Natalee Case Discussion #787 12/24/08 - 12/31/08

[Artcolley]

The correct way to weigh yourself



I can't believe I was doing it wrong all these years.

WE MUST SPREAD THE WORD.

OH, So THAT is how its done! I like that, maybe I can become friends with my scale again 

[Tamikosmom]

WHO IS DEFENDING KYLE AND CAPS?/b]

Now, if we remember Kathy Drenga (Hotshot)  - she is the one that went to Aruba with BestBuddy & uploaded the Aru-bay videos to her website and the photos of the Lions Den. THEN she is the one that felt Natalee was buried in the cometary. THEN she thought she was in the BAG that Blonde found and that photo was seen in National Enquirer. THEN Kathy Drenga (Hotshot) started talking with Kyle and also CAPS.

She is in the bag, and if you cant see that, i am sorry.  it is plain as day. joran himself says  he put her in the  mangroves, yeah after putting her  in a bag....Shes not been in only one place, we all know that.  And yes i did send CAPS to john,  what of it?

 

[MuffyBee]

I'm looking forward to what Kermit has to share tomm.  Should be interesting.

I'm just catching up again, but I think Kermit has already told us. Seems Caps/Silvetti were plotting to take some of the "cage" evidence and plant it in the pond. That way the cage contents could go on being undetected.

Wreck, I agree. But why? Was it to give some comfort to Beth, Dave, family (commendable on face value) but what may have been in the cage that could not be exposed? Was it a simple way for aruba to save face w/o given up secrets? Are the sloots worth all this this effort for coverup? Whgats in it for CAPS/Silvetti? Rhetorical I know...just thoughts...

I'm not Wreck, but those are five good questions/thoughts you have just posted, billb.  "Why"  indeed. 

[wreck]

I'm looking forward to what Kermit has to share tomm.  Should be interesting.

I'm just catching up again, but I think Kermit has already told us. Seems Caps/Silvetti were plotting to take some of the "cage" evidence and plant it in the pond. That way the cage contents could go on being undetected.

Wreck, I agree. But why? Was it to give some comfort to Beth, Dave, family (commendable on face value) but what may have been in the cage that could not be exposed? Was it a simple way for aruba to save face w/o given up secrets? Are the sloots worth all this this effort for coverup? Whgats in it for CAPS/Silvetti? Rhetorical I know...just thoughts...

I'm not Wreck, but those are five good questions/thoughts you have just posted, billb.  "Why"  indeed. 

Sorry I missed your post to me -- but Muffy said the same thing I would say!

[crazybabyborg]

I don't have anything against anyone who wanted to decipher the Shango. Different Strokes, you know. I just could never do it.

The same thing has always bothered me about Shango as does anything and anyone who does not just spit it out when it comes to achieving justice for victims, relief for the families, and resolution and accountability for crimes committed. IMO, If you have information relating to any of those things, then common decency, if for no other reason, should dictate that you come forward and speak plainly.

To make a game, secret, challenge, out of information relevent to any of those things is cruel to those who are hurting the most, and it really hacks me off.


HI GUYS!!!   

[truthseeker2]

My opinion --- several monkeys here have been conned. Most of them were "shango" enthusiasts.

I read there, and tried to contribute occasionally, but never had a grasp on any of it.  I tried, but didn't get there.  I guess it gave me additonal info to base my own opinions on without emailing and calling Tom, Dick and Harry plus Natalee's family, friends, OE, etc.  It's not me...jmho

I am a Shango enthusiast, but I have not been conned, even though some would say Shango in itself is a con.  I have my own views of the meaning of the riddle.  So far, I seem to be alone in my interpretation.  But, hey, it ain't easy being me anyway.

[wreck]

I don't have anything against anyone who wanted to decipher the Shango. Different Strokes, you know. I just could never do it.

The same thing has always bothered me about Shango as does anything and anyone who does not just spit it out when it comes to achieving justice for victims, relief for the families, and resolution and accountability for crimes committed. IMO, If you have information relating to any of those things, then common decency, if for no other reason, should dictate that you come forward and speak plainly.

To make a game, secret, challenge, out of information relevent to any of those things is cruel to those who are hurting the most, and it really hacks me off.


HI GUYS!!!   

ABSOLUTELY!! "Shango" could have put an end to this 3++ years ago. It seemed to me "Shango" was being glorified when in all reality it was he who should have been cussed most!

[Keepthefaith]

My opinion --- several monkeys here have been conned. Most of them were "shango" enthusiasts.

I read there, and tried to contribute occasionally, but never had a grasp on any of it.  I tried, but didn't get there.  I guess it gave me additonal info to base my own opinions on without emailing and calling Tom, Dick and Harry plus Natalee's family, friends, OE, etc.  It's not me...jmho

I am a Shango enthusiast, but I have not been conned, even though some would say Shango in itself is a con.  I have my own views of the meaning of the riddle.  So far, I seem to be alone in my interpretation.  But, hey, it ain't easy being me anyway.

Do what ya do Truthseeker2.Who knows where your questions may take any of us.Whether we agree or disagree.that's what were here for.I still think if there was a way to really research the Power structure in Aruba and follow the money and how Paulus fits into that would be interesting!

[truthseeker2]

My opinion --- several monkeys here have been conned. Most of them were "shango" enthusiasts.

I read there, and tried to contribute occasionally, but never had a grasp on any of it.  I tried, but didn't get there.  I guess it gave me additonal info to base my own opinions on without emailing and calling Tom, Dick and Harry plus Natalee's family, friends, OE, etc.  It's not me...jmho

I am a Shango enthusiast, but I have not been conned, even though some would say Shango in itself is a con.  I have my own views of the meaning of the riddle.  So far, I seem to be alone in my interpretation.  But, hey, it ain't easy being me anyway.

Do what ya do Truthseeker2.Who knows where your questions may take any of us.Whether we agree or disagree.that's what were here for.I still think if there was a way to really research the Power structure in Aruba and follow the money and how Paulus fits into that would be interesting!

Indeed.  Shango offered a picture of the power of Aruba long before we really understood what we see today.  Did he really know what happened to Natalee?  I don't know.  But when the news is slow...I always go back to Shango.

[Tamikosmom]

To clarify

1.  Hotshot's real life name has been out there since almost the beginning of the case, mostly because she chose to do interviews and "put herself" out there.  Hotshots real life name is common knowledge to everyone that has followed this case.

2.  Kermit's name is not common knowledge, in fact, until Hotshot posted it I didn't know what it was.  That is why it's not ok to post Kermit's real life name.

3.  I have no idea where Kermit lives and do not correspond with Kermit outside this forum with the exception of one or two recent emails pertaining to the Kyle issue.  Never before. 

4.  I don't appreciate people spreading false rumors about me or others at SM. 

5.  SM is a discussion forum.  We are not beholden to anyone and take orders from no one.  The idea is to discuss different pieces of evidence and do our best to facilitate justice in missing persons cases.

6.  I don't agree with everything posted at SM and I don't expect people to always agree with me.  Just because it's posted does not mean everyone at SM feels the same. 


I could go on and on but why bother.  Nobody listens anyway, their egos get in the way.

I'm listening.

Hugs

Janet

[MuffyBee]

snip I still think if there was a way to really research the Power structure in Aruba and follow the money and how Paulus fits into that would be interesting!

 

Yes, KeepTheFaith, I think it would be beyond interesting.  I would say it would be quite revealing.

[crazybabyborg]

I don't have anything against anyone who wanted to decipher the Shango. Different Strokes, you know. I just could never do it.

The same thing has always bothered me about Shango as does anything and anyone who does not just spit it out when it comes to achieving justice for victims, relief for the families, and resolution and accountability for crimes committed. IMO, If you have information relating to any of those things, then common decency, if for no other reason, should dictate that you come forward and speak plainly.

To make a game, secret, challenge, out of information relevent to any of those things is cruel to those who are hurting the most, and it really hacks me off.


HI GUYS!!!   

ABSOLUTELY!! "Shango" could have put an end to this 3++ years ago. It seemed to me "Shango" was being glorified when in all reality it was he who should have been cussed most!

I don't know what the legal definition of Obstruction of Justice is, but it would seem to me that if you have information you are witholding related to the perpetration of a crime, it should qualify as Obstruction of Justice, and it's a crime unto itself for a good reason.

[Keepthefaith]

snip I still think if there was a way to really research the Power structure in Aruba and follow the money and how Paulus fits into that would be interesting!

 

Yes, KeepTheFaith, I think it would be beyond interesting.  I would say it would be quite revealing.

This is to Truthseeker2 as well.How do you do that on Aruba?Is Peter R Devries  not investigating the corruption still?Aruba is it's own entity..How would we begin to even attempt to put a Power Tree together and follow the money?

[truthseeker2]

I don't have anything against anyone who wanted to decipher the Shango. Different Strokes, you know. I just could never do it.

The same thing has always bothered me about Shango as does anything and anyone who does not just spit it out when it comes to achieving justice for victims, relief for the families, and resolution and accountability for crimes committed. IMO, If you have information relating to any of those things, then common decency, if for no other reason, should dictate that you come forward and speak plainly.

To make a game, secret, challenge, out of information relevent to any of those things is cruel to those who are hurting the most, and it really hacks me off.


HI GUYS!!!   

ABSOLUTELY!! "Shango" could have put an end to this 3++ years ago. It seemed to me "Shango" was being glorified when in all reality it was he who should have been cussed most!

I don't know what the legal definition of Obstruction of Justice is, but it would seem to me that if you have information you are witholding related to the perpetration of a crime, it should qualify as Obstruction of Justice, and it's a crime unto itself for a good reason.

It's no doubt a moral obligation, but in Aruba I doubt it is a crime.  They will just find a way to classify you as a suspect so that you are expected to lie, so they don't believe anything you say.

[2NJSons_Mom]

G'nite all.  See you later.

[Tamikosmom]

The correct way to weigh yourself



I can't believe I was doing it wrong all these years.

WE MUST SPREAD THE WORD.

 

[Keepthefaith]

To Klaas.Turkey melt and Taters.I work open to close at one of the family stores on Tuesday and friday's.Get tired of eating the food around the store so don't eat till i get home.That's how i have the grace to be on The forum so often.Run my own show and follow the Monkey's...

[MuffyBee]

Good night 2NJ

[BUCKSHOT]

My opinion --- several monkeys here have been conned. Most of them were "shango" enthusiasts.

yah!

and when the un-conned spoke up
we got the cold shoulder
and flimsy reassurances that those
"in the know" knew more/knew all

hah!

Looking back, posters have come aboard. Seemed to have all the answers. Spoke crypticly, gave vague (yet elaborate) explanations, implied to "be in the know", etc...

Then, they are challenged, and POOF... They disappear. Wonder why? Seems like they serve their purpose, and then vanish into thin air, only to resurface with fresh loads of bullshit.

Facts speak for themselves. Truth is truth. Fiction is fiction.

Does anyone ever get up, walk from their computer, and bang their head against the wall? Sometimes I can't seem to wrap my brain around what is fact and what is fiction.

Was this:
...a contrived plot, full of of drugs, porn videos, secret Lion's Dens, full of Elders, with a subplot of Columbian and Venezuelan druglords, high powered speedboats, casino mobsters. Sprinkle in (various) ponds, chocolate, ants, lighthouses, rock painting crews, Hitler references, mysterious witnesses, etc...

OR

...a group of locals, who spiked a girls drink (as probably done before to "last night" female tourists) seeking to have fun with a disadvantaged and unsuspecting girl. After (unexpected) accidental death, panick ensued and the father (who is known to be trained in the legal profession and has contacts) for advice. Rather than be faced with the negative stigma and bad publicity, a decision was made to dispose of, rather than report, the death. Due to the size and population of the island, and for fear of a black eye to a tourism industry, which masks other money related washing machine industries, close friends (who held prominent positions) went to work and sabotaged the investigation in an attempt to make it simply "go away." When international media descended, and because of lack of experience, they became defensive. Everyone clammed up. Strategies were put in place by high-powered minds to distract, disinform, and disrupt the heat. To this day, they continue to stick to their guns, never giving in to pressure and implications that a cover-up happened.

Is it simple or is it complicated? Ever wonder?

[truthseeker2]

snip I still think if there was a way to really research the Power structure in Aruba and follow the money and how Paulus fits into that would be interesting!

 

Yes, KeepTheFaith, I think it would be beyond interesting.  I would say it would be quite revealing.

This is to Truthseeker2 as well.How do you do that on Aruba?Is Peter R Devries  not investigating the corruption still?Aruba is it's own entity..How would we begin to even attempt to put a Power Tree together and follow the money?

Well, what I have been looking at is the international connections...people associated with Aruba and other countries at the same time.  Some very interesting stuff.  I think Rob has also looked at a lot of this as well.  At this point I cannot find any connection to Paulus with regard to money.  I think he is a stop-gap type of guy.  He heads things off, if you will, using the convaluted legal system in Aruba.  That makes him valuable to some.  I think he is more political than he is industrious.

Some people were looking into Blackmore which is a company that was registered in Aruba on 5/15/05.  Some of the principals in this comapny have some shady backgrounds and have had bank accounts and assest frozen around the world due to drug trafficking.  They are an interesting group to say the least.  How much pull do they have on Aruba...hard to say.  They are certainly low-profile.