that boat had a conscience.
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« Reply #139 on: December 27, 2008, 05:32:28 PM »

The world is a bigger nastier place then most can even understand.

The answers are not simple. So people better dig deeper in understanding to get to the bottom of WHY Natalee was disappeared. Why Paulus exists, untouched. Why Joran is such a lure, FREE,Untouched. Why the Dutch play the game of "Help" "Concern" Yet show passive resistance in doing ANYTHING of true value.

Natalee is far more then just a case of a girl who was gang raped and disposed of.
Good luck in 2009 in finding eye opening revelations. I doubt we will find the real answers without opening up Pandora's box. It is probably more info then most sit at home moms with bleeding hearts can comprehend. It is all relative in the end.
Natalee was a pawn in a very Big Game.
jmho

 

This "sit at home mom with a bleeding heart" as well as others do comprehend perfectly the far reaching domino effect if Joran or Paulus were to be held accountability for their participation in the the events of the morning of May 30, 2005.

This is the reason that I believe that justice for Natalee Holloway is never going to prevail in either an Aruba or Dutch courtroom.

Accountability will extent from Joran and Paulus to the sons of the elite .... to those within the Aruban/Dutch administration who played a role in the coverup ... to the paid-off witnesses ... to the judiciary ... to the owners of the establishments involved in Aruba's underground economy (drugs, alcohol, pornography, sex trade, gambling, money laundering) ...

Janet

I will take Justice anyway I can get it.  I have said this once so I will say it again.  It is time to start fighting dirty.  Aruba/Holland from day one has never fought a fair fight.  They caused the damage.  So now I say fight fire with fire and win at any cost.

I agree, San....but I don't know how to do that except hire a hit man and
I don't have a single hit man in my address book.

Wait let me check to see if I have any in my address book. 

I DO
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