Natalee Case Discussion #787 12/24/08 - 12/31/08

[Tamikosmom]

Thank you for the warm welcome.  The truth is coming out.  I believe that Kyle's intentions were honorable at first, but his hands got tied.  Once his hands were tied, his focus shifted.

Instead of monkeys and birds eating each other, we need to concentrate on where the EVIDENCE is that was removed from the cage.

wingnut

Using Kyle Kingman's own words in his posts to the Natalee's Freebirds which can be traced through IP number ...

1.  Is there no way the family and John Q. Kelly can put pressure on the "powers that be" in Aruba?

2.  Is there no way that the family can expose the Persistence hoax through media sources? 

Janet

[Keepthefaith]

Sent to me by Natalee's Freebirds:

Please feel free (if you'd like) to post this at your board.
 
During the journey of the Persistence to Aruba, Kyle reached out and emailed with us.  During that time, one of the questions posed to him was regarding protocol if/when Natalee's remains were found.
 
Kyle's response was that he was unsure, but felt that would be settled before the search began.
 
The cautions were given to him about the lack of integrity on the part of Aruba's law enforcement, prosecutor's office, and its judiciary.
 
Contact with Kyle continued throughout the duration of the search by the Persistence.
 
Once back home, Kyle asked us for our help.  He was very concerned about the activities that transpired during their search - specifically surrounding the find of the fishing cage and its contents.  Kyle wanted our help in presenting this information in a factual way, to then be given to Natalee's family. 
 
This was March 18, 2008.  At that time, Kyle assured us he had just recently sent the images from the Dec 30th and Jan 7th dives to the FBI, but had never received a response from them.
 
We later found that to be false.
 
Also at that time, Beth's brother saw the images Kyle had shared with us - but none of the detail he shared later.

We compiled the images Kyle presented us, along with his opinions and the facts surrounding the sequence of events regarding that fishing cage.  Kyle stated he would be getting in touch with Beth Holloway.
 
We later found out that never happened.

At this time, Kyle shared with us the broadcast networks he had approached in February, in an attempt to sell these images to the highest bidder.
 
This didn't concern us greatly at that time - as we were under the impression US law enforcement and Natalee's family had already been made aware of their find.
 
Approximately May 2008 Kyle began dodging questions for details (we had asked for names of Aruban police and divers to be included in our documentation of these events), hedging on moving forward with this, and then he completely disappeared from our board.
 
During that time, we learned Kyle had never contacted Beth, or Dave, or the FBI with this information.
 
We put our original plan into motion - that of presenting this information in a clear and concise manner, and we sent it to Beth Holloway.
 
Beth was disturbed, needed time to digest the information, and wanted to share it with someone she trusts.
 
When Tim Miller was returning to Aruba this past fall, Beth gave us permission to release this information publicly.
 
At that point, we gave it to John Kelly, Carmen Adams with the FBI, and got it ready for public consumption.
 
The next step was to publish this information at our blog.
 
One of our members felt we were betraying Kyle in doing so, contacted him, and he re-surfaced at our site with threats of litigation against us - stating this was his "intellectual property" and we could not use it.
 
That of course concerned us greatly - as none of us could afford to be sued.
 
He also stated at that time, Luis Shaefer had just recently sold the rights of the video of these images to a broadcast company for the purposes of a documentary.
 
We contacted legal counsel and were advised to keep our distance from any Persistence crew member, in the face of potential obstruction/accessory charges.
 
At this point, one of our members decided to brace for the possibility of civil litigation, resigned from our membership to protect it from same, and posted what he knows to be factual at SM.
 
Kyle did tell us human remains were found in that fish cage.
 
Kyle did tell us about John Silvetti's intent to open an office on the island of Aruba, to enable him ease in conducting business in South America, and Aruba.
 
Kyle also told us of John's absolute refusal to give that fish cage and its contents any credence - before even it was inspected on Jan 7th.
 
Kyle told us in no uncertain terms that Tim Miller and Dateline were abruptly removed from the Persistence on Dec 30, resulting in only Persistence crew being aboard between that date and the Jan 7 dive of the Arubans.
 
Nothing that was posted at SM by kermit was incorrect, out of context, or in any way false.
 
Regards,
 
Former Natalee's Freebirds Administrator
Natalee and her family deserve justice - and we will not let up until they have it!

 

I'm literally getting chills Janet.Thanx for the heads up!

[Keepthefaith]

Thank You Wingnut!

[Magnolia]

I am very thankful to Wingnut and the Freebirds Adm. for letting
us know that what we have believed is true.

I am also thankful to Kermit for stearing us in the right direction.

Now I must wonder about others that have sent the monkeys on
wild goose chases and why.

I think Natalee's remains might possibably be in the morgue in
Aruba....still to this day.

[Tamikosmom]

truthseeker

I would sincerely appreciate your perspective on this topic when the confirmation from the Freebird's former administrator is considered.  Has it changed?

Thank you.

Janet

++++++

I think the postings about Kyle have been too harsh.  He clearly expressed his concerns all along and provided tons of info that would never have been available otherwise.  I also agree that some of what he said may have been taken out of context.  It's easy to question everything he did in retrospect, but I think he did his best functioning in a complex situation and had good intentions.  Sometimes things are not black and white, and of course he has to protect himself and his livelihood and reputation.  I think it was a mistake to alienate him, and I don't think he owes it to SM to defend himself.  Sometimes you are placed in a situation where it's a no-win no matter what you do. And using his religious beliefs to try to get him to come back and explain seems cruel. 

Thank you!!  Well said.

[Tamikosmom]

Hi Kermit.

I see ya lurking.

 

Janet

[Magnolia]

truthseeker

I would sincerely appreciate your perspective on this topic when the confirmation from the Freebird's former administrator is considered.  Has it changed?

Thank you.

Janet

++++++

I think the postings about Kyle have been too harsh.  He clearly expressed his concerns all along and provided tons of info that would never have been available otherwise.  I also agree that some of what he said may have been taken out of context.  It's easy to question everything he did in retrospect, but I think he did his best functioning in a complex situation and had good intentions.  Sometimes things are not black and white, and of course he has to protect himself and his livelihood and reputation.  I think it was a mistake to alienate him, and I don't think he owes it to SM to defend himself.  Sometimes you are placed in a situation where it's a no-win no matter what you do. And using his religious beliefs to try to get him to come back and explain seems cruel. 

Thank you!!  Well said.

Janet, is your blood boiling just a little bit?  Mine is.
I wish I could hug that frog.

[texasmom]

Hi Kermit.

I see ya lurking.

 

Janet

  

[Kermit]

ldstlou
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #787 12/24/08 -
« Reply #283 on: December 29, 2008, 10:20:17 PM »
I have real problem with Kermit.
/http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4269.280

Idstlou,
I am not going to do things or say things that have any agenda other then to expose the truth.
I am sorry you choose to interpret what you are told differently, but I do not. I have not taken
anything out of context. I have not violated any agreements. I HAVE given information of a crime
and cover-up to the appropriate individuals. I will not belabor your opinion of me.

[Tamikosmom]

Janet, is your blood boiling just a little bit?  Mine is.
I wish I could hug that frog.

This religious fanatical Monkey is praising God ... dancing in the aisles and ... she is not even Charasmatic.

 

The affirmation from the former administrator of the Natalee's Freebirds has the ability to bring the Natalee's Monkeys back together in the same cage in regards to this topic.

Janet

[Kermit]

Hi Kermit.

I see ya lurking.

 

Janet

Hello Ms. Janet.
It's colder then a frogs tit where I am.

[Kermit]

[Keepthefaith]

Janet, is your blood boiling just a little bit?  Mine is.
I wish I could hug that frog.

This religious fanatical Monkey is praising God ... dancing in the aisles and ... she is not even Charasmatic.

 

The affirmation from the former administrator of the Natalee's Freebirds has the ability to bring the Natalee's Monkeys back together in the same cage in regards to this topic.

Janet

The Fraser Valley better brace itself...

[Keepthefaith]

Hi Kermit.

I see ya lurking.

 

Janet

Hello Ms. Janet.
It's colder then a frogs tit where I am.

Again.Thank you Kermit.. The snow is melting away up here in Seattle.....

[Keepthefaith]

Has your mind changed Truthseeker2???

[texasmom]

Janet, is your blood boiling just a little bit?  Mine is.
I wish I could hug that frog.

This religious fanatical Monkey is praising God ... dancing in the aisles and ... she is not even Charasmatic.

 

The affirmation from the former administrator of the Natalee's Freebirds has the ability to bring the Natalee's Monkeys back together in the same cage in regards to this topic.

Janet

I agree Janet, and I can't help but feel that there's a precious monkey in heaven working some magic!!!!  

[Kermit]

Janet, is your blood boiling just a little bit?  Mine is.
I wish I could hug that frog.

 

[Keepthefaith]

Janet, is your blood boiling just a little bit?  Mine is.
I wish I could hug that frog.

 

I feel Miss Piggy's wrath coming on if you try to flirt with the Frog Magnolia..

[Tamikosmom]

Hi Kermit.

I see ya lurking.

 

Janet

Hello Ms. Janet.
It's colder then a frogs tit where I am.

 

I am not sure how cold that is but ... it is very cold here.

However ... Mr. Tamikosmom has dug a new pond in the back of the property to allow for drainage and ... it is heated and outlined with little Japanese lanterns ... waiting to accompany you and Miss Piggy.

Hugs

Janet

[crazybabyborg]

Good Day, Kermit! I mean it. It's a good Day! 

Thank You for being such a thick "hided" frog.

Thank YOU Klaas, for posting the letter!!!