Natalee Case Discussion #787 12/24/08 - 12/31/08

[truthseeker2]

Just a thought, Kyle is the one who suggested the size of the trap.  We really don't know for sure the exact size except from what he has said.

Well...then when do we decide what things to believe?  Do we discard the cage measurments, but believe that those are human remains, or vice versa?

I'm not sold on that being a skull, but the other bone looks pretty similar to a human hip joint.

[Tamikosmom]

Just a thought, Kyle is the one who suggested the size of the trap.  We really don't know for sure the exact size except from what he has said.

oceanexploration (Kyle Kingman)
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #739 3/3 -
« Reply #92 on: March 03, 2008, 06:35:58 PM »

The trap was symmetrical in width and length at approximately 7.5 ft. It was approximately 2.25-2.5 ft high.  You're correct about the ROV video lens distorting perspective due to the paralax view lens.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2668.msg360072;topicseen#msg360072

[anidac]

Long time no see my old Monkey friends!  What's cook'in?

I Anidac - good to see you.  Too much to explain.  If you haven't been following along then I'm affraid you are on your own.

Believe it or not I continue to read in the cage at least a few times each week.  I have missed about 6 days though as Santa delivered a brand new baby grandson to our house last week.  The news about Peaches is what prompted me to actually log in and post this evening.  Now I am trying to hunt down this letter everyone is talking about tonight.

Hope the holiday season finds most of my old Monkey friends in good spirits!

[hotping]

Long time no see my old Monkey friends!  What's cook'in?

I Anidac - good to see you.  Too much to explain.  If you haven't been following along then I'm affraid you are on your own.

Believe it or not I continue to read in the cage at least a few times each week.  I have missed about 6 days though as Santa delivered a brand new baby grandson to our house last week.  The news about Peaches is what prompted me to actually log in and post this evening.  Now I am trying to hunt down this letter everyone is talking about tonight.

Hope the holiday season finds most of my old Monkey friends in good spirits!

Congratulations on the New Grandson....I Also Got A New Grandson for Christmas....and what a Gift It Is...... 

[anidac]

Long time no see my old Monkey friends!  What's cook'in?

I Anidac - good to see you.  Too much to explain.  If you haven't been following along then I'm affraid you are on your own.

Believe it or not I continue to read in the cage at least a few times each week.  I have missed about 6 days though as Santa delivered a brand new baby grandson to our house last week.  The news about Peaches is what prompted me to actually log in and post this evening.  Now I am trying to hunt down this letter everyone is talking about tonight.

Hope the holiday season finds most of my old Monkey friends in good spirits!

Congratulations on the New Grandson....I Also Got A New Grandson for Christmas....and what a Gift It Is...... 

Congratulations back at 'ya!  This makes number 3 for us.

[hotping]

Long time no see my old Monkey friends!  What's cook'in?

I Anidac - good to see you.  Too much to explain.  If you haven't been following along then I'm affraid you are on your own.

Believe it or not I continue to read in the cage at least a few times each week.  I have missed about 6 days though as Santa delivered a brand new baby grandson to our house last week.  The news about Peaches is what prompted me to actually log in and post this evening.  Now I am trying to hunt down this letter everyone is talking about tonight.

Hope the holiday season finds most of my old Monkey friends in good spirits!

Congratulations on the New Grandson....I Also Got A New Grandson for Christmas....and what a Gift It Is...... 

Congratulations back at 'ya!  This makes number 3 for us.

Sorry Klaas for the O/T
Thank You! 2 Boys and 1 Girl for Us!   

[truthseeker2]

Long time no see my old Monkey friends!  What's cook'in?

I Anidac - good to see you.  Too much to explain.  If you haven't been following along then I'm affraid you are on your own.

Believe it or not I continue to read in the cage at least a few times each week.  I have missed about 6 days though as Santa delivered a brand new baby grandson to our house last week.  The news about Peaches is what prompted me to actually log in and post this evening.  Now I am trying to hunt down this letter everyone is talking about tonight.

Hope the holiday season finds most of my old Monkey friends in good spirits!

Congratulations on the New Grandson....I Also Got A New Grandson for Christmas....and what a Gift It Is...... 

Congratulations back at 'ya!  This makes number 3 for us.

Well, folks, I hate to brag.  But, as a grandparent it is my duty.  Last Christmas we got twin boys to make a total of three.  This was a very busy Christmas thus year because all three were very mobile!

Congrats to both of you on your wonderful family additions!

[hotping]

Just a thought, Kyle is the one who suggested the size of the trap.  We really don't know for sure the exact size except from what he has said.

Well...then when do we decide what things to believe?  Do we discard the cage measurments, but believe that those are human remains, or vice versa?

I'm not sold on that being a skull, but the other bone looks pretty similar to a human hip joint.

I believe that it was a skull but maybe not all of it.......like maybe parts were missing at the bottom....JMO

[2NJSons_Mom]

 

It took me a while to catch up, but it was quite a read! 

Welcome to jen3560 & wingnut. 

Looking forward to Kermit's additional reveal, for sure.

[truthseeker2]

Just a thought, Kyle is the one who suggested the size of the trap.  We really don't know for sure the exact size except from what he has said.

Well...then when do we decide what things to believe?  Do we discard the cage measurments, but believe that those are human remains, or vice versa?

I'm not sold on that being a skull, but the other bone looks pretty similar to a human hip joint.

I believe that it was a skull but maybe not all of it.......like maybe parts were missing at the bottom....JMO

That could be.  It's just hard to tell from this pic.  I still want to know why no one, even Tim Miller and Dateline, did not question the thumbs down if this image was taken 60 seconds after that thumbs down.  I think that is one of the reasons why I have been skeptical about what we are seeing with that pic.

[hotping]

Long time no see my old Monkey friends!  What's cook'in?

I Anidac - good to see you.  Too much to explain.  If you haven't been following along then I'm affraid you are on your own.

Believe it or not I continue to read in the cage at least a few times each week.  I have missed about 6 days though as Santa delivered a brand new baby grandson to our house last week.  The news about Peaches is what prompted me to actually log in and post this evening.  Now I am trying to hunt down this letter everyone is talking about tonight.

Hope the holiday season finds most of my old Monkey friends in good spirits!

Congratulations on the New Grandson....I Also Got A New Grandson for Christmas....and what a Gift It Is...... 

Congratulations back at 'ya!  This makes number 3 for us.

Well, folks, I hate to brag.  But, as a grandparent it is my duty.  Last Christmas we got twin boys to make a total of three.  This was a very busy Christmas thus year because all three were very mobile!

Congrats to both of you on your wonderful family additions!

Thank You! I bet They were Very Lively this year especially if They are walking...Oh what Fun! 

[Magnolia]

Just a thought, Kyle is the one who suggested the size of the trap.  We really don't know for sure the exact size except from what he has said.

Well...then when do we decide what things to believe?  Do we discard the cage measurments, but believe that those are human remains, or vice versa?

I'm not sold on that being a skull, but the other bone looks pretty similar to a human hip joint.

I believe that it was a skull but maybe not all of it.......like maybe parts were missing at the bottom....JMO

That could be.  It's just hard to tell from this pic.  I still want to know why no one, even Tim Miller and Dateline, did not question the thumbs down if this image was taken 60 seconds after that thumbs down.  I think that is one of the reasons why I have been skeptical about what we are seeing with that pic.

How do you know they did not question the thumbs down?
What could they do if they did?
They were not professional divers and had to take the word
of Tim Trahan.

[texasmom]

Just a thought, Kyle is the one who suggested the size of the trap.  We really don't know for sure the exact size except from what he has said.

Well...then when do we decide what things to believe?  Do we discard the cage measurments, but believe that those are human remains, or vice versa?

I'm not sold on that being a skull, but the other bone looks pretty similar to a human hip joint.

I believe that it was a skull but maybe not all of it.......like maybe parts were missing at the bottom....JMO

That could be.  It's just hard to tell from this pic.  I still want to know why no one, even Tim Miller and Dateline, did not question the thumbs down if this image was taken 60 seconds after that thumbs down.  I think that is one of the reasons why I have been skeptical about what we are seeing with that pic.

I think it's quite possible that Tim Miller did question it.  I was told several months ago that there was a disagreement on the boat between Tim Miller and John Silvetti.  I never knew exactly when the disagreement happened, but believe that it did.  Some have said that the Dateline crew and Tim Miller left after the Dec 30th dive; could the disagreement have been on or around this date and caused by Tim Miller asking questions?  I think maybe so.  But I have no information to prove it one way or the other.

[Tamikosmom]

GOOD NIGHT MONKEYS!!!  GOOD NIGHT ZOOKEEPERS!!!

I am gone for the evening.

It has been a very eventful day on the Natalee Holloway forum.

Thank you Kermit, jen and wingnut. 

Janet
4:55 PM PT

[truthseeker2]

Just a thought, Kyle is the one who suggested the size of the trap.  We really don't know for sure the exact size except from what he has said.

Well...then when do we decide what things to believe?  Do we discard the cage measurments, but believe that those are human remains, or vice versa?

I'm not sold on that being a skull, but the other bone looks pretty similar to a human hip joint.

I believe that it was a skull but maybe not all of it.......like maybe parts were missing at the bottom....JMO

That could be.  It's just hard to tell from this pic.  I still want to know why no one, even Tim Miller and Dateline, did not question the thumbs down if this image was taken 60 seconds after that thumbs down.  I think that is one of the reasons why I have been skeptical about what we are seeing with that pic.

How do you know they did not question the thumbs down?
What could they do if they did?
They were not professional divers and had to take the word
of Tim Trahan.

I would expect with all the revelations made by Kyle he would have at least mentioned that to bolster his suspicions.  Also, on Dateline, Trahan comes out of the water and on to the boat and says "Nothing" with people all around.  No one questioned it.  Tim Miller was speaking to Dateline after that and he didn't say anything about seeing anything on the monitor at that moment.  So what did it look like to them?  I know, it's a rhetorical question and no one here would be able to answer, but it's still on my mind as a huge question.

[texasmom]

GOOD NIGHT MONKEYS!!!  GOOD NIGHT ZOOKEEPERS!!!

I am gone for the evening.

It has been a very eventful day on the Natalee Holloway forum.

Thank you Kermit, jen and wingnut. 

Janet
4:55 PM PT

Goodnight Janet!  Yes, a very eventful day; have a great evening!

 

[Keepthefaith]

Just a thought, Kyle is the one who suggested the size of the trap.  We really don't know for sure the exact size except from what he has said.

Well...then when do we decide what things to believe?  Do we discard the cage measurments, but believe that those are human remains, or vice versa?

I'm not sold on that being a skull, but the other bone looks pretty similar to a human hip joint.

I believe that it was a skull but maybe not all of it.......like maybe parts were missing at the bottom....JMO

That could be.  It's just hard to tell from this pic.  I still want to know why no one, even Tim Miller and Dateline, did not question the thumbs down if this image was taken 60 seconds after that thumbs down.  I think that is one of the reasons why I have been skeptical about what we are seeing with that pic.

How do you know they did not question the thumbs down?
What could they do if they did?
They were not professional divers and had to take the word
of Tim Trahan.

I would expect with all the revelations made by Kyle he would have at least mentioned that to bolster his suspicions.  Also, on Dateline, Trahan comes out of the water and on to the boat and says "Nothing" with people all around.  No one questioned it.  Tim Miller was speaking to Dateline after that and he didn't say anything about seeing anything on the monitor at that moment.  So what did it look like to them?  I know, it's a rhetorical question and no one here would be able to answer, but it's still on my mind as a huge question.

We discussed this before Truthseeker2 regarding Tim M.If you watch Tim in the video on dateline he say's "Bullshit" to the signal.Someone is probably quicker then i in retrieving that specific video!

[Keepthefaith]

GOOD NIGHT MONKEYS!!!  GOOD NIGHT ZOOKEEPERS!!!

I am gone for the evening.

It has been a very eventful day on the Natalee Holloway forum.

Thank you Kermit, jen and wingnut. 

Janet
4:55 PM PT

The Fraser Valley Sleeps???

[San]

Hello Monekys,

Thank you Klaas for approving my membership.

I am the former Natalee's Freebirds Administrator.

To answer ldstlou - NO, I am not disgruntled.  No, I am no longer a member at that forum.  I resigned today.

That is an outstanding group of people, with hearts of gold.  I admire and respect each and every one of them.

It was merely time for me to move on.  I felt that we had achieved all we could there over the past 2 1/2 years, and all of the Freebirds - former and current - will always be in my heart.

Kermit did the right thing by making this information public at Beth Holloway's request (albeit 2 months after she asked us to do so thanks to the need to avoid litigation).

I just simply couldn't stand by any longer and watch the continued confusion perpetrated by two particular posters here.  Whether it's been unintentional or deliberate - it really needs to stop now.

Wingnut made an excellent point - and I feel it's one that's been largely overlooked - pressure needs to be applied to get the answers as to what happened to the human remains Aruba recovered from that fishing cage.

Monkeys - you all are stellar at banding together and getting action.

The FBI can only do so much - with their limited jurisdiction.  They can speak to and subpoena from the members of the Persistence their statements and video to ascertain what was found.

Then it becomes an international issue.  Our State Department is where the encouragement is needed - to put pressure on the Hague to get to the bottom of this.

But something must be done.  Natalee's family has been through enough, and that they (and Natalee) were treated so shabbily by the one resource they felt they could trust is utterly heart wrenching.

Thank you Monkeys for allowing me to be here - let's help Natalee's family get some justice!

I am far behind and I wanted to say I agree.

Also, welcome jen3560 and Wingnut.

Hi Kermit nice to see you back.

[wingnut]

Just a thought, Kyle is the one who suggested the size of the trap.  We really don't know for sure the exact size except from what he has said.

Well...then when do we decide what things to believe?  Do we discard the cage measurments, but believe that those are human remains, or vice versa?

I'm not sold on that being a skull, but the other bone looks pretty similar to a human hip joint.

I believe that it was a skull but maybe not all of it.......like maybe parts were missing at the bottom....JMO

That could be.  It's just hard to tell from this pic.  I still want to know why no one, even Tim Miller and Dateline, did not question the thumbs down if this image was taken 60 seconds after that thumbs down.  I think that is one of the reasons why I have been skeptical about what we are seeing with that pic.

IIRC, there was to be a "thumbs up" if immediately recognizable as Natalee.  A "thumbs down" if not.  So, based on what we (and they) have seen, a "thumbs down" WAS APPROPRIATE.