Natalee Case Discussion #787 12/24/08 - 12/31/08

[texasmom]

O.K. just got home from husbands family Christmas dinner. Brother in law says he and a friend are going to Aruba in Feb. I lost it and told him IF he did I would NEVER speak to him again.  He asked my husband if I was serious and he told him YES.  I told him it was dangerous for tourists, no laws, tourists getting robbed, rental cars being stolen.  My husband told him that is the place Natalee went missing.  BIL says oh they found out she was sold into slavery.  Lost it again with him. Told him come to my home I want to show him some facts he needs to know before he goes.   He told me b4 I left he was sorry if he upset me.  Told him I was dead serious and he has to come to my home so I can "educate" him.  So mad at him right now.

Good for you Blue Moon of KY! 

Not only do we not want anyone going there until there is Justice for Natalee; it's really not safe to go there right now.    

[texasmom]

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/1224129/the_mysterious_disappearance_of_natalee.html?cat=17

11/26/2008

The Mysterious Disappearance of Natalee Holloway
Dead or Alive - Has a Crime Been Committed?

After Natalee Holloway disappeared on May 30, 2005, during a senior class trip on the island of Aruba, at least seven young men along with the father of one, Paul Van Der Sloot, were detained and/or arrested in connection with her disappearance. A judge in training, Paul Van der Sloot was soon released due to insufficient evidence. Two others, security guards Antonius "Mickey" John, 30, and Abraham Jones, 28, were released when the police said they had nothing to do with Holloway's disappearance. Steven Gregory Croes, 26, was released due to insufficient evidence. The other three, Joran van der Sloot, 17, and two Surinamese brothers, Satish Kalpoe, 18, and Deepak Kalpoe, 21, were also eventually released for the same reason.

Later, in May 2006, yet another young man, Guido Weaver, 18, and a casino worker and self-proclaimed friend of Joran Van der Sloot, was indicted for the murder of Natalee Holloway. A week later, Weaver was released - again for insufficient evidence to hold him. In November 2007, authorities re-arrested Van der Sloot and the Kalpoe brothers. This time they were charged with "involvement in the voluntary manslaughter of Natalee Holloway or causing serious bodily harm to Natalee Holloway, resulting in her death". Once more, all three were released due to insufficient evidence.

What is evident is that if you were a young man who was near where Holloway was last seen, it automatically made you a viable suspect and subject to being arrested or indicted with no evidence otherwise. Although this is a pursuable reason, it does become convoluted with each new rumor attributed as being fact even without actual corroboration. Each and every one of these men can be repeatedly arrested, only to be once more released for lack of evidence. In the meantime, how many more "suspects" will be identified while the Aruba police sift through their grab bag of possibilities?

After multiple arrests and even an attempt to be sued by Holloway's parents, Joran Van der Sloot has been the number one suspect. Dutch journalist Peter De Vries videotaped an interview with Van der Sloot on two different occasions where Van der Sloot made statements that he had help disposing of Holloway's body. The second interview, again set up by De Vries, shows Van der Sloot supposedly making arrangements to supply women for a sex industry. Nevertheless, the comments he has made has led many to believe he knows what happened to Natalee Holloway and he does admit to being one of the last to see her the night she went missing.

If the statements were provable that he was telling the truth about what happened or admitting he had anything to do with her alleged death and disappearance, it would give the Aruba officials and Holloway's family a legal stance to try and get a conviction. So far, there is no legal evidence that will hold up in court. It is more likely that Van der Sloot has a bigger problem with making up stories and embellishing them with each telling - depending on who his audience is. Whether or not these evolving tales will be proven true are still subject to debate; however, it does appear that Joran Van der Sloot has a problem keeping his mouth shut or he has a death wish of some kind. These statements have been categorized as being his "confession" for causing the death of Natalee Holloway; instead, they just seem to be an integral part of the imaginary world in which Van der Sloot resides.

Other witnesses have come forward claiming they saw these people with Natalee near a pond and near a landfill, yet investigation never turned up any evidence of Natalee or her body. Another witness has come forward two years later with yet another story of how Van der Sloot indicated he had done something to Holloway and then hid her body. Obviously, these so-called witnesses had no valid information to share and all appear to have been solely looking for their "fifteen minutes of fame". The problem has been that with all these witnesses and all the stories that have been put forward, there has not been a single statement that has generated a single real and verifiable clue as to what happened to Natalee Holloway.

Nonetheless, even if one of these men or any other person did admit to killing Natalee Holloway and also had disposed of her body in some manner, what are the chances of a conviction? Where is the physical evidence? There is no body and no evidence of a crime other than the fact that she is missing. There is no crime scene or forensic evidence connecting any person with her death. There is no evidence that she was sexually abused or is actually dead. No burial location has been found nor a single bone or piece of clothing. Until then, the disappearance of Natalee Holloway will remain a mystery. Without some evidence that points to any person being the cause of Holloway's disappearance, it is unlikely anyone will ever be convicted.


http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4239.900

Tim Miller: In my years of searching we have seen several bodies, skeletal remains--I have seen my own daughter's skeletal remains. I can’t help but believe at this moment that that is human remains in that crab trap.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23301056/page/4/


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Kyle stated: "This is a picture from Natalee standing on the beach and rotated and scaled to the image to matching the body form inside the trap. It matches the end of the skirt identically to what was seen in the cage."

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Will we ever know for sure??????????   

[texasmom]

Kyle: I took the proportions of the body form from the head, to shoulder, to a 90 degree angle which I believed to be the hem line of Natalee's skirt. I then took those proportions and matched them to the photo of Natalee with what she was last seen wearing. The proportions matched within an inch from head, to shoulder, to skirt line. Based on this comparison and with what we believed we saw in the Dec 29th video, Tim Miller contacted the family and told them the 99.9% comment. I told Tim not to do anything until we have forensic results back after the site is processed. Jan 7th we sampled the contents and in my opinion we found the skirt under the sand along with the other items The blue fabric was found right where the skirt is pictured. If it isn't her, it will forever haunt me as a major cosmic WTF.

[texasmom]

 

http://www.24ora.com/content/view/6898/5/



Papiamentu translation

boa is bite one child tourist of 10 anja thursday, 25 december 2008 - 19:47 come across

diahuebs 25 of december ambulance is wordo dirigi for kapel of alto vista where supuestamente one boa will have to owing to bite one person in the vecindario ey. hour cu ambulance owing to jega at the sitio enberdad they owing to come encontra cu one child tourist cu tawata bezig cu one tour guide y for one motibo or another have to owing to bay march in the district cu consequencia cu one boa will have to owing to bite. personal of ambulance not owing to see importancia for transporta the child for hospital, but if owing to dune one injection for her not contagia his self cu ailment or bacteria. after of the tratamento the child owing to lever in the tour bus y owing to sigi disfruta of we sweet island. click read more for more imagen.

[bleachedblack]

Mambo Jambo December 20th





December 24th Mambo Jambo

[bleachedblack]

http://www.24ora.com/content/view/6898/5/



Papiamentu translation

boa is bite one child tourist of 10 anja thursday, 25 december 2008 - 19:47 come across

diahuebs 25 of december ambulance is wordo dirigi for kapel of alto vista where supuestamente one boa will have to owing to bite one person in the vecindario ey. hour cu ambulance owing to jega at the sitio enberdad they owing to come encontra cu one child tourist cu tawata bezig cu one tour guide y for one motibo or another have to owing to bay march in the district cu consequencia cu one boa will have to owing to bite. personal of ambulance not owing to see importancia for transporta the child for hospital, but if owing to dune one injection for her not contagia his self cu ailment or bacteria. after of the tratamento the child owing to lever in the tour bus y owing to sigi disfruta of we sweet island. click read more for more imagen.

I also saw the article that posted the pic of the boa caught by Valero(?). Maybe all the rain this year has lead to a bumper crop of vipers......the kind without legs 



Boa ta ser captura den Valero
Thursday, 25 December 2008 - 19:03

http://www.24ora.com/content/view/6895/5/

[Tamikosmom]

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/1224129/the_mysterious_disappearance_of_natalee.html?cat=17

11/26/2008

The Mysterious Disappearance of Natalee Holloway
Dead or Alive - Has a Crime Been Committed?

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Nonetheless, even if one of these men or any other person did admit to killing Natalee Holloway and also had disposed of her body in some manner, what are the chances of a conviction? Where is the physical evidence? There is no body and no evidence of a crime other than the fact that she is missing. There is no crime scene or forensic evidence connecting any person with her death. There is no evidence that she was sexually abused or is actually dead. No burial location has been found nor a single bone or piece of clothing. Until then, the disappearance of Natalee Holloway will remain a mystery. Without some evidence that points to any person being the cause of Holloway's disappearance, it is unlikely anyone will ever be convicted.

<snipped>

Good Morning texasmom and ... thank you.

I hope you had a nice Christmas.

Since the discovery of the cage/trap and the recovery of the contents by ALE ... the issue has been a non-topic in the media.  I believe that immediate and ongoing distractions are the reasona.

Think about it.  Tim Miller and Dave Holloway were immediately sent on a goose-chase to Costa Rica regarding a "tip".  The crew of the Persistence where immediately sent to check the pond in regards to a "tip".  Then there were the Joran confessions and ... now the Rudy Croes focus on Jan Vander Straaten.

 

Kyle Kingman has the ability to expose the Persistence hoax and ... the John S./ALE connection.  Kyle has the ability to expose the self-serving motivations of John S.  Kyle has the ability to expose the scam that deceived those who sacrificially donated to the Persistence undertaking ... an undertaking that had nothing to do with justice for Natalee Holloway and ... a measure of closure for her family.

Janet

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KYLE KINGMAN'S POST - PRIVATE SITE

Kyle: We're being fed misinformation to keep us searching and out of their way while they cover their asses, destroy evidence, cover their tracks, and keep us out at sea and away from the trap.


Oceanexploration
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #776 11/19-08
« Reply #705 on: November 20, 2008, 11:22:14 PM »

Tim Miller was never on the Persistence while I was not on board.  He stepped off on or about the 1st of Jan to follow up on the false lead in Costa Rica IIRC.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4153.msg551304#msg551304

[texasmom]

Mambo Jambo December 20th





December 24th Mambo Jambo

How gross!  I saw that one of Steve (the tongue one...ewwwww), it must be a fad or something; I saw a pic of another DJ doing the same thing!
 

[texasmom]

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/1224129/the_mysterious_disappearance_of_natalee.html?cat=17

11/26/2008

The Mysterious Disappearance of Natalee Holloway
Dead or Alive - Has a Crime Been Committed?

<snipped>

Nonetheless, even if one of these men or any other person did admit to killing Natalee Holloway and also had disposed of her body in some manner, what are the chances of a conviction? Where is the physical evidence? There is no body and no evidence of a crime other than the fact that she is missing. There is no crime scene or forensic evidence connecting any person with her death. There is no evidence that she was sexually abused or is actually dead. No burial location has been found nor a single bone or piece of clothing. Until then, the disappearance of Natalee Holloway will remain a mystery. Without some evidence that points to any person being the cause of Holloway's disappearance, it is unlikely anyone will ever be convicted.

<snipped>

Good Morning texasmom and ... thank you.

I hope you had a nice Christmas.

Since the discovery of the cage/trap and the recovery of the contents by ALE ... the issue has been a non-topic in the media.  I believe that immediate and ongoing distractions are the reasona.

Think about it.  Tim Miller and Dave Holloway were immediately sent on a goose-chase to Costa Rica regarding a "tip".  The crew of the Persistence where immediately sent to check the pond in regards to a "tip".  Then there were the Joran confessions and ... now the Rudy Croes focus on Jan Vander Straaten.

 

Kyle Kingman has the ability to expose the Persistence hoax and ... the John S./ALE connection.  Kyle has the ability to expose the self-serving motivations of John S.  Kyle has the ability to expose the scam that deceived those who sacrificially donated to the Persistence undertaking ... an undertaking that had nothing to do with justice for Natalee Holloway and ... a measure of closure for her family.

Janet

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KYLE KINGMAN'S POST - PRIVATE SITE

Kyle: We're being fed misinformation to keep us searching and out of their way while they cover their asses, destroy evidence, cover their tracks, and keep us out at sea and away from the trap.


Oceanexploration
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #776 11/19-08
« Reply #705 on: November 20, 2008, 11:22:14 PM »

Tim Miller was never on the Persistence while I was not on board.  He stepped off on or about the 1st of Jan to follow up on the false lead in Costa Rica IIRC.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4153.msg551304#msg551304

Good afternoon Janet, and thank you!  I had a wonderful Christmas!  I hope you did too. 

However, the questions surrounding the information Kermit has provided were always on my mind.      

I have to wonder if you are right (the information so far says;yes), and Kyle has the ability to reveal information that would prove collusion by American "heroes" with an Aruban coverup to conceal the finding of the remains of precious Natalee; or if we are wrong (what don't we know) ????  I had so been hoping for some word from our fearless top banana Red to help me determine what to believe; but that has not come...so I have to wonder why that word hasn't come (either he hasn't been able to find out yet; or he can't post what he has found out)???? 

So many questions!!!!!   

[San]

Mambo Jambo December 20th





December 24th Mambo Jambo

How gross!  I saw that one of Steve (the tongue one...ewwwww), it must be a fad or something; I saw a pic of another DJ doing the same thing!
 

I was hoping his tongue would get caught and ripped out of his mouth.  He is so disgusting.

[2NJSons_Mom]

Mambo Jambo December 20th





December 24th Mambo Jambo

Do you think that is SC in the top pic with hair design & 4 days later in 2nd pic has regular hair?  I don't, but I guess it doesn't matter....

[Tamikosmom]

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/1224129/the_mysterious_disappearance_of_natalee.html?cat=17

11/26/2008

The Mysterious Disappearance of Natalee Holloway
Dead or Alive - Has a Crime Been Committed?

<snipped>

Nonetheless, even if one of these men or any other person did admit to killing Natalee Holloway and also had disposed of her body in some manner, what are the chances of a conviction? Where is the physical evidence? There is no body and no evidence of a crime other than the fact that she is missing. There is no crime scene or forensic evidence connecting any person with her death. There is no evidence that she was sexually abused or is actually dead. No burial location has been found nor a single bone or piece of clothing. Until then, the disappearance of Natalee Holloway will remain a mystery. Without some evidence that points to any person being the cause of Holloway's disappearance, it is unlikely anyone will ever be convicted.

<snipped>

Good Morning texasmom and ... thank you.

I hope you had a nice Christmas.

Since the discovery of the cage/trap and the recovery of the contents by ALE ... the issue has been a non-topic in the media.  I believe that immediate and ongoing distractions are the reasona.

Think about it.  Tim Miller and Dave Holloway were immediately sent on a goose-chase to Costa Rica regarding a "tip".  The crew of the Persistence where immediately sent to check the pond in regards to a "tip".  Then there were the Joran confessions and ... now the Rudy Croes focus on Jan Vander Straaten.

 

Kyle Kingman has the ability to expose the Persistence hoax and ... the John S./ALE connection.  Kyle has the ability to expose the self-serving motivations of John S.  Kyle has the ability to expose the scam that deceived those who sacrificially donated to the Persistence undertaking ... an undertaking that had nothing to do with justice for Natalee Holloway and ... a measure of closure for her family.

Janet

_______


KYLE KINGMAN'S POST - PRIVATE SITE

Kyle: We're being fed misinformation to keep us searching and out of their way while they cover their asses, destroy evidence, cover their tracks, and keep us out at sea and away from the trap.


Oceanexploration
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #776 11/19-08
« Reply #705 on: November 20, 2008, 11:22:14 PM »

Tim Miller was never on the Persistence while I was not on board.  He stepped off on or about the 1st of Jan to follow up on the false lead in Costa Rica IIRC.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4153.msg551304#msg551304

Was Maggie and CBB's concerns right on?  Was the search for the "Michelle" .... an Aruban  vessel that was in distress one of the diversions which Kyle Kingman's was referring to ... the diversions to keep the crew of the Persistence away from the cage/trap which may have held Natalee Holloway's remains?

Kyle Kingman does not think so but ... when you consider ... the pond tip ... the Costa Rica tip ... the pond witnesses ... Joran confessions ... the investigation of Jan Vander Straaten by Rudy Croes ...

 

Janet

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God bless you all!

Please be careful. Trusting the Aruban government can prove fatal. I find it interesting that the Aruban Port Authority would contact you at 2100, 9pm, about a missing boat. Had they no one else to send for rescue? 9pm? Then they send you a different set of coordinates? I know you have to do the right thing and pursue the lost boat, but I think you might have been in an area searching where they didn't want you to be or they just wanted to cost you a night's work. I also worry they might try to harm the Persistance. I sincerely hope I am wrong but felt the need to tell you my concerns.

I share the same concerns as Maggie! I can't help but worry that the ship was in the vacinity where Natalee could be found when the call came in. Obviously, the perpetrators of Natalee's demise had help from authorities and someone knows where she was disposed. The ship may have been too close for comfort.

Take care and God Bless you for all you are doing! You remain in my thoughts and prayers every day!

This wasn't part of any conspiracy or diversion. The Michelle was in distress. They likely lost their mast in which case they would lose GPS positioning.  By the time they realised they were in trouble they got disoriented and didn't know where they were.  Those seas were very rough. The night can be extremely disorienting especially with clouds on the horizon, no power, and bouncing around inside of a derilict boat.  It's courtesy to respond to distress calls when you're in the vicinity.
 
The Persistence is always in the vicinity where Natalee could be found.  This is why we're searching.  IMO The Aruban authorities have done nothing but help in anyway they can.
As for costing a nights work... the night was too rough to search and we would have turned towards the dock shortly anyhow.

[texasmom]

Mambo Jambo December 20th





December 24th Mambo Jambo

How gross!  I saw that one of Steve (the tongue one...ewwwww), it must be a fad or something; I saw a pic of another DJ doing the same thing!
 

I was hoping his tongue would get caught and ripped out of his mouth.  He is so disgusting.

I wish it would too San!  I have a pic or two where he is making other gestures with his tongue that I didn't post because I had no doubt what the gestures were replicating!  He knew his picture was being taken, and intentionally posed that way!  He is a disgusting POS, and eventually he will stick his tongue in the wrong place and it will either get ripped out or rot off!

 

[texasmom]

http://www.24ora.com/content/view/6898/5/



Papiamentu translation

boa is bite one child tourist of 10 anja thursday, 25 december 2008 - 19:47 come across

diahuebs 25 of december ambulance is wordo dirigi for kapel of alto vista where supuestamente one boa will have to owing to bite one person in the vecindario ey. hour cu ambulance owing to jega at the sitio enberdad they owing to come encontra cu one child tourist cu tawata bezig cu one tour guide y for one motibo or another have to owing to bay march in the district cu consequencia cu one boa will have to owing to bite. personal of ambulance not owing to see importancia for transporta the child for hospital, but if owing to dune one injection for her not contagia his self cu ailment or bacteria. after of the tratamento the child owing to lever in the tour bus y owing to sigi disfruta of we sweet island. click read more for more imagen.

I also saw the article that posted the pic of the boa caught by Valero(?). Maybe all the rain this year has lead to a bumper crop of vipers......the kind without legs 



Boa ta ser captura den Valero
Thursday, 25 December 2008 - 19:03

http://www.24ora.com/content/view/6895/5/

I think you're right bb, all the rain is driving the snakes out!  Forecast is rain all this week too!

[texasmom]

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/1224129/the_mysterious_disappearance_of_natalee.html?cat=17

11/26/2008

The Mysterious Disappearance of Natalee Holloway
Dead or Alive - Has a Crime Been Committed?

<snipped>

Nonetheless, even if one of these men or any other person did admit to killing Natalee Holloway and also had disposed of her body in some manner, what are the chances of a conviction? Where is the physical evidence? There is no body and no evidence of a crime other than the fact that she is missing. There is no crime scene or forensic evidence connecting any person with her death. There is no evidence that she was sexually abused or is actually dead. No burial location has been found nor a single bone or piece of clothing. Until then, the disappearance of Natalee Holloway will remain a mystery. Without some evidence that points to any person being the cause of Holloway's disappearance, it is unlikely anyone will ever be convicted.

<snipped>

Good Morning texasmom and ... thank you.

I hope you had a nice Christmas.

Since the discovery of the cage/trap and the recovery of the contents by ALE ... the issue has been a non-topic in the media.  I believe that immediate and ongoing distractions are the reasona.

Think about it.  Tim Miller and Dave Holloway were immediately sent on a goose-chase to Costa Rica regarding a "tip".  The crew of the Persistence where immediately sent to check the pond in regards to a "tip".  Then there were the Joran confessions and ... now the Rudy Croes focus on Jan Vander Straaten.

 

Kyle Kingman has the ability to expose the Persistence hoax and ... the John S./ALE connection.  Kyle has the ability to expose the self-serving motivations of John S.  Kyle has the ability to expose the scam that deceived those who sacrificially donated to the Persistence undertaking ... an undertaking that had nothing to do with justice for Natalee Holloway and ... a measure of closure for her family.

Janet

_______


KYLE KINGMAN'S POST - PRIVATE SITE

Kyle: We're being fed misinformation to keep us searching and out of their way while they cover their asses, destroy evidence, cover their tracks, and keep us out at sea and away from the trap.


Oceanexploration
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #776 11/19-08
« Reply #705 on: November 20, 2008, 11:22:14 PM »

Tim Miller was never on the Persistence while I was not on board.  He stepped off on or about the 1st of Jan to follow up on the false lead in Costa Rica IIRC.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4153.msg551304#msg551304

Was Maggie and CBB's concerns right on?  Was the search for the "Michelle" .... an Aruban  vessel that was in distress one of the diversions which Kyle Kingman's was referring to ... the diversions to keep the crew of the Persistence away from the cage/trap which may have held Natalee Holloway's remains?

Kyle Kingman does not think so but ... when you consider ... the pond tip ... the Costa Rica tip ... the pond witnesses ... Joran confessions ... the investigation of Jan Vander Straaten by Rudy Croes ...

 

Janet

_______

God bless you all!

Please be careful. Trusting the Aruban government can prove fatal. I find it interesting that the Aruban Port Authority would contact you at 2100, 9pm, about a missing boat. Had they no one else to send for rescue? 9pm? Then they send you a different set of coordinates? I know you have to do the right thing and pursue the lost boat, but I think you might have been in an area searching where they didn't want you to be or they just wanted to cost you a night's work. I also worry they might try to harm the Persistance. I sincerely hope I am wrong but felt the need to tell you my concerns.

I share the same concerns as Maggie! I can't help but worry that the ship was in the vacinity where Natalee could be found when the call came in. Obviously, the perpetrators of Natalee's demise had help from authorities and someone knows where she was disposed. The ship may have been too close for comfort.

Take care and God Bless you for all you are doing! You remain in my thoughts and prayers every day!

This wasn't part of any conspiracy or diversion. The Michelle was in distress. They likely lost their mast in which case they would lose GPS positioning.  By the time they realised they were in trouble they got disoriented and didn't know where they were.  Those seas were very rough. The night can be extremely disorienting especially with clouds on the horizon, no power, and bouncing around inside of a derilict boat.  It's courtesy to respond to distress calls when you're in the vicinity.
 
The Persistence is always in the vicinity where Natalee could be found.  This is why we're searching.  IMO The Aruban authorities have done nothing but help in anyway they can.
As for costing a nights work... the night was too rough to search and we would have turned towards the dock shortly anyhow.

That has always been suspicious to me too! 

[Tamikosmom]

Was Maggie and CBB's concerns right on?  Was the search for the "Michelle" .... an Aruban  vessel that was in distress one of the diversions which Kyle Kingman's was referring to ... the diversions to keep the crew of the Persistence away from the cage/trap which may have held Natalee Holloway's remains?

Kyle Kingman does not think so but ... when you consider ... the pond tip ... the Costa Rica tip ... the pond witnesses ... Joran confessions ... the investigation of Jan Vander Straaten by Rudy Croes ...

 

Janet

_______


MAGGIE

God bless you all!

Please be careful. Trusting the Aruban government can prove fatal. I find it interesting that the Aruban Port Authority would contact you at 2100, 9pm, about a missing boat. Had they no one else to send for rescue? 9pm? Then they send you a different set of coordinates? I know you have to do the right thing and pursue the lost boat, but I think you might have been in an area searching where they didn't want you to be or they just wanted to cost you a night's work. I also worry they might try to harm the Persistance. I sincerely hope I am wrong but felt the need to tell you my concerns.

CBB

I share the same concerns as Maggie! I can't help but worry that the ship was in the vacinity where Natalee could be found when the call came in. Obviously, the perpetrators of Natalee's demise had help from authorities and someone knows where she was disposed. The ship may have been too close for comfort.

Take care and God Bless you for all you are doing! You remain in my thoughts and prayers every day!

KYLE KINGMAN

This wasn't part of any conspiracy or diversion. The Michelle was in distress. They likely lost their mast in which case they would lose GPS positioning.  By the time they realised they were in trouble they got disoriented and didn't know where they were.  Those seas were very rough. The night can be extremely disorienting especially with clouds on the horizon, no power, and bouncing around inside of a derilict boat.  It's courtesy to respond to distress calls when you're in the vicinity.
 
The Persistence is always in the vicinity where Natalee could be found.  This is why we're searching.  IMO The Aruban authorities have done nothing but help in anyway they can.
As for costing a nights work... the night was too rough to search and we would have turned towards the dock shortly anyhow.

That has always been suspicious to me too! 
 

Even more suspicious when you consider Kyle Kingman's words posted on a private site sometime in the months following.  It was almost as though he was through covering for John S./ALE conspiracy.  I wish his concerns had been shared with the FBI and/or Natalee Holloway's family.

Janet

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KYLE KINGMAN'S POST - PRIVATE SITE

Kyle: We're being fed misinformation to keep us searching and out of their way while they cover their asses, destroy evidence, cover their tracks, and keep us out at sea and away from the trap.

[Keepthefaith]

Hope all you Monkey's had a wonderful Christmas..

I agree with Janet at this point in time.Also.Remember Red said things are going on behind the scenes,as well as Rob has contact with Tj Ward.We'll have to await their word!Let's get back to The Persistence.Where are John Silvetti,Tim Trahan,as well as Schaeffer and everyone else that was involved on the 7th of Jan??

[truthseeker2]

Mambo Jambo December 20th





December 24th Mambo Jambo

Do you think that is SC in the top pic with hair design & 4 days later in 2nd pic has regular hair?  I don't, but I guess it doesn't matter....

Either the dates are wrong, or we have two different DeeJays here.

Thanks, 2NJSons_Mom !

[Tamikosmom]

Hope all you Monkey's had a wonderful Christmas..

I agree with Janet at this point in time.Also.Remember Red said things are going on behind the scenes,as well as Rob has contact with Tj Ward.We'll have to await their word!Let's get back to The Persistence.Where are John Silvetti,Tim Trahan,as well as Schaeffer and everyone else that was involved on the 7th of Jan??

I had a great Christmas but soooo glad it is all over.  I thrive on routine ... structure.  I find the Christmas season ... for the most part ... so overwhelming at times.  Although ... hubby and I are going to venture out to do some visiting this afternoon ... the peace and quiet of the morning has been appreciated.

Keepthefaith ... I hope that your Christmas went well.

When Kyle Kingman's words posted at another site are considered ... I do not think the topic of the cage/trap should lose focus until the contents the ALE retrieved without a challenge by John S. are revealed.  The family may be working behind the scenes but ... the posts of Monkeys have meaning as well.  Scared Monkeys' forums are open ... open for ALL to read.  It only takes one person who has the ability to make a significant difference ....

Janet
12:30 PM PT

[Keepthefaith]

Hope all you Monkey's had a wonderful Christmas..

I agree with Janet at this point in time.Also.Remember Red said things are going on behind the scenes,as well as Rob has contact with Tj Ward.We'll have to await their word!Let's get back to The Persistence.Where are John Silvetti,Tim Trahan,as well as Schaeffer and everyone else that was involved on the 7th of Jan??

I had a great Christmas but soooo glad it is all over.  I thrive on routine ... structure.  I find the Christmas season ... for the most part ... so overwhelming at times.  Although ... hubby and I are going to venture out to do some visiting this afternoon ... the peace and quiet of the morning has been appreciated.

Keepthefaith ... I hope that your Christmas went well.

When Kyle Kingman's words posted at another site are considered ... I do not think the topic of the cage/trap should lose focus until the contents the ALE retrieved without a challenge by John S. are revealed.  The family may be working behind the scenes but ... the posts of Monkeys have meaning as well.  Scared Monkeys' forums are open ... open for ALL to read.  It only takes one person who has the ability to make a significant difference ....

Janet
12:30 PM PT

I pray for Kyle.To live with his knowledge with his daughter being named Natalee will be an ever present reminder of the ability to do right or wrong!"If" he has faith.He knows what the right choice is!

Glad you had a wonderful Christmas Janet.Down here in the Seattle area it was a little difficult traffic wise but,one can't complain with a white Christmas..