Natalee Case Discussion #787 12/24/08 - 12/31/08

[flamom]

I don't know if this has been posted and forgive me if it is a repat but Monday December 29th, E! News Special on Natalee Holloway @ 10pm

[Nut44x4]

Thanks flamom!

[RoxiBalboa]

Happy Holidays Monkeys!

It has been mentioned several times that Arubans aren't really as informed on the case as Americans, especially Monkeys. I was wondering if it would be possible for some of the super smart, informed Monkeys to put together facts (and even some pictures, trap etc) in an editorial and then get it published in Diario. Get the information to the Aruban poeple as well.

[San]

Happy Holidays Monkeys!

It has been mentioned several times that Arubans aren't really as informed on the case as Americans, especially Monkeys. I was wondering if it would be possible for some of the super smart, informed Monkeys to put together facts (and even some pictures, trap etc) in an editorial and then get it published in Diario. Get the information to the Aruban poeple as well.

I just feel that the Arubans don't care.  I don't believe for one second that they are not informed.  They all know what went down on that island.  Most have access to the internet.

I often wonder why Jossy Mansur himself has not done his own editorial regarding these pictures.  I am sure he is aware of them and what stops him from informing the people himself.

[Magnolia]

The world is a bigger nastier place then most can even understand.

The answers are not simple. So people better dig deeper in understanding to get to the bottom of WHY Natalee was disappeared. Why Paulus exists, untouched. Why Joran is such a lure, FREE,Untouched. Why the Dutch play the game of "Help" "Concern" Yet show passive resistance in doing ANYTHING of true value.

Natalee is far more then just a case of a girl who was gang raped and disposed of.
Good luck in 2009 in finding eye opening revelations. I doubt we will find the real answers without opening up Pandora's box. It is probably more info then most sit at home moms with bleeding hearts can comprehend. It is all relative in the end.
Natalee was a pawn in a very Big Game.jmho

 

This "sit at home mom with a bleeding heart" as well as others do comprehend perfectly the far reaching domino effect if Joran or Paulus were to be held accountability for their participation in the the events of the morning of May 30, 2005.

This is the reason that I believe that justice for Natalee Holloway is never going to prevail in either an Aruba or Dutch courtroom.

Accountability will extent from Joran and Paulus to the sons of the elite .... to those within the Aruban/Dutch administration who played a role in the coverup ... to the paid-off witnesses ... to the judiciary ... to the owners of the establishments involved in Aruba's underground economy (drugs, alcohol, pornography, sex trade, gambling, money laundering) ...

Janet

I will take Justice anyway I can get it.  I have said this once so I will say it again.  It is time to start fighting dirty.  Aruba/Holland from day one has never fought a fair fight.  They caused the damage.  So now I say fight fire with fire and win at any cost.

I agree, San....but I don't know how to do that except hire a hit man and
I don't have a single hit man in my address book.

Wait let me check to see if I have any in my address book. 

I DO

I will give a considerable donation to the cause.

[Tamikosmom]

Happy Holidays Monkeys!

It has been mentioned several times that Arubans aren't really as informed on the case as Americans, especially Monkeys. I was wondering if it would be possible for some of the super smart, informed Monkeys to put together facts (and even some pictures, trap etc) in an editorial and then get it published in Diario. Get the information to the Aruban poeple as well.

I just feel that the Arubans don't care.  I don't believe for one second that they are not informed.  They all know what went down on that island.  Most have access to the internet.

I often wonder why Jossy Mansur himself has not done his own editorial regarding these pictures.  I am sure he is aware of them and what stops him from informing the people himself.

I do believe that the copyright to these photos may belong to Schaefer or ... it may have been sold to a network and ... then without Kyle attesting to the happenings aboard the Persistence ... there is no proof that the endeavor was not about justice for Natalee Holloway and ... a measure of closure for her family.   There is no proof that the endeavor was about John Silvetti's self-serving motives.

Janet
________

KYLE KINGMAN'S POSTS SUBMITED TO A PRIVATE FORUM

Kyle: I've talked with Peter Shouten numerous times back in February. He hasn't seen anything but knows about the blue fabrics. DeVries and Endemol was interested in purchasing the ROV footage and I was working between them, ABC, and CBS to strike a deal.

Kyle: John is not a believer in the trap. He took ALE's word as gospel that it wasn't case related, yet never studied the videos or bothered to inquire further. He had plans on doing business with Aruba and in S. America and he didn't want to hurt any feelings by talks hinting at lack of complete trust and friendship.

[Tamikosmom]

Happy Holidays Monkeys!

It has been mentioned several times that Arubans aren't really as informed on the case as Americans, especially Monkeys. I was wondering if it would be possible for some of the super smart, informed Monkeys to put together facts (and even some pictures, trap etc) in an editorial and then get it published in Diario. Get the information to the Aruban poeple as well.

I just feel that the Arubans don't care.  I don't believe for one second that they are not informed.  They all know what went down on that island.  Most have access to the internet.

I often wonder why Jossy Mansur himself has not done his own editorial regarding these pictures.  I am sure he is aware of them and what stops him from informing the people himself.

Arubans knew the truth from the getgo but ... justice for an 18 year old American citizen was not a concern.  Arubans just wanted the Natalee Holloway story to go away ... just wanted Beth Holloway to go away ... so the Tourist Industry could again thrive.

Beth and Jug see through the facade.  They have both publicly stated that they do not have any advocates on that Island except Jossy Mansur.

The people of Aruba have no problem demonstrating in mass when it comes to wages or ... drug, choller and environmental issues.  Also ... they are able to organize demonstration against an anquished mother who dared to call two suspects criminals ... two suspects who obstructed the investigation into her missing daughter with their lies.  However ... in 3 1/2  years there has not even been one "tiny" demonstration by the "good people" of Aruba on behalf of justice for Natalee Holloway.

Janet

+++++++++++++

DANA PLETZER
October 5, 2007

JOSSY MANSUR: People thought Beth caused bad publicity for the island, but Beth is not at fault, it is the three suspects.If there's damage to the island it should be on the shoulders of the three suspects.

http://scaredmonkeysradio.com/2007/10/05/the-dana-pretzer-show-live-friday-october-5-2007-guests-include-jossy-mansur-and-ken-shepherd/


CNN LIVE TODAY
Missing in Aruba
Aired July 5, 2005 - 10:00   ET

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY’S MOTHER: It is now that I ask the world to help me. Two suspects were released yesterday who were involved in a violent crime against my daughter. These criminals are not only allowed to walk freely among the tourists and citizens of Aruba, but there are no limits where they may choose to travel.

I am asking all mothers and fathers and all nations to hear my plea. I implore you, do not allow these two suspects, the Kalpoe brothers, to enter your country until this case is solved. Do not allow these criminals to walk among your citizens. Help me by not allowing these two to get away with this crime.

It is my greatest fear today that the Kalpoe brothers will leave Aruba. I am asking the Aruban officials to notify the United States State Department in the event these suspects try to leave this island. I am asking all nations not to offer them a safe haven. I am asking this in the name of my beautiful, intelligent and outstanding daughter who I haven’t seen for 36 days and for whom I will continue to search until I find her.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0507/05/lt.03.html


Beth Holloway
LOVING NATALEE
Page 157/158

No one is breathing. Or Moving. Reporters and camera people are crying. The media hve been here more than a month, and they’ve seen firsthand what we’ve experienced. They are moved by this plea. But some of the Arubans are not. Calling their local sons “criminals” offends them. Having just heard the prosecuting attorney tell us at least one of the Kalpoes could be involved in whatever happened to my daughter. I felt the term seemed appropriate. But it led to an abrupt change in the tide of support.

… Not long after the “criminals speech,” some Arubans back off their prayer vigils for Natalee. A few protest in the streets against the barage of negative media. We’ve worn out our welcome at the Holiday Inn. And they let us know they’ve had it. The Aruban Tourism Authority (ATA), the Aruba Hotel and Tourism Association (AHATA), the Aruba Trade and Industry Association and a scattering of island officials establish the Strategic Communications Task Force to combat the negative media. And to combat us.


Some Arubans angry at Holloway’s mom
Calling brothers ‘criminals’ elicits resentment, statement from lawyer
updated 6:56 p.m. PT, Wed., July. 6, 2005

ORANJESTAD, Aruba - A latent but growing resentment here became evident for the first time when more than 200 people, some wrapped in Aruban flags, said they were incensed by statements made by the mother of missing American teen Natalee Holloway.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8484217


'Scarborough Country' for July 6
updated 8:11 a.m. PT, Thurs., July. 7, 2005

JOHN MERRYWEATHER, FORMER ARUBA DIPLOMAT: I was not part of the organization, but I went there in support of our justice system.

<snipped?

SCARBOROUGH: No, what did Natalee’s mother say that offended so many people in Aruba?

MERRYWEATHER: Well, you know, it—it—it offended me, also.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8498049/


Missing teen's mom apologizes for comments
Statements 'fueled by despair'
Friday, July 8, 2005; Posted: 6:41 p.m. EDT (22:41 GMT)
 
ORANJESTAD, Aruba (CNN) — The mother of Natalee Holloway apologized Friday for saying two released suspects were involved in her daughter’s disappearance.

“The statements I made on July 5th were fueled by despair and frustration because of still not knowing where my daughter is,” Beth Holloway Twitty said in a statement to the media. “I think everyone, everyone can sympathize with that.”

http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/07/08/missing.aruba/index.html

[San]

Happy Holidays Monkeys!

It has been mentioned several times that Arubans aren't really as informed on the case as Americans, especially Monkeys. I was wondering if it would be possible for some of the super smart, informed Monkeys to put together facts (and even some pictures, trap etc) in an editorial and then get it published in Diario. Get the information to the Aruban poeple as well.

I just feel that the Arubans don't care.  I don't believe for one second that they are not informed.  They all know what went down on that island.  Most have access to the internet.

I often wonder why Jossy Mansur himself has not done his own editorial regarding these pictures.  I am sure he is aware of them and what stops him from informing the people himself.

I do believe that the copyright to these photos may belong to Schaefer or ... it may have been sold to a network and ... then without Kyle attesting to the happenings aboard the Persistence ... there is no proof that the endeavor was not about justice for Natalee Holloway and ... a measure of closure for her family.   There is no proof that the endeavor was about John Silvetti's self-serving motives.

Janet
________

KYLE KINGMAN'S POSTS SUBMITED TO A PRIVATE FORUM

Kyle: I've talked with Peter Shouten numerous times back in February. He hasn't seen anything but knows about the blue fabrics. DeVries and Endemol was interested in purchasing the ROV footage and I was working between them, ABC, and CBS to strike a deal.

Kyle: John is not a believer in the trap. He took ALE's word as gospel that it wasn't case related, yet never studied the videos or bothered to inquire further. He had plans on doing business with Aruba and in S. America and he didn't want to hurt any feelings by talks hinting at lack of complete trust and friendship.

No one is this dumb in life.   When you go on an endeavor like this you have all the facts in this case and one fact was clear to everyone and that was the ALE is corrupt to the core.

[Tamikosmom]

igsigs

Scared Monkeys Video Paul Van Der Sloot Memory Lapses

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SiVKwLpsza0

 

Janet

[Tamikosmom]

igsigs

Scared Monkeys Video Paul Van Der Sloot Memory Lapses

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SiVKwLpsza0

 

Janet

igsigs
Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
« Reply #363 on: June 17, 2007, 10:48:52 PM »

PAULUS 6/23 PV

Suspect did remark that he is willing to tell us everything he remembers if this somehow gives clarity in the case of Natalee Holloway gone missing.

I cannot precisely recollect
It is possible
But i do not remember
I cannot remember exactly
It is possible but i cannot remember
I cannot remember
The exact time i cannot remember
I at least cannot remember
I cannot exactly remember
I cannot remember anymore
I cannot remember
I cannot exactly remember anymore
I do not know for sure
I cannot visually play back in my own mind
I cannot remember
I cannot remember
To the best of my recollection
I cannot remember however
I cannot remember
I an not 100% sure of that
I cannot remember anymore
I am not sure
I do not remember whether i did
I do not remember
I cannot remember whether i did
Maybe i did
I cannot remember anymore
I cannot remember what i did
I was busy in the kitchen and did not hear
I cannot remember
I think i went to work
I do not remember
I don't exactly remember anymore
I do not remember

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1223.msg182463;topicseen#msg182463

[San]

igsigs

Scared Monkeys Video Paul Van Der Sloot Memory Lapses

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SiVKwLpsza0

 

Janet

 

[Tamikosmom]

IGSIGS ... WHERE DID YOU GO???s

 

Janet

[texasmom]

I came across this in the archives not long ago, I think credit for it goes to Carpe; but I'm not sure.



 

[Tamikosmom]

I came across this in the archives not long ago, I think credit for it goes to Carpe; but I'm not sure.



 

I don't get it.

 

Janet

[texasmom]

Happy Holidays Monkeys!

It has been mentioned several times that Arubans aren't really as informed on the case as Americans, especially Monkeys. I was wondering if it would be possible for some of the super smart, informed Monkeys to put together facts (and even some pictures, trap etc) in an editorial and then get it published in Diario. Get the information to the Aruban poeple as well.

I just feel that the Arubans don't care.  I don't believe for one second that they are not informed.  They all know what went down on that island.  Most have access to the internet.

I often wonder why Jossy Mansur himself has not done his own editorial regarding these pictures.  I am sure he is aware of them and what stops him from informing the people himself.

If John Silvetti traveled to Aruba to attend Jossy's daughter's wedding there is some relationship there.  I'd like to know what that relationship is.  Seems like an expensive trip to attend the wedding of a casual aquaintance.... 

[texasmom]

I came across this in the archives not long ago, I think credit for it goes to Carpe; but I'm not sure.



 

I don't get it.

 

Janet

 
Janet,
I think whoever made the picture was just making fun of Paulus' lack of memory for just about everything; and his reasoning for his answers to some questions.  I think the "underwear" and his failure to remember if he had any on or not was just being sarcastic since he seemed to not be able to remember much of anything.  I hope I have not confused you more!

 

[San]

Happy Holidays Monkeys!

It has been mentioned several times that Arubans aren't really as informed on the case as Americans, especially Monkeys. I was wondering if it would be possible for some of the super smart, informed Monkeys to put together facts (and even some pictures, trap etc) in an editorial and then get it published in Diario. Get the information to the Aruban poeple as well.

I just feel that the Arubans don't care.  I don't believe for one second that they are not informed.  They all know what went down on that island.  Most have access to the internet.

I often wonder why Jossy Mansur himself has not done his own editorial regarding these pictures.  I am sure he is aware of them and what stops him from informing the people himself.

If John Silvetti traveled to Aruba to attend Jossy's daughter's wedding there is some relationship there.  I'd like to know what that relationship is.  Seems like an expensive trip to attend the wedding of a casual aquaintance.... 

I agree.

[Tamikosmom]

I came across this in the archives not long ago, I think credit for it goes to Carpe; but I'm not sure.



 

I don't get it.

 

Janet

 
Janet,
I think whoever made the picture was just making fun of Paulus' lack of memory for just about everything; and his reasoning for his answers to some questions.  I think the "underwear" and his failure to remember if he had any on or not was just being sarcastic since he seemed to not be able to remember much of anything.  I hope I have not confused you more!

 

 

I get it.

Janet

[Tamikosmom]

Happy Holidays Monkeys!

It has been mentioned several times that Arubans aren't really as informed on the case as Americans, especially Monkeys. I was wondering if it would be possible for some of the super smart, informed Monkeys to put together facts (and even some pictures, trap etc) in an editorial and then get it published in Diario. Get the information to the Aruban poeple as well.

I just feel that the Arubans don't care.  I don't believe for one second that they are not informed.  They all know what went down on that island.  Most have access to the internet.

I often wonder why Jossy Mansur himself has not done his own editorial regarding these pictures.  I am sure he is aware of them and what stops him from informing the people himself.

If John Silvetti traveled to Aruba to attend Jossy's daughter's wedding there is some relationship there.  I'd like to know what that relationship is.  Seems like an expensive trip to attend the wedding of a casual aquaintance.... 

 

 

The plot thickens.

Janet

[Edward]

The plot needs to get a little thicker yet..
What ever happened to the supposed visiting Saudi or Paki or some sort of royalty with a twisty turban top that was supposedly on Aruba with a Jet when Natalee went missing ./.
Was any of that True? I remember some conversation and I did get some notes on it.
I do not remember if it was all smoke in the end.

It was kind of like the plastic bag.. after awhile it had rats and bones and I just have no idea how that happened.. Or if it was real .. ? I know that plastic bag was real..