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« Reply #20 on: December 24, 2008, 12:16:40 PM »



I think the guy next to Urine is for a 95% Luke and the third who was with them than would be this teacher moron.

Bastibro was that pic on a "waar ben je nu page " ?

Nee, er staat een artikel in de prive van deze week.
Niet kopen hOOr want er staat verder niets interessants in 
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« Reply #21 on: December 24, 2008, 12:17:49 PM »



I think the guy next to Urine is for a 95% Luke and the third who was with them than would be this teacher moron.

Bastibro was that pic on a "waar ben je nu page " ?

Nee, er staat een artikel in de prive van deze week.
Niet kopen hOOr want er staat verder niets interessants in 

staat aleen deze foto er in dan ?
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« Reply #22 on: December 24, 2008, 12:24:06 PM »

en deze . .


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« Reply #23 on: December 24, 2008, 12:26:26 PM »

Zelfs in Juni, ten tijde van het Greta intervieuw, verbleef hij al in Laos.
Dat blijkt ook uit de berichten op `waar ben je nu`.
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« Reply #24 on: December 24, 2008, 12:50:52 PM »

MERRY CHRISTMAS TO ALL MONKEY'S

WE'RE HEADING INTO 2009 AND JUSTICE FOR NATALEE WILL CONTINUE ARUBA!!



      TAKE NOTICE..............................
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« Reply #25 on: December 24, 2008, 12:59:40 PM »

Joran claims that he had no intention of going to Carlos and Charlies until the Mountain Brook Students encouraged him to come.  However Jaime Carrasquilla's words in his statement imply otherwise.  Was there a previously conceived plan in the works that would involved a pretty Mountain Brook student who had yet to be targeted ... a pretty Mountain Brook student who was leaving Aruba the next morning ...

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JAIME CARRASQUILLA

Joran suspect declaration of June 9, 2005 implies that he called Jaime Carrasquilla at approximately 11:00 PM on the evening of May 29, 2005 after his encounter with Natalee and her friends at the Black Jack table.

Joran Van der Sloot
Suspect Statement
June 9, 2005


I did not make an agreement with the girl as to how late I would meet them at Carlos & Charlies. After that I walked outside through the casino and when I got outside I called my father from my mobile phone which has the number "REMOVED" on the mobile phone of my mother. My mother has a mobile phone with the number "REMOVED". I called my father on that phone because my mother was outside of the country and my father had her phone in his possession. When I called my father it was approximately 23.00 hours. I told my father that I was ready and if he could come and pick me up at "Mc Donalds". After that I had called my friend "Jaime CARASQUILLA" on his mobile phone.


However ... Jaime Carrasquilla's witness statement of June 17, 2005 implies Joran contacted him between 4:00 PM and 7:00 PM on May 29, 2005 in regards to meeting him at Carlos 'N Charlies as the "American girls" would be there - prior to the encounter at the Black Jack table.

Jaime Carrasquilla
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On May 29th 2005, between the hours of 16.00 and 19.00, I was called by Joran on my mobile phone with the phone number .

Joran had asked me whether I wanted to go out with him that night. He told me that a few American girls would go to "Carlos & Charlies" and whether I wanted to meet up with him there
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« Reply #26 on: December 24, 2008, 01:07:41 PM »

MERRY CHRISTMAS TO ALL MONKEY'S

WE'RE HEADING INTO 2009 AND JUSTICE FOR NATALEE WILL CONTINUE ARUBA!!



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AMEN!

I want to wish all Monkeys a very happy Christmas, let`s all celebrate the birth of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ!




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« Reply #27 on: December 24, 2008, 01:20:52 PM »

Joran claims that he had no intention of going to Carlos and Charlies until the Mountain Brook Students encouraged him to come.  However Jaime Carrasquilla's words in his statement imply otherwise.  Was there a previously conceived plan in the works that would involved a pretty Mountain Brook student who had yet to be targeted ... a pretty Mountain Brook student who was leaving Aruba the next morning ...

Janet

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JAIME CARRASQUILLA

Joran suspect declaration of June 9, 2005 implies that he called Jaime Carrasquilla at approximately 11:00 PM on the evening of May 29, 2005 after his encounter with Natalee and her friends at the Black Jack table.

Joran Van der Sloot
Suspect Statement
June 9, 2005


I did not make an agreement with the girl as to how late I would meet them at Carlos & Charlies. After that I walked outside through the casino and when I got outside I called my father from my mobile phone which has the number "REMOVED" on the mobile phone of my mother. My mother has a mobile phone with the number "REMOVED". I called my father on that phone because my mother was outside of the country and my father had her phone in his possession. When I called my father it was approximately 23.00 hours. I told my father that I was ready and if he could come and pick me up at "Mc Donalds". After that I had called my friend "Jaime CARASQUILLA" on his mobile phone.


However ... Jaime Carrasquilla's witness statement of June 17, 2005 implies Joran contacted him between 4:00 PM and 7:00 PM on May 29, 2005 in regards to meeting him at Carlos 'N Charlies as the "American girls" would be there - prior to the encounter at the Black Jack table.

Jaime Carrasquilla
Witness Statement
June 17, 2005


On May 29th 2005, between the hours of 16.00 and 19.00, I was called by Joran on my mobile phone with the phone number .

Joran had asked me whether I wanted to go out with him that night. He told me that a few American girls would go to "Carlos & Charlies" and whether I wanted to meet up with him there


Jaime makes a trip over to the Wyndham around 11:00 pm on 05/30 to pick up his father, according to his statement.  Around that time Deepak is calling Joran for a second time that night and Joran and Guido leave the Wyndham Casino according to Andre Dos Santo.  Later they tell Andre they went to Joran's house to get money.  In Joran's statement of 06/14, he and Guido left to cash in chips from the Aruba Grand and they stay and play blackjack for a short time.

Did they actually go out to meet Jaime?  A lot of things were happening around 11:00 pm on 05/30.  Also, I believe Beth had arrived on the island just before 11:00 pm.
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« Reply #28 on: December 24, 2008, 03:27:41 PM »

Thanks, Janet 

I went off to get Jaime's statement which conflicted with Joran's re: the timing of the call, and got sidetracked.

That was always interesting to me - -the discrepancy in the timing of the call from Joran to Jaime. One would think something like that would be easily verifiable, no?

The other part of Joran's statement that has always stuck out -- is when he tells us that he called his mother's cell phone when he needed his father to give him a ride home from the casino   

Of course, he also tells us that his father had his mother's cell phone in his possession because she was out of the country. Also easily verifiable, but how did Joran know this?

Pick up at the McDonald's. Was it 11 pm or 4 am? Maybe he really did call his mother.

Which cell phone was Paulus using to call Joran when Beth and Jug arrived? Had he switched back to his own cell phone?

Still so many questions. The answers shouldn't be difficult.

I will wait for them.

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« Reply #29 on: December 24, 2008, 05:14:33 PM »

I think he did call his mom.  Maybe dad was out of it, angry drunk or drugged.  Anita has island connections and has covered/fixed things for him before.  "My mother can lie"....
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« Reply #30 on: December 24, 2008, 05:19:31 PM »

I think he did call his mom.  Maybe dad was out of it, angry drunk or drugged.  Anita has island connections and has covered/fixed things for him before.  "My mother can lie"....

I agree Buckeye.
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"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

Beth Holloway, 2015 interview with Greta van Susteren
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« Reply #31 on: December 24, 2008, 07:10:04 PM »

I think he did call his mom.  Maybe dad was out of it, angry drunk or drugged.  Anita has island connections and has covered/fixed things for him before.  "My mother can lie"....

I agree Buckeye.

I don`t agree.  I think Anita is totally unaware of all that happened that night at least until march 2008.
My opinion is based on all the interviews that i`ve seen . . English and Dutch
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« Reply #32 on: December 24, 2008, 07:20:00 PM »

Merry Christmas to all of Natalee's family and friends...
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« Reply #33 on: December 24, 2008, 07:23:16 PM »

Happy Holidays to all Monkeys and families
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« Reply #34 on: December 24, 2008, 07:56:08 PM »

Merry Christmas to Natalee's family.
She will forever be in our hearts.
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« Reply #35 on: December 24, 2008, 08:32:52 PM »

MERRY CHRISTMAS to all the Monkeys.

I happened to see this at Instapundit and thought it might be of interest here.




HOWS THE ECONOMY? Reader Ross Zelman writes:

    If you want to get a picture of how bad the US & world economy are doing, ask your readers to describe their holiday travel abroad. Im in Aruba right now (having a great family vacation). This is our seventh trip in eight years; weve been timeshare owners for half that time. We arent experts in any sense, but simple observation and inquiry shows that hotels are at less than 50%, hotel staff are reduced, planes are flying less frequently and at less than full occupancy, restaurant reservations are easy to come by and fellow travellers are looking at the empty lounge chairs next to them and all agreeing that things are even worst than in 2001. If optional travel is a leading indicator, the economy is going to retract faster than we even realized.

http://pajamasmedia.com/instapundit/64233/



So things are worse in Aruba than the Christmas after 9/11/01. I'm sure it has much to do with our economy being in the tank, but I'm certainly pleased to learn that Aruba is suffering greatly. 50% less tourists than usual. That has to hurt when your entire economy depends on tourism! Can't happen to a nicer bunch than the Arubans IMO.
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« Reply #36 on: December 24, 2008, 08:44:35 PM »

MERRY CHRISTMAS to all the Monkeys.

I happened to see this at Instapundit and thought it might be of interest here.




HOWS THE ECONOMY? Reader Ross Zelman writes:

    If you want to get a picture of how bad the US & world economy are doing, ask your readers to describe their holiday travel abroad. Im in Aruba right now (having a great family vacation). This is our seventh trip in eight years; weve been timeshare owners for half that time. We arent experts in any sense, but simple observation and inquiry shows that hotels are at less than 50%, hotel staff are reduced, planes are flying less frequently and at less than full occupancy, restaurant reservations are easy to come by and fellow travellers are looking at the empty lounge chairs next to them and all agreeing that things are even worst than in 2001. If optional travel is a leading indicator, the economy is going to retract faster than we even realized.

http://pajamasmedia.com/instapundit/64233/



So things are worse in Aruba than the Christmas after 9/11/01. I'm sure it has much to do with our economy being in the tank, but I'm certainly pleased to learn that Aruba is suffering greatly. 50% less tourists than usual. That has to hurt when your entire economy depends on tourism! Can't happen to a nicer bunch than the Arubans IMO.

Yep, they have to learn to let Justice prevail on Corruptiuon first 
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« Reply #37 on: December 24, 2008, 08:53:50 PM »

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« Reply #38 on: December 24, 2008, 09:17:23 PM »

Pearl at BFN posted this:


http://www.blikopnieuws.nl/extern_bericht/378784


JORAN VAN DER SLOOT VIERT NU FEEST IN LAOS!
Joran van der Sloot heeft Thailand verruild voor het naburige Laos! Blijkbaar werd de Thaise grond toch te heet onder zijn voeten nadat misdaadverslaggever Peter R. de Vries hem voor de tweede maal in het geniep gefilmd had. Op die tweede opnamen met de verborgen camera suggereerde Joran dat hij Thaise vrouwen zou kunnen leveren voor de Nederlandse seksmarkt. Niet lang na de uitzending van De Vries besloot Joran Thailand te verruilen voor Laos, maar ook daar vermaakt Van der Sloot, nog altijd verdacht van betrokkenheid bij de verdwijning van de Amerikaanse tiener Natalee Holloway op Aruba, zich uitstekend zo vertellen Nederlandse rugzaktoeristen die Joran tegen het lijf liepen in Bucks Bar in het dorpje Vang Vieng in Laos! Aan vrouwenhandel zal Joran zich in Laos blijkbaar niet wagen getuige de tekst op zijn t-shirt. Vraag blijft wel wie de wereldreis van Joran financiert!

Zie bron: ZIJonline

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JORAN OF THE DAY NOW VIERT CONCLUDED IN LAOS!
Joran van der Sloot has exchanged Thailand for neighboring Laos! Apparently the Thai was still too hot ground under his feet after crime reporter Peter R. de Vries him for the second time in the quiet was filmed. On the second images with a hidden camera Joran suggested that he could make Thai women for the sex Dutch market. Not long after the broadcast of De Vries Joran Thailand decided to move out of Laos, but also entertained Van der Sloot, is still suspected of involvement in the disappearance of American teenager Natalee Holloway in Aruba, is excellent as telling Dutch backpacker tourists against Joran the bodyguard was in Bucks Bar in the village of Vang Vieng in Laos! On trafficking in Laos Joran will apparently not seen the text car at t-shirt .... Question remains of others whose finances Joran!

See source: ZIJonline


 
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"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

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« Reply #39 on: December 24, 2008, 09:17:26 PM »

Merry Christmas to All!


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