Natalee Case Discussion #787 12/24/08 - 12/31/08

[texasmom]

DANA PRETZER - YEAR END SPECIAL - IN 3 MINUTES

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Thanks Klaas!   

[truthseeker2]

What are the biggest Money-producing industries on Aruba?Tourism,Importing/exporting,oil,casinos(laundering money),Banks(laundering money).Who owns them?

Well, the above board money making industry would be tourism.  (Looks like their decision to protect the Sloots isn't working out very well for that industry)  I think aloe export is another big industry.  The family that runs/owns the biggest, and maybe only, share of that is named Posner.  IIRC.  I think they are a Jewish family not related to Michael Posner.  But, I am not certain about that part.

The casino business has to be big as well.  They provide a lot of jobs, but rely on tourists for the legal profits as well as any other type of 'profit' that is to be had.  Who owns those?  Different people.  Some Americans have interests in the hotels and casinos, don't they?

The retail and restaurant businesses would be tied to tourism as well.

Everything else would be 'underground' types of businesses.  Money laundering, porn, drugs, etc. I don't know who controls that on Aruba anymore than I know who runs that type of stuff here in the U.S.

[Magnolia]

I would expect with all the revelations made by Kyle he would have at least mentioned that to bolster his suspicions.  Also, on Dateline, Trahan comes out of the water and on to the boat and says "Nothing" with people all around.  No one questioned it.  Tim Miller was speaking to Dateline after that and he didn't say anything about seeing anything on the monitor at that moment.  So what did it look like to them?  I know, it's a rhetorical question and no one here would be able to answer, but it's still on my mind as a huge question.

We discussed this before Truthseeker2 regarding Tim M.If you watch Tim in the video on dateline he say's "Bullshit" to the signal.Someone is probably quicker then i in retrieving that specific video!

I know.  But, that's it?  Not, wait just a minute...look at that...or, what the h3ll is that right there?  If I thought I was looking at possible human remains , but someone else dismissed it so quickly I think I would have to push the issue just a bit more.  Especially with an American film crew right there to capture it.  So, I have to wonder what that image looked like on that monitor at that very moment.  And has Tim M. come out since then to say that he still believes those were human remains?   I just don't know.

Surely you know that the Dateline footage was edited to fit their program.
We do not know what was said or what was contested.

[truthseeker2]

I would expect with all the revelations made by Kyle he would have at least mentioned that to bolster his suspicions.  Also, on Dateline, Trahan comes out of the water and on to the boat and says "Nothing" with people all around.  No one questioned it.  Tim Miller was speaking to Dateline after that and he didn't say anything about seeing anything on the monitor at that moment.  So what did it look like to them?  I know, it's a rhetorical question and no one here would be able to answer, but it's still on my mind as a huge question.

We discussed this before Truthseeker2 regarding Tim M.If you watch Tim in the video on dateline he say's "Bullshit" to the signal.Someone is probably quicker then i in retrieving that specific video!

I know.  But, that's it?  Not, wait just a minute...look at that...or, what the h3ll is that right there?  If I thought I was looking at possible human remains , but someone else dismissed it so quickly I think I would have to push the issue just a bit more.  Especially with an American film crew right there to capture it.  So, I have to wonder what that image looked like on that monitor at that very moment.  And has Tim M. come out since then to say that he still believes those were human remains?   I just don't know.

Surely you know that the Dateline footage was edited to fit their program.
We do not know what was said or what was contested.

Yes, of course, I do undersand that.  But when I think of the possibility of maybe the biggest story of the year being captured live by a network film crew, and the image on the monitor may not appear to warrant a thumbs down...I just let it go?  I don't show it?  I don't know...it still isn't making sense to this analytical mind.

If Kyle does come back here maybe he can help me understand what they were seeing at that very moment on that monitor.

[Keepthefaith]

When was the last time Kyle was on the Freebird's site??Wingnut?If you can answer..I don't think he's typing anything anymore for a good reason!

[ldstlou]

When was the last time Kyle was on the Freebird's site??Wingnut?If you can answer..I don't think he's typing anything anymore for a good reason!

He is still typing. he adressed jen's letter line by line and e-mailed it to both Jug and I tonight. I am satisfied with his answers.

[klaasend]

On Dana - Red talking about Beth Holloway right now.

Red says that Beth is just as much hurt and driven today as she was back in 2005.  The pain you see on her face and comments she makes, it's amazing to Red that Beth still has that inner drive.  Beth will not stop her quest for justice. 

[Magnolia]

I would expect with all the revelations made by Kyle he would have at least mentioned that to bolster his suspicions.  Also, on Dateline, Trahan comes out of the water and on to the boat and says "Nothing" with people all around.  No one questioned it.  Tim Miller was speaking to Dateline after that and he didn't say anything about seeing anything on the monitor at that moment.  So what did it look like to them?  I know, it's a rhetorical question and no one here would be able to answer, but it's still on my mind as a huge question.

We discussed this before Truthseeker2 regarding Tim M.If you watch Tim in the video on dateline he say's "Bullshit" to the signal.Someone is probably quicker then i in retrieving that specific video!

I know.  But, that's it?  Not, wait just a minute...look at that...or, what the h3ll is that right there?  If I thought I was looking at possible human remains , but someone else dismissed it so quickly I think I would have to push the issue just a bit more.  Especially with an American film crew right there to capture it.  So, I have to wonder what that image looked like on that monitor at that very moment.  And has Tim M. come out since then to say that he still believes those were human remains?   I just don't know.

Surely you know that the Dateline footage was edited to fit their program.
We do not know what was said or what was contested.

Yes, of course, I do undersand that.  But when I think of the possibility of maybe the biggest story of the year being captured live by a network film crew, and the image on the monitor may not appear to warrant a thumbs down...I just let it go?  I don't show it?  I don't know...it still isn't making sense to this analytical mind.

If Kyle does come back here maybe he can help me understand what they were seeing at that very moment on that monitor.

Maybe you should shoot off an email to Kyle, like ldstlou suggested.
I am sure he would explain it to you and your analytical mind

[klaasend]

Dana asks Red:  how does Red feel about the media coverage of the Holloway case in 2008?

RED:  One of the interresting things that happened in 2008, it was JVDS that brought the story back into the media's attention twice in 2008.  One of the interresting things was the swing of public opinion even with those that were defending Joran turned against him.

[truthseeker2]

When was the last time Kyle was on the Freebird's site??Wingnut?If you can answer..I don't think he's typing anything anymore for a good reason!

He is still typing. he adressed jen's letter line by line and e-mailed it to both Jug and I tonight. I am satisfied with his answers.

Any chance you might ask him about the ROV image at 15:40 on 12/30 and what that looked like to them on the monitors there on the Persistence?  I just don't understand how a thumbs down signal at 15:39 was accepted if that is what they were looking at.

[truthseeker2]

I would expect with all the revelations made by Kyle he would have at least mentioned that to bolster his suspicions.  Also, on Dateline, Trahan comes out of the water and on to the boat and says "Nothing" with people all around.  No one questioned it.  Tim Miller was speaking to Dateline after that and he didn't say anything about seeing anything on the monitor at that moment.  So what did it look like to them?  I know, it's a rhetorical question and no one here would be able to answer, but it's still on my mind as a huge question.

We discussed this before Truthseeker2 regarding Tim M.If you watch Tim in the video on dateline he say's "Bullshit" to the signal.Someone is probably quicker then i in retrieving that specific video!

I know.  But, that's it?  Not, wait just a minute...look at that...or, what the h3ll is that right there?  If I thought I was looking at possible human remains , but someone else dismissed it so quickly I think I would have to push the issue just a bit more.  Especially with an American film crew right there to capture it.  So, I have to wonder what that image looked like on that monitor at that very moment.  And has Tim M. come out since then to say that he still believes those were human remains?   I just don't know.

Surely you know that the Dateline footage was edited to fit their program.
We do not know what was said or what was contested.

Yes, of course, I do undersand that.  But when I think of the possibility of maybe the biggest story of the year being captured live by a network film crew, and the image on the monitor may not appear to warrant a thumbs down...I just let it go?  I don't show it?  I don't know...it still isn't making sense to this analytical mind.

If Kyle does come back here maybe he can help me understand what they were seeing at that very moment on that monitor.

Maybe you should shoot off an email to Kyle, like ldstlou suggested.
I am sure he would explain it to you and your analytical mind

Uh...I do not have direct, or indirect for that matter, communication with Kyle.  never have.  Not even when he posted here.

[wingnut]

When was the last time Kyle was on the Freebird's site??Wingnut?If you can answer..I don't think he's typing anything anymore for a good reason!

It has been awhile since he was banned.  I'm sorry, don't remember exactly when.

[Keepthefaith]

When was the last time Kyle was on the Freebird's site??Wingnut?If you can answer..I don't think he's typing anything anymore for a good reason!

He is still typing. he adressed jen's letter line by line and e-mailed it to both Jug and I tonight. I am satisfied with his answers.

Ldstlou.Yes or No.Did Kyle turn over all information before Kermit?

[Keepthefaith]

When was the last time Kyle was on the Freebird's site??Wingnut?If you can answer..I don't think he's typing anything anymore for a good reason!

It has been awhile since he was banned.  I'm sorry, don't remember exactly when.

So he was Banned!Thanx.Did he mislead those at the Freebird's as well as us here at the Monkey Cage?

[Keepthefaith]

When was the last time Kyle was on the Freebird's site??Wingnut?If you can answer..I don't think he's typing anything anymore for a good reason!

He is still typing. he adressed jen's letter line by line and e-mailed it to both Jug and I tonight. I am satisfied with his answers.

Ldstlou.Yes or No.Did Kyle turn over all information before Kermit?

That is to the FBI,and or the Holloway family?

[wingnut]

When was the last time Kyle was on the Freebird's site??Wingnut?If you can answer..I don't think he's typing anything anymore for a good reason!

It has been awhile since he was banned.  I'm sorry, don't remember exactly when.

So he was Banned!Thanx.Did he mislead those at the Freebird's as well as us here at the Monkey Cage?

We received legal advice to break contact with him.  And yes - he did mislead us. 

[Keepthefaith]

When was the last time Kyle was on the Freebird's site??Wingnut?If you can answer..I don't think he's typing anything anymore for a good reason!

It has been awhile since he was banned.  I'm sorry, don't remember exactly when.

So he was Banned!Thanx.Did he mislead those at the Freebird's as well as us here at the Monkey Cage?

We received legal advice to break contact with him.  And yes - he did mislead us. 

Thank you!It's good to know that.I'm sure when Kermit comes back it will become even clearer as to why ldstlou is so staunchly defending Kyle?Am i correct in saying that Kyle(OE) did not turn pertinent information over to the Holloway family,and or the FBI in a timely manner as Kermit has said?If True,which i believe it to be.Why defend that?Guess i'll here what Kermit has to say....

[wingnut]

When was the last time Kyle was on the Freebird's site??Wingnut?If you can answer..I don't think he's typing anything anymore for a good reason!

It has been awhile since he was banned.  I'm sorry, don't remember exactly when.

So he was Banned!Thanx.Did he mislead those at the Freebird's as well as us here at the Monkey Cage?

We received legal advice to break contact with him.  And yes - he did mislead us. 

Thank you!It's good to know that.I'm sure when Kermit comes back it will become even clearer as to why ldstlou is so staunchly defending Kyle?Am i correct in saying that Kyle(OE) did not turn pertinent information over to the Holloway family,and or the FBI in a timely manner as Kermit has said?If True,which i believe it to be.Why defend that?Guess i'll here what Kermit has to say....

I would think it very easy for lsdstlou to verify with Jug whether Kyle contacted them or not.  I am guessing that lsdstlou has an inside track to Jug? 

[truthseeker2]

This is a great show Dana is doing tonight.  He and Red and Robin have covered a lot in this one hour.

[Keepthefaith]

When was the last time Kyle was on the Freebird's site??Wingnut?If you can answer..I don't think he's typing anything anymore for a good reason!

It has been awhile since he was banned.  I'm sorry, don't remember exactly when.

So he was Banned!Thanx.Did he mislead those at the Freebird's as well as us here at the Monkey Cage?

We received legal advice to break contact with him.  And yes - he did mislead us. 

Thank you!It's good to know that.I'm sure when Kermit comes back it will become even clearer as to why ldstlou is so staunchly defending Kyle?Am i correct in saying that Kyle(OE) did not turn pertinent information over to the Holloway family,and or the FBI in a timely manner as Kermit has said?If True,which i believe it to be.Why defend that?Guess i'll here what Kermit has to say....

I would think it very easy for lsdstlou to verify with Jug whether Kyle contacted them or not.  I am guessing that lsdstlou has an inside track to Jug? 

That would lead me to believe that Jug would be aware that Kyle was banned from Freebirds due to Legal reasons?If Jug is aware that he mislead many people,as well as didn't turn this information in a timely manner what is the purpose to defend him in regards to the turning over of pertinent information for ldstlou??It just doesn't make sense to me..